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welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. to our viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you so much for sharing your sunday. the coronavirus shattered records this past week, including new daily highs in the counts of new infections globally and here in the united states. hospitalizations hitting new highs in more than a dozen states here. yet it has been 12 days now since the president of the united states held an event focused on coronavirus, and this big summer surge. and the trump white house is now fighting a proposal by senate republicans to give the cdc more money for testing and contact tracing. an adviser tells "the washington post," the president doesn't ask much about the pandemic anymore, because he, get this, quote, doesn't want to be distracted by it. doesn't want to be distracted by it. keep that in mind as we run through the numbers now and map out a crisis that is screaming for presidential leadership and a national plan to slow the spread. let's go back and look at the numbers, we have 50 states with 50 reopening plans, 32 on this sunday morning heading in the

wrong direction, meaning their case count is higher this week than last week. that's an improvement. we have 32 heading up now, those are the orange. the red heading up by 50% currently than compared to last week. 14 states holding steady. that's the yellow or the base. four states case count down compared to last week. but 32 states still heading up there. this past week just devastating. if you go back to the beginning, this is what we thought the peak was in april. saw it flat line, a dip. look at the past week, a week ago, 59,000 new cases on sunday, thursday, all time high, 77,000 plus. the line heading up in the wrong direction as the summer surge continues. we'll look in the week ahead. the seven-day average of new cases, again, march as it began, april, many thought would be the peak, may and june stable, down a little bit from april, july has seen this surge averaging in the last week more than 71,000 new cases a day. and with the case count comes

hospitalizations. again, back in april, this was the peak, shy of 60,000 people in the hospital of coronavirus. a steady drop, we're back up now almost, almost rivalling the april peak. we will see if this number goes up or down in this week ahead. 15 states, you see them here, 15 states have more than a thousand covid-19 patients hospitalized right now to a hospitalization problem coming with the casing. remember, remember when the reopening happened. the reopening happened, you had the inevitable increase in cases, the president, other leaders said that's okay. hospitalizations are going down. we can manage this. we knew there would be more cases, we can manage this. there is a lag time. you have hospitaizations, cases, hospitalizations lag. 27 days later, you see hospitalizations now starting to go up. that is the problem now in many communities. we'll discuss that in the hour ahead. the white house well aware of this growing crisis. even if the president refuses to acknowledge it. a document prepared for the coronavirus task force puts 18 states in a red zone. and says they should roll back

their reopenings. but that document has not been made public. and we know the president wants the economies left open. that document also urges several states to enact mask mandates. the president opposes a national mask requirement. >> i want people to have a certain freedom and don't believe in that, no. i don't agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask, everything disappears. dr. fauci said don't wear a mask. our surgeon general, terrific guy, said don't wear a mask. everybody was saying don't wear a mask. all of a sudden everybody has to wear a mask and masks causes problems too. with that being said, i'm a believer in mafbsks, i think mas are good. >> when the president speaks, a lot of that is misleading. masks do not cause problems. dr. fauci and the surgeon general did say months ago masks were not recommended, but they now say they are vital to slowing the spread. the president who right there called himself a big believer in masks almost never wears one. kaitlan collins is live this

sunday. the president's philosophy seems to be if i pretend the coronavirus is not happening, it will go away. >> reporter: and the question is, that's obviously not working based on the charts you showed us. those are the same numbers that the coronavirus task force is looking at when they meet several times a week. so the question is, why is this no longer a priority for the president, why are they no longer doing events as you saw in march, in april, and instead this week the president's schedule could have been his schedule if there was not a pandemic going on. he did not hold a single event dedicated to covid-19, john, and instead helped several other events on deregulation, on ms 13 briefing, several other things that the president did, he even went to atlanta to give a speech on infrastructure and didn't visit the cdc while he was there. something that even several aides who work in the white house said could have been such an easy stop for the president to make since he had already flown down to georgia, but his schedule reflects his priorities. his aides would put an event on the schedule if the president was talking about it and if he

wanted to see it, yet we did not see any of that materialize this week and he's actually not held a covid-19 dedicated event since the tuesday before that when they sat down with chancellors and other school administrators to talk about reopening schools and have instead continued that push. and clearly the american people are taking notice that the president seems to be tuning out what is going on because 60% of people in that abc/"washington post" poll say they disapprove to how the president reacted so far and strongly disapprove of president's reaction. the question is do they change course going forward what are they trying to do to get the president to pay more attention to this and several aides have weighed bringing back the daily briefings where the president was often at the helm for hour on end taking questions and talking with the health experts. but there are other people inside the white house who do the not think that's a good idea. the last time he was in the briefing room taking questions for us in the co-rvid-19 sense,e

was talking about using disinfectants like bleach to try to create the coronavirus. the question is going forward what he's going to do and if it is too late for him to now start trying to make it a priority. >> excellent question. is it too late, if he does shift and will he shift? he's been stubbornly refusing to. kaitlan collins, thank you. florida a hot spot, the miami area right now the epicenter of that state's alarming surge. miami beach, miami-dade county and neighboring broward county all imposed new curfews this weekend. miami-dade trends take a look here are alarming. positivity rate, 27%. ventilators in use, 36%. the 122% capacity of icu beds. miami mayor frances soares with us. you're quoted in this "new york times" piece. you say people follow leaders, people follow the people who are

supposed to be the leaders. second part there, supposed to be the leaders. how much is your crisis in miami, how much of it can you tie back to the white house and the way the president handled this? >> well, public rule is a good example. and been urging the president to issue a public rool for tule fo state and the nation. there is a portion of our city that will only listen to him. i think it is important that they lead in moments like this. this san opportunity for the president in an election year to basically lean into this crisis and show leadership and i think that's what mayors across the country had to do because there hasn't been guidance from the cdc in terms of what to do with this resurgence. and so we had to cobble together our own experts, you know, talk to hospital administrators, talk to hospital administrators three times a week, i talked to my

epidemiologist and biostatisticians and talking to the business community and explain to them how dire the situation is how we may have to make some very difficult decisions in the coming days. it would be great if we had a uniformity of message all the way up and down from an urban city like ours all the way through to, you know, to the president, of course. >> you talk about the difficult decisions you have to make in the coming days, you're talking about rolling back the reopening. there is a curfew in place. florida, state wide in florida, newly confirmed de eed deaths. cases will go up, and hospitalizations started to go up and now deaths start to go up, sadly. one thing in florida, you test this, the question is you do more testing, you want to get numbers down to say, hey, people can go back to work, go to restaurants, because there is not community spread. you look at the florida positivity number, 20%, higher in your community. in those conversations with the business community, are you saying another day or three of this, we have to shut down?

>> yeah, we're telling them that, you know, things continue and this continues to be unmanageable, we have to make some restrictions. we have taken strict remediation measures, there is a county wide curfew. we implemented a mask in public rule. we just eliminated the warning for mask in public, so a fine accumulating. we have close indoor dining, the county has. there are remedial measures and we have to give it time to see if the remediation measures work. we have seen some flattening, 50% reduction in increase of new cases. our percent positive rate which you just cited has flattened over the last week. used to be 1% per day increase and now it is flattened to almost zero.

and our hospital admissions have stabilized over the last few days. that's a small sample size of data. our experts are asking us to enforce this week and to stay the course and that's what our hospital administrator and epidemiologists have told us to do and that's what we do this week. understanding that we are sort of on the precipice. >> on the precipice as you say, which is sad. we're asking the same questions we were asking in march and early april about testing, about if you have hospital beds available. you mentioned the curfew, we saw some evidence that foot traffic was down a little bit. this is from our friends at cubic looking at anonymous cell phone data. if you go back to june 10th, you saw 63% of people foot traffic at restaurants was at 63% of where it was a year ago. getting back to where it was a year ago. now it dropped to about 47% so it is about half of what it was a year go. down in just the last couple of weeks. if you move it over here, this is foot traffic at bars. this was troubling to you. you got around june 10th, miami, ft. lauderdale area, around 70% of where things were a year ago.

now dropped down to 57%. that trend is heading in the right direction. you get people out of the places, mr. mayor, where you have these large spread events if you will. do you need to push those numbers down lower? >> look, you know, like you said that is positive, you know, data. we're looking at all the data and i would love for your producers to accepted s ts to can get the cell phone data. i would love to see that, to be more targeted in terms of the remediation measures we're taking. so, yes, the answer is yes. of course. we want to reverse all these trends, go from an increase positivity rate to a downward sloping positivity rate and we're getting close to that, but we haven't gotten there yet. the only thing we have seen able to do that is the stay-at-home order and that's one of the reasons why we have never been able to take this off the table. the second thing is the percent positive rate is incredibly important in our community because that's an indication of how widespread the disease is. that's incredibly important.

that cell phone data you cite, i would love to see it. that is -- that is something we can use to target a lot of the stuff we do runs to some level of privacy restrictions. hipaa, you know, in terps ms of getting medical information from the department of health. whatever data you can send my way, i'd appreciate it. >> we'll work on that. i wish you the best in the weeks ahead. it is sad that more than five months in, i wish you the best of luck in the days and weeks ahead. the summer surge part of the first coronavirus wave. fresh problems with testing and dire warnings about the fall and the winter. i'm not hungry!

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understand the coronavirus summer surge. the first case was confirmed on january 21st. it would take 79 days, 11 weeks plus, for the case count to hit 465,000. last week alone look at that number, in just seven days, 465,488 new infections confirmed right here in the united states. >> it is just functioning on adrenaline. this is a really serious problem. it is truly historic. we haven't even begun to see the end of it yet. until you get it completely under control, it is still going to be a threat. >> i am worried. i do think the fall and the winter of 2020 and 2021 will be in one of most difficult times we experienced in american public health. >> with us this sunday to share their expertise and insights, dr. ashish jha and dr. megan ranney. you hear dr. fauci and dr. redfield, they get it, they

get it. we know about this white house coronavirus task force document that is not to be made public, others get it, dr. jha, to you first, as we have this conversation, i'm asking questions, i was asking in march and april again, 27 states, we can show you a map, now beginning to roll back because the governors and the mayors in these states can count. they see what is happening in the case count, this he see what is happening in hospitalizations and yet they're rolling back. the white house objects to the senate republican push for more cdc money for coronavirus testing and contact tracing. now, if it were a house democratic proposal, you might say it is just politics. these are senate republicans trying to get more money for testing and tracing. how can you oppose that? >> yes, good morning, john, thank you for having me back on. it is baffling. it is baffling. look, the governors are starting to roll back because what they're seeing is people in their own states rolling back. we're seeing very clear data, people are not going out to restaurants in the same way.

people are not -- people are not heading out as much as they were before. people are voting with their feet and the governors are taking notice. in terms of the federal government, and the opposition to testing and tracing, it is one thing when they leave it to states and say we're not going to help, but when they basically decide that they're going to oppose supporting states, it gets beyond me, i no longer understand what the strategy is coming out of the white house. >> and dr. ranney, one of the problems now is you can get a test and by the time you get the results it might be ouseless to you because of the delay. for a normal person who gets test, you're waiting five to seven days, we're limited in how quickly we can add capacity, global supply constraints continue to be an issue, there is limited surging demand in the united states and globally. how can this be true, five

months in, that, number one, some people are taking a test and it is useless by the time they get the results because it is dated and we're talking about the supply lines. >> it is mystifying. dr. jha and i have been talking for months now about the need to ramp up production of testing. there is no way we can get this virus under control if we can't offer tests not just to everyone who is systematic, everyone who has a sore throat, fever, cough, but also to a random sample of people who are asymptomatic because we know this virus can spread before or without ever having symptoms. we have been asking for increased production within the united states so that we're able to count on domestic manufacturers and here we are with commercial labs running out of capacity again, in my home state of rhode island, we're seeing wait times grow, we're seeing the positivity rates grow across the country. it is truly inexcusable. this is a national disaster and

we need a national response. >> we're in the middle of july, heading closer to august and the case count is going up, you're seeing a number of school districts saying can't bring kids back to school, this conversation will continue. there is a new study today, new york times story about it, large study from south korea offer an answer. children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. as a parent, i look at that and say so maybe kindergarten, first grade, second grade, elementary, middle school, safer, high school, not. is that the right read? >> yeah, so, this is one study of many. and the general consensus that most of us -- younger kids spread a lot less. older kids, into teenagers and older teenagers start looking like adults, excuse me. so what you ultimately want to do is get the virus suppressed

in the community where you can open up schools safely and you may have a different threshold for getting kids, kindergarten through 5, back in at an earlier level and may need wait longer until the virus levels are down before you open up high schools. >> dr. ranney, back to what you said about rhode island, i'm worried about a cycle here. when rhode island, new york, new england, connecticut, were way up, and talking about the crisis point in your state, florida and texas and many of these other states were looking on saying that's a northeast problem, that's not our problem. clearly it is a national problem. if they have the highest numbers, rhode island and many of the new england states, northeast states shoved the number down what are you seeing? are you worried -- do you think you have it down and can hold it down or is this going to cycle back? >> that is a million dollar question. we do have the numbers down here across the northeast right now. but it is summer. travelers are coming up here. and airlines are offering bargain basement fares to get people down to florida and texas. we know that disney world and

disney reopened, right? we are worried, we're starting to see little upticks in cases. and we are warning people to stay home. my own governor recently decreased the capacity of the beaches. we were previously up to 75% of beach capacity in gorgeous, rhode island. decreased it to 25% because too many people were congregating and we were starting to see little spikes in cases. we're quite worried about importation of cases from outside and as well as about spread just from people hanging out and getting too close and not wearing masks. this requires community vigilance and it is really on all of us. we can't do this alone, this requires us coming together as communities, as states and as a country to fight this virus off. >> dr. ranney, dr. jha, grateful for your time. we'll circle back, thank you both so much. up next, the president replace his campaign manager and adapts to rallies by telephone. his poll numbers are horrible because voters remember his many coronavirus mistakes, like this

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america picks its next president in 15 week, 107 days from now. the president replaced his campaign manager this week. that's all the proof he needs he knows he's losing and losing big at the moment. plenty of time, though, team trump says, and that's true. but the president's problems are many. most voters don't trust him personally or see him as up to the big clenhallenges like coronavirus and race relations. joe biden has a big and growing lead. let's look at the trend line here. quinnipiac, you see the stretch, 15 points. "washington post" 15 points. a double digit lead for joe biden as we go into the middle of july. 15 weeks to the election. now, trump supporters would say he came back last time he was down last time. he was down last time. at this point last time he was down about four or five points. this is the average cnn poll of polls of all the polls out this time four years ago.

challenger trump was down then. candidate trump in single digits, close race then. not a close race at the moment. there is the -- one of the things the president has to change. half the americans say there is no chance, no chance they would vote for donald trump. 37% say that about joe biden. half of the electorate says no chance, the president has a problem. he needs to change some minds there. here's more evidence of his problem, this from the nbc "wall street journal" poll. in the 2016 election, he won by 20, leads among men by 2 points now, but in 2016 he won them by 11. whites without a college degree, part of the trump base, that looks look a big number, the president is up 22 points now. he won that constituency by 37 points on election day back in 2016. he has work to do. here is another one if you look at 2016, the trump campaign was tough on hillary clinton, the president had his own problems.

among those voters who disliked both candidates, president trump won, candidate trump then on election day 2016 by 17 points among voters who said i don't like either one of them. voters who don't like either one of them right now support joe biden by 58 points. that is an enormous advantage. people don't like politicians including the president and his challenger are supporting joe biden now. if you listen to the president in recent days, not much talk about the coronavirus. a lot of wax at joe biden. >> i will tell you if biden got in, this economy would be destroyed. joe biden's entire career has been a gift to the chinese communist party. when biden and the radical left want to open borders for ms 13 and others, we want strong borders. the american dream would be sniffed out so quickly and replaced with a socialist disaster. >> with us this sunday to share the recording and insights, dan balls of "the washington post,"

and cnn's nia malika henderson. numbers can be changed, but you look into the bones deep, whether your new poll out today, any data, the president's problems are so many. i know 15 weeks is a long time. can you reverse all those things, questions about character, questions about ability to handle the coronavirus, distrust, it is a lot to fix. >> it is a tremendous amount to fix, john. you're right. he overcame character issues in 2016. we would have to assume that's not the major barrier right now. i think you look at the polls, the biggest problem he's got is the coronavirus pandemic. the disapproval of him in handling that has spiked upward. and as that has spiked upward, biden's support has grown and trump support has dropped. i think that the way out for trump is two fold. one, he has to rally his base and find more voters like the voters who supported him in

2016. but didn't turn out. but he mostly has to figure out a way to persuade people he's dealing effectively with the pandemic. if he's not able to do that, then i think he's got a very, very difficult time bringing this race home for him. >> and nia, to dan's point, yes, the president can rally his base, but if you look at the numbers in the suburbs, most of the big battleground states decide close elections, the president's numbers are tavernitavern i tanking still. you approve or disapprove of the handling of the virus, 60% disapprove. if you look at where the numbers are going way up, 60% disapprove. do you trust what the president says on the virus? not much or not at all, 64%. nearly two-thirds of americans say they don't trust their president when he talks about the biggest challenge facing the country right now. >> yeah, this is a huge problem for this president. you have some adviseres saying, listen, if he gets back out there in the way he was out there before with the daily

press conferences, maybe that would change things around. in fact, a lot of the things he said in those press conferences are why you see the numbers where they are now with people not trusting this president, essentially thinking he's checked out open this. it is his behavior, right? he's essentially not had a plan. that is the plan to leave it up to the states and have a piecemeal approach and to will the schools back open without having any real plan. this is a real problem. i also think there is something here in addition to the coronavirus. i think the lafayette square incident as well, where you had authorities clearing peaceful protests, in the beginning to june, people sitting at home watching that on their televisions. that also is seared into the minds of these voters in terms of who this president's behavior, what that means for average citizens. and things like that, that you can't really reverse. and with the coronavirus, it

also just doesn't seem like the president has any appetite to focus on this. even though it is clear that it is upper most in the minds of american voters right now. >> it is a great point, dan. he seems obsessed with little petty side bites. john lewis died yesterday, the president of the united states you would think would come to a camera and say farewell and pay tribute to an american hero. nia mentions clearing the protesters. hasn't had a coronavirus event designated to it in 12 days. but he did take a pose at the white house at the desk in the oval office with a bunch of products from goya because there say b is a boycott under way because the ceo said nice things about the president of the united states. this is what the president thinks is important. if you look at the polling today, headline, inside trump's failure, the rush to abandon leadership role on the virus, one of the greatest failures of presidential leadership in generations. maybe the president doesn't like science, maybe the president

doesn't like doctors around him. the president cares about himself and self-interest, he has to know the way he's conducting business right now is hurting him. >> absolutely. i think that one of the things that bill stepien, the new campaign manager and the team around the inner circle around the president will have to do is force him in some way or another or try to force him to become more disciplined. he became more disciplined in the final weeks of the 2016 campaign and democrats are cognizant of that fact. but so far particularly because of this pandemic he seems incapable of doing that, and he wants to talk about anything other than what is most on people's minds and that is the health and safety of themselves and their families. nia makes the point about the lafayette square, in our survey, the president has a deficit of 25 points on race relations and also a significantly smaller but still a deficit on crime and safety. so in all the ways he seems to

be trying to make the argument against biden, it is not working and on the big issue, he's indifferent. >> and nia, the flip side of that is that joe biden has this enormous opportunity now, but big decisions ahead, scaled back convention, vice presidential pick. there is -- we have to watch a lot to see how the president responds, but biden has a piece of this as well. >> that's right. so far he's doing pretty good. you see all the polls here, he's got big decisions to make coming up and we'll see how he fares going forward at this convention, who he picks for his vice president and how the president goes with that. this issue about race, and dan mentioned polling there, he's strong on that issue, you see the president, of course, going back to his tactics from 2016, being a bit of a race baiter, he's thinking that he can elevate his numbers among white voters, but obviously turning away vit vowhite voters as well.

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through the streets of birmingh birmingham, but we will march with the spirit of love and with the spirit of dignity that we have shown here today. we must wake up, america. wake up! >> last month at the age of 80, cancer made his days scarce, congressman john lewis reflecting on the death of george floyd and a new generation demanding change. >> this feel and look so different, it is so much more massive and all inclusive. it would be no turning back. people now understand what the struggle was all about. it is another step down a very, very long road toward freedom,

justice, for all human kind. >> with us to discuss the loss of this icon, the wisconsin lieutenant governor madela barnes and van jones. thank you for being here. john lewis often spoke, very humble about himself, saying he was just doing his part and everybody should do their part. he talked often about the next generation. van jones, and madela barnes, you are the next generation. van jones, son of 1968, horrible year, we lost dr. king, we lost bobby kennedy. what do you view as your responsibility as your friend is now gone and says the next generation needs to pick up the baton? >> well, first, let me just say you have all these young people out here today, out in the millions marching, braving a pandemic, john lewis went from being a student leader, student nonviolent coordinator committee

to being the conscience of a nation. nobody is going to fill those shoes but we have to step forward collectively. i'll never forget march 2015, the 50th anniversary of that bloody march across that bridge when barack obama went to give a speech there, and i saw something i've never seen before, never see again, usually the last person to come to the dais is the president of the united states. i saw michelle obama come on, i saw barack obama come on, and then following the president john lewis. even the president of the united states was saying, this is such a giant. i want to welcome him to the stage. don't let him welcome me. let me welcome him. that's the -- that's the power of his example even to the president of the united states. unbelievable. >> and mandela barnes -- sorry, we lost the -- if you look at

this, sometimes the torch is passed at a ceremony, now the torch is passed in sadness, that conversation during the george floyd uprising, to hear john lewis, fascinating story in "the washington post" about how dr. king and others were alarmed at the march on washington because they thought his speech was too radical and got him to tone it down a little bit. he was a bit radical at the age of 23, he became this humble, kind man, whenever you were in john lewis' presence, he would take your hand, ask how you were doing, weighs a he he has was a wanted to make it about anyone else but himself. >> you see thousands and thousands of pictures of regular people posting pictures of themselves with john lewis. wait a minute, how do all of these -- i don't mean senators and stars, normal people, by the thousands. because he was so much a person of the people.

he was completely accessible to the very last. i don't think he ever stopped being radical in terms of his radical belief and the power of american democracy and the american people that make things better. his rhetoric may have toned down a little bit. his commitment never toned down to ordinary people. >> and, listen to him in this conversation with oprah, he had the phrase good trouble. he wanted people to protest, wanted them to march, but wanted them to sing and to be nonviolent even if the police pulled out the batons. listen. >> when i was growing up in rural alabama, my mother always said, boy, don't get in trouble. don't get in trouble. but one day i heard rosa parks, heard the words of martin luther king jr. on the radio, the words of dr. king and the action of rosa parks inspired me to get in trouble. and i've been getting in trouble ever since. >> just the joy, the joy there of making a difference. van, how do you deal with the

challenge? we're losing the world war ii generation, we're losing the civil rights generation, john lewis, the last of the organizers of what you're seeing there on the screen to pass from us. how to you hand off the baton and remember to continue to work? >> the good thing is that that's already happening and when you see this new generation and black, white, brown, every color, i don't think we yet appreciate it and it may never be something that we can appreciate. the courage that it took for those young people to do what they did, you know, we can go out here and march, we might be braving a pandemic, these people are facing death in the eye. in the eye. and they said they love the country enough, they couldn't go on, they were willing to do it. and so not only did you lose john lewis, you lost c.t. vivian on the very same day. another massive icon, another -- a little older than john lewis, and trained the young people

behind him, so this has been passed down for a long time. but when you lose a john lewis, and you lose a c.t. vivian on the same day, heaven is trying to get our attention. heaven is trying to say, listen this is the example, these are the examples. people love the country so much, they were willing to put their lives on the line. we get upset about a mean tweet sometimes. these people dealt with dogs, dealt with fire hoses, their friends being murdered and they stayed nonviolent and pushed the country forward. the young people are taking up their example, how many young people that are out there today have heard of the student nonviolent coordinating -- and heard -- and all of -- every one of them knows john lewis. >> van jones, grateful for your time today. our apologies to mandela barnes, technical issues there. we'll have that conversation another day. thank you very much. coming up, opening day in july, america's game like everything else tries a new normal.

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opening day for major league baseball is this thursday. 119 days late. about the time players are normally returning from their all-star break. but nothing is normal of course can you see of the coronavirus, sports included. baseball's covid-19 protocols include testing every other day, twice daily temperature checks, mandatory masks in the dugout and in the bullpen. no chewing tobacco or sunflower seeds or spitting. some players say it's not enough and have opted out because of safety concerns. at least 26 of the major league teams have reported a positive coronavirus test. harold, thanks so much for being with us. you have a unique perspective as someone who played the game for so long and as a broadcaster now, a 60-game season, we all want baseball back.

how is this going to be different? >> well, everything you just talked about makes it totally different just on the field, i'll start with that first. 60 games. you're usually going down the stretch. by the last 60 games, you've eliminated probably 15 teams or so. now all 30 clubs have a legitimate shot. you get out the gate and you play well, you can sustain that through 60 games. so, i really think it's the first time it could be the most exciting finish in baseball. but the challenge, john, as you just mentioned, it's going to be the testing and guys staying healthy throughout the battle. this pandemic. >> and so you played the game for a long time. you come to the park, you stretch, you throw, you run between the lines, you take batting practice. now you're going to have to take a covid test every other day. if you're not in the game you're going to have to sit in the stands six feet apart. how will that change the game?

and how about no fans? that's what motivates you. how's that going to change things? >> there's no doubt you're going to miss the fans. the fans give you adrenaline and get you in the game. having come through high school, minor leagues, college, whatever it is, baseball's the one sport i think you're used to not having big crowds. you really don't get those big numbers until you get to the major leagues. so if there is a sport that's accustomed to not playing in front of people, it would be baseball. now, that said, it's going to be extremely weird, it's going to be different. but i think what's going to be unique for the fan who's listening is all the sounds and communications that get drown out by fans' sound. you will now get to hear a ball and a guy yelling "second, second," "third, third." >> again, i want to tap your unique perspective as someone who knows what it's like on the

field. but now you're a broadcaster. i love going to the ballpark. but if i can't get to the ballpark, we all have our team. it's different for broadcasters too. what is the challenge for you at the mlb network and for all the broadcasters in this very different environment where you're not up close, you're not talking to the players face to face every day? >> well, that's the difficult part because you really like to be able to engage. i got a chance to do the world series and a number of playoff games. part of your preparation is talking to players around the batting cage. how are you going to adjust today? things like that that you can take and have an antidote. we get a chance to call certain guys. >> everything is different, but having baseball back will be a good thing at this time of

stretch. harold reynolds, very grateful for your time. best as luck as we get ready to play some baseball. >> thank you for being such a great fan, too. red sox could be a little struggle this year. >> 60 games, we can get by with no pitching. and that's it for "inside politics. kwersz don't go anywhere. very busy "state of the union with jake tapper." thanks again for sharing your sunday. have a great day. stay safe. but don't avoid taking care of your eyes, because we're here to safely serve you with new procedures that exceed cdc guidelines and value your time. visionworks. see the difference. when you start with a better that's no way to treat a dog... ...you can do no wrong. where did you learn that? the internet... yeah? mmm! with no artificial preservatives or added nitrates or nitrites,

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