all her children's friends into her home. joan swanson lived an extraordinary life and she was 89 years old. that's it for us. the new continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." thank you. the president let another day pass without handling the pandemic and continuing his up-and-down strategy, insisting the virus is under control and it's under control because of his efforts alone. >> we did a travel ban in january. like dr. fauci said, they would have lost thousands of more people if president donald trump hadn't done that and i was a crowd of one. >> who? so now he draws on dr. fauci to vouchee for him. he cites hip m as a trusted

source. you know why, ladies and gentlemen? because trump knows fauci is a trusted source. given what just came out of his mouth, we have to ask why is he trying to destroy fauci? and the answer is because fauci keeps telling you the truth about covid-19. now, he was just nice about fauci, he said he likes fauci, you're not being fair to the president. okay. if the president isn't behind it, why is his campaign pushing out a staffer like stephen moore, who is openly trying to smear fauci's decades-long service? the guy is supposed to be an economic analyst. what about this from peter and a half -- navarro, another trumper? now he's a fauci critic? these guys want to talk about be trustworthy and records of getting things wrong and they work for trump and never admit

his legendary lies? and dan scovino, deputy chief of staff for communications he posted this cartoon, mocking the top infectious disease specialist on his facebook page as he calls him his colleague. so, yes, trump is behind this. and, yes, this is how trump and his trolls treat colleagues. more importantly, this is how trump goes after the people who let you know when he's lying and trying to divide and conquer. the truth is the man who promised to drain the swamp has created more stench and added more alligators. that's what trump has done. if i'm wrong, why doesn't captain carnage tell his sycophants to shut up? if he likes fauci and believes he's a trusted source, why doesn't he say stop? why doesn't he correct it? because he likes what they're saying.

he wants them to say it because he doesn't want you to believe the truth, unless it benefits him. so at the same time he says no mask, at the same time he says no testing. he then says we did the right thing and even fauci says it. see him for who and what he is. trump promised to stop the carnage and yet every day he makes sure it continues. now 136,000 dead. 136,000. it didn't have to be like this. the biggest states continue to reel. they didn't have to do it this way. and trump continues to watch. where is fauci? it's been 18 days since we last saw him at a task force briefing. why do you need a.m. radio?

why silence him during the period of the worst growth in cases? think about it. you know why. why attack fauci? you do those things to give you a better chance of selling lies, lies that make the emperor's new clothes as obvious as the big nose in the mid dle of my face. trump wants you to think the problem -- think of think -- the reason that the pandemic is getting us, testing. >> if we didn't test, you wouldn't have of a tlf the head. if you cut that in half, we'd have yet again half of that. >> we had to think about what half is, by the way. like half means half as many -- my 10-year-old knows better than what he just said. by his theory, think about it, we should stop tracking any kind of problem. then there will be less of them. we cure cancer. just don't count the cases.

ridiculous! especially now with coming. no wonder the "new york times" and cnn is reporting that the trump administration confirmed that starting tomorrow they want all hospitals to send them the covid data to hhs, not to the cdc. why? why? experts say that will make it harder for them to understand the data. it will make it harder to access and research the data. why would the trump administration want hospitals to send the data to a place that makes it harder to access it and understand it? this is so obvious, so stupid, so dangerous and all proof of why this president won't allow a national plan for testing. even trump's most determined defenders are waving him off of this. listen. >> we don't have a dr. fauci problem. we need to be focusing on doing

things that get us to where we need to go. so i have all the respect in the world for dr. fauci. i think any effort to undermine him is not going to be productive, quite frankly. >> republican senator lindsey graham saying something like that is like you deciding to eat your own hand. and it better be pretty important to even consider doing such a thing. but this is that important. this plan of divide and conquer, of lie, deny and defy is killing us. we have more dead than this pandemic would have cost us if we had been doing the right thing sooner, things that this president denies, measures that he defiedefies, and facts upon he lies. don't you see that's what this is? that's why he's attacking fauci.

fauci is different. he's not going to stay silent like too much we'any we've seen team. he's not going to say nothing now and then there will be a book in a couple of months because now he wants to make his witness. he's going to take the heat because he's bigger than politics. he's going to stick because he's about the health of people like you and me. >> obviously the more you test the more you're going to pick up. so increase in testing is going to give you increases, but there is no doubt there are more infections we know that because the percentage of cases, the cases that are tested that are positive is increasing. therefore, unequivocally you're seeing truly more new cases. >> and if you don't want the scientific genius answer, you can have the regular guy answer. if it's about testing, why are hospital saysizatio hospitalizations going up? why is the governor of florida to the wanting to release

hospitalization data? why are more people getting sick and going to the hospital? it's the end of the debate. there is no debate because this isn't about the facts. what fauci just told you is the truth. that's why trump finally covered his mouth this weekend. you know if he waited this long to let us see him in a mask, he knows we're in trouble. his own cdc director is getting more bold and saying things that are obviously about him. >> i'm glad to see the president wear a mask this week and the vice president. we need them to set the exampexample. >> now, this many weeks and months in, it's dr. redfield. he also said today if everyone wore a mask in america, this pandemic could be under control within four to eight weeks. just think about that if you take nothing else from the show. that's trump's guy, he said it until they start throwing him under the bus. if everybody wore a mask, in the places that you need to. obviously if there's no case

spread, that's different. this idea that all of us are having our liberty stripped and they're going to bind our mouths. if you're in a case wheplace wh there's case spread. if you want to go live in a mountain, god bless. it's for people who live in a community, if everybody does it, four to eight weeks we'd change the calculus. imagine if this president had stopped his b.s. a month and a half ago about masks, when fauci and everybody were begging to you do it, arizona, texas are requesting refrigerated trucks. why? you saw it here in new york. morgues are running out of room for bodies. hospitals, icus, they're running out of beds. florida broke another record for the most dead in a single day. 27 states have had to roll back their reopening plans.

why? we didn't do it right. 37 states have rising cases. you know where this goes. i've been there. it sucks. it will take things from you and your family you may never get back, and that's if you're lucky and you have mild to moderate cases. we know what we need to do and i can't believe we have leadership that has been trying to get us not to do it. we need the best warriors we have to help fight this. we need all of us invested. now here's the good news. despite the president's perfity, his lies, denials and attacks, we can still have our kids go to school in some way, community by community, but we can still do it. masks, distancing, washing. be careful now. despite these efforts to weaken

fauci, thank god he is only stronger in his resolve. >> the issue at hand is so important that i think walking away from it is not the solution. i think that would just make things worse. >> i'll tell you, i was surprised. i was surprised. why? he's been doing this a long time. his legacy is secure. and for him to have to get trash talked like this with this kind of incompetence, you know what kind of mixture that is for someone like fauci to have to take, a bunch of dumb asses trashing you? imagine how bad it would be for us and for trump if fauci were to change his mind. so let's start here. let's bring in the man who got that answer from fauci, another public health expert, dr. abdul al el-sayed.

>> let me ask you this. the idea that the administration says hospitals all over the country, don't send the data to cdc, send it to us at hhs. why do experts like you shake your head at that? it's just one agency versus another. what's the big difference? >> the cdc is the nation's health department. it has been tasked with counting and analyzing disease since its inception. that's what it was in part created to do. the fact that you're seeing the cdc being marginalized out both in terms of its presence on the stage of direction for folks but also now in terms of data analysis shows that there may be an alternative choice about what they want to do with that data. the president has been trying to tell a story about covid-19 for a very long time and the cdc has

been telling the honest truth about it. it's an apolitical organization. they're realizing if they really could want to tell the story they want to tell, it would be a lot easier for them to have the data firsthand and bypass the cdc. it opens up the door to propagandizing this pandemic. >> that's what he's doing with testing. as ridiculous as it is to people in your community, this crap works in politics. if we didn't test so much, we'd be find. literally my 10-year-old knows better than that but it works when it keeps being repeated because people want this to go away. so people are susceptible. but then the calculus becomes kill the truth tellers. the idea that fauci's being attacked for telling people the truth, what's your take on that and when did you feel when you talked to the man himself?

>> well, i'll tell you, anthony fauci is a legend when it comes to public health. he's somebody i looked up to since i opened up a textbook about infectious diseases and his name was right there as one of the authors. he has been through this before. he served six presidents and his resolve is clear. i'll tell you this, though. he is 79 years old. he could easily walk out into the sunset and the reason he's not is because he believes in his work. he could make way more opinion doing something else. he could be more famous if he decided to step out and right a book about a storied idea. i'll tell you one point here. at the end of the day you don't do this kind of work, public health and public service for money. you don't do it for glitz and glamo glamour. you do it because you believe in people. at some point there was something about the empathy that you healed somebody and he's been doing that for 32 years. there's a reason that so many in

this country look to him for leadership. it because he's provided it for so long. the effort to undermine him and evidence and science in that administration i think bodes really poorly for the future of this pandemic. we seen how that kind of leadership and administration what it creates on the ground, 136,000 people dead and some of the fastes transmission in the world. we shouldn't be here. with people like dr. fauci at the core, we could have prevented ourselves from being here. >> if they actually followed his directions. it no question to me why he's been silenced during this most important period. lucky we get access through people like you and get the word out there of what the irrelevants were around us. dr. abdul el-sayed. thanks for being here. >> thanks so much.

>> tonight is a night to focus on what's being said t. not going back to school is killing kids, that's what the president of the united states said. the state's school chief is here. what does he think of trump's notion? and also, back to reality. what california could mean for your kids next. t-mobile and sprint have merged. now that sprint is a part of t-mobile we have more towers, more engineers, and more coverage than ever before. this is not just a bigger network it's a better one. and now you can get an awesome network at an amazing price. welcome to t-mobile. america's largest 5g network.

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we're not going to get to a better place if we don't keep tolerating where we are. look at the lens at california. los angeles and san diego are going to continue remote learning when the new school year begins next month. remember the president last week said he may, quote, cut off fundings for schools if they don't open. now he calls the decision to postpone a mistake. >> what do you tell parents and teachers who feel that it's unsafe to go back? >> i would tell parents and teachers that you should find yourself a new person, whoever is in charge of that decision because it's a terrible decision. because children and parents are dying from that trauma, too. they're dying because they can't do what they're doing. >> seriously? and even if you did believe that in la la land or whatever color

the sky is in his universe, where's your plan to help them do it? let's bring in california school superintendent tony thurman. i'm not going to take up your time opining about whether people are dying not going back to school. the decision to go back to school is all about how, making this determination to start off remote learning is a function of what? >> good evening, chris. it's a function of using an abundance of caution to make sure first and foremost students are safe. i applaud our larger school districts that have made the decision to open in remote learning. right now if they had to hope tomorr -- open tomorrow they would not be safe. for now we have to be cautious. >> let's talk about why not. you know what the counter is, now i can't go to work. now i got to stay home because my kid is remotely learning, which is a nightmare for the parent at home because now we're

teachers and parents, so what's the cammilculus there about why it's worth it? >> kids need to go to school and parents need to go to work and that's so important but not at the expense of the safety of our children. we have to keep our schools safe. we have some counties that can open safely because they have very low rates of infection and they have lots of space to maintain the six feet of social distancing that you were talking about. but unlike those counties, many our counties are dealing with space limitations and they're seeing high percentages of cases and right now people are doing the right thing. we have to be cautious. right now safety has to outweigh everything else. >> but, superintendent, kids don't get that sick, says the president. and when they do get sick, they're asymptomatic and we don't think they are as contagious as adults are says the president and his people. why don't you take comfort in those notions? >> like you said, there's

evidence we're seeing an increase in infection among young people and the science isn't settled enough for anyone to make a reckless statement that kids can't transmit the virus to those in vulnerable conditions right now we need the president and congress to say we're going to send more resources to our schools so we have more personal protective equipment, more computers so our kids who have to be in distance learning can still learn and do so safely. >> how much contact have you had with the federal government in terms of how to reopen schools, what the risks are and how they can help you manage that? >> you know, it's been limited. i would say we've had a great california congressional delegation. they've been very focused on how to get us more resources to help us with reopening and computing devices for our students. in terms of the administration itself, very limited. we reached out for more support, even providing meals to hungry

kid. >> you're not going to provide meals if they cut the federal funding. isn't it true that federal funding for state education largely affects the neediest kids, including school meals and access to school for the neediest? isn't that where that money goes that the president is threatening to pull? >> absolutely. and right now this state is leaving millions on the table that are needed to feed hungry kids. we need action from the federal government that's going to keep us safe and allow us to address counseling needs and basic needs of our students while we figure out how to educate them safely. >> once we get into the school year, i know part of the california plan is to deal with that gap of lack of attendance but still getting the meals. delivery is hard. i know it's hard, i know you're working on it. i'm not going to go at you about it until i see it in action. and then come back on, tony, and we'll talk about the reality in your state. thank you. >> thank you. thank you for getting the

message out and continue to be safe and be well. >> for those of you a home, when you hear the president say i'll pull the funding, the neediest kids and the food that is often their best chance of nutrition for the day. we can't forget about the fight in this country. the pandemic is an extension of the overall fight for opportunity, for safety and social justice. those getting the most sick are the same people crying out for social justice. the president reminded us today of the need to stay aware. when he said that asking why blacks suffer at the hands of police was a horrible question, and wait until you hear what he said the real problem is. i'll give you a hint, his feelings are toxic and they're spreading like a hate virus. the facts are the cure and we have them next. you get used to pet odors in your car.

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all right. so we now know why president donald trump won't discuss systemic race im. it's because he doesn't believe it exists.

>> let's talk about george floyd. you said george floyd's death was a terrible thing. >> terrible. >> why are african-americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country? >> and so are white people. so are white people. what a terrible question to ask. so are white people. more white people, by the way. more white people. >> all right, this stops now. first, side observation. trump and the word truth share the first two letters, they have the same total number of letters, but they share absolutely nothing else. of course more white people die at the hands of police. why? we are 70% of the country, that's why. and when we talk about people shot by police, just so you know, why people are more likely to have a gun. but when you talk unarmed people being killed by police, the numbers reverse and quickly.

we're talking about a larger percentage of the black population dying at the hands of those who are sworn to protect and, yes, you can and should love the police and at the same time hate the abuse of force. blacks are less than a quarter of but are almost a third of these tragedies. well, but that's because they commit more crime, right? that's the secret, isn't it? violent crime rates are higher in black communities, but why does that mean that there should be more police shootings? even when you adjust for things like time of day, you see blacks are more likely to be singled out by police. those encounters are more likely to come with higher levels of suspicious. bottom line, black people are between about two to three and a half times more likely to be killed by police. in some cities, it's up to six

times. two to three, six. why not one number? i'll tell you why. it's hard to track because we do not track these events nationally well. why? the only conclusion i can draw is we don't really care. four years ago the head of the fbi said this -- >> we need clect actual accurate and complete information about policing in this country so that we have informed debates about things that matter enormously. >> enormously. so what happened? the feds launched a database on police use of force. the first report was supposed to be this year. you know what they released? nothing. what you see on camera is orwellian double speak in the hands of a demagogue in the form of president donald trump trying to distort a reality too many have lived for too long. the truth is asking about why

blacks still suffer is not a horrible question, it is his answer that was horrible. when we talk about schools reopening, we're talking about families that are going to be forced to make a very difficult choice, and that's if no one in the family has been infected. i'm going to talk to sanjay gupta about that. and i also want to check back with some of the people we met along the way with covid. do you remember ms. mandel right there? you need another reason to avoid getting this virus? watch what's next. there's a part of the reality that people like myself and this great mom know about that you don't. next. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again.

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brought to you in april, a family of six battling coronavirus, lauren thomas mandel, another of four, her husband, a doctor, treating covid patients. he came down with the virus, hospitalized. she ended up getting infected as her two oldest kids, teen-agers. now the family is coronavirus negative. but here's the story that i asked lauren to help me tell, okay? the battle isn't over yet. i know i told you that they don't have covid anymore, but that doesn't mean that it's over. lauren, welcome back to "pri "primetime," i brought in the big gun, sanjay gupta. you look great. you were very helpful to me. i want the audience to know that. you were very helpful to me. you were more helpful to me than i was to you. you don't have covid but that doesn't mean that you are 100% well, does it?

>> no, we are not well. first, i should correct. we took the antibody test and my little ones did end up have it. >> so they had it but they were asymptomatic. >> i can pinpoint both times when my little ones had it but they had minor symptoms. now they're fine, the 15-year-old and i both have difficulty with our breathing still. she's a lot better than i am. i'm on two sets of inhalers. there's something wrong, especially at nighttime, i have difficulty getting that deep breath in. just doesn't come naturally anymore and i just have to stop. the 17-year-old still does not have his taste or smell back and my husband still has trouble breathing and gets tingling randomly throughout his body for no reason. we've done tests, bloodwork,

everything and this is what's coming up. >> the blood is what, okay? >> yeah. >> and you never had problems with asthma or anything like that? you're not a crazy all elergy sufferer or anything like that? >> i am a crazy allergy suffe r sufferer. he told me if i'm not better two weeks later, make an appointment with pull m pulthe pulmonologis. i find myself sitting down a lot more often than i did. >> sanjay, how often are you hearing stuff like this and what does it mean to you? >> yeah, i mean, first of all, lauren, i'm sorry you're going through this. i remember hearing your story

back in april. this does linger. we hear this quite a bit. i mean, even in people who, as i think you were alluding to who are either asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic, even they can have these lingering symptoms. these are early days. we're going to learn a lot more about this in the years and months to come. they say in the early days some 40% of people seem to have persistent symptoms, more than a few months. we don't know much longer than that because that's the longest sort of follow-up that we have. we went back and looked at sars data, sudden acute respiratory syndrome, that was also, as you may know, caused by coronavirus. there was a percentage of people, around 20, 25% of people that did develop persistent sort of lung problems in the form of either pulmonary fibrosis or difficulty with full --

pulmonary function. they were able to detect this by doing c.t. scans afterwards -- >> that's the level of testing we're going to have to see. mandel and i have a pretty good bond. neither of us is surprised to hear it because we think that we're not special. now, there's a term that i don't know if the doctors have used with you, lauren, but you're going to hear it, it called myalgia encephalitis. it's a fancy way of saying chronic fatigue syndrome and can have an overlay of the lung stuff because of this particular virus. i am done with the let's live a situation through chris. that's why i wanted to bring in you and there a lot of other people who are feeling this. they are now offering that up to me it to explain what's going on with me. i've got brain fog, which won't go away. i have an onset of clinical

depression. it no tte it's not sadness. it's depression. i can't control it. i'm working on that with my doctor now. i can't recover from workouts. i hear it from more people than i don't. i want to give you the last word of what the family is still dealing with in terms of the tale of the tornado. >> it's real. you need to wear your mask and protect yourself, your family. once it's in your house, it doesn't go away. our house is all about covid. my poor 7-year-old is nervous all the time. she wants to make sure we're safe, are we wearing masks? i have a 5 and 7-year-old that have zero problems wearing a mask. we're scared and they're scared to get it back again. they saw what happens. >> it really, sanjay, when you have the idea if you get it,

you'll probably have a mild case and you'll be fine. i just don't know that it goes away after that. and i know that once they give me some more lung testing, i know they're going to find something, that's why i've been delaying it. but i don't think we're special. mandel is special, she's a phenomenal mother. i can't believe how she dealt with this. every time i called to check up on her, i wound up talking about himself 80% of the time. i don't think we're special, sanjay. >> so many people have still come to me that said why don't i just get this and power through it and get the antibodies and be done. not a good option. we don't know exactly what this virus does to the body. it affects everything from the toes to the nose and we don't know how long it lasts. you don't want this if you can avoid it. i feel both of you if you got it. i'm glad you're recovering. it's a long process. you don't want this if you gotl loop.

i'm come at you every few weeks and you let me know if there are any updates that are worthwhile. i know better than to offer you anything. i'm not getting into that trap again. i appreciate you and your family. i wish you the best. i hope it continues to get better and soon, okay? >> yes, you, too. >> god bless. >> doc, as always, be well. i'll check in with you soon. >> i'll call you, chris. >> we got some breaking news for you out of alabama. a nice window into the strep of t -- strength of the president within his party next. more engineers, and more coverage than ever before. this is not just a bigger network it's a better one. and now you can get an awesome network at an amazing price. welcome to t-mobile. america's largest 5g network.

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all right, the alabama u.s. senate runoff has just been called. jeff sessions will not win his old seat back. that's because he was president trump's first attorney general. you remember how that went, right? his opponent, tommy tuberville, a former auburn university coach

is in the running after a lot of backing from president trump. jeff. >> tommy tuberville did win this. alabama deep red republican state. this is a race for jeff sessions approximate president trump dished out. he gave up his senate seat after being the first senator to endorse him four years ago to become attorney general. of course he recused himself in the russia probe and the president never forgave him for that. president trump gave a blistering almost daily deliverance of jeff sessions and supported tommy tubber ville in the race. the former auburn football coach well known in alabama. although only lived there a brief period of time. was a florida voter, resident a year and a half ago or so. is going to be the republican

nominee. will face senator doug jones the democratic senator the most imperilled democratic senator in the senate this fall. president trump is already tweeting about this this evening. praising tommy tuber ville. giving his pat on his back. we can read it. wow just called won big against jeff sessions. will be a great senator for the people of alabama. we'll keep an eye on this race. jeff sessions who won four races to the u.s. senate, often without opposition. humiliated tonight in alabama. >> trump power in alabama. no doubt about it. no disrespect to tuber ville. a popular guy in the region of the country. being a coach at auburn sa big deal. this is the power of trump and in large measure and sessions learning a lesson. it's feelty not loyalty. if you don't follow the rules this is what you get. thank you for reporting.

one more step down election road. infectious disease experts in miami are begging for help. they are calling miami the new epicenter of the pandemic. the reality is eight hospitals in miami-dade county have maxed out icu capacity. rates will climbing. what are they going to do? situation on the ground with the mayor. good to see you. sorry it's under these conditions. >> it's not the conditions we want to be seeing each other urpd. >> first, politics and pancreati practicality. >> it's a pocket, there are problems. but it goes up and goes down. that's what this is. how can you and he see things so differently on the same baf of numbers? >> i'm not sure. we had a meeting today he was at a variety of different mayors

were there. and the idea was for us to try fo unify the message. for him to listen to voices that don't always sing the same tune. it was important for him to be there. we certainly were able to get him to convey in miami the last couple days wearing a mask in public is important. that's a rule that we have in the city. and miami-dade county. it's something we're hoping will help us start flattening the curve once gens. the situation is dire. hospitalization are all time high. icu beds are double what they were in april and trying to find ways to increase capacity. over two to four weeks. if things don't improve over the next week, we could be forced to take very dramatic measures like a stay at home order. >> what do you do with capacity? what is the plan the governor

offering any are leaf? is the federal government offering relief? if you don't have beds that's the end of capacity. how do you expand? how is offering to help? >> we're getting some help from the state. they sent 100 nurses over the last week. we haven't gotten necessarily any federal help. what the hospital system is doing is creating flexibility by having less non-covid-19 patients obviously we have about the ability -- 2,000 covid-19 patients in the system. and we have the ability to create some flexibility by we shut down non-elective services. elective procedures. and also a shift in some patients from that are not covid-19. and making sure we have more capacity for covid-19 patients. to increase 50% over two weeks. >> that's a big number. >> huge number.

>> you have to cross that with the case growth. how long do they think they have? >> they think they have about four weeks if assuming numbers don't -- and create the capacity they can create. i think if things don't start to change materially in the next week or so we have to take dramatic action. >> it's maskings, social distancing, if it doesn't work you have to take a step back and reduce the options for people to be out and public. and stay home until numbers come down. that's leadership. nobody will like anything that we said. that's the job you wanted. when things get to normal, people will be normal in terms how they see the measures that got them there. you have a tough job ahead. this platform remains open. and i hope you see change and quickly. >> i hope so too.

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almost. why not start "cnn tonight" with don lemon early. enough is never enough. >> ten whole seconds, wow. you're so generous. >> what's clear to us with fauci is this president strategy is destroy the truth tellers. and i don't think it will work with fauci. in fact, it may backfire. graham saying no, no, no, don't do this. you have to think about whether or not this is a strategy that helps the president in his own mind. >> you're right. all the truth tellers have to do is just hold and just wait. long enough. they say the truth comes out in the rinse. just hold on and hold out and the truth will come. the truth will set you free. i think i agree that trying to destroy someone when they say you dig one ditch you better dig two. the next one might be