the pandemic pits the president -- >> we have dramatically reduced mortality rates, done a great job -- >> -- against reality. >> we're stretched so thin. we're at the point of compromising patient safety. >> plus keeping students safe, now the latest flashpoint. >> open our schools. stop this nonsense. >> we're talking about putting

children, their families and their teachers at risk. >> the economic pitch, joe biden hopes will unify his party. >> donald trump has been singularly focused on the stock market. i'll be laser focused on working families. >> welcome to "inside politics." i'm phil mattingly. john king is off today. a crisis situation this morning in states all across the south and west. the coronavirus is burning through that part of the country. infecting tens of thousands of people every day. the death count here in the united states stands at nearly 135,000 as of this morning. the cdc says we could bury 25,000 more of our fellow americans by the end of the month. here's the math. 33 states seeing their daily case counts up from a week ago. the number of cases serious enough to require hospitalizations has nearly doubled in just the past three weeks. states like arizona, texas, florida, are running low on hospital beds and yet here is

the president. >> we're on track to produce a vaccine in record time and very, very soon. it is going to be announced i believe very, very soon. we have among the lowest mortality rate anywhere in the world. done a great job. whether it is ventilators or anything you want to look at, testing, we test so many people, we have more cases, everybody says we have so many cases, that's because we test so many people. >> that's not true. the case count is rising because the virus is spreading. and the daily death toll is rising as well. republican governors in the hardest sthat hard est states are not afraid to correct the president. >> i think the numbers are going to look worse as we go into next week and we need to make sure there is going to be plenty of hospital beds available in the houston area. >> i think arizona's time of maximum challenge is right now. >> mississippi is in a fight for our lives. >> the american people are weighing in as well.

poll out last week showed two-thirds of americans disapproved of the president's handling of the pandemic. joining me now, insight and analysis, jackie kucinich, the daily beast, harry bacon, 538 and catherine lucy of "the wall street journal." let me take out the wall and look at a couple of states in particular. why you seat dark red in the counties these are areas where % of the residents in the counties have tested positive, florida, arizona, georgia, north carolina you're starting to see a bump as well. what is important about all of these states besides the fact there say significant increase in positive tests? they're also all battleground states. catherine, it starts with you. you talk to the white house pretty regularly in close contact with them. there was a sense a couple of weeks ago, you need to live with it, push through this. have we missed that moment? is there in other option for the white house but to try to address this head on? >> certainly the white house a

few weeks ago and throughout this has been look for where they can turn away from the vir virus, declare there is progress made, focus on economic reopening, they see trying to get economy back on track as the biggest argument for re-election and spikes have imperiled this. the president was in florida on friday and he's trying to figure out ways to get into some of the states, talk about some of the issues, but they have not shifted to the message in terms of a -- a crisis message, he's still trying to argue the u.s. has a handle on this, the cases are rising, we saw his opening remarks, he's talking about testing as one of the reasons we're seeing more of that, it is more complicated than he's saying and it creates a real issue for the president right now because he has a limited amount of time between now and

election day to make his case. they want to show they're making progress on this, they want to focus on the economy, one of the things that we start to talk about a lot this week, reopening schools. they see that as another argument, if schools reopen, that they -- the economy will be boosted by that. they think they are looking for that, might be sympathetic to that. we are seeing them struggle with how to message this, with how to deal with these explosions of cases and politically it creates a lot of headaches. he also has difficulty getting out into these states. can't go to a rally in a state with surging cases with restrictions and rules about gatherings and so he is limited in what to do and how he can do it. >> it is extremely difficult situation from a campaign logistics perspective. i want to get to schools in a minute. joe biden said something this week, you look at the poll numbers, for all the himming and hwaing about what his message

should be and what he should be focused on, it struck me as maybe this is the only message he may need at this point. take a listen. >> after months of doing nothing other than predicting the virus would disappear or maybe drink bleach and you'll be okay, trump has simply given up. he's waved the white flag. he's walked away. his failures come with a terrible human cost and deep economic toll. >> we're going to dig in on the biden campaign a little bit later in the show. it is worth noting the president still holds an advantage on economic numbers and just about every poll that is out right now. is this the only message that democrats need or do they need to expand a little bit given what is going on right now? >> joe biden is a ten-point lead in the average of the polls, 538 does. i'm not sure i can critique his strategy too much. it seems like whatever -- i would say the message he

needs -- i'm not sure he needs a message now. i think people are watching how the president is handling this crisis, they don't like it, he's cited the poll and i've seen a lot of polls showing his approval rating overall is going down, trump's ratings on handling the virus are going down really sharply as well. i think that people are watching what they're seeing and they don't like it. i would note it looks like maybe the president is adjusting himself a little bit, i saw him wear a mask yesterday, that was notable to me. he hasn't done that a lot. and i think that's important as we talk about how to deal with the coronavirus a lot of states, and republican ones now, are trying to get people to wear masks, they're hinting at mandating it, some states are, and one barrier to mask wearing is the president seems to be opposed to that until fairly recently. if he's going to wear a mask some, maybe perhaps not vocally oppose mask wearing, i think

that it maybes it easier for a republican governor to mandate masks or push mask wearing if it doesn't seem like trump is opposed to that. >> you're seeing the video now, the president visiting walter reed medical center last night wearing a mask, bizarre you have to send out a news alert that the president is wearing a mask his administration recommended for months on end but it is good, it is what the medical professionals are asking. perhaps this has a wide ranging effect you see them move heavy on this issue as well. i want to get to the issue of education. you talk about the politization of what is going on now, mask wearing, shutdowns, whatever it is, this has become politicized. this is not a political issue. if you want the economy to reopen if you want things to function in this country, kids have to go back to school for parents to be able -- i understand the president's perspective on this, very much it needs to reopen, reopen now, and teachers saying we need safety. how do you decouple this from

the politics and actually reach a place, a bipartisan place where the resources are there to reopen schools in the full, given what's going on now? >> in normal times the answer would be listen to the medical professionals and the cdc. but the president found himself at odds with his own cdc's recommendations about the reopening of schools. last week. and they decided not to change them and, you know, keep on with what they were messaging to schools. the president has fixated on this because they the campaign has polling that this plays well with the suburban women that are leaving the trump campaign or leaving -- supporting trump in droves. however, i don't know how you square that with threatening to pull federal funding from schools that don't comply with the president saying everything needs to reopen. balancing safety and kids going back is, you know, the most important thing, i think, to suburban moms and parents.

also noted the president doesn't really have the authority to do that, we should say that. his push to have this done quickly is at odds with pretty much everyone else, governors, scientists saying that we need to do this in steps to make sure everyone is safe. >> it is complicated. it is hard. that means people need to get together and figure this out, which seems to be something we're incapable of at times in this country. i want to close with this, the president granting clemency to one of his top allies and friends for a-lo long period of time. they put together a californcul, fox news, supporters, whether it was a donor, whether a person happened to know kim kardashian west, i guess when it happened, it is, like, here, we knew this was coming and then you think

about it like, man, this is wild, right? if any other president fill in the blank, what was your sense of this whole thing as it played out? >> certainly the president has focused his clemency acts on people with personal connections in some way or personal appeal made to them. this one is notable because it is not just that roger stone was a personal friend and adviser, but he was directly connected to an investigation of the president's campaign. it was directly connected to the president. while i don't think it was a huge surprise to a lot of people this was coming, the president had been signaling it in ways, stone was signaling it, it still is the politics of the moment are intentionally very damaging. obviously this raises questions again about his power, is he undermining law, and some

republicans did over the weekend, and it comes as he is down in the polls, he's struggling to move his campaign, trying to land on a message that targets joe biden, brings back some of the voters that have really moved away between -- and racial climate and so it is a really tough moment for the president. >> it is -- i don't know what the upiside is other than rewarding loyalty. we're going to get back to you guys in a little bit. up next with the state running low on hospital beds, arizona's covid crisis may be the most dire in the country. we'll talk with an er doctor at ground zero with that outbreak.

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doctors and local officials across the country are scrambling to contain the spread of coronavirus, the u.s. reported more than 60,000 new cases yet again yesterday. in the past week, at least 22 states saw their highest daily counts since the pandemic began. arizona is seeing the most cases per capita in the country. its daily case count skyrocketed nearly 900%. hospitalizations, those have jumped nearly 380%. that increase is stretching the state's hospital systems to its limit. 90% of arizona's icu beds are in use, leaving fewer than 200 available in the state. message from local leadership is clear. arizona needs help. >> our medical professionals are already feeling exhausted, asking for reinforcements and tell me the worst is yet to come. phoenix is literally the per

capita hot spot, we need our federal government to partner with us, our medical professionals don't have the resources they need and so they are being asked to make difficult decisions. >> the doctor joins us live, an emergency physician in phoenix and dr. megan ranney with brown university in rhode island. you're on the ground in arizona, in a large hospital system, tell me what you're seeing right now at this moment as you go to work every day. >> yes, thank you for having us. almost feels like the new normal, which is not a good new normal to have. i've been saying for a couple of weeks now that our positivity rate, the amount of tests that come back positive is to high, so hard to get a negative test, it is a harbinger of bad things to come. i was hopeful it was anecdotal. i don't want to use one hospital's data to speak for the state, but the state's data

caught up. we're the highest positivity rate in the whole country. we have the most cases per capita in the country by far in the world. as was just mentioned. and we're getting lots of patients coming to the emergency department and running out of beds already. and, remember, the sick people don't get sick until a week or two after they get diagnosed with coronavirus. that's why we're concerned, what is it going to look like in a week or two, that's concerning to us. >> on that point, i want to play something the president said and ask you, you're on the ground kind of -- what you're seeing, take a listen to what the president said about cases and the actual ability to get better. >> they talk about cases, all the time, cases. and those cases get better, most cases and almost -- literally in most cases they automatically cure. they automatically get better. >> there is asymptomatic cases, can't necessarily be sure what the president is trying to go for, what he's referencing there. when you see patients in the

emergency room, this process, you talk about weeks before it really starts to bite to some disagre degree, what is the process of going through the coronavirus if you have to be admitted to the emergency room? >> you know, it is funny, seems like there is a large chunk of the country that doesn't know what raliterally means. there is some younger people getting sick now. for one, we have been taking care of young sick patients for a long, long time. we have seen them come in very sick. on top of that, it can spread easily to the elderly. young people spread to other young people, they spread it to elderly, immunocompromised and those patients develop a cough, fever, shortness of breath, that's what they look like initially. the sickest patients i see are the ones who knew they had covid, five days agone, t s s s

ago, they're struggling to breathe, they're hypoxic. these are scary, scary things to be happening. i don't know why we decided for a significant chunk of america gets sick and dies, they're that they're getting better, it is a preposterous thought. >> we talked about this last week, i want to ask again. the availability of ppe, the availability of supplies, things the country is suppose to be building a mass reservoir over over the course of the last three months. you know a lot about this. where is the country right now on the availability of actually having the equipment to deal with what is happening now? >> phil, in these hot spots across the country, folks are literally running out. and for those of us working on and talking about this pandemic since the beginning, particularly those of us in new england, it is just heartrending to see our colleagues in arizona

and texas and florida in the same situation that we were in, in march and april. they're running out of masks, gowns and gloves, they are running out of beds, they are running out of other essential equipment and critically important medications that are used to sedate and take way from the pain from the patients, this is all so predictable, we should have been prepared for it back in april, fine, we missed the boat there. we should have been building up stocks to be ready for it now and even more so to be ready for what is inevitably going to come in the fall. it is heart rending to see ourselves in this situation again. >> dr. ranney, the long-term effect, i'll play some sound of a covid survivor talking about the long-term effect of the disease. take a listen. >> difficulty breathing, covid brain where i really can't

recall short-term memory is gone, general feeling throughout my body like i just drank an espresso, rapid heart brrate. insomnia is another symptom i have. >> what do we know about what happens weeks and months after you have survived, after you're testing negative, after testing positive. what happens to the human body? >> we still don't know a lot about what happens in the weeks and months after a positive test. we're starting to know the course for those people who do get really, really sick. we're just starting to track people's long-term outcomes, but there are increasing reports that 30% to 50% of people who survive covid-19 have long-term symptoms including neurological dysfunction, brain dysfunction,

breathing trouble, and there are some reports that the percent may be even higher than that. this virus is not something to shake your head at, to think it is a hoax. it is serious. and it is serious even if you don't die. it can cause these long-term effects that can change your life forever. >> people need to be aware of that and pay attention and stay safe. dr. megan ranney, dr. aktar, thank you so much. we appreciate your time. up next, president trump demanding states start reopening schools or else. some teachers say they still don't feel safe. >> when i started teaching, we were worried about kids passing notes in school, we were worried about kids chewing gum. now we're dealing with pandemics walking into our classroom and shooters. this is a very harsh reality for teachers across the country. and unfortunately without the leadership that is needed, we're not getting the money, we're not getting the specifics, and there is no guarantee that we're going to be safe. if you have a garden you know,

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michigan was one of the hardest hit states in the first stage of the covid crisis. it managed to flatten the curve. only after the deaths of more than 6,000 people. now a recent spike in cases shows the virus is far from done with the great lakes state. you can see on this chart that the seven-day moving average of new cases appears to be headed

in the wrong direction, even as cases continue to mount, hospitalizations rates are holding steady, for now. joining us now, lieutenant governor of michigan, garland gilchrist. we have seen this spin in the wrong direction for states that appeared to have things under control initially. how concerned are you now in the direction of the data you've seen trending. >> thank you for having me with you this morning and for your viewers. we have some concerns about what we're seeing in the state of michigan now. we're proud the people of michigan stepped up in the beginning and really did what they needed to do to be able to slow the growth of our curve, that we were able to help our hospital systems get out ahead of the virus. that was a good thing. it enabled us to be able to re-engage some activities carefully. as the cases tick up, we're concerned about what we have been seeing. we have been seeing individual events that led to the spread happening in preventable ways. we saw a bar in east lansing,

michigan, hundreds of people getting cases. we saw a little league coach coach a team in another state and come back and infect others with the virus. people need to be vigilant and rey moyon so the way they were in the beginning. we have to make sure our healthcare systems can handle the spike. we're seeing thousands of cases a day, we're at 600 and we want to slow that as quickly and as effectively as possible. >> i want to play some sound from dr. fauci and get your response on the other side. take a listen. >> i think any state that is having a serious problem, that state should seriously look at shutting down. it is not for me to say because each state is different. >> dr. fauci is not specifying any state, he wouldn't group michigan with some of the states that we're looking at in the south and west. do you know at what point you're looking at numbers or

hospitalizations or death counts you say we got to go backwards and fast based on whatever our reopening process was. >> we have been transparent in terms of what our numbers are and what the trends are, we have a whole road map listed on our state website, communicating from the beginning. we have said that as the data and the facts and the evidence show our numbers are improving, we'll re-engage activities. if they go in the wrong direction, we may have to take a step back. we have seen large gatherings, people congregating, we take a step back on indoor dining. we have tanken a step up, so we're always going to make sure our policy is responsive it the reality because our job as policymakers is to protect public health and protect public safety here for the people of michigan. that's what we're always going to do, put people first, put our kids first, schools first, ahead of any other considerations. >> i want to get to that last point about putting kids first.

schools has become a politically charged issue over the course of the last couple of weeks. what i want to know from state officials is what do you need to be able to reopen schools in the fall? do you need money? do you need -- as congress is about to address another stimulus package what does michigan need to allow teachers and students to come safely back into the classrooms. >> the politization of schools during the coronavirus really disgusts me. as a parent of twin 6-year-olds entering the second grade in the fall, i want my kids to be safe and i want every child in the state of michigan and the country to be safe. and in order to make that happen, we need people to do their part individually, that means wearing their masks, that means practicing social distancing, limiting the trips outside the home and we need the federal government to step up with the resources to enable our schools to start. the truth is, department of education at the federal level

been a failure instead of putting out a blanket mandate for schools to restart. we're going to need a lot more. our education professionals deserve to be safe when they go into schools to educate our children. our children deserve to know the adults in their lives are thinking about their safety, to make sure everyone can get back to work. distance learning is hard. we need help on that as well to make sure every kid can learn and we can deal with the learning losses experienced this year. >> something extremely important in the weeks ahead. i want to get something you were working on a task force and new executive order, talking about training for implicit bias. i want to big picture that for a minute, pull up a chart of deaths by race. you see 40% of the deaths are black, african-american, which only make up 14% of the state's population. i think my bigger question is not so micro on this, but what

is the larmong-term effects on black community, with everything else going on now what is your view on how this is going to fect thi affect things in the future longer term? >> this has shown a light on the fact there has been racial health disparities in our communities across the state and across the country for generations. they need to be addressed. our administration tried to start doing that before covid. but once we started collecting the data in the very beginning, about how this was impacting different people of different races and ethnicities, we knew we had to act in the states. that's why we created this task force, made up of professionals who run the gamut of educational professionals, labor leaders, et cetera, we're working to reduce the increased risk of infection and exposure that comes by being a person of color, that comes by living in poverty, comes by relying on public transportation, you need to get tested and implicit medical bias may have played a role in not

being able to get tested because of our lack of a failure of a national strategy to begin to have enough tests. we had families, the bradley family in grand rapids who went to hospitals begging for tests they couldn't get in the beginning. we worked to increase that capacity and we're making sure now that going forward, we're investing in the things that actually lead to better health you outcomes if you get covid as your last segment showed, there can be long-term negative health impacts and people having compromised respiratory symptoms is dangerous in southwest detroit where we have a high presence of respiratory disease, infections due to air pollution, are we seeing our people are more vulnerable and we need to make sure the policies are more responsive to people that are vulnerable, because that will make the overall public health response stronger. >> so many different story lines, something that this scale of a crisis for the disproportionate efefect on minority communities is something that can't be ignored. thank you for your time, for

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president trump is in the oval office? >> i think it does mainly for if biden is ahead by ten points. i think it is worth thinking about there is a world in which biden might be president. it is a world we have a strong chance of seeing. you run the primary, you run to the left and then you run left to, run to the right, you run to the extremes, then general election you move to the center. what biden has done has been interesting, in that he has won the primary in the center and in some ways he moved left. and that's because the left wing of the party is strong enough to have pushed him there, the warren wing, and also because i think in some ways reality has looked -- biden has been saying this, you know, the coronavirus has exposed these deep inequalities in our culture we had, and biden has been saying, look, on some issues i'm moving

left because i think the problems are deeper than i realize. this san unusual thing we're seeing where the nominee moved in a more sort of political extreme direction, but i think that the bernie people succeeded in the primary process and -- in the electoral process, next year when -- if there is governing happening, that's a harder thing. you have to work with the senate, the house, the president, and the public. >> one step at a time, perry. one step at a time. jackie, perry makes an interesting point. they're moving left more or less on the policy side of things and yet jonathan martin has a police where states of the country that are not traditionally battleground are pleading with the biden campaign to come in and play, sherrod brown is pushing to refocus on ohio, i feel like i watched this movie to some degree. i was on the plane with secretary of state clinton, are

they getting greedy now are there real opportunities in different places in the map? >> so i think the democratic party by and large, the scars of 2016 are quite deep. and that's what you're hearing -- and you can't discount that. i remember in the run-up to the 2018 midterms, democrats saying, yeah, it looks good. everything could still go wrong. so i -- that is -- winning first is driving the biden campaign, making sure that states, the -- michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, making sure those are locked down. when you -- you are already hearing from members of congress in michigan, saying michigan isn't. they're not -- there is no making sure that those states are put to bed before you expand the map is the more prudent step you're hearing from the biden

campaign. of course you get pressure from places like texas, georgia, and biden's campaign manager worked for -- he knows texas. there is -- i'm sure at some point they'll be looking at that, there is a difference between a reschool per se and something that you know that you may actually be able to land. >> i would say that jackie would agree with me as ohioans you should focus on ohio so we can hang out in columbus more often, especially if there is football in the fall, please let there be football in the fall. >> a girl can dream. >> short on time. catherine, perry, jackie, thank you as always for hanging out, even remotely. we appreciate it. up next, how john roberts navigated the most complicated and impactful supreme court terms in recent memory. if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand.

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the supreme court wrapped up up its historic term. in the pair of 7-2 rulings, the justices temporarily blocked house democrats from accessing trump's records. but also reaffirmed that he is not immune from a subpoena by new york prosecutors. writing for the majority in any case, chief justice john roberts said 200 years ago a great jurist of our established that no citizen, not even the president is categorybly above the common duty to produce evidence. now the president took to twitter to rail against the decisions complaining that, quote, courts in the past have given broad deference, but not me. cnn legal and supreme court analyst joins me now. she quite literally wrote the book on the roberts court entitled "the chief." i want to start with those two decisions about the financial

records. there's a lot of nuance here. what's your read on what these decisions actually mean? >> you're right, phil. there are two things going on here. first of all the chief justice laid down some very broad principles about the power of the president and the subpoena power of the house and the districts attorney and said the extreme position that donald trump's personal lawyers have taken would be absolutely immune from any kind of criminal proceeding while he was a sitting president. that's just absolutely wrong. but, at the same time, the supreme court gave donald trump more avenues to pursue, both in the house and in the manhattan grand jury situation. so he's bought some time here to make some other claims and to, frankly, phil, keep all those documents secret until after the election, if they even come out then. >> yeah. doesn't seem like we're going to

see anything before november. i want to get to, and this is certainly not the way you're supposed to look at the court. but everybody seems to think red team, blue team at this point in time. and justice kavanaugh and gorsuch wrote no one is above the law. that principle, of course, applies to a president. now, you mentioned the absolute immunity argument that the white house had been making. they haven't backed off that. kayleigh mcenany, the press secretary, saying this past week that they still held to it. does this essentially kind of drop the anvil on the head of said argument? >> yes. it was an extreme position. a position that no president had taken before. so, it tells you how much the roberts court is pushing back against the trump administration, you know, increasingly it's gotten impatient with the sorts of

things it can do here. they cannot not claim that the president is absolutely immune. and even down the road if his tax returns are turned over to the grand jury, that's a secret process. chief justice roberts took pains to talk about how they shouldn't be released. then you also mentioned the fact that neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh joined the opinion with a caveat, which is think of what chief justice roberts pulled off here, getting those two trump appointees to join the judgment with ruth bader ginsburg, the notorious rbg who herself has publicly complained about the fact that trump has kept his tax records secret. >> it's a good point. there was an assumption that this was all going to be released all at once. it's not. there's a process. i wanted to ask you about the roberts court. we always pay attention the last day, but it seemed like over the course of the last month, we've

just had a series of huge cases. you look at justice roberts over the course of this entire term. i think it was 96% of the majority of opinions. you look at some of the big cases he was in on. what's your read on john roberts as the person who's written the book on the roberts court after this term? >> well, what's crucial to remember is that even though he has been chief justice for 15 years, only since 2018 when anthony kennedy retired has he been at the ideological center of this court. whatever he says, however he votes becomes the law of the land. and we saw that so clearly here, phil, this term, when he cast the fifth vote of abortion rights and to ensure that a tough louisiana abortion regulation wasn't revived. we saw him cast the fifth vote with the liberals also to reject the trump administration's attempt to phase out an

obama-era program that shielded young, undocumented immigrants. and here he separated himself from the trump appointees again joining with the four liberals to say as robustly as possible that the president is not above the law and the president isn't even subject to saying that he has to have some sort of -- that the manhattan d.a. has to meet some sort of heightened standard before the grand jury is able to get materials. so, the chief asserted the independence of the supreme court in his entirety and asserted his own personal independence inching to the left in some cases. but the one thing i want to caution everyone about the chief is that he has not lost his conservative stripes. he still was with right-wing on religion. he still was with them on voting rights this term. also in terms of the independence of federal agencies, he took the side of

the trump administration to give president donald trump more power to fire people. so, it's not just a single line that he's doing beyond asserting the independence and integrity of this supreme court in the face of many trump challenges, phil. >> or, as you put it in a really great piece on cnn.com, he gave everyone an exciting thing. joan, thank you, as always, for making us so much smarter about the supreme court. next up, "state of the union" with dana bash. guests include nancy pelosi and betsy devos. thanks again for sharing your sunday morning with us. t-mobile and sprint have merged. now that sprint is a part of t-mobile

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