improvement, and that is where i turn to cnn's nick watt. fund that allow states to test before we get to the national and expand successful ways to picture, we're getting new improve home and community care, details op a cdc study that and increase prevention and finds many more people are reduce the cost of infected than the data shows. hospitalization. >> that's right, brianna. they are saying maybe ten times think of services like as many. so the official in the u.s. 8.3 appointments, meals, day programs for seniors, making million. their home safe for them. maybe 38 million americans have it builds on an innovative and been infected, still not enough for herd immunity, but that's a creative provision under the lot. affordable care act, the very brianna, on the national program that the president picture, many eyes are focused ceaselessly is trying to gut. for example, there's a pilot on florida. miami now closing all city program now in 27 cities, in 16 summer camps after several kids states where a nurse, an tested positive. a teachers association now suing occupational therapist and a the state over an order to handyman come to the home that's reopen brick and mortar schools caring for an aging family member. they might not be able to cure in a few weeks. florida's seven-day average daily death toll is at an mom's alzheimer's, but they can all-time high. make sure she doesn't break her >> the starting statistic that hip. so, they walk through the house. you all need to know is that we this is what's going on now. have 23,000 children that have

been tested positive for and they install handrails in covid-19 here in the state of the right spots, in the house, florida with 13.4% positivity in the bathroom, or they fix the rate. we must keep kids alive, door that's stuck so she doesn't healthy, and we must keep them safe. >> meanwhile one texas border trip while she tries to open it. county has ordered everyone to stay home again after 34 deaths initially found that about in just 24 hours. $3,000 in program costs yield >> the hospitals are more than $20,000 in saving to overwhelmed. we're in a dire humanitarian the government from crisis down in south texas. >> reporter: and still long lines for tests. hospitalization to other reasons. simple steps to save lives, save many places. one leading lab says some results are taking up to two money and provide critical peace weeks. >> we've never had lab testing, of mind. here is another example. whether you live in rural north federal testing is way too slow. carolina or central that's why we had to get rid of philadelphia, people of color are economically distressed it. >> reporter: regular, federal briefings will resume today at communities face punishing the white house, chevied not health disparities from a system long after the president of systemic discrimination. they don't have health suggested injecting disinfect t insurance. they don't see a doctor. sometimes language is a barrier. they slip through the cracks, slip through the gaps so their disinfectant. >> injected or ingested. treatable condition, because

they can't afford to go to the doctor, becomes a chronic >> that's a terrible idea. condition. that's why community health workers are real heroes. now there are early science that they go into these communities. the what the american people are they make sure folks are getting the care they need. doing, mavengs, et cetera, is my plan puts to work 150,000 helping. first time in a week the u.s. just dropped below 60,000 new cases in a day. more of these workers in our average case count, steady or communities throughout the falling right now in half our country. these are the things we can do states, but it's all relative. hundreds are still dying every now. day, and it's regional. secondly, we can also make today or tomorrow, california high-quality child care affordable and accessible. will probably surpass new york, as the state with the most child care plan is confirmed cases. straightforward. straightforward. every 3 and 4-year-old child >> we have to minimize our will get access to free high-quality preschool, like mixing, minimize the students have here. transmission of this disease, be vigilant as possible to work and low and middle-income through the next few critical families won't spend more than weeks. >> reporter: nationwide probably for many months to come. 7% of their income on child care for children under the age of 5. >> we're still at the beginning of this pandemic. the most hard-pressed working that's what i find so difficult. families won't have to spend a most people are already done with it. they're over. dime. here is how it works. they've decided they're not we can either -- they can either

decide to get up to an $8,000 going to do anymore. they don't get to choose. the virus chooses. >> reporter: now this is a huge tax credit for child care, country, obviously, with no middle-class family for a couple overarching federal strategy. of young kids spending $300 a different places, very different week on child care that means an stories. vermont, only about 200 active covid cases right now. annual savings of $8,000 in nobody has died in vermont of their pocket because it's a tax covid-19 for the past five credit. it means everything for working weeks. families. alternatively, florida is seeing living paycheck to paycheck, or roughly 10,000 new cases every the federal government would send funding to states, which day. then work with child care brianna? >> definitely a tale of two providers to cover the cost for states there. let's talk about what we're working families with young seeing, nib, on the vaccine children over 7% of their income front. we don't want to overstate it would not have to be spent. too much, right? everything is an incremental move, but this is -- we're seeing moves in the right so say both parents are working and need child care. direction when it comes to you go to childcare.gov, which vaccines, so it's really important to pay attention. is created under the obama/biden what's happening here? >> yeah. i mean, there are some very administration to help fund child care that works for you. promising -- >> actually, nick, i am so sorry to interrupt you. i'm going to have you stand by. under my plan, it takes you to let's listen to the former vice your state website, local child care centers pop up.

president on his economic plan. >> thanks to the center for you can call or fill in your hosting us tonight. information. you apply to which one you want i just met sarah johnson. to go to. the state then sends you a i thought i saw sarah somewhere letter, saying you're approved, in here. she has her 3-year-old son, noah, who is a student here. and lace out the amount you're going to pay. the state sends that information she said this program does to the child care provider and wonders, helping noah learn his then the state reimburses the letters and numbers and child care center on the back socialize with other kids and end. you just pay what you're understand his emotions and supposed to pay, not a dime for developed his personality. some working families and no i met him. he's a bright, cute young man. more than 7% for anyone else. like so many parents, she's you can do that. worried. she's worried about her job as a this would save families thousands of dollars. but, more importantly, give them dental assistant and seeing peace of mind. there's other common sense steps changes in what she has to do to we can take, expanding tax make things work. credits for businesses to build she's noticing changes in noah's child care facilities on site, behavior since he haept been in so you can go to work with your school since march. matter of fact, he said to the child. put them in a child care center principal, where's my teacher? that the company got money for, can i stay here and play? he was in his classroom. tax credit for building. she has had to learn or lean on

supporting more and more, and her, uh, parents, which many, giving peace of mind to a many people have to do, to help family. and when you're finished work, her get through it. take that child home. and it's really tough. supporting more after-care, the parents, like sarah, in places like this center, and the weekend and summer care programs for families. third, whoa expand access to caregivers and educators who work here also give me a great care giving. we need to pay and support deal of hope. you know, reinforcing my absent caregivers beyond what they are now. determination that i'm pushing they're doing god's work, but for over two years to triple the amount of money for title i home health workers aren't paid much. they have few benefits. schools and those districts like this one, where every child, 40% are still on snap or every child in a title i medicaid. so, my plan is direct. district is able to have the it gives caregivers and early benefits of an education at 3 childhood educators much-needed and 4 years of age. raise. no one should have to work more that's why i couldn't think of a better place to talk about the than one job to make ends meet. third plaveng of my build back under my health care plan, that better plan for the economy. this is about easing the squeeze defends and expands obamacare, on working families who are there will be more affordable raising their kids, and caring health concerns. i'll make sure these workers for aged loved ones at the same have an effective way to time. sometimes separately, but many unionize and collectively bargain and protect their rights times together. it's about creating jobs with

and earn benefits. better pay, and career pathways this plan will help workers, for caregivers and showing that especially those without a college degree, help them gain dignity and respect that they new skills, good-paying deserve. but i know it's hard. industries like health care, and i know it's hard to think of a provides new pathways to advance future when you're just trying their careers. to get through the crisis at for example, a home health care hand. i know that the case of child worker can have access to care facilities across the training, needing to become an nation is dire. people are looking for help emt, nurse or physician's desperately. assistant or even a doctor. they've had to close their or their early childhood doors, lay off staff. and they're not getting the educator can receive coaching to protective equipment they need keep high-quality learning to reopen. and the virus hot spots where experience. we can do this. they exist, and they exist all the bottom line is that a over the nation, they can't reopen at all. and we're in a child care mobilized care giving and early emergency. it didn't have to be this way. education workforce would save that's why i'm calling on the families time and money, get president to get the facilities and the resources and the equipment that are needed, and their loved ones the care and early childhood education they get them to them now. need and put more people to enough. each day, the pandemic death work, along husbands and wives to go back to work, and toll grows. each day, in some states, more providing many people the opportunity to get a job, a people test positive than the day before, and each state too decent job caring.

many american workers are still it keeps seniors in their homes. out of work and losing hope. it's a triple win. if they choose that. it's been reported by the recognize the realities facing president's staff that the modern families, provides them the much-needed economic support president's, quote, not really in the middle of a pandemic. working this anymore. he doesn't want to be distracted just imagine, if we can put 3 by it. he doesn't want to be distracted million americans to work in new care and early childhood by it. his own staff admits that donald trump fails the most important education, and combine with my proposal to provide families with up to 12 weeks of paid test of being an american president, the duty to care for family leave and medical leave, we can free up millions more you, for all of us. people to join the paid labor you know, it's also been reported that he will block any force, increasing economic funding for more testing and grow growth, two additional jobs, tracing in the next covid relief more economic growth for the bill being discussed right now on the floor of the united nation. states congress, as states report record cases, hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise. to help us recover faster and this man simply doesn't understand, kt deal with our stronger. we usually talk about economic crisis without serving and saving and solving the

shovel-ready jobs. i managed the recovery act of public health crisis. for all his bluster about his expertise on the economy, he's $800 plus billion shovel ready unable to explain how he'll actually help working families hit the hardest. jobs. you know, he has quit on you. that's what care jobs are. he has quit on this country. they're shovel ready. workers are ready now. but this election is not just these jobs can be filled now. about him. it's about us. it's about you. it's about what we'll do, what a president is supposed to do. increasing gdp and family a president is supposed to care, to lead, to take responsibility, income. right thing to do for our families and/or most essential to never give up. workers and it's the smart thing that's what presidents are supposed to do. over the last two weeks, i've to do for our economy. shared my agenda for economic recovery. i call it build back better, tod today, millions of our people can't fully pursue the jobs they because we can't just build back to the way things were before. dream of due to the care giving we have to do it better. squeeze. tens of billions of dollars less and the fir plank of my build in wages each year for our working families. back better plan dejects the more disruption for business,

fewer jobs and growth in our defeatus view that automization economy, slow. both a moral and economic means we can't lead to a future of made in america. made in america. the second plank is to help imperative. unproductive tax cuts, $2 trillion tax cuts the president tackle climate change, put millions of americans to work, good union jobs, modernize infrastructure, while build a put through, closing loopholes, clean energy future. increasing jobs. today, i'm outlining the third plank in my build back better program. we invest that, that would add mobilizing a 21st century care up to $775 billion. and elderly childhood education we invest that in building our workforce, to deal with the care economy back better than it was giving crisis, and it's a before, growing the economy crisis, in this country. stronger. tomorrow i'll be joining virtual if we truly want to reward work town hall, home care workers, in this country, we have to ease fast food worker, janitors, to the financial burden of care hear directly from them about that families are carrying. why this matters so much to we have to elevate the compensation of those providing the care, the benefits and them.

this is about something bigger, dignity and respect for working dignity of care giving workers people. and that's precisely what this and early childhood educators. election is all about. even before the pandemic, millions of working families are faced with enormous financial, dignity and respect. personal strains, trying to the american people know and the raise their kids and care for their parents or loved ones who are living with disabilities. this is the so-called sandwich american president has a duty to care for all of us. generation. it includes everyone from an to see people where they are, to understand what they're going 18-year-old daughter, caring for her mom who suddenly gets sick, to a 40-year-old dad raising his through. and what they want to be as many child and caring for his own aging parents. the joy and love are always you know i was a single parent after my wife and daughter were there. killed and my two boys were badly injured. but it's hard. i know it's hard. it's really, really hard. families are squeezed emotionally and financially. they need help. it was hard. but too often, they can't afford it was hard. it. and the professional caregivers out there, the home health care if i didn't have my mom, my sister, my brother, i don't know workers, child care workers, who how i would have been able to are more often women, women of

afford it. color and immigrants, are too then six years later when jill and i got married, i saw how often underpaid, and under difficult it was for her to start her teaching career with a valued. the pandemic hits and squeezes new mom, with two kids in school. actually they weren't in school yet, now that i think about it. and tightens on everybody. we cared for our parents at end. nursing homes have been hit hard. if you're a front line worker, you struggle to find safe child care for your kids. my dad was months in hospital in others of you become unexpected our home, same as my mom. and our entire family was there 24/7 caregivers, trying to keep for our son, beau, when he came your children safe and learning while you continue to work home from a year in iraq with a remotely from home. if you had to put your career on cancer that wasn't whether he hold indefinitely or seen your would live, it was just how long hours cut or your job lost, the he would live. confusion, the confusion over school reopening only makesu kn months, it's only underscored months upon months. how vital it is families and so many of you are going through older merps to have community care, choices that fit their real needs.

you know, we're trapped in a care giving crisis, within an what i did without help. economic crisis, within a health there's that sense where you don't know if everything is care crisis. going to turn out okay. you're doing everything you can, but this president is not. if i'm your president, here is i'm here to tell you that it can be and it will be. what i would do. first, let's start by caring for aging relatives and loved ones my dad was an honorable, decent with disabilities, helping them man. his great regret that he never got to go to college. live independently. here is an example. my dad, like many of your right now, there are parents, got knocked down a few times. he always got back up. people who are eligibl care thr he worked hard to build a great medicaid, who have already signed up for it. middle class life for our but they're waiting for a phone call, a phone call back. family. for some, the wait is five he would say, joey, i don't expect the government to solve years. five years. my plan makes a bold investment my problems, but i sure as hell expect them to understand my so states can clear the waiting problem. list, to make sure we ease the i understand. financial burden for more a maj to my very core and i also know that together we can do this. this is america.

we don't settle. we aspire. and we succeed so let's get the hell -- heck up and get it done. let's get to wore. i went to my grand pop's house in scranton when my dad lost his job, we would live with my grandpop. he would say keep the faith and my grandma would yell, no, joey, spread it. let's spread the faith. we can do this. there is not a single thing we cannot do. thank you for listening. i look forward to your questions at another time but i'm off to another event. thank you, principal. thank you for having us here. appreciate it very, very much. thank you, senator. >> you've been listening to presumptive democratic presidential nominee joe biden

from new castle, delaware. i'm joined by gloria borgeer and cnn global economic analyst to break all of this down. rana, some of the top line numbers, $775 billion over ten years, which would expand child and home health care. tax credits for low and middle class income families. >> absolutely. it's addressing the short term and the economic long game. listen, 40% of american households have a school-age child at home right now. this is a big issue. are we going to open schools? you're addressing the short-term hit from covid but looking more broadly and saying what are the hinderances after the pandemic to american growth? a lot of women, in particular,

can't go out to their full potential and help the economy because of child care problems. these are all good short-term but also long-term fixes. very smart. >> gloria, he said the president quit on you, that he's distracted and doesn't care much about dealing with coronavirus and he specifically hit him for this white house position of resisting gop calls for cdc for testing and tracing. >> laying out specifics on a three-part economic plan, but hitting donald trump where polls

show it hurt hits with the american people. 60% disapprove of the kind of work donald trump is doing to try to solve the covid crisis. he said we're trapped within a health care crisis. the president is supposed to care, he is supposed to lead, never give up. this is about dignity and respect. saying look i had a lot of help with my sister and my mother and my family but i know what you are feeling because i've been through it. there's a sense here as joe biden as the person who is able to relate to you as an individual. and is empathetic. one of the main charges against donald trump throughout the covid crisis is that he has not been able to relate to people who are suffering both economically and personally about the effects of the crisis.

this is joe biden's empathy, which people believe is a real selling point if you look at the polls. >> rana, go on. >> we know biden has empathy. this time around he connected policy and empathy, which he doesn't always do. >> yes. >> that's why it was a very smart speech. >> let's bring in mj lee, who was there at the event. first off, give us a sort of sense of this event in the age of covid but also it's worth noting that biden doesn't take questions. he didn't take questions today and generally doesn't take questions at speeches and comes under fire from the trump campaign about that. >> reporter: right. first of all, brianna, it's strike when we've seen joe biden make these public speeches and he has probably been averaging one in-person campaign event a week, every single one of those events has been about the

economy the past few weeks they are also tied to the economy and pandemic. he said the president has quit on you, quit on the country. and as gloria was saying, trying to capture the depth of the crisis that the country is in right now, a care giving crisis within an economic crisis within a health care crisis and saying that the president right now doesn't understand that there is no way to separate out the economic crisis the country is in to the economic piece of this, that the two go hand in hand. president trump has been widely criticized for his handling of this pandemic. there are concerns even among republicans that there isn't a national message coming from the white house. and i think the empathy point

you guys were talking about is a really important one. that is a big concern when a lot of people watch the president, they're not necessarily sure that he gets what sort of concerns and worries people who are taking care of children, not knowing when their kids can go back to school while juggling their jobs or worrying about taking care of their elderly family members and relatives, that they're not sure all the time whether the president fully understands the depth of those concerns. for joe biden, whose campaign has emphasized so often that he is a candidate with a lot of empathy, for him to talk about his own experience of having been a single parent, that they understand what it's like to see your parents in hospice care and even bringing up his late son, beau, and saying they understand what it's like to take care of a family member that sick. all that have is intentional. all that have is a political message, even though it is wrapped up in an economic plan

and unveiling of an economic plan. former vice president joe biden did not take questions. this is not something that the campaign is doing much, if at all. no campaign events where he has taken additional questions from reporters. >> mj, thank you so much. thank you to rana and gloria as well. just in, new study shows what would happen if 90% of people did three simple things in the middle of this pandemic. the sheriff of jacksonville is sounding the alarm over security concerns at the republican convention. the trump campaign will join us to respond. and even as the president dismisses testing, the president said he is being tested, quote, multiple times a day. we'll have a doctor weigh in next. ♪ come on in, we're open.

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call for your free publisher kit today! the republican party is now on notice that safety and security are not achievable at their national convention in jacksonville, florida next month, the assessment coming from jacksonville's republican sheriff. >> with a growing list of challenge challenges, be it financial, with the timeline, i cannot say with confidence that this event or community will not be at risk. every effort has been made to meet the mission to keep our city safe. at this point, we're simply past the point of no return to execute the event safely again with the safety and security that is our obligation for this community. i'm not the rnc planner, so someone will have to come up with a plan but this one is not going to work.

>> now the party is planning to bring together thousands of people for president trump's nomination acceptance speech. the sheriff saying there that this plan, as he has it, is not going to work. he says they are past the point of no return. i'm joined now by trump campaign communications director tim murtoch. thank you for coming back on the show. >> sure. >> what's happening here? what is the party going to do about the convention? are you considering another city? are you tightening up plans here? >> no, we're not considering another city. jacksonville is where we're going to be. we have confidence it will be a great series of events over the course of four days and it will be safe and the security will be well maintained. we continue to work with state and local authorities, and we have very much respect for them. and we would point out that law enforcement in jacksonville will have access to a big pile of federal money, both the republican and the democratic national conventions will be qualified as national security

events. and so they'll have access to some $30 million of federal law enforcement funds to be able to use there. so, we're looking forward to a great event to celebrate the renomination of president trump and president pence and we know that the local police will have the resources they need to see that everybody is safe. >> it sounds from what sheriff williams is saying, the resource that he doesn't have is a good plan, right? he said we should be fine tuning this, and i don't have a solid plan, he said, from the rnc. >> well, i would point out that police are providing security for large-scale -- >> do you disagree with him? >> hold on. i'm going to answer your question. law enforcement in the city of jacksonville have a lot of experience for providing security for large-scale events. they pack 70,000 people inside a football stadium. i'm sure they can handle security like the republican

national convention. >> is that a national security event? as you pointed out these th one is. they're different, you know that. >> they are different. that's why they'll have access to $30 million of a doj grant because it is designated as a national security event. >> okay but he said, quote, there's got to be some major reworking of what's happening. is that going on? >> well, we have been working with local officials and the city of jacksonville and the state of jacksonville since the determination was made to move the main part from charlotte to jacksonville. so, absolutely. we've been in the planning process and working with those people on the ground have the very beginning. again, jacksonville does have great experience with large-scale events, larger than this one. an nfl football game crowd is a lot larger than what will be packed into the rnc convention arenas and the $30 million of doj funds that jacksonville will

have access to will go an awful long way to easing the sheriff's mind, we believe. we continue to work with them. and we are going to have a great event to renominate president trump and vice president pence. >> okay. i want to move on and talk about masks with you, because this is something that we've seen a shift with the president on. he tweeted a photo of himself wearing a mask yesterday. he said -- essentially he said it's patriotic. many people say it's patriotic to wear a mask. then he showed up last night at an indoor fund-raiser not wearing a mask, not socially distancing appropriately. why are there mixed messages here? >> i don't think it's ever been a mixed message. the president has always encouraged people to follow the guidelines, encouraged people to wear masks if they can't social distance. remember, the president is the most tested man in america. and so he posted a picture of himself, saying it was patriotic

to wear a mask, encouraging people to do so. in other settings the president and people around him know they're not at risk. people around the president are always tested and so that's not a situation where social distancing would be required. and since you're talking about a shift -- >> all those people at that fupd raiser were tested? >> in march -- hold on, brianna. >> you said they were all tested. were they all tested around him? >> the people around the president, yes. >> in that video -- >> hold on. let me ask you -- >> all the people around the president in that video were tested? >> people who are around the president are routinely tested. i've answered that a few times now. let me talk about cnn for a second. in march how come you had dr. ari emmanuel and elizabeth cohen telling people not to wear masks because it wopt do any good because you don't wear masks during flu season and it won't help. also if you don't have symptoms, don't wear a mask. and so you're going to hold the president to a different

standard than you're holding your own programming. and i don't understand that. you want to talk about a shift, that is a shift. >> you are aware that administration officials, at the beginning, were advising people not to wear masks, because they wanted them reserved for front line workers. look, tim, there is a discussion to be had. >> that's not what your doctor said, brianna. it's a moving target with you. that's not what your doctor said. >> i don't have the quotes, tim. >> said that they don't help. >> tim, what i'm saying to you is there's a question from the trickle down, what came from the administration on mask and specifically coming from the president himself, as to the effect that that has had on people, and that is a conversation worth having. but here we are, months later, with the president finally wearing a mask. you say you don't think he has been inconsistent. but let's take a listen to what the president has said over time here when it comes to masks. >> the masks, it's going to be really a voluntary thing.

you can do it. you don't have to do it. i'm choosing not to do it. some people may want to do it. but that's okay. i think wearing a face mask as great presidents, prime minister, dictators, kings, queens, i don't know. somehow i don't see it for myself. i would wear one if it was -- if i thought it was important. >> and we should mention that dr. fauci, at the beginning, and other administration officials, were trying to keep people away from n95 masks because there was a shortage of those masks with front line workers. you're aware of that, certainly, because there was a big issue with the administration when it came to trying to bring those supplies. these are cloth coverings that we're talking about, like the president was wearing, just to be clear. so, why is he being inconsistent? he seems to have made a shift that experts say, look, that's the right thing. he's tweeting out a picture of himself wearing a mask and then he reverses it last night going to this fund-raiser indoors.

you didn't answer my question. you can't tell me everyone around him was tested and also testing doesn't stop people from getting the coronavirus. you're aware of that? >> let's go back to the masks here, brianna. when the president took office and we looked at the n95 national stockpile, it was almost empty. that was because the obama/biden administration failed to replenish it following the pandemics that they faced during their administration. so, if people were saying don't wear masks because medical professionals will need them and there might be a shortage, it's because the national stockpile had been depleted. that's when the president enlisted the role of the private sector and got the whole of america into the production of masks and other ppe. and i would point out ventilators. you remember at the beginning of this entire process we heard an awful lot out of new york, california and other states about what they perceived to be a looming shortage of ventilators. that shortage never materialized because -- >> obama left 19,000 ventilators

in the plan. you know, tim, obama left 19,000 ventilators in the plan so you're lying and you're talking like it's 2017. it's 2020, sir. it is 2020. it has been almost four years. >> hold on a second. let's talk about this for a second. the testing program that the president has instituted here in this country, we tested -- >> what testing program? >> 46 million americans. what testing program? the reason why testing program -- >> that the president has instituted. >> is because this -- hold on a second. the reason why testing program for the coronavirus didn't -- >> it's not a federal program, tim. he left it up to states. >> because there was no tests. listen to this. there was no tests for the coronavirus because prior to this, there was no coronavirus. the test had to be invented first. before it could be mass produced and spread around the country. and that's what the president has achieved. 46 million tests have been conducted in this country. we're now testing 800,000 people a day. and that is widespread. >> yes, and they take two weeks and sometimes longer and you

know that. >> you are acting as if -- hold on a second. >> that if you don't test, get the results back within five days, those tests are pointless. this is a testing failure, tim. >> and the president -- hold on a second. no, it is not. it's a tremendous success story. we're leading the world in testing. 46 million tests of americans and 800,000 tests a day. >> not per capita, tim. >> hold on a second. they're allowing people to -- >> i can't hold on a second when you're not being honest. >> we're now allowing people with pool testing to test four and five people at a time and have those anaalyses. remarkable advances for a test, a disease that did not previously exist. it wasn't as though there was a coronavirus test sitting on the shelf somewhere that had to be simply mass produced. no. this test had to be invented in the first place. that's why it's called a novel coronavirus. it's because no one had ever

seen it before. >> tim, i can't even. >> all of this was created from nonexistence. >> tim, there was a lot of stuff swabs for the nose that at any time have to be a wheel that was reinvented and there were major problems getting those tests out and you know that. >> to determine if somebody -- but a swab is one thing, but to determine whether or not somebody actually has the virus is a test that had to be created where none existed before. this is not like -- >> it was actually done pretty -- >> this is a brand new disease. >> that's just not true. a lot of these got out very early and it turned out they were messed up tests and you're aware of that. the president is having these briefings. we're eagerly awaiting this coronavirus briefing the president is going to have. as far as we can tell, there won't be any experts there. so, what's the point of this? >> i don't know who is going to be at the briefing or not. i would note when the president was having the briefing largely the media was arguing that he should stop doing them.

then there was a period of time he wasn't doing them and the media began to complain about that and then having the next one, you'reto the coronavirus b. >> i see the disinfect ant knocks it out in a minute and is there a way we could do something like that, by injection, inside or almost a cleaning. >> wouldn't it me more helpful if he had some experts there? >> listen, he always list listens to the advice of dr. birx and dr. fauci. >> but that wasn't their advice. >> dr. fauci has said on many occasions that the president listened to his advice and never overruled him. but let's remember when you talk about things like this, you remember the hydroxychloroquine where the media was dead set

about talking about this because the president was talking. >> that is not why. it is because it killed people. >> and that study had to be withdrawn. and now there is another study that shows that it could cut deaths by as much as 50%. >> are you talking about the study that also using -- the study that also includes corticosteroids which are helpful in coronavirus. it is not hydroxychloroquine. >> your cherry picking. >> i'm not cherry picking. i talk to scientists and doctors. >> we had the national news media because a couple drank fish tank cleaner. >> there is a study that includes corticosteroids, hide rourky chloroquine studies have been withdrawn.

and they stopped because it was unethical because it is dangerous to people. >> your network and other networ networks practically accused the president. >> you're on here talking about hydroxy b chloroquine and if you're going to talk about how this is a good treatment when doctors have said no it is not and studies has been canceled. >> dr. fauci himself said he would prescribe it. do you consider dr. fauci a -- to the people. >> i don't hear him saying that people have been taking hydroxychloroquine. >> would you prescribe it and he said yes. go back and check your news archives. i think you'll find that to be the case. >> tim, i think you're doing a real disservice to americans to everyone out there, we've talked to a number of doctors and experts including federal experts, this is not something that you want to be playing

with. studies have been canceled because this is so dangerous. tim murta thank you for coming on. >> it is been used for 65 years. how dangerous could it possibly be. it is a known -- it is a known -- >> it is an anti-malarial drug. >> so how d be. you just said it is a dangerous drug but yet you admit it was used for 65 years. >> to prevent malaria for -- >> will it kill you or not. you just said it was dangerous yet -- >> i don't think people on their deathbed are giving a medication to prevent them getting -- no, we're done with this part -- >> used by people on their deathbed. >> we're done with this conversation. i think that you're just really confusing the situation and it does no service to anyone's health especially. tim murta with the trump campaign. >> there is a lot to be said for this interview, you're right.

>> actually stand by. i wan to bring in dr. james phillips standing by and make he could shed light. you're the expert. i feel like i'm talking about this until i'm through in my face and i've spoken to doctors like you and you just react when it comes to hydroxychloroquine and i want to be clear because this is a health issue. >> thanks for having me on, brianna. i prepared to talk about recent studies and other things but this most recent interview is just unbelievable. so, we've got to get all of the politics and the craziness out of there. hydroxychloroquine has not been proven in this disease to any degree that doctors should be prescribing this to patients outside of a clinical trial. the clinical trials performed so far for the most part do not show any efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. in addition it could cause

serious illness and heart problems so to say it is not dangerous is not necessarily true. it has been studied in the setting of parents with malaria. those are patients with a particular type of symptoms and disease. different drugs different and they work in different ways depending on the situation of the patient. and the studies that have been done in patients with covid-19 are not conclusive enough to be able to say this is safe. studies have shown that patients have died because of the disridge mias that occur. so i agree what was just recently said was irresponsible and being said for political reasons and i completely disagree with it. >> is tim murta still with us. can he -- can we bring him into the conversation. he's no longer with us. can you speak to his logic, i guess you could say, of this idea of a drug has been used for

decades so it must be somehow healthy to give to people who are suffering from covid. to be clear, this is an anti-malarial drug and i think it is pretty -- i think it is pretty basic and understanding that you can't even -- even drugs given for decades for a number of things, you don't just give them so somebody who is incredibly ill that that is not a guarantee it is not a risk to them. >> that is absolutely right. that is why in our country we have the fda that is very strict about medications that are approved for use in a particular situation or illness and off label requires a pretty significant look at safety and protocols on when they use them. you know, take a look at something simple like aspirin. aspirin is an over-the-counter medication used for more than -- almost a hundred years. for various number of things from headaches to backaches. but it is also a blood thinner.

people die daily because of the use of aspirin. say someone on a daily aspirin falls and hits their head, they could have have a bleed that could cause them to die and they wouldn't have died if they weren't on that aspirin. so aspirin is not as safe as we think it is. so we try to limit its use. even in heart disease. so the idea just because a medication was approved 65 years ago for a treatment of malaria does not mean it is safe for everybody to take and that is exactly what i think your point is. is that we can't -- it is why we don't let people prescribe their own medications and like where you could get real medications without a prescription in other countries. it requires an expert's guidance. and i think your points were valid and what he was saying was irresponsible. >> and when murta said fauci

recommended hydroxychloroquine. that wasn't true. it is hard to fact check on the moment. fauci never said it was effective. he told peter navarro that the drive he was hyping was unproven. i'm sorry you have to talk about hydroxy cloerk and it is it is important that we knock these things down. so thank you so much. we appreciate you coming on. >> thanks for having me on. >> unproven it is. breaking, we have' new study revealing how to stop a large outbreak of coronavirus if 90% of people wash their hands, if they wore a mask and social distancing, consistently, it would reduce the spread significantly. i want to bring in health reporter jacqueline howard to join me now. so the study was released moments ago and i think it is good news because these are things that all of us can do.

so give us the specifics. >> the researchers took data looking at how our behaviors like preventative measures like mask wearing, social distancing, washing our hands, how all of the behaviors would influence the path of a pandemic. and what they found, i'll quote the study here, it says sars cov 2 will not cause a large outbreak in a country where 90% of the population adopts hand washing and social distancing. so this study showing how we're not defenseless against the pandemic and that is something that health officials have been saying for sometime now. if we just social distancing and wash our hands and wear a mask, that could help curb the pandemic. now the modeling study was based on data from the netherlands but the study said that the findings do apply to other western countries, too. so that is what was found. >> well i think it is good news,

jacqueline. it is pretty basic. easy stuff we can all do. so thank you so much for breaking it down for us and letting us know it is effective, what so many people have been adding to their daily routines. jacqueline howard, thank you. cnn special coverage continues with brooke baldwin. we will take it from here. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. you're watching cnn. and the breaking news on the spread of covid-19 in the united states, the number of americans who have been infected could be as many as 6 to 24 times higher than the total number of reported cases. that is according to the centers for disease control which analyze results from ten different cities and states between march and early may. and the startling statistic comes as the u.s. inches closer and closer to 4 million confirmed cases. and while half of the nation is holding steady or showing a downward trend, the other half