it's just truly unbelievable. a lot to learn. evan, thank you so much. much more to come on that. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts right now. so the president says i'll be right veeventually about the pandemic that took 141,000 american lives. john berman in for anderson. that's a strange way of looking at things at a time like this because in the meantime, with nearly 141,000 mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors gone from this earth in less than five months and tens of thousands more projected to die, he's making decisions that put their lives in this country at risk. apparently to prove that he's right. in other words, americans may be sacrificed in the name of vanity and the president isn't bothering to hide it. >> i'll be right eventually. i will be right eventually.

i said, it's going to disappear. i'll say it again, it's going to disappear and i'll be right. >> does that discredit -- >> no, i don't think so. i've been right probably more than anybody else. >> in her new book, mary trump that is a clinical psychologist says her uncle's behavior goes far beyond garden have ryety narcissim. purely on a factual basis. a few moments before we talked about being proven right, he said something wrong after fox' chris wallace pointed out this country's abysmal mortality rate. >> when you talk about mortality rates, it's the opposite. we have one of lowest in the world. >> keeping them honest, he's wrong. take a look. this is from john hopkin's university database. mortality rates adjusted for population in the 20 hardest hit countries. the united states is third with under 43 deaths per 100,000 and

by third, that means third highest, third worst. so wrong on that and wrong on this. >> many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day. they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. many of them don't forget, i guess it's like 99.7%, people are going to get better and in many cases, they will get better very quickly. >> just a few days ago, the president claimed the virus is 99% harmless and now 99.7. according to johns hopkins data, covid is not 99.7% harmless. it's 4.6% deadly. if it is as low as the president cli claims thanks means in a country of 330 million, nearly a million people will die if nothing is done to stop the spread. the president in that interview passed a screening test he had to identify a camel cannot seem to see the elephant in the room.

this is the deadliest pandemic since 1918, which he continues to call 1917 and continues to say this. >> hino country has ever done wt we've done in terms of testing. we're the envy of the world. >> again, untrue. unless being the enview is the longest lines at testing sites and long eest wait to get resul. the president is also wrong on that. also, this. >> if we tested half as much, those numbers would be down. >> this isn't burning embers. this is a forest fire. >> i say flames, we'll put out the flames and put out in some cases just burning embers. we have embers and we do have flames. florida became more flame-like. it's going to be under control. >> more flame-like he says. allow me to translate. that means more than 9500 people are hospitalized in florida. icus in miami-dade say they are

at 130% capacity, 92 new fatalities reported today. in los angeles county, daily hospitalizations hit a new high for the fourth time in the past week. kentucky reporting the highest single day case total ever refrr refrigerated trailers in texas to hold the bodies and on this day in 1969 walked on the moon could not fly to the bahamas that announced over the weekend it is barring u.s. travelers. in the meantime, the president is resisting language in relief legislation supported by senate republicans, yes, republicans funding more testing and tracing. he's openly under cutting his own infectious disease experts with the exception of a tweet today and a visit to walter reed the other day, he's not wearing a mask in public and he has mocked joe biden for wearing one. his campaign staff removed signs at a tulsa rally telling people to social distance. is this because he's so sure he will be proven right in the end or something else? this weekend "the new york times" ran a piece with perhaps the most chilling assessment

imaginable, the president got bored with it. advisor to the texas governor greg abbott said of the pandemic, americans dying and he's bored. maybe in an effort to spice things up a bit, he announced a return todayly coronavirus briefings and made it sound like he's doing it for the ratings. >> we had very successful briefings. i was doing them. we had a lot of people watching, record numbers watching in the history of cable television, television there has never been anything like it. >> he's right. no president suggested injecting people with disinfectant as he did in his last coronavirus briefing. no president used a briefing to hawk so-called miracle drugs that turned out not to be. non-has ever boasted about ratings in the middle of a disaster with people dying. but, if he's right about anything, he's right about this. people will be watching tomorrow. and hundreds also will be making funeral arrangements. more on all this now from cnn

chief white house correspondent jim acosta. what is behind this big shift from president trump when it comes to mask wearing? >> yeah, john, the president is certainly eating some coronavirus crow. he has been all but scoffing at this idea of wearing masks and ridiculing joe biden for doing it in may. we understand talking to our sources the president has been urged for several weeks now he needs to embrace this idea of wearing masks, we saw on a conference call that mike pence had with the nation's governors earlier today, mike pence had the virtues of wearing masks and dr. anthony fauci said they should be used universally. the side of things he has been talki talking. for weeks now. >> the national mandate people need to wear masks. >> no, i want people to have a certain freedom and i don't

believe in that, no. i don't agree with the statement if everybody wore a mask, everything disappears. first they said don't wear a mask now wear a mask. as you know, masks cause problems, too. >> i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. somehow sitting in the oval office behind that beautiful resolute desk, i think wearing a face mask as i greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i don't know, somehow i don't see it for myself. they learned about face masks, the good and the bad, by the way. it not a one-sided thing, believe it or not. >> and of course, what was driving these advisors to urge the president to change his mind on wearing masks, that would be the poll numbers, john. they have been tanking for sometime now. the president has been saying that that was not the case but of course, we know what the reality is if the president won't acre knowlednol l acknowl

>> thank you very much. perspective from dr. sanjay gupta and florida international university infectious disease specialist dr. eileen marty. sanjay, i want to start with you. this pivot from the trump administration or more specifically from the president himself on wearing masks comes after months of really undermining that very message. we just played a montage there. how easy do you think it will be to unring the bell on that for the president's supporters and how important is it to unring that bell? >> yeah, well, you played that montage so of usualyoul obvious hearing messages for a long time. it's important, john. i'm glad he's doing it. this is critical. this is one of the important sort of ways to potentially navigate our way out of this mess. i got to say, john, i'm a medical reporter, not a political reporter. you can't help but disintangle.

i live in georgia for example and it's clear certain governors like our governor very much take their kqueues from the presiden of the united states. our governor suing the mayor of atlanta about a mask ordinance. now that the president said this, maybe he'll back off. maybe where dr. marty is in florida, maybe governor desantis will be more amenable to masks, well. for these conas a rule luvolute. maybe. >> they are culling for cuts to funding and tracing and cuts to republicans and congress are asking for as part of the next stimulus plan. is there any legitimate medical reason why there shouldn't be more funding at this point for testing? >> why there should be more -- >> should not. >> of course i disagree with that. that has no basis in the reality that we're facing. no basis in the fire that's completely a wildfire out of

control. we have 513 people in icu in miami-dade county alone. we are completely swamped and we need to do all the comprehensive things that we need to do to get this pandemic under control which means you have to do each and everything in a coordinated racial planned fashion and that costs money. >> to your point, in florida, miami-dade county reporting hospitals, icus are 130% capacity at this moment. during a press conference, florida governor ron desantis was heckled today. let's listen to that. >> there has been infection -- >> dr. marty, what needs to happen in florida today to make things better? >> this is a really challenging question because we have

multiple -- we have a perfect storm of problems. we have a rip roaring out of control outbreak specifically in south florida more than anywhere else in florida that has to be tamed but at the same time, especially if the bills aren't passed that need to be passed, we're facing an enormous economic problem that could lead to food insecurity issues and r rioting that could in turn lead to more problems with the p pandem pandemic. so we're weighing our options as carefully as we can but ultimately, we all in the state of florida, in the country, in our individual communities need to come together and have a national strategy for dampening this horrific pandemic. >> sanjay, there was a ray of good news in terms of the vaccine research. initial results released around the vaccine being developed by oxford indicates the vaccine is both safe and induced an immune

response. how significant is that and what do you think the next step is? >> yeah, no, i think these are optimistic findings. there was actually two journal articles in the lance. one from oxford and another one from a chinese company kansino. similar types of vaccines. we talked a lot about moderna, that's a messenger rna vaccine. this is a different type of vaccine, a much more well established sort of platform for vaccines and the results were encouraging. i would say two things, john. the question of how long would the immunity last and how strong would the immunity be? these are always the basic questions. after you correctly mention the side effect profile is low. with this adno virus, the length of how long it should last, should last awhile this vaccine. what we don't know, what we actually need to know is how strong is the immunity that these vaccines will provide? we still don't know the answer to that. what will happen now like with

this oxford as tra ztrazeneca v, you have significant amount of viral spread and getting into phase three results. they can prove that a certain segment of the population isn't getting it, that's getting the vaccine. a segment of the population that isn't getting the vaccine is not protected, you'll start having results maybe by the end of the year. >> hopeful. we can hope. it is promising at least today. thanks so much, dr. sanjay gupta and dr. marty we appreciate you being with us. we'll look closer to the political dimensioning including def sta devastating polling on the president's handling. next, the risk for your children of bringing the virus home from school if and when they open up again and later, all we're learning about the shooting that left a federal judge's son dead and her husband badly wounded.

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desantis being heckled before the break. today unionized teachers filed suit to overturn his order to force schools to reopen in the state. over the weekend, researchers from south korea's centers for disease control suggest children ages 10 to 19 can transmit the virus as readily as adults. younger kids pass it about three times less according to the data. here to talk about it, baltimore's health commission there over saw medical facilities in the public schools and dr. david ruben, director of the policy lab at children's hospital of philadelphia and dr. nguyen, i want to start with you. in florida in general, given the state of the pandemic there and the surge in cases, how dangerous would it be to reopen schools there next month as the governor continues to want to do? >> john, i can't imagine schools being reopen in florida next month at the rate that we're going when there is escalating, explosive spread throughout the

state. we keep on asking the question of can we keep schools free from covid? there is no way to keep schools free from covid if a community is a hot bed of infection. what we need to do now if the goal is to reopen schools next month, we need to implement strict guidelines to the point of even having plays lock down's again. if florida does that at this moment, it would take at least three to four weeks for us to even see the change in the infection point, for us to see a decline in the number of infections and that really must be done now in the window for that kind of intervention is closing. >> dr. ruben, i want to play a clip of something missouri governor mike parson said about children returning to school. listen to this. >> these kids have got to get back to school. they are at the lowest risk possible and if they do get covid-19, which they will and they will when they go to school, they're not going to the hospitals. they don't have to sit in doctor's offices. they will go home and get over

it. >> they will get it.it. as a pediatrician, what do you make of that statement? >> well, you know, children don't live in bubbles. they rely on their parents, grandparents, we got 95,000 of them caring for kids in pennsylvania alone. the teachers, you know, kids are a foundation to a working community and the idea that kids live in a bubble doesn't work. if we don't get community transmission rates down to acceptable levels to make it safe to reopen schools, i just don't see a path forward. >> but is willing to accept kids just getting it, is that a public health policy? >> no, because the reality is while kids may be less likely to get severe disease, their parents and grandparents and teachers are not. this is about public confidence. this is about being able to say to a teacher they can enter a classroom and know that his or her health won't be in jeopardy. that parents don't need to, you know, to live with anxiety that

their children may be bringing home illness that could actually confer pretty serious consequences within their families or throughout their extended family. >> so, dr. nguyen, there are certain articles or studies i read as a journalist and others i read as a parent. when i read the south korea centers for disease control study on kids and transmission, i read that as a parent of 13-year-old boys and when you read that 10 to 19-year-olds pass the virus just as frequently or more so as adults, what's the take away there? do you make of this study? >> yeah, i mean, it's a well done study with a lot of people. it actually included up to 60,000 people in the study but there are some limitations to it including that it only looked at symptomatic individuals. we know that children even more than adults may be asymptomatic carriers. i think it also a problem if we look at children and how often they interact with one another even if they are just as likely

as adults are to transmit the disease, they may be in contact with far more people. i really worry about the impact not only on children and to your point, it is not harmless. there are children who have died. there are children who have gotten this toxic shock-like syndrome with multiorgan damage and we're talking about vulnerable teachers and staff and so many others who may be infected if we do not get this right, if we try to take a shortcut and don't follow public health guidance. >> dr. ruben, what do you think a reasonable expectation is for children wearings masks at school? what ages do you think they can do it? how realistic to ask them to do it much if not all of the day? >> when i talk about public confidence, we talk about masking but i begin with other elements like distancing. it's about ensuring that we are not cutting corners like dr. nguyen said. with regards to over populating

close rooms with too many students and putting children and teachers in unsafe situations. there is also an important emphasis if you look at european reoffi reopenings of the schools, the investment of hygiene and disinfecting and masks. we have to look at masks and realize they are an additional barrier, iffy can lower the occupancy in the room and have youth wearing masks but separate them considerably, we can think about at times a low circulating infections, times when kids can take breaks but recognizing parents worked really hard in many circumstances to teach our children, adolescents how to wear themfectieffectively and protect others in the community and disregarding that when youth returns to school isn't a proper solution given the circumstances we're in. >> dr. nguyen, given how much contact kids have with each other, take that in congestion with the testing issues and tracing issues we're having in this country now.

what challenges would that provide if there was an outbreak in a school? >> yeah, and i think that's something that we just have not talked about because it's not a question of if there will be an outbreak, there will be outbreaks. it's a question of when and there will be outbreaks basically especially if we open against this backdrop of surging infections. there would be a lot of outbreaks. i worry we don't have a plan. imagine if one student becomes infected while how many people are we then going to be asking to be tested? happens if the tests don't come back for ten days? will we expect for every family member of all children to be out of work for ten days until this test comes back and how many more people are they going to be infecting? so these are all the questions that we have to think through. we have to invest significant resources as dr. ruben mentioned to keep everyone safe. >> you have to do it now. running out of time as of the beginning of the school year approaches.

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we want to turn to the white house handling of the pandemic and president trump's interview in which he repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus. >> many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day. they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. >> one of your closest aids and

right hand men daniel sput out this, have you seen this? this cartoon. dr. faucet shows him as a leaker and alarmist. >> he's a little bit of an alarmist. that's okay. i heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest mortality rate in the world. do you have the numbers, please? i heard we had the best mortality rate. number one low mortality rate. i hope you show this. this shows what fake news is about. >> i don't think i'm fake news. >> you said we have the worst mortality rate in the world. >> we don't have the best and that last byte was too much for one of our next guest, dr. craig spencer and director of global medicine at colombia university medical center. during a long thread on twitter how the president handled the pandemic, dr. spencer wrote quote if he accepted responsibility for managing this crisis instead of always blaming

others for his abject failure, more americans would be alive today. if we're going to get out of this alive, we have to do this on our own without him, despite him. be safe, please. dr. spencer joins us now also cnn chief political analyst george gloria borger. dr. spencer, you said the interview was the last straw for you and the byte about mortality. you've been on the front lines treating people, treating people dying from the virus. why did that moment hit you so hard? >> i've been really upset and frustrated with this response since i've been responding to covid on the front line in march and april when we were seeing people die routinely every day in the emergency department. i never thought three to four months later my colleagues around this country would be having to do the exact same thing, calling families on face time as they pass, holding their hands. this is because our administration and particularly president trump's response of

this to this outbreak is an object failure. i don't understand what he means by a best mortality rate. there is no such thing as a best mortality rate. 140,000 americans have already died. more are going to die in the coming weeks and months because we weren't prepared and failed to prepare and needed to and every moment he's delayed, he hasn't given us the response and materials we need on the front line to save ourselves and patients. >> gloria, in addition to having an absence of facts in some case in that interview, there was the absence of something else, which is empathy. feeling for the families of those who have died, for the people who are suffering. it wasn't part of that 60-minute interview and does raise questions about whether or not it will be part of this round two of coronavirus briefings that we're hearing about. >> you know, the only time and

the united states as they did at the early back in march and f empathy, the interview that you're talking wallace. the president seemed to treat mortality in numbers which he said i heard about. the president of the united states, did you watch it on tv or what do you mean you heard? has it been reported to you. the numbers he treated, some kind of a contest. we're winning because we have the lowest mortality rate, a, it's not true. and b, as the doctor is saying, what kind of win is that when you have 140,000 people dead in the country? that's why 60% of the american people disapprove of the way he's handling the coronavirus because they believe he just doesn't get their suffering. >> so why then has the white house decided to have these coronavirus briefings again and remember, the last one we had is when the president suggested

injecting disinfectant? >> well, you know, i've talked to a couple of republican sources close to the white house and a, they know that the polls are completely tanking and they want him to get out in front of it and to be the one who is active, to promise action. i don't know what it's on, hopefully it would be something like testing. he's fighting with republicans in congress about that. but they believe he has to be front and center now because the public believes he's not doing anything and if you saw the chris wallace interview that the doctor reacted to, you can understand why. so they're kind of throwing up their hands saying okay, we got to try this again. >> dr. spencer, 99.7% of people with coronavirus the president says, it insignificant. it's sniffles. they heal in a day. he says. again, as someone who has been putting your own life on the line treating very sick people, what's the reality?

>> if this was so insignificant, why didn't emergency rooms throughout new york city and houston and california and arizona, why are they filling up? why are people so concerned about losing loved ones? why are so many people falling ill and why is there 140,000 americans that have already died? even if 99% of people survive, that's great, if there is over 300 million people in this country, you can have over 3 million deaths, that the more than died in all world wars combined, most importantly, is it's not just about living and dying. so many people with covid have long-term chronic symptoms. many people have strokes and blood clots. it's not this false between you get the disease and you get better or get this disease and you die. that is a very -- that's a misleading, that's a misinformation that really undermines what public health professionals are trying to do. >> you mention briefly a political battle, an intern political battle over funding

for testing and tracing with republican members of congress asking for funding, more funding for testing and tracing and getting serious push back from the president. so what's going on here? >> yeah, a funny thing going on here. we're watching republican push back. when have we seen that? hardly ever. why? because they are seeing the poll numbers drop in their states and they're hearing from their governors in their republican states and this is a president the white house had talked about zeroing out funding for testing which members of the republican leadership said today that that cannot happen. he's also talking about a payroll tax cut, which republicans are saying, you know what? it wouldn't do any good. it wouldn't help anyone. so you see this argument going on and now instead of hiding behind the president, you see republicans starting to come out of his shadow and say we have to fight for our lives here, our

political lives and have to fight for the lives of constituents and we got to do it now. >> gloria borger, thank you. dr. craig spencer, thank you for all the work you're doing. appreciate it. a programming note, next hour fareed zakaria has donald trump's conspiracy theories. this is an in-depth look how the president uses series to damaged perceived enemies and explain poor polling and cover up his own misdoings tonight after "ac 360" and ahead, a federal judge's family comes under attack, her son and husband gunned down in their home and now we know a lot more about who this deceased suspect was but what was the motive? what the fbi is saying and asking for your help. that's next. i have the power tor my blood sugar and a1c. because i can still make my own insulin. and trulicity activates my body to release it like it's supposed to. once-weekly trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it's not insulin. it starts acting from the first dose.

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esther salas, her son was killed, her husband attacked and recovering from surgery in stable condition. she was thankfully unharmed. there is a huge investigation underway as to why this happened but authorities think they know who did this as they slowly piece together the mystery. alexander field has the latest. >> reporter: on sunday afternoon, judge esther salas and her husband mark were at home in new jersey.

ester was working in the basement according to the "new york times" while mark and their son daniel were upstairs. a gunman wearing what appeared to be a fedex uniform approached the house and danny opened the door with his father behind him. that's when the gunman opened fire shooting both of them before fleeing. judge salas was unharmed in the attack but daniel died from his wounds. he was their only child. mark is in the hospital in stable condition. >> it's a stomach punch not just for me but for everybody who lives in this town. it's a horrible and terrible thing and it could not have happened to a nicer family. >> reporter: esthr salas is a u.s. district attorney and mark is a criminal defense attorney. what is the target? there were no prior threats to the family and don't have a motive but a suspect. the body of roy den hollander was found today two hours north of the attack. he's the primary subject in the shooting. he appears to have died from a self-inflected gunshot wound. he was an attorney that argued

one case before judge salas. a fedex package addressed to the judge was also found. >> here is my husband mark andrel, my son daniel mark what is really excited. >> reporter: joudge salas is th first latina judge in new jersey. he son daniel wanted to study law just like both his parents. friends and family say he was a good kid often seen playing basketball in the driveway with his dad and a rising junior. he was only 20 years old. >> alexander field joins us live from north brunswick, new jersey. seeing the pictures of daniel in the confirmation hearing and a young 20-year-old is so heard breaking. what more do we know about the suspect tonight, alexandria? >> reporter: john, roy den hollander identified by police as an attorney described himself as a men's rights attorney and as an anti feminist activist.

he had filed a chain of failed lawsuits at first against bars for their ladies nights and against the federal government for violence against women act and against colombia university for its women's studies program but most chillingly, he had crossed paths with judge salas back in 2015. that's when he argued in front of her against the all male military draft. in that case, the judge sided with him on some of his arguments, rejected others and allowed the lawsuit to continue. however, the attorney turned this case over in 2019 to another firm. he still went on to write on his website in racist, sexist and derogatory terms about judge salas. john? >> alexander field, thank you very much. for more on this case and how the feds will be going about their investigation from here, let's bring in former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. as we said, look, this case incredibly sad and now we have the questions about the suspect.

his motivations, men's rights, which i'm not sure i knew was a thing anti feminists and these hateful writings, as well. what does that mean in terms of how the if,fbi will investigate this? >> john, it's a great place for the fbi to start. typically, what happens in the aftermath of a mass killing or a murder like this, especially one perpetrated by somebody maybe previously unknown to the fbi, they will go back now and deconstruct every element of hollander's life. they will identify everyone who knew him from family to co-workers to telephone contacts, email contacts, social media contacts and will be looking very closely at his communications with those folks but also his writings and in this case, it seems we have a lot of those to work with. >> right now, he's a suspect. there is a lot we don't know about this case. how rare is it, though, for a

judge, any judge, let alone a federal judge to have a security threat stemming from an attorney? >> it is exceedingly rare. federal judges are very, very closely protected. they are rightfully seen as the core of our legal justice system. any time there is a threat to a federal judge or an attack on a federal judge, much less a killing, the fbi and u.s. marshal service take that incredibly seriously because as you would expect, the government sees this as an attack on the system itself. it absolutely cannot be tolerated. so you'll see no resource spared in shedding as much light as they possibly can on exactly who this guy was and why he engaged in this premeditated assassinati assassination. >> we know this case troubles you. thanks for helping us understand it. ahead, a rare look inside the front line battle against

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throughout the pandemic, we have heard so many stories of victim s who died alone separa d ed. sam who was 90 years old, decided to take the risk and be by her bed side before she passed away. she was in a nursing home before developing the coronavirus symptoms. she was rushed to the hospital and her condition quickly got worse and that's when sam put on his protective gear and went to see her h. his family took this video. >> she doesn't recognize me, i'm goi i -- this is sam. i love you, sweet heart. i love you so. i'm going to get to hold your hand after all these months. >> just hours after that meeting joanne died, but they were able to look at each other one last

time and hold hands one last time and say i love you one last time. joanne r aeck was 86 years old d we remember her. and now to the cnn special report, donald trump's conspiracy theories hosted by fareed zakari. >> a cnn special report. >> it's one of the greatest coos of all time. fighting the deep state. it's a conspiracy, against you the american people and we cannot let this happen. why does the president of the united states of america live in a world of dark, sinister conspiracies? >> he