officers and floyd. at 11 minutes and 23 seconds, one of the officers apply a knee to floyd's neck. minutes later we hear what appear to be his final words again, "i can't breathe." i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." coop, thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." the act is simple. now is the time. if you want schools to open, this is the moment. we have to start by holding power to account. we've got to start with the man who is in charge and is charged here with holding us back. here is trump on the record today. >> we're all in the same team including dr. fauci. i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. and we're all in the same team. >> good. then listen to the doctor's orders. >> let's stop this nonsense and figure out how can we get our

control over this now. and looking forward, how can we make sure that next month we don't have another example of california, texas, florida, and arizona, because those are the hot zones now. and i'm looking at the map saying, we've got to make sure it doesn't happen in other states. so rather than these games people are playing, let's focus on that. >> now, that's what trump should be saying. if he can't muster the message, then at least listen to it and call off your dogs. own the truth. enough of this bs with your boy navarro. did you hear the latest excuse? >> he made a statement representing himself. he shouldn't be doing that. no, i have a very good relationship with anthony. >> i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself so i don't even want to go there. >> fauci doesn't have to go there. we need to go there. why? it is time to stand and be counted. we've got big problems.

power needs to own what they're doing and move to a better place. and by "power" i mean trump. come on. you know what's pretending he didn't know what navarro and the others were doing. you know how that place works. it's all about one guy. as trump told you yesterday, a crowd of one. it's time for the president to man up. you know you had your boys doing your dirty work. it's always the same. and, simple question, if you didn't know, if navarro really was going rogue, then what are you going to do about it, mr. "you're fired"? where is the signature accountability for someone going behind your back, breaking your rules, and attacking your good friend who is on your team? what are you going to do? we're waiting. and while we all hold our breaths for that action -- sarcasm -- fauci is using his breath to comprehend all the ugly coming his way. >> it is a bit bizarre.

i don't really fully understand it. i think what happened with that list that came out, if you sit down and talk to the people who were involved in that, they really i think are taken aback by what a big mistake that was. and i think if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. >> i think he's right. let's look at the evidence of what's happened since. the president is doing this pratfall. "i didn't know, i didn't know, these guys are on their own," yeah, because that happens a lot around the president, people going out and going rogue, you see a lot of that. the vice president tweeting out this picture of fauci sitting next to him earlier, calling it a productive meeting of the coronavirus task force today. hopefully it was productive. and hopefully these thug tactics have backfired enough to make trump and co. think twice before shifting blame and playing a bs

game in the middle of a pandemic. our kids' normalcy is on the line. getting back to work is on the line. so let's get to where the energy should be. you want to talk hoax? fine. your response is a hoax. where is the plan? where is the testing guidance? everybody who got through this did it with central plans, okay? of course the states have power. but they need your help. they keep asking. they're asking now for help with schools. are you helping? are we any closer to being able to domestically source ppe if cases come hard in the fall? bring back manufacturing? let's start with this. the pandemic is in full effect. it's feasting on us, especially red states who followed trump's trail of denial to their own

detriment. why should you not believe? the record. but more importantly, this. you tell me how a president in the middle of a pandemic has got time for this bullshit. are you kidding me? hawking products? goya, i don't care who it is. resolute desk? this is what he's resolute about? pandemic priorities? his daughter ivanka, top white house adviser, are you kidding me? marketing for a brand following calls for a boycott after goya's ceo heaped praise on trump last week. on your dime, in the middle of a pandemic, they're selling beans. are you kidding me? seriously. seriously. this is not left and right. this is reasonable, my brothers and sisters.

the guy is sitting at the resolute desk with a bunch of goya products. proof positive of why we need many faucis, but we only have one. why? the idea of him messing with fauci when he's selling magic beans is crazy. what reason, what good reason, what good reason? that's the question. now, you say, "none." okay. so what's the bad reason? now things start to look more clear. shift the blame, put stink on fauci, sell your beans. cut out the cdc from data information. what's the good reason? well, some hospitals weren't reporting. what does that have to do with the cdc being cut out? make them report better. national guard? give us the data in the

administration? why? i don't know a good reason but i know a bad one. lie, deny, and defy. the president keeps telling you the problem is testing. you don't think that has anything to do with his desire for this information? wake up. this is what's making us sick. i do not want to see you people have to go through what i did. it never ends. it never ends, this thing. even a mild case. and look, you're going to keep seeing the desperation because the president is desperate, not about the pandemic, about himself. this latest news, troubling. trump demoting his campaign manager brad parscale. on one layer, that's what happens, he throws everybody under the bus, and it's his prerogative, it's his campaign. on the other, it means he's going to be looking to get blame away from him. and that's where it gets dangerous for us. so keep an eye on it, hold him

to account, make him do his damn job. but now let's talk about what that job should look like so we have a frame of reference. two top public health officials, former hhs secretary kathleen sebelius and former fha margaret hammer. sorry about that, but sometimes you get desperate, waving your hands, here it comes, stop it from coming. and i try to do what i can. secretary sebelius, hhs, a very honorable agency, an important work. the idea, though, of supplanting the cdc and having hospitals directly convey information either to hhs or somewhere else within the administration stinks to high heaven, to me. to you, what is your take? >> chris, thanks for having me, and it's great always to see my friend and colleague dr.

hamburg. i think it's a very bizarre decision. first of all, hhs is an umbrella agency. cdc is one of those agencies. but cdc in atlanta is the centers for disease control and protection. the public health backbone of the country. they collect the data, they write the guidance. they are the epidemiologists. they're out ahead of the virus. they're telling us how to track it. i have no idea what database hhs is putting out, what they're collecting, who is collecting it, what means is there -- they're bringing data in and they're going to send it to atlanta, which means it's going to be slower and inefficient as far as i'm concerned. and more frightening is that, my understanding is, whatever database they're going to use at hhs is not open to the public unlike the cdc database. so we are taking a step away from the public health agency and away from the public being

able to see with transparency what's going on with hospitals. if it's too slow, if they're not getting the right data, then demand the right data. that is not rocket science. they've been doing this for six months. >> if you don't like the process, correct the process and create accountability. dr. hamburg, can you think of a good reason to be doing this? maybe i'm missing something. >> i think it's a fundamental problem of not actually harnessing the capability and expertise that exists within an agency like the cdc. maybe it's not working the way that it should be, but as you say, you address what's not working, you help to support it, you help to make sure that it is delivering, rather than moving it, creating a whole new system, which is going to have startup costs and inevitable problems. it's very, very strange.

cdc exists to purchase certain critical functions. they do it routinely and they do it in crises. yet in this particular catastrophic situation, cdc has been marginalized. we're not hearing directly from so many of the experts who dealt with these kinds of infectious disease problems, nothing on this scale before, but still, that's where the expertise is, that's where we should go for these kinds of activities. >> secretary, doctor, commissioner, please stay with me for another block. i want to ask you where we are with vaccines and what we think we need to do if school is a goal, just from your experience of procedure protocols. as we go to break, just for the sake of argument, we have a lot of open-mind guests here, let me have dr. hamburg back for a second. i want to ask you one quick question as we go into break. the idea about fauci, you have

worked with him, you know his reputation, you know him firsthand. the idea that fauci is a bum that makes mistakes all the time and always has, he makes so many mistakes, he's gotten things wrong time and time again, have you ever heard that said about him, did you ever witness with any kind of doubt or misgivings him in the line of duty? >> you know, this is remarkable, what's going on. it's so unfortunate, it's so reckless. tony is the kind of expert, physician/scientist who understands public health who has led this country and, frankly, the world through many other serious infectious disease problems. any leader would be lucky to have him at their side helping to shape a response, helping to guide and answer questions. and, you know, it is extraordinary, it's just so unfortunate. he works night and day.

and he's not doing it because he wants to be elected to something. he's not doing it for a huge paycheck. he's doing it because he cares and he believes that by bringing scientific evidence and expertise to bear, that he can make a real difference. and we need him now more than ever. >> secretary, i'll get your take on this as well when we come back from break. thank you very much for being with me. who would imagine that a scientist like fauci during a pandemic would have to rely more on his instincts he learned in brooklyn than what he learned as a scientist just to get through this administration right now? we'll be right back after this. you need a hair smoother. get fructis sleek & shine with moroccan argan oil. hair is super sleek even in 97% humidity. no parabens. fructis sleek & shine. by garnier, naturally!

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better than having it go to the cdc. the chief of the america public health association says this, the largest organization of public health officials until the world, by the way. "the disruption that hhs is going to create and confusion, simply telling people to do something different in the middle of a disaster that does not work, it's like telling a soldier in the middle of a battle, we want you to fight differently than we trained you." we back now with former secretary kathleen sebelius and dr. margaret hamburg who was an fda commissioner. thank you both. secretary sebelius, how worried are you about the level of response right now in the context of the ability to adjust in time to get our kids back in school, at least in most places? >> chris, i don't think there's a parent in this country or a teacher who isn't anxious to

reconnect inside a classroom. but parents and teachers and school personnel and superintendents want the safety and security of all the individuals who go into a school to be paramount. that's step one. and we have disease now rising, not flat line, not going down, but rising, in 35 states around the country. we have death rates that are ticking back up. we have hospitalizations that are, as you say, on the increase. so this virus is out of control in many parts of the country. we're running out of hospital beds. we don't have ppe. and we have a united states senate who is stuck, who refuses to bring forward the bill that cities and states need. we need extra help in schools to put kids back with more personnel, not less. we need more cleaning crews. we need more space. we need to look district by district and we need some very

clear guidance and guidelines about what happens, where the ppe will be, what the cleaning needs to be, how you get kids safely to school if you can't put them on a school bus, how you feed kids in school. none that have is happening at a national level. what we have is a president and the secretary of education, shockingly, not talking about the welfare of the children, not talking about the safety of teachers and staff and parents and siblings, but talking about threatening schools with withholding of funds if they don't jam kids back in school. i don't know of anyone in the country who would threaten parents and teachers with demanding that they go back in the middle of a pandemic, except governor desantis who is already seeing the most unbelievable virus counts and death counts that we've seen anywhere in the country. >> and we keep reinforcing the idea that the federal money they're talking about pulling goes to the neediest kids.

and the food that they get at these schools which is often the best chance of nutrition touring the day, that's what that funding is about. commissioner, the idea of light at the end of the tunnel that isn't the train, vaccine. the moderna vaccine trials showing promise, is that still a fair representation of the process to you? >> yes. the results that came out today build on other indications that this kind of a vaccine strategy may prove to be effective in terms of stimulating the kind of immune response that we need for protection. we need to learn a lot more both about how well the vaccine works and also is it safe. and is it safe for people that are younger and healthier like those who have gotten the vaccine so far. but also in those elderly or more at-risk populations who are going to be very important in

terms of needing vaccine as we go forward. but the moderna vaccine that we've just been hearing about has moved forward at a record speed, and we need to continue to do the studies and get answers. but there are other vaccine candidates and different types of vaccines that are also in development. so there has been this huge mobilization of science to try to address this problem and, you know, really encouraging working together of government, academia, and private sector to try to find a vaccine that will prove safe and effective. but there are no promises. and we need to wait, we need to do the research. and in the meantime we need to follow good public health practices to try to reduce infections, break the chain of transmission and try to address those who are sick and bring down the terrible rates of hospitalization and deaths that

we're seeing now. >> of course once we get the vaccine and it's safe, we have to get people to believe that, which means the messaging and the credibility is going to matter, because as we see with the flu vaccine, so many who need to take it, don't. secretary sebelius, commissioner hamburg, thank you very much for your perspective tonight. we'll need more going forward so i thank you in advance. >> happy to be with you. let's start looking at the hotspots, okay? california. why is it so bad in california? they just canceled the rose parade for 2021. it's the first time they did that since world war ii. it's a new year's day tradition, as we all know. so we're lucky tonight to have california's lieutenant governor. now, what are her words? her state is in record territory, again, with covid cases and deaths. tonight, another major city is shutting down a return to school next month. what's her take on why this happened and what their chances are going forward? next. you can't predict the future.

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california. very indicative. big state. they had been very aggressive early on. that makes what's happening now even more troubling. hospitals are filling up fast. that's the metric. don't get caught up in this testing good, testing bad. testing is, period. it's not a good or bad thing. it's data. it's numbers. the state is seeing record spikes in cases. it's not because they're testing more. it's because they have more cases and more sickness. san francisco. sacramento. now joining los angeles and san diego in saying it's just not safe to open school buildings in the fall. let's bring in the lieutenant governor of california. welcome back to "prime time." it's always good to have another italian. >> oh, i'm a greek.

>> you think i don't know that? i always try to claim, you know, whenever somebody is on top where we try to claim them, and you're doing very well, and i appreciate you joining us in the midst of a pandemic. the idea of california going this way was a shocker. you were aggressive early on at the city and state level. they were on the same page. they were closing things down. why is this happening in your state? >> chris, it is a sobering moment to be sure. as you noted, we have had a spike in cases and a spike in the number of people in hospitals. but we knew there would be some increase in the number of cases when we started to reopen. and what the governor said from the beginning is that we're going to treat it like a dimmer switch, that if we're reopening in a way that is increasing the numbers beyond what is safe, we will dial back. and so this week the governor

announced dialing back. close the bars, close dine-in activity in our restaurants, and, you know, we are now just going to be back in that place where we have to flatten the curve again. but i will say this. you know, we've built enormous capacity as the first state in the country to issue the shutdown. we built enormous capacity during the time that we had, including increasing the number of hospital beds, ventilators, ppe. and so even though we are having this fight, we are far better able to handle it than we would have been several months ago. >> i hear you, governor, and it's good to hear that you have the capacity. but let's just poke at the metaphor for a second. you said this is like a dimmer switch. to me it looks more like a circuit breaker being thrown here. you have an explosion in cases. every metric is bad. of course everybody, as they open up, you're going to have growth in cases, absolutely

true, i accept the premise. but not like this, necessarily. is there anything that you guys are able to pinpoint that went wrong? >> well, again, let me just say, we were at about a 4.5% rate of positivity in the people we were testing about a month ago. it's gone up to about a 7.2, 7.3% positivity rate. that is a spike. but again, it is within our capability to handle it, which is why we have pulled back to the degree that we've. >> but why cancel school? >> well, again, the school situation has been an ongoing conversation. and we've known in the beginning of this that it was going to be very, very hard to reopen schools. that's why the governor and the first partner launched a program to get our kids ready for the long haul of distance learning, by closing that digital divide and getting kids technology that they'll need to be able to study

at home. very hopeful. and we have 1,000 school districts in the state of california. >> right, huge state. >> every one of them trying to figure it out. so we knew this was going to be a challenge anyway, because from the beginning, chris, we said we are only going to do it if it can be done safely. and you know better than anyone else, this disease is very deadly and very contagious. >> listen, i totally get the concern. and we get how big a deal schools is, because you pull back on schools, you can't open the economy. you can't get people working because the day-care needs are too severe. and so we get it, we get the implications of it. how much of this had to do with a pullback in testing? because that is something that's very much under scrutiny for other states. is there something to be learned in california? >> so california has had a major increase in the amount of testing that we're doing here. we're testing more than 100,000 people every day. >> now. but have you pulled back too much, too soon?

>> we haven't pulled back in testing at all, it's been a steady increase. we tested 108,000 people yesterday. so no, our testing is going strong. what's happening is that because so many other states are building their testing capacity, we're starting to see shortages in some of the things that you need to complete the test. the reagents in order for people to get their test results back quickly. so those test times are now taking a little bit longer to get the results. but our testing has increased enormously. our capacity to do contact tracing has increased enormously. if you're looking for a culprit, what seems to have happened is that when we started to reopen, too many people heard that the coast is clear. and that is very unfortunate, because we have been attempting to get people back into some normal activity, but to do it with masks, while hand washing,

and social distancing. and what we have found through our contact tracing is that too many people were getting together, primarily in their homes, even in their backyards, but they were letting their guard down. and that seems to be really the primary culprit in the increase in the spread. so we are really working hard to get that message out of how important it is for people to take those personal precautions and take agency in order to prevent spread. >> look, i mean, there are a lot of different things we have to look at in this country right now, especially because you guys are all doing it on your own, basically. so you have like 50 different test cases going on. but california is different. it's a country in its own right just in terms of scale and scope and economic activity when it's up and going. and we have been following the testing, we know the efforts also, your resident, sean penn, what he did with those pop-up testing sites, working with the state. i introduced him to my brother in new york since it's such a

good moldel. we're watching the state, we wish you well going forward, you always have a platform to let us know your position. thank you for being on the show. >> thank you, chris. you have to poke at these things. why? because everything is going up so dramatically, you have to look at it, what has to be done better, what has to be done differently. one of the things i worry about as a covid survivor, i know i'm not supposed to say this, we don't have proof of what i'm going to say right now, i don't know that you can't get this again. i don't know that the antibodies -- too many people are losing the antibodies. i think all the time that i'm going to get sick again. in fact i know every day i haven't recovered yet. so i think this is a spooky thing that we don't understand and one of my next guests tested positive twice. she's not even 30.

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can you get sick twice? come on. you know everybody's thinking it. we're all worried about it. what's the chance of reinfection with coronavirus? after several accounts of people test positive more than once, is that about the testing, or is it about the way the viral load works, or is it about actually getting sick more than once? questions. ms. shelby hedgecock is a 29-year-old wellness coach. she tested positive twice. like me, and like many others, this is not about being exclusive, which is why i'm not storytelling it through myself, she is dealing with what a lot of people have, coronavirus-linked symptoms months after testing positive. shelby is here to share her journey. and we have of course chief doctor sanjay gupta. shelby, i have it right in terms of your experience, right?

>> 100%. today is actually day 90 for me, chris. >> how do you feel? >> not good. today has actually not been the best day. >> why? tell us. >> i'm having neurological issues, cognitive issues, trouble putting words together, which is so unlike me. my body hurts a lot. i can't work out, which i used to work out all the time, and any sort of overexertion just puts me into a relapse. >> what does that mean, a relapse? >> well, that's just what i kind of call it. basically it can put me in bed for two days. >> fever, or no? >> no fever. >> thank god. >> for me, at least. but there are some who do have fever. it's just all over the place. i'm insanely tired. and the headaches, oh, my gosh, the headaches are so bad. every day. every day. so my neurologist has now put me on a daily medication for

headaches. so we'll see how that goes. >> sanjay, when you hear shelby, i know you've heard stuff like this. shelby, the reason we wanted to much to bring her on the show, she's a wellness coach so she's created a little bit of community effect, she knows she's not the only one, she's finding strategies to cope. but let's start first with the uneven testing pattern, sanjay, before we get to the symptoms she's talking about. for her, it's april 20th, positive, may 9th, negative, may 21st, negative, may 21st, positive, same day. may 27th, negative. some are nasal, some are oral. what is the legitimacy on the testing? >> first of all, shelby, i know we're going to talk about this, but i feel for you, i can hear it in your voice and i really feel for you. the testing can be confusing. there's couple of things to keep in mind. first of all, you can get false negative tests with this, right? so you actually have the virus

but you're told that you're negative. >> why? >> was that the situation? possibly on may 9. you had the swab test, i take it, shelby. with that you basically -- >> she had both. she had both oral tests and nasal, sanjay. on the 21st, she is a negative oral and a positive nasal and she had a negative nasal a week later. >> can i say something quickly? >> go ahead, shelby. >> so i have heard that the oral tests aren't that great. and if that's the case, basically the whole state of california was doing oral tests since the beginning. and if that's the case, then there's a lot of people that have been walking around with a false sense of security for a long time. and that's a problem. >> sanjay? >> yeah, i mean, some of these tests, i mean, it depends which specific testing mechanism you're using. it's more about the type of test. the swab, whether it's the nose or the mouth, you know, they can

be pretty accurate but it depends on what the type of testing system you're using. one of them has about a 15 to 20% false negative rate. that means you had the virus but you were told you were negative. the other issue with this particular test, think of it like this. what they're trying to find is a little piece of genetic material of the virus, okay? that's what they're really looking for. you're not actually finding the virus itself, you're finding a little genetic material from the virus. they take that with the swab, use a reagent to remove the genetic material, then amplify it over and over again to see if they can get a detectable level. if they find it, it comes back positive, they say you have it. but it might just be a little bit of the genetic material, the debris. you have to correlate this with how someone's symptoms are, does it sort of make sense. obviously there can be people who are totally asymptomatic and still be carrying this. but the testing is not perfect. and i do worry, exactly, shelby,

what you're talking about, when you're dealing with a 15, 20% false negative rate, you could have a lot of people out there who are told they are negative when in fact they are not. >> do you think we're getting sick again? or do you think this is something about extended symptomology? >> well, so this is a good question. so leaving aside testing for a second, someone tests negative and then they test positive later on, i think maybe the explanation i gave could possibly explain that. we're not getting documented cases of reinfections as of yet, chris. it's not to say they won't come. we're still early days. you may remember in south korea there were some anecdotal reports. >> right. >> turns out it was probably more to do with what i just described, they were finding debris of the virus as opposed to the virus itself. we are seeing these reports now coming out of the uk saying after 20 to 30 days, people's antibody levels are going significantly down. if that were the case and people are losing they're immunity, i think now six months into this

we would be seeing significant amounts of reinfections and we really haven't. so you ask yourself, why is that? the antibodies go away, why are people not getting reinfected? it could have something to do with the fact that the body does develop a little bit of memory in terms of how they make antibodies, so even though you don't have antibodies, as soon as the body sees the virus, it makes antibodies very quickly in response to that. we don't know yet. we are all learning, and i want to be very humble in how i'm describing this. but that is some of the most current thinking. >> let's do this. shelby, we don't forget on this show -- well, i forget because i have covid brain. >> me too. >> but the team doesn't forget. so shelby, this is an ongoing conversation. i'm going to check in with you at least every week and i'll put you in touch with me so you can let me know what you're learning about others, how you're feeling, what's working, what isn't. frankly i want to know just for selfish purposes let alone for the edification of the journalism of it. this is ongoing because the pandemic is. and sanjay, as always, you are

the best. >> i'll come back too. >> you're always welcome, especially with those flowing locks, you're more attractive than ever. thank you both. come on, you know he has. so there are new poll numbers now. i remind you. what are polls? they're just a snapshot of a moment in time. but where we are right now connects dots with a trend line. the president's in trouble. that's why he's changing his campaign team, that's why he's trau trashing fauci. he's desperate. does he have reason to be? the wizard of oz, next.

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intrigue. the poll numbers can't be ignored. we bring in the wizard of odds. what do you see? >> i see a good looking man. what i see in the numbers is a take a look at this. two polls came out today from the "wall street journal." what do we see in the polls we see it in the wrong direction for the president. back in june both ot polls had single digit leads for joe biden. those have expanded to double digit. it's in the wrong direction for president trump. when the numbers are going in the wrong direction. you say good-bye to your campaign manager. >> the idea this is as bad as it can get for trump and he's not in that bad of shape. >> i disagree with that entirely. part of the reason why is why are the poll numbers going down? because of the coronavirus pandemic. look at at approval rating this

month vs. last month. it's dropping into the 30s. and that to me is a signal. this is the most important issue of the campaign. i said this is the most important issue. if the president is in the 30s there's no saying where the bottom is for the president. >> have you heard of a number like the one i say on a poll, that 50% of registered voters polled said they would not vote for for trump, period. >> not for an incumbent president of the united states. i have never seen a number like that. this is the worst since 1948 in truman. that won an election. these are horrible numbers. he's the only one who had gone onto win. jimmy carter and george hw bush went on and lost.

>> could the debates be game changers. >> probably not. i'm not sure they really will be. debates generally don't really shift a lot of things. part of the reason is because it's a referendum on the president's performance on virus pandemic. right now what we see is people think he's being actually unhelpful in actually helping out -- >> because he is. he's being unhelpful. he didn't wear a mask today at the airport. which the mayor says is a criminal offense. probably illegal. not criminal. anyway. two other factors, you always talk about the suburbs. what do you see now about why they matter and which way they are going? >> the suburbs always matter. that's the swing area in election. that is the area that tends to determine winners and losers. because it's in between the urban areas and rural. we're seeing across the country

as well as in a swing state like pennsylvania is the president is getting crushed. >> put up pennsylvania so people can see. >> the poll came out from pennsylvania earlier today. what did we see in that poll the president of the united states was trailing by ten points. and you compare that to where clinton was polling four years ago at this point and she was only up by two points and she was well below 50% and joe biden is above 50%. that's an indication the numbers are coming down from the national level and getting into the swing states. >> i miss you. thank you for coming on the show. thank you for helping us where we are today. >> i miss you too. you're looking healthy as you possibly could. >> make up and hair net. it works. i'll see you soon. we're coming right back. formula with mattifying clay...

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color? she brought up the fact she can never find a color that matched her skin when she drew. she asked her mom to raise $500 to make art supplies. $24,000 in less than a month. she wants to give them to schools so kids can color theps themselves the way they want to be that reflect reality. want to donate? go to go fund me.com. we are her as well. we're not just the worst we're often the best. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" right now. isn't that great? >> yes, it is great. it's great. there was -- congratulations. you are an amazing little girl and deserves everything. people ask -- what stories do you remember a story that touched you a will the or the most in