with him and who is now a psychologist. here's more of our in-depth interview now. >> my central criticism of your uncle is that he knows better. i do not ascribe to this notion of him as a stupid. the ability to know what is true and not true and how you deal with that, i think is obviously the commodity. and i think he is smart enough to know, and he says things anyway. and i wonder if that was your experience in the family, that he would say things -- it certainly the case with your lawsuit against him from 20 years ago. that's basically a breach of fiduciary duty, your lawsuit, that your uncle had a responsibility to be straight with you and they weren't and that's the lawsuit. in general was he known as somebody as the guy just doesn't tell you the truth? >> you know, i'm really glad

that you brought that issue up because i'm not at all saying that donald shouldn't be held accountable. he does on some levels know what he's doing. i think one of the reasons he's sort of unraveling a bit now is because what he's always done in the past that used to work isn't really working as effectively anymore. so it has him scrambling a bit. but, you know, knowing, not knowing, educated, not educated, ultimately it is irrelevant, l although in the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant to what's he's doing. that's what we need to focus on. >> the two go together. there's a conflation because he's acting on what he knows and doesn't know. i have to believe he knows masks

are helpful, i have to understand he knows we're in the middle of a pandemic and he just sees his best opportunities and ignoring that because that's bad for him. his problem is more of an ethical and a moral one, not an intellectual one. what's your take on that. >> yeah, i actually write about how easy it would have been for him to be the hero in this story. >> still could. as crazy as politics is and how short people's memories are, he could still be a hero by putting together a plan that puts this country in a better place. between now and november is a long time. continue. >> and you hit on something really important. he could theoretically but he can't constitutionally. it's not because he is rabidly

anti-science. it's because those things work for the narrative he needs to sp spin. so it would require him to admit in one way or another that he's made a mistake, a huge mistake that's cost many, many tens of thousands of lives. he can't do that. so all he's got left is creating division and that's a place in which he's very, very comfortable. >> you depict in many different ways and scenarios what the feeling about what donald trump's character was within the family. as a general assessment, how was he regarded? you said he was confident. he was certainly the favorite child, but on these kind of primary color issues, you know, credibility, compassion, good person, bad person, families talks. what was the rap on him? >> when i was growing up? >> yeah.

>> none of those were ever issues in my family. never. >> you mean they weren't relevant considerations? >> that's right. my grandfather was running the show and they were totally irrelevant considerations to him so they didn't matter to them either. >> a little cold blooded there. >> yes, quite. >> what was that like for you? >> you know, again, when you're growing up in an atmosphere like that, it's very hard to understand that it's not normal or that it's dysfunctional or aberrant in any way. i wouldn't have thought anything of it necessarily, but on the other hand i did witness particularly how it affected my dad. and even though i didn't understand it at the time, i certainly understand it now. and being in a family that did

not value the things we were just talking about and also not being able to subscribe to them, not being able to be the killer, not being able to be the person who is uncaring or unflinching, it was brutal. >> your father passed at a young age, 42, i believe, yes? >> yes. >> and the president has referred to him having struggles. he usually talks about it in terms of alcohol. did he have a compassionate relationship with your father in terms of his addiction? >> no. no, he wouldn't have. my dad's alcoholism, which, you know, has a very significant genetic component and his disease was looked upon as a weakness and a moral failing,

you know, a failure of character. so there was no compassion. >> did they have a close relationship ever in your life? >> no. and part of that is the age difference. they were seven and a half years apart. i know that doesn't always mean that brothers can't be close, but they were really living very different lives, you know, by the time -- when donald was in high school my dad was married already with kids. and when donald was in college, my dad was flying so, you know, their paths crossed certainly but i wouldn't say they were close. i'm not entirely sure donald's capable of being truly emotionally close with anybody. >> two criteria questions in terms of why you approach this the way you do. the president and people around him have a pretty straight line analysis on you, which is she's out to get him, she's never liked him, she's the odd ball in the family and this is about

bitterness, she's upset about her dad and what happened with the lawsuit. are those fair criticisms that you don't like donald trump for reasons that are personal to you and you are projecting them on to him as a president? >> no. am i upset with how my dad was treated in the family? of course. i mean, i was 16 when he died and nobody in the family made an effort to compensate for that in any way, so that was hard. i'm not entirely sure anyone wouldn't be upset that her uncles and aunts, who were also her trustees misrepresented things so, you know, the financial arrangement we reached was essentially fraudulent. i think anybody would be upset

about that. as i said, this is not a vendetta, this is not revenge, this is not a settling of scores. if donald had continued to be a private citizen, we wouldn't be having this conversation. you know, you've seen what's been going on with covid-19, you've seen what's been going on with racial strife in this country, the problems are getting exacerbated every day. we are in serious trouble here, and a large part of that is because donald is incapable of leading and he's being enabled by people who apparently are only interested in using him towards their own ends, and i'm afraid that those ends are not the best interests of this country. >> one of the things that is most interesting to me about you

as the writer is of course everybody will seize upon the fact that you're family and you know this man. yes, that's interesting to me. but more interesting to me is that you are family, you know this man and you are a clinician. i get suggestions all the time from people in the therapeutic community, they're psychologists, they're really well pedigreed people, i never have them come on the show and talk about the president because they don't know him, they don't have access to people around him. they're purely speculating. you're different. you're a clinician who actually knows the person we're talking about. when you look at him through that lens of psychology and how you would frame this individual, what would that diagnosis be? what would that insight be? how would you describe him in psychological terms? >> you know, i don't directly

diagnose him in the book because, as i said earlier, there is a point at which it's irrelevant. you know, we need to deal with the problems that are being caused by his behaviors. >> yes, except one thing, mary. i agree with you, you're making a larger, more virtuous point than i am, but i'm thinking politics and you're thinking humanity. in politics, understanding a person is fundamental to a voter. they will go over to feel over fact nine times out of ten. i just like mary's face better than cuomo's, i just like the sound of her voice. she just seems smarter than he does. doesn't matter all those things happen to be true, but even if they weren't true, in politics it matters. >> right. >> the president benefits greatly from traits of his being ascribed as strengths when to me they scream out as weaknesses.

you no who he is at his core when there is no camera around and the people who have been around him in his formative stages. give some context to me about what that means to you as a clinician. >> the simplest way i could put it, which may be one of the more effective ways to put it is that donald is a psychologically deeply damaged man based on his upbringing and the situation with his parents. he is not going to get better, and he is without question going to get worse. >> why is he going to get worse? he's already in his 70s. isn't he kind of fully cooked? >> well, it depends on what you mean. in terms of his character, yes. his habits, yes, because i don't think he's interested in

changing them but, no. i mean, illnesses untreated deteriorate over time. >> so not just damage, you think he's got sickness? >> yeah, i do. and i think, you know, a lot of people have diagnosed him and, you know, without knowing him personally but, you know, there is plenty of evidence to support some of those diagnoses, and he's untreated, he's not interested in being treated, he has no insight, he has no psychological awareness of his situation and, again, one of the most devastating things is that people who claim to care for him aren't helping him. if they truly cared for him, the last place in the world they would want him to be is the oval

office. and yet they do nothing. >> the clinicians always use the term narcissist, but can't that apply to just about anybody and anything? why do you think that attaches to him? >> well, there's the colloquial sense in which we mean narcissism, which means full of one' se on one's self. >> he is a politician. they're rarely about everybody else all the time. >> yes, but he didn't just become this way, whenever he started being a politician, i'm not sure because he's run for president many times. but he's been this way since he was a teen-ager at least. so it's not as if there is new evidence to support the diagnosis. but again, i think that when you're looking at somebody's

pathologies, it's not just how they come across, it's also how it affects them and their day-to-day functioning. so although, again, that's also hard to suss out because he's, as i say in the book, institutionalized to some degree. he's protected by the fact that he doesn't really need to live in or support himself in the real world. >> and how does that change the analysis stream? >> it just makes it very difficult to see how his functioning is affected because the context in which he's functioning is so small. you know, he doesn't have to negotiate the real world like the rest of us do. and, quite honestly, he never really has had to. he's gone from my grandparents' house to my grand father's business to the trump organization to the oval office and those have all been fairly

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so why now? why not during the campaign? it's a big question about the timing of mary trump's book, going public with this blistering account of what he is in a way that nobody else could really tell us until now. so what's her answer? here it is. >> what is your biggest concern? >> that he be allowed to continue unfettered throughout this extraordinary confluence of crises we're facing at the moment and that do not seem at all to be improving and, in fact, every day seem to be getting worse. it's very, very concerning and i truly hope that the american people see it that way and, you know, make the right choice when we're able to make that choice in november. >> is it hard for you to say this about your uncle?

>> it's not something i -- let's put it this way, i wish i didn't have to, but somebody's got to say it and i believe that i'm the only person in my family who is willing to, and i'm one of the few people who has the insight in order to be able to. >> how do they feel about what you did? >> i don't know. i haven't spoken to anybody. i can only speculate based on donald's statement. i would guess they're not happy about it, but -- >> well, there was the lawsuit to try to stop the book. >> yeah. >> that was brought by your other uncle, not by the president. >> right. >> do you believe the president was aware of the legal effort and in favor of it? >> oh, i believe he was the driving force behind it. >> they just had somebody else

carry the ball. >> yes. and that's exactly what happened 20 years ago. >> now that's important. it's not fair for you to say they're not talking to you because they're mad because you just pissed off the whole family by writing the book. you had already had a major break with the family 20 years ago. >> right. >> when you say because you're the only one who would do it, is that because you share an opinion about donald trump that the rest of the family doesn't? >> i think most importantly it's because i'm not afraid of him, and i don't feel loyalty in a way they may. because i believe that loyalty is a two-way street and i don't see the benefit in pledging loyalty to somebody who would never pledge a loyalty to me.

so, you know, i'm unhindered by either of those considerations but much more importantly, you know, that's not enough of a reason to be doing this. it simply means that i'm free to. the reason to do it is because of the incredible seemingly out of control crisis we're in the midst of. >> why didn't you do it when he was running? >> i thought about it. i thought about it long and hard, but there were three crucial reasons. one is there was absolutely no reason for me to think it would make a difference. there's a concept called learned helplessness, and it runs very deep in my family when you just sort of feel trapped by circumstances and no sense of empowerment at all or sense that anything you do would matter.

so there was that. >> so what changed about that? >> well, most importantly what changed is that thanks to suzanne craig, without whom none of this would have happened and russ butner, i finally had something concrete. before the election it would have been my opinion, my assessment, my complaining, my being bitter, wanting revenge, what have you. after "the new york times" article, like i had solid proof that there was something concretely wrong with his behavior and things he had done. and that made an extraordinary difference in not my willingness certainly but my ability to feel like i could make a difference. >> what does it mean to you that there is a good chance that his base will disregard the book

completely? i know it's selling like crazy, but there are plenty of people in this country who have an appetite, an insatiable appetite to are negative things about the president, but his base will likely dismiss it. what does that tell you about the power that your uncle does have over people? >> you know, i think that that base exists regardless of who's in the white house, and i never thought for a second that i could sway any of those people's opinions. i mean, after everything this country's gone through if, you know, charlottesville didn't change their minds, if kids being kidnapped from their parents and caged on the border didn't change their minds, i mean, the list is endless and could go on. and now we look at the fact that tens of thousands of people are

dying because there's no federal leadership and people aren't being asked to do the most simple thing to save their lives and the lives of other americans. there's absolutely nothing i could say that would change their minds. >> the idea that when the stuff happened at the border -- not the wall stuff fan that was an obvious and easy political play for your uncle. the kids in the cages, he said he didn't like it. he said it would stop and then we wound up reporting out information that they were doing just the opposite. and that messed with my theory that he knows better and that there is a human being in there, which means there is somebody in there who has compassion, it just selective to his own interests. but then i read your book and you say, no, no, no, i remember the guy dropping the "n" word in my house, this is a guy who's

had bigoted feelings. i had given him the benefit of the doubt that he was a demagogue but not a bigot. you say no, you've heard him use language and express ideas that are bigoted period. >> oh, yeah. to me that's one of the least surprising things here. you know, to be frank about it, what's worse? he is endangering through his rhetoric and through his actions the lives of african-americans in this country every day. >> and you think he does so with animus, that he has a problem with black people? >> yes. also, he thinks it will work with his base. it's operating on both levels. >> but you believe it's in his heart as well. it's not just in his head as i need these people to vote for me, let me just say what i want them to say. >> yes, it not ju's not just a that's true. >> how did that go over in the

family, that kind of talk. was that just a vibe in the trump household? >> yeah, you grew up in queens. you know there were some neighborhoods, jamaica states being one of them, it was like 100% white and probably until the 60s 100% christian. there was no tolerance for difference. when the first italian american family moved into the neighborhood, it was a scandal and my grandfather was horrified by it. so, yeah, it was the atmosphere in which we grew up. >> that's why we were all over in holliswood, across 188th street. >> that's why i'm extremely grateful i grew up in jamaica, which was a world away from jamaica states. >> so you're not surprised he has taken these, whether it charlottesville, that's not just political opportunism, you're

saying the guy's a racist, he has a problem with them. >> yeah. the only thing that's shocking is so many people don't think that's a line they can cross. it so disturbing. >> there were stories about him when we were investigating him years ago about his net worth that he had the same kinds of prejudices with jewish people as well, that that's how had to count his money and notions like that that we had largely dismissed because we felt like that can't be true. you're saying, no, there's a character flaw in there. >> i'm saying that it was perfectly acceptable in my family, starting with my grandfather to have those ideas about difference. it wasn't tolerated, it wasn't valued and it certainly wasn't respected. >> now, to the extent that you can be wrong, you can't be wrong about something that's your opinion because it how you feel. one of the things that made headlines is you say you were told very often a story about

him cheating on his s.a.t.s, having somebody else take them. the man in question, mr. shapiro passed away in 1999. is that wrong? >> yeah, because i don't believe that's the george shapiro we're talking about. >> because there's someone else because he has a widow nailed pam shriver. she said it can't be him because they didn't meet until they were in college. >> i feel awful that pam shriver has had to be bombarded with this question. if you look at the timeline, it impossible they met at penn. donald needed someone to take the sats when he was at fordham in order to get into penn. the other thing that's been dismissed is the fact that in new york city the name joe shapiro isn't exactly unique. >> fair point.

but the inability to prove it, why is that not a discounting factor for you? >> well, it was a story i'd been told. and like any other family, you know, stories are passed down and that's why even though i wasn't there at the time, you know, i can vouch for it because i trust my source, who was somebody close to donald. i have no reason to make that story up. the book would have been just fine without it, but it does speak to his character and that this has been part of his character all along, or at least since he was a teen-ager. so i think it's time to start asking my family that question directly. >> all rigre his followers comi after you? >> no. no, not so far. >> i hope that continues.

mark meadows is now the chief of staff. he was a long-time congressman obviously. he says the racist thing that can't be. i've been around him for years, i've never heard him use that language. your response? >> that's so unlikely that i find it difficult to take at face value. i'm not entirely sure why mark meadows would say anything other than that. >> if he wants his job, i don't know why he would either. >> of course. >> last question. if you could speak directly to your uncle, what would you say? >>. >> he needs to resign. it's in-- in addition to being table f terrible for the country, it's bad for hill. he needs to step down and let us

start the very difficult work ahead of us of trying to right the wrongs and reestablish or reconnect to who we want to be going forward, and we cannot do that with donald in the oval office. >> when he says but they love me, i had 60 something million people vote for me, it's just the democrats and the media trying to kill me but the silent majority is for me, mary, i'm like the biggest thing ever in the republican party. >> well, let's just say for the sake of argument that 2016 was an anomaly in all sorts of ways and we can't really litigate that at the moment. but right now it seems pretty obvious that people are not showing him the real polls, you know, they're not being straight with him about his performance in head to heads with joe biden in certain swing states and he's

being allowed to believe what he needs to believe. >> mary trump, i have to say that this is -- everything about this administration has been highly unorthodox, and the kind insight coming from somebody who does the kind of work you do about the character and nature of the president of the united states is truly a unique offering. i appreciate you doing it. i'm sure thatisn't easy and it not going to be easy going forward but i appreciate you taking the time to discuss your experience and your book with us. >> chris, thank you so much. this was really great. thank you. >> remarkably candid mary trump, who just has a very tough basis of experience to match. and there may be more insight into the president's psyche tonight from something that's just happened inside the walls of the white house. just when you think you've seen everything, wait until you see this next. hike!

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psychologically damaged. remember, she's a psychologist. and says he's going to get worse. now, we can't speak to that, but we can speak to the pettiness when it comes to trump and some actual portraits. let's go over to caitlyn collins at the white house. here we are on a friday night. what's happening with presidential paintings? >> reporter: i mean, this is probably one of the more stunning stories that you're going to hear out of the trump administration, chris, but my colleague jeff zeleny has learned when you walk into the white house, they normally have the two portraits of the most recent presidents hanging up. right now that's bill clinton and george w. bush because barack obama's has been been unveiled yet. we've learned the trump white house has had those portraits are not longer there and they've been moved to the old family

dining room. if you're not familiar with how the white house is laid out, it's a room that visitors to the white house do not go to and right now they're storing old furniture and tablecloths in it and they replaced the ones in the foyer with a portrait of presidents mckinley and roosevelt. so we asked the white house why these portraits were moved and why is this happening right now in the middle of a pandemic with so much going on? they did not get back to us with a request for comment but it's just really striking because we've heard so far from john bolton in his book about just how much president donald trump despised george w. bush. we know his feelings on bill clinton. when the president would host state leaders like he did with the mexican president last wednesday or when he would come down from the third floor of the

residence, he would see these pictures. now they've been moved to this room where very few people go and they are no longer in the president's point of view. it just really striking he would take the time and effort to move these pictures out of a very prominent viewing space in the white house and put of two pictures of presidents who served so long ago. >> now, anything about why the two replacements? teddy roosevelt, we heard trump talk about him a little bit. william mckinley, he was a 20-something president assassinated. why him? >> reporter: that's what's so unclear. he put pool who sferved long ag. teddy roosevelt, the president has an affinity for hill. mckinley, it's not clear why he put his picture in there and it striking he moved president

clinton and george w. bush out of prominent view. it speaks to not only the folk news the white house, the president had zero events dedicated to covid-19 this week, clearly they were moving pictures around. the fact that the white house didn't comment on it, even though we asked them probably several hours ago for something to say, they said nothing. i think that probably says more than if they had given a statement. >> yes. often the lack of an answer gives you the greatest insight. as we know, if there had withbe plan, if it was about something, if there was a good answer, they would have one. thank you very much on a friday night. did not see this coming. don't know why it is coming. i could think of a hundred other things that could be coming. but thankfully it's coming from you. i appreciate it, be well and thank you. >> of course. >> so, you know, this is where we are. right? desperate for a plan, the task

force is putting out guidance for state that's being hidden. the mask messaging all over the place, guidance for states all over the place. so what, what do we do now? we have to stay focused on what matters. you have to cover what happens with the president. we have to show you what he's about and what he's not about. if there's one thing we all agree on, we want to protect our first responders, semifinespeci during a pandemic, right? even the president applauds the health care workers, put signs in yard. i love when they were shaking the bells at 7:00 and bonking their horns. but what have we not seen? as covid cases, as deaths soar, the front line workers are getting beat up the worst. they're still in need of ppe in places, masks, gowns, gloves.

but what about the mental health of these workers? so much death, stress, hopelessness? we don't talk about it enough. that is a mistake. this is important to our next guest, dr. ester chu, professor of health at oregon university. it good to have you, welcome to "primetime." >> thank you, chris. it's nice to be with you. >> first the realness of the issue. we know we live in a society where it's don't be so sad, get over it, toughen up. what is the reality of the mental health as it is affecting people on the front lines of this pandemic? >> i appreciate this discussion. i mean, i recognize in regular times mental health care is a problem for health care workers. it it's extremely common but we have this contract of stoicism

and it not okay to say you need professional help. we pretend care only goes in one direction, to the health care providers outward and not in this direction. there's a lot of reasons for that. a lot of them are just contraul, and there have been professional consequences to saying you've had mental health care. that's kind of the background to this. and then we go into covid-19 where we've had to face stress at work on a level that we haven't seen in our entire careers, where there's so much uncertainty, where there's such grave illness and death and stress and isolation. we're constantly terrified about getting the disease or bringing it back to our families. we can't ignore this issue. we can't pretend to be invincib invincible. as this rages on month after month, we can't pretend to be heros all the time. >> so one of the cases that brought this into very sharp

focus was that of dr. lorena breen, new york city doctor, new york presbyterian, in manhattan, a star, star. everybody loved her, checked every box of greatness, rose to the challenge uniquely. mental health, mental illness, succumbed, commits suicide. her family, loved ones say, no, no, if this can happen to her, it's something we need to take way more seriously, trying to get legislation down and they're trying to have a big effort to let dr. grebreen's death be a warning for so many. context for you? >> you know, dr. breen was an emergency medicine physician. my field is very small. i know many of her friends and know her department well. it's a little hard for me to

talk about her death and of course without knowing her, i don't know exactly the circumstances that led to her suicide. i don't think any of us ever will, but i will say that we set up a perfect storm for people to experience severe depression, to have suicidal thoughts without much help. you know, 30% of medical students experience depression by the time they've graduated. 30% of residents experience depression by the time they're done with their training. the vast majority of physicians don't seek help even when they recognize that they need it because of the things that we've talked about and then when you do admit that you need help, when you take leave for this one particular type of health care need, which is really, you know, mental health is just health, mental health care is just health care -- >> people don't think of it that way. >> they do not. >> we have to own the reality

also. dr. breen, she was worried about herself, but there's a stigma, especially in your field, somewhat ironic but real. i've covered it in other cases. >> real. >> i can't be telling other people. this is going to hurt my career advancement. i have to take the pressure. i have to be the healer. i can't be the sick so i don't say anything. that would never be true if she had diabetes, type one diabetes, you'd come out, say it, get your monitor and boom, life on the mend. how do we change in. >> that's right. you go out for surgery and you go out with flowers and well wishes. you go out for mental health issues and nobody says a thing. i have to applaud you for talking about your own mental illness, having you state it plain as day is the kind of thing we need to do.

it's not say hold on a second, i'm going to tell you really awful, just talk about it like we might talk about another experience. you talked about your experience with coronavirus and with the same tone you talked about your experience with clinical depression. >> it does not go over well, by the way. it allows your enemies -- it's a great joke line, right? ah, now what he says makes a lot more sense, the guy's crazy. i saw that coming. i come from a business and a life of conivance. i don't want that experience for my kids. as i go to therapy to try to get my body back, i go to therapy to try to get my mind right again because i don't see them the right way, the same way i don't understand why my lungs aren't

recovering the same way. not you in emergency medicine, i hope, but you're going to see a lot of mental health attributes of people who have that tail of the tornado of a virus. i'm lucky enough to have a clinician to say, man, you've got some heavy mood stuff, let's look at your blood. imagine if that was the protocol in place for dr. breen, that there was like if you had a back problem. i have these mood swings, man, i feel like it's just darkness. you better go get some therapy right away. we need to get there. >> that's exactly it. we should expect it. there was a study down where at the peak of their surge they showed that health care workers -- 50% of them almost reported depression as they were working in the hospital as new york city was surging. 30% of them reported anxiety

symptoms. i don't think we should treat it as you might have these sim tol -- tim i mean, look, it's as simple as this. if you weren't wearing those funky shoes already and people said fallen arches, we have to get you in the right shoes so you can do the job. you have to treat this the same exact way. i promised the family, myself, i will not let the issue go. i will talk about it all the time in every manifestation. thank you for what you're doing. thank you for healing us and taking this issue on. god bless. you're always welcome. >> thank you. all right. we're going to delve into

another overlook concern. the toll it's taking on our minority communities in america. i argue the pandemic and social justice is a conflation. there's a combination. dr. fauci, the most credible man in america has weighed in from a medical perspective. the reality and from a societal perspective, we'll speak to a valued voice in the white house. w. kamau bell. thinking about your financial plan...

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w. kamau bell, always ready to embrace if you have conversations on the cnn original series, "united shades of america." more important now than ever. the nation finds itself in the grip of racial disparities, inherent injustice, coronavirus, which plays on the same themes. you have protests over police brutality, but the virus mirrors the injustice. kamau was kicking off his fifth

season with a unique look at white supremacy and institutional racism in america. here's a taste. >> as soon as we walked in the door, they would follow us. i said be really careful. and i pointed out the store detective because we're always being watched. >> i remember that less on and it stays with me today, so much so that i'm aware in stores, even as a fully grown adult, where my hands were. and as a kid i was aware of it because i didn't want to be arrested. and now i've become aware of it because i don't want to be killed. >> yeah. >> man, that is heartbreaking, brother bell, to hear the ease with which you speak with a loved one about i could get killed now if it goes the wrong way and the answer is yeah. i mean, we got to do better than this. and we see it in the pandemic also. who's getting sick more? poor, brown.

who's dying more? poor, brown. who has to work more? poor, brown. it's social justice. how do you take it on? >> let's be honest about the fact that people getting sick and poor brown folks are saying the business folks. the system is designed to make sure they get sick. the system is built on top of us. this is how the system is designed to work. we have to invest in tearing the system down if you want change. >> hope. where did you find it? >> i was in therapy this morning. i want to support the therapy conversation this morning. #black man in therapy. i wouldn't have had three kids if i didn't have hope. i thought i was going to do it now but i'm going to do all i can. >> you have the perfect program. i must say i was blown away the

first time you were talking with the white hate guys. where do you get the ease of candy and sitting across from somebody who you know hates what you are? >> on some level i know i don't believe their reasons for hating me. that's where it starts. the thing you hate me for is not real. so, i'm not going to buy into it. now, if there's a threat of physical violence, my blood pressure goes up. but i don't believe the thing you want me to believe about myself. and i know the longer i'm quiet, the more you'll surprise yourself and we'll get to a real conversation. >> beautiful. i love to watch it in action. so, you hear mary trump. no reason to not believe this. everything comes out in her faith. she doesn't like the president. you can be okay with that or not. but he is a bigot, she says. and i say all the time.

don beats me up about this on and off tv. i think he's a demagogue. he says you're wrong. i've heard him use the "n" word and he believes bad things about people different from him. how do we get change when the man at the top may be a bigot who doesn't believe in the movement? >> you can be a demagogue and a bigot. so, i'm on both sides of the conversation. but i think we have to focus on the system. we have an opportunity to help out and even if trump stays, we have to focus on the system. the system putting secret police in portland to pull protesters off the streets. that system was in place before trump got here. we have to focus on changing the system, which is about protests, organization and activism. >> i've always been a fan, i love what you're doing. it's a show someone my age needs to watch and encourage my kids to watch.

it's that good, that important. and that is all because of you. a man meets the moment he's in. you're meeting it. the best to you and the kids. be sure to tune in. all new season of "united shades of america" this sunday, 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only on cnn. thank you for watching. look at the time. look at you right on time. >> about five or six seconds. that's good. i don't beat you up, do i? >> like a pinata. >> he said i called you both sides. >> my favorite thing they don't get enough to see. you do it sometimes on tv but not enough. come on, come on. if you want me to talk, i will but you can't be nose to nose with me and say come on. >> how much do you want to talk about what y