back then duke required female medical students to remain single. but kitty didn't want to be told what to do and instead married her husband hank hoffman and turned to teaching. they were married for 58 years before he died. they had a son together. kitty was known as a strong woman, friends and colleagues say she was witty, fiercely intelligent, and lived a long and vibrant life. kitty hoffman was 105 years old. may all of their memories be a blessing. the news continues. i hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." welcome to "primetime." i am chris cuomo. this country is not going to get back on track unless there is a plan to reopen schools safely. that's what i mean when i say let's get after it. we're not selling t-shirts here. every day that passes without the task force, this white house, congress, someone in power on the federal level

telling us what will be done to help the states because just look around you. they clearly don't have the resources or wherewithal to go it alone. every day that passes without a plan is a day that makes it less likely we will get this all important job done. what the president peddled today will not cut it. >> we do have a national strategy but ultimately it is up to the governors of the states. i would like to see the schools open a hundred percent safely and carefully but when you look at the statistics i just read having to do with children and safety, they are very impressive. they have very strong immune systems. they do say that they don't transmit very easily and a lot of people are saying they don't transmit, they don't catch it easily.

they don't bring it home easily. if they do catch it they get better fast. we're looking at that fact. >> not a fact. something that is unknown, and we do not know how asymptomatic people including kids present as spread risks. so if it is unknown it is not a fact. what about the people teaching them? what about the people taking care of the schools? what about if they get sick? you have to have a plan. you have to think. you can't just want things to happen. it is also not a fact that we have a strategy. trump saying there is a strategy, if anything, makes it less likely. here is the rule. we only know what they can show. where is this plan? the cdc had guidelines for states. the white house closed them down. stop the bs. the president said he knows the pandemic may get worse. what are you going to do about it? make a plan. let the experts do it. bring them to the briefings so we can hear the truth.

the truth about what we know and don't about kids and cases. listen. >> i think there are still open questions there and that is why the president concluded with we are studying this very hard. i think it is a very important question that we have to understand do children under 10 transmit the virus less? that is what the south korea study suggests but i think it really needs to be confirmed here. >> not a fact. she did her best to cover for what he said. he never emphasized the studying part. he made it sound to you like he knew. he doesn't know. because the scientists don't know because it's not scientific. we haven't studied it. we don't know. so we need a plan. #whereistheplan. #doyourjob. congress, too. be outraged at the inaction. show us what should be done.

hold zoom hearings. come to us from your districts. tell us what they need. call out the president. call out the task force. do something. the rest of us. we have to get loud about this. i know you're frustrated and you've had it. how do we get to a better place? we only know what they show. for instance trump showing up alone. why? so the scientists aren't there to rebut his bs. we don't have any more time for this. we're about to hit 4 million new cases and on track to hit a million new cases in a two-week time frame. our covid death toll topped a thousand yesterday for the first time in two weeks. nearly 13,000 cases reported just today in california. a new record there. they now have the highest total cases in the united states. i know i say these numbers and it is like the teacher from charlie brown. i know that we're drowning in numbers.

i'm just doing the obvious to present the obvious. we're not doing well. we know why. that is the part that's killing me. we know why. the testing is a nightmare. the testing is a nightmare. how many of you have heard stories that people still can't find a place to get a test, got to wait in line for hours, and if they do get the test, how long for a result? some 24, 48 hours. great. others? come on. be honest. more often than not, days. a week. more than a week. what good is that? what about all the things that happen in those week, ten days? are you supposed to just stay home even if you don't feel badly? nobody is telling you what to do. and the president is at best all talk. he finally told you yesterday masks are a must. it's been true for months. when it comes to action, that's his job. it's hard to find a mask at his

indoor white house event today. if it is so important, where are they? all these guys immune? are they people we can get plasma from and study? what does this tell you? the president says he'll make a decision in the next 24 hours about mandating mask use in federal buildings like the white house. why didn't he set the example and start today? why didn't they have masks on? because it is not real to him. he's scared. he doesn't like the polls. but that's not our problem. we have to get our kids back to school. it is the key. why? because in order to get kids back to school we have to up the smarts of how we test. we have to test better, smarter. we have to trace more smarter. it will require communities to have to be more responsible because you need to keep your numbers in check for the kids. we have to have a plan because we have to be doing the same things in similar places across the country so there is

continuity to the change. otherwise we'll keep getting killed by pockets, clusters. if the kids aren't in school you can't get back to work the way you want. how many of you hear about people having to take part-time work because they can't do the hours. the kids are home. the economy can't accelerate. the kids are the hub. if we are not all together and with a plan that unites efforts i'm telling you, we are in for a long, hard winter. let's look at the reality with chief dr. sanjay gupta. thank you for joining me as always. just to be clear, i don't know of any strategy to help schools reopen. every state official i talk to expresses need and frustration that while they've had a little contact here and there with the federal government there are no guidelines. there is no accessing of resources. there is no real help to figure out what they are struggling to figure out themselves. your experience? >> i talk to administrators all

over the country and it is a total patchwork. different strategies in different places. people trying to figure it out on their own. to their credit, many of the administrators trying to look at the science, asking me about the scientific data, you know, trying to figure this out. there's a couple of things that we do know. there's a lot we don't. there are a couple things we do know and that is this south korean study i think was an interesting study. these are hard studies to do. they did a contact tracing study and found that kids 10 and older spread the virus just as much as adults. just keep that in the back of the mind as you think about what is likely to happen in areas where the virus is already spreading. take a look at this graphic from israel. chris, i'm sure you've seen this before but you can get an idea of what could possibly happen in a community when the schools start to reopen. you could see a sudden, significant increase overall in cases. this is what we're trying to avoid. second point, chris. very important one. and this was part of those

gating criteria from months ago that everyone basically ignored as soon as they came out. they basically said if you have 14 day downward trend in the community you're ready to graduate to the next phase. on the flip side they said if you see five days of sustained increase in your community you've got to go back to the earlier phase and that means not opening schools. i mean, you know, look. it is as simple as that. we don't know about kids younger than 10, chris. they haven't been out as much since mid march. they don't have as many contacts. they are much harder to study but could also be spreading the virus and that is the big concern here. >> you don't have to be certain about the science. my reckoning from talking to different people is let's plan this way. assume they're all going to have it. plan that way. assume it's going to happen. you're going to have cases. so now what do you do? what kind of equipment do you need for the teachers? what kind of spacing? what kind of staffing?

i don't hear any idea, you know, robust idea debate coming. i don't hear it on the federal level. i don't hear it on the state level. we have the superintendent from fairfax county. they pulled back. they're going all remote now. i want to question that. did they think about the unused public spaces, the libraries, the churches that aren't being used, renting them, bringing in more staff? are they thinking this way? is anybody telling them to think this way? you know, i think we're really going to set ourselves up, doc, for the next wave of pain by what happens with our kids. >> yeah. i think you're right. i think because there hasn't been guidance people are sort of trying to come up with some of these strategies on their own. i talked to my own school administrator for my kids and what's the biggest concern? square footage they said. we just need space. we're trying to find space in all the various ways we can. the other thing, chris, you brought this up for many months now and just said it again, the testing. it's very interesting to me that even if you go to the cdc guidelines now they say there is

no universal sort of requirement or guidance around testing. i still don't understand why not. why don't we have to -- it is not a panacea. i'm not suggesting that it is. but if you have more available, rapid, accurate testing, you'd have a pretty good idea at least you are not carrying the virus. people around you are not carrying the virus. it is remarkably hard to get. chris, i was in the operating room on monday doing brain surgery on somebody. i could not get a covid test on the patient i was about to operate on. therefore i had to wear personal protective equipment. all my residents, the anesthesiology team, the scrub nurses, circulating nurses, everybody had to do it. we could do brain surgery on someone, check their coagulation numbers. do a cardiac eco on somebody, i can do all these tests, sophisticated tests on this patient. do this operation on this patient but we still can't get a rapid response covid test to know we're at least not dealing with somebody who has covid and we don't have to wear personal

protective equipment throughout entire operation. that is where we still are in july in this country. so, you know, the schools -- >> why wouldn't we be there? you've been around a lot of different viruses and situations around the world. without exception in every circumstance you've been in the catalyst for change is always the man or woman in charge. they are on message. they are repeating the message to death. they are all about that message. they make it their mantra. they make it their methodology for leadership. they make it the sum total of their existence. obviously i'm not objective about the guy but my brother talked about nothing else but what they had to do. did he get everything right? of course not. but we don't have that here. the president doesn't want to own testing. he doesn't want these numbers to be real. the only explanation that makes sense. you talk to the task force guys all the time. they want to do the job. the cdc guys. they want to do the job. why aren't they doing it differently or more? they're told not to. that's got to be the only

answer. there is no other answer that makes sense. we've never done it this way before. >> i think that the testing problem in some ways has been a manifestation of a larger issue almost since the very start which was a desire to minimize this problem. to ignore it, pretend it wasn't there. lost an entire month of february, part of march, in that time the virus continued to spread like wildfire as everyone has described it now. so when we say that we've done more testing now in terms of absolute numbers, perhaps that's true. but that's because we needed to because we have a lot more viral spread. but i think the original sin even before testing is really the, i think, the tip of the spear problem, but before that even is this desire to minimize the problem. what i think boggles my mind, chris, is that at this point even, even in hospitals, nursing homes, there are places that still have a hard time getting tests. >> and getting them processed. the results. >> if you don't get them back

within five days they are really not doing anything in terms of curbing this pandemic. i'll take it a step further after talking to sources yesterday. the idea of testing so you can bring down the numbers, isolate, quarantine, all that, i think we've basically -- we're in no position to do that right now because there is so much virus. all we can do is flag hot spots. fire there. throw water on it. fire there. throw water on it. that is no way to take care of the underlying problem. it is just taking care of the symptoms. so that is what really worries me is we're not addressing the fundamental, underlying problem in this country. >> we are not taking care of what we can and we're being arrogant about what we don't understand, making assumptions about kids, about asymptomatic, the study that just came out of ucla. i've been speculating on this for a long time because anecdotally i keep hearing people saying i didn't have that bad of a case but my antibodies are gone. isn't that weird? i keep hearing from people. hey i got tested again. my antibodies are gone. we're hearing it. we'll see what it means. this comfort we're taking that

when people get it this is over for them i don't buy it. dr. gupta, i love you and thank you. >> you got it. we'll talk soon. >> again, this isn't pie in the sky talk. other countries that are far less sophisticated than we are from a public health perspective have come up with ways to reopen schools and keep them open. why haven't we? why don't we have a plan? just demanding, open says me, is not magic. it doesn't cut it. they'll need guidance and resources. we need a strategy that can be applied to similar situations across this country. what is the task force doing otherwise? we have big school districts in the president's back yard now defying pressure from the white house. why? because they can't do what he is saying to do. the superintendent of one, loudoun county, on why -- they had a plan and now had to pull back and go all virtual. i said fairfax, i meant loudoun,

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combined with distance learning. now they're going all remote. interestingly, education secretary betsy devos called fairfax county's original hybrid plan a disaster. my question that we'll be able to get an answer to i think in a second is did she offer any better guidance to any of these counties? is there any resource offer? is there a guideline? is there a plan? is there even an extended offer? joining us now the superintendent for loudoun county public schools eric williams. mr. williams, thank you for joining "primetime." >> thank you. i appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. >> let's talk macro then get micro. am i unaware of this plan offered to you and other counties all over the country from the federal government with how you should reopen safely and how you can get resources if you need them and good ideas to make it happen? >> so we have not received federal assistance as it relates to the specifics of planning to reopen schools. we have received some support

and resource documents at state level but not from the federal level. >> okay. now of course i knew that. i want people to hear from you. i really think this is a big problem. you are faced with challenges you cannot satisfy on your own. you don't have the money. you don't have the staffing. you don't have the space. you don't have anybody giving you solutions to those problems. is that an accurate assessment? >> it is absolutely accurate that the resources and the solutions are key challenges that we face. >> okay. on the federal level they're not doing it. you haven't heard of anything like that. a little bit from the state which should make sense right? it is primarily a state issue but you would think in a state of emergency you'd have federal assistance. now to the micro. why did you pull back from the hybrid to the all remote? >> so we received state guidance, the state commissioner saying before you reopen you

need to have a health plan filed and the governor is setting forth parameters for how we can reopen schools. within three weeks as you mentioned, on june 29th, our board had endorsed this concept of opening with a hybrid model while also offering parents a choice of a hundred percent distance learning. within three weeks, our board voted to support my recommendation last night, so within three weeks we received new information that led us to instead plan to start the new school year a hundred percent distance learning with few exceptions, with a plan to implement our hybrid, original hybrid plans in stages. >> why? >> so we received a number of different, additional information. first of all, we had new experience with implementing in-person learning ourselves on a very limited basis. so last monday, ten days ago, we began a very small scale

providing in-person learning to students with disabilities, and that experience has really reinforced our understanding of the challenges related to in-person learning. >> how so? >> well, just for example so students, very well meaning students, arrive at the beginning of this abbreviated day, 4, 4 1/2 hours, wearing face coverings. and it varies extensively in terms of the extent and length of day they ended up wearing them. so that is an example of one challenge. also, some students have particular challenges in terms of not being able to operate effectively with -- and still maintain 6 feet of physical distancing, successfully working with certain students requires closer contact. so that's a challenge.

so our experience with the in-person learning has shown the complexities. it is not just about students but it is about consistent practices by staff who are incredibly hard working but we need to give reminders to administrators and teachers need to constantly remind us, hey. we do need to pay attention to 6 feet physical distancing. that is just one piece of additional information. some other new information that we have from our -- the director of loudoun county health department relates to the amount of time to receive test results. so in the last several weeks the amount of time for processing test results -- >> too long -- >> -- in loudoun county has increased. >> yeah. >> the director of the health department explains that is a result of the national rise in cases. but that increase in testing is of significant concern. >> yep. i keep hearing it.

i keep hearing it. i know you guys are talking to one another and starting all these new network connections and stuff around educators around the country. i don't even like that. i mean obviously we love communication between people. you learn from each other. but you shouldn't have to. you guys are like all islands across the country trying to figure out things for yourself. the testing is the key because you can't have six, seven, ten days before you know whether you have a problem in a group like that. everybody becomes exposed to risk. well, look. we'll stay on this because you need better solutions. remote learning stinks. stinks for you guys. it stinks for the families. it stinks for the economy. we have to find better solutions. i appreciate you putting health first and looking for solutions. superintendent eric williams, you're always welcome to use this as a platform to tell us the reality on the ground. okay? >> sounds good. >> all right. just think about if we had the same urgency. you heard the guy. all right? he does not get paid to not have school. it is not good for his future to be coming up with solutions like

this. i guarantee people are not happy with what they're hearing. but you can't get the tests back. why? why haven't we had the energy on the federal level for this that the president put into the wall? that the president is putting into this surge of federal agents? it is not a state issue either. this is not about protecting courthouses. okay? it's not what was happening in portland. you know it. you saw it first person on the tape. you met the guy, the navy vet who went there and they tried to kick his ass. okay? it wasn't about him going into the courthouse. it's about hyperpolicing in those situations to send a political message and the president wants to do more. the cities plagued with violent crime. i'm going to send more of my guys in. what does that have to do with courthouses? the governors that want more help fighting covid? they're on their own. why? why all the urgency to deal with a situation you can't control and can only make worse and no urgency on the situation you could actually help? can you answer that? let's deal with the controversy and the facts, next.

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timing matters. there are no coincidences. on the heels of what happened in portland with federal officers coming on the scene there, right? today a big announcement. a surge of federal law enforcement to combat the recent spike in homicides around the country. the president, attorney general, director of the fbi, acting dhs secretary all there. a lot more man power that showed -- than showed up to talk about the pandemic. a lot bigger offer of help with this as well. now, just saying additional federal officers are heading to chicago, kansas city, albuquerque, places where extra resources to track illegal guns could certainly help, it all came draped in lies that once again were backed up by the attorney general. >> the effort to shut down policing in their own communities has led to a

shocking explosion of shootings, killings, murders, and heinous crimes of violence. >> what we have seen is a significant increase in violent crime in many cities, and this rise is a direct result of the attack on the police forces. >> who says? so the increase in homicides around the country which was starting before all this that we're dealing with, that's because of the black lives matter movement? that's what the attorney general just said? what is his basis for saying that? now, what's the truth? he doesn't know that. not a single mayor of the cities targeted by today's announcement has called for defunding the police. not one. and barr's gross exaggeration of the number of arrests already in kansas city, on this show we've shown you real solutions that would mean tackling the inequality that permeates these

communities that creates the desperation that creates the crime. this president doesn't even talk about it. he doesn't even use the words systemic racism that flows through all of this. despite being vilified by this president, the mayors of chicago and kansas city say they welcome help. of course they do. as long as they don't see a repeat of what's going on in portland. this isn't about just coming there and beating people up. the spike in homicides is real. does the president have authority? yes. bill clinton did in 1999. he sent federal officers to fight gun crimes. it was done cooperatively. exactly that legitimate use of power which best illustrates the abuse, the abdication of that same authority by this president. opposition to this push is strong among democrats like the u.s. senator from new mexico that we have here tonight. now it's setting off local battles.

the senator that we're about to talk to is accusing the sheriff in albuquerque of inviting the president's, quote, storm troopers in. he wants the sheriff to pay a big price. we're going to talk to him right after this break. the reality on the ground. what will help. what won't. next.

we know as a matter of fact that homicide rates are spiking in cities across america. the number of gun related deaths in this country is dwarfed by the lives lost to coronavirus but they both matter. the question is, why is the president only paying attention to one? why is he so eager to talk up a so-called surge of federal law enforcement while it's been months of waiting on any real action to speed up testing or make our schools safe? where is the surge there? to help schools reopen? where is the surge to help hospitals in these states that are overwhelmed? why aren't they equal priorities? let's bring in new mexico democratic senator martin hinrich. good to see you and welcome to "primetime." >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with the basics.

did your state ask for help from the federal government with crime? >> the city of albuquerque, the mayor, the governor, none of them asked for this assistance. in part because there is simply no trust at a time when you see the kind of chaos that gets in sewn in places like portland or even in downtown washington, d.c.,. >> the sheriff asked. is that enough? what is your response? >> i'm sorry. ask again? >> a local sheriff asked for help and he was -- he is a big advocate for the feds coming in. is that enough? >> they're not sending the support to the county. they're sending that to the city. and they haven't even engaged with the city to talk about what that is going to look like. what we want to make clear is what is going on in portland, what went on in downtown washington, d.c. that is not the kind of help we want. if we're going to have help we need a written agreement about

what that looks like and it should prohibit the kind of actions we've seen in portland. >> what do you think this is about for the president? >> re-election pure and simple. he wants to make albuquerque, he wants to make chicago, he wants to make portland a stage for his re-election campaign. otherwise he'd have been there two years ago, three years ago, four years ago. this is all about his re-election and a distraction from his failure to be able to address the public health crisis. >> now for the point of advocacy, i'm okay with the president making it about his election as long as he is doing the right thing. that's what he should be doing to secure the election. what is your criticism of this methodology of help? >> one, he has created conflict where conflict did not need to happen. two, we just haven't gotten any real help. we've got a lot of rhetoric, a big photo op at the white house. the last time the president tried to engage with the city of albuquerque $10 million was

promised and never delivered. that is not how we solve these issues. we need a lot more action. a lot more delivery. and a lot less campaign promises. >> what is your concern if a bunch of federal agents touch down in different municipalities within your state? >> if they have uniforms on, if they're identifiable, if they're operating within their jurisdiction, we work with the feds in new mexico all the time as a matter of course. what we're not used to seeing is the kind of action that we saw in portland where people are unidentifiable, where it's hard to tell whether they're actually law enforcement or not and when you have, you know, people who are protesting in a way that is completely nonviolent like the navy veteran that you mentioned and he gets his arm broken and pepper sprayed like we don't need that in our communities.

we love our city. we want to bring down crime and we'll bring down crime with anyone who wants to partner with us. but we will not be a back drop for a campaign commercial that doesn't do anything to solve the underlying problems and the underlying systemic racism and inequality that you talked about. >> you can't stop it either. what happens next? >> well we can stand up to it and we're not going to have -- we've got a mayor. we've got a city police department. we've got a governor. we've got a community that expects more from this administration. we're simply not going to take this lying down. we're going to keep fighting until we have guard rails in place to make sure that law enforcement is actually about solving crimes and not just, you know, a campaign promise with no follow through. >> the mayor of chicago, the illinois governor, and the mayor of kansas city, they all welcome help but they're saying what you are saying. your mayor in albuquerque does

not welcome help but that aside it is about how -- >> actually i want to say i listened to him tonight on another -- on a radio station. what he said is we don't have the trust to know that what we're going to get is help. >> okay. >> we want to solve crimes and we want to work with the feds but we need some guard rails to make sure that that's actually what we're going to get and we're not going to get what they're getting in portland. >> senator, we'll stay on the situation and we remain a platform for you to let us know what is happening on the ground and the realities in the state. >> we will. >> all right. be well and thank you. >> thank you. all right. here's another story that's becoming all too common. the outcome is extreme. that's why i'm telling you. a 21-year-old goes out partying. hard to keep them home, right? let's be honest. even in the covid era. it was against the wishes of the parents. again, it is not easy. all right? why are the parents worried?

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-- real. [ hoarse coughing ] >> there but for the grace go i but not you if you stay your distance, if you wear your mask, if you wash your hands, if you observe the protocols, you got a chance of avoiding that. i am alive. the words from john place, husband and father, letting the world know he survived coronavirus after being on a ventilator for nearly 20 days. john in the land of the very -- of the damned is very fortunate. he tested positive along with his entire family after his 21-year-old son went to an event with friends where he contracted covid-19 and passed it on to the rest of the family. john's wife, michelle, joins us now to share their story. thank you for taking the opportunity to talk to us. how are you doing? how is the rest of the family? >> thank you so much, chris, for

having me. we're definitely much better now. we're hanging in there. it's been quite an emotional roller coaster to say the least. it is like living a real nightmare. you know, the past month. but doing the best i can taking care of the kids here but just and just our 6-year-old daughter, especially, was the one i think was hit the hardest because she is a daddy's girl. and every day, when's daddy coming home? where's daddy? you know, i miss daddy, i just want to see daddy. and we would facetime him as often as we could. so it's been hard but we're definitely better now that he's off the ventilator and we're so grateful and blessed that he is alive, as you heard. >> thank god. thank god for that and thank god for how you look and sound, too. you are obviously doing well. it doesn't hit everybody in the family the same way. the person i'm most concerned with is your son. the 21-year-old. he must feel horrible. does he understand that this is

just how it goes? is his head and his heart, is he in a good place? >> he definitely is. you know, we definitely talked about this, you know, quite a bit. and he knows that i did try to express to him, you know, every time, please, wear the mask. you know, social distance. try to wash your hands. take a shower when you get home. he's a grown man. you know, he is an adult so he has to make his own decisions. he knows he didn't choose wisely. and again, it's very hard. you know, kids are kids and i do get it. they want to hang out with their friends. they want to chill and, you know, they get very comfortable once they're in that setting, they're sort of lax and they take off the max. and no and now, they're drinking, they're in each o's faces prett much. in no way is this a blame game. he's very guilty and he's fvery afraid and scared of what was going to happen to his dad. you see it on tv and you say, wow, i can't believe it. but until it hits home, it

becomes real. they think they're invincible and they just want to hang out and party. and they live in a bubble and if it happens to them, no big deal. a little cold. a little flu. but that's not the case, you know, you spread it to one or come home, unfortunately, and then we all catch it. and if you have underlying issues, you see what can happen. you wind up in a hospital on a ventilator. >> now, what are they telling you about your husband? he got off the ventilator, after a long time. i mean, thank god. you know that he is in rare air right now, in terms of getting off after that period. what are they telling you about where he is in terms of how far out of the woods? >> you know, the doctors, for the most part, they said you're a very lucky woman that your husband pulled through this. you know, usually, 80, 90% don't come off. >> thank god. >> when they have diabetes, high blood pressure, and you know, other underlining issues. so what he came off that ventilator, it was like wow. and they were all ecstatic. a miracle.

it had to have been a miracle. you know? so we're just so grateful for that. and it's just amazing that he's pulled through. right now, he's far from out of the woods. his breathing has improved. you know, he went from a ventilator to oxygen mask. but he's weak. he can't lift his arm. his legs. he says they look like twigs. you can only imagine the muscle mass that you lose, and you have to start from scratch. now, it's rehab, physical therapy, occupational therapy. we have got a long road ahead. amongs of therapy a months of therapy and rehab. he's going to pull through and we're on the right track so we are very grateful. >> another reason that people don't want this. there are plenty enough, already. this ain't cheap if you get sick. you can't work. certainly, your situation, you weren't able to work. you had to take care of your kids. you had your husband in the hospital. the medical cost. yeah, you can get a test for

free. but what's happening in that hospital isn't free. and insurance is always on the side of paying you slow and asking for money fast. how much have you guys had to come out of pocket? >> well, so far, we haven't gotten a bill just yet. but i have heard from quite a few people that have experienced what i'm going through that a couple weeks even in the hospital in the icu on a ventilator starts at about 500,000 and up. if we're looking close to a million. you know, i don't have a clue. our industry was hit hard with the pandemic. we're both in the event industry. so needless to say, we have just been living off unemployment, which is near a couple thousand dollars. so now, hit with this. and then, rehab and possible other supplies that we need to provide for him when he does come home in a month or two or so down the road, you know, it's a lot. so luckily, i have been fortunate that my friend set up a go fund me for us. and we know people from all over the world. and hwe've been blessed that people, little by little, have been donating. and so grateful.

it's at least going to help us get ahead somewhere and at least pay the bills on the house because we have to take care of dad when he gets home. so it's going to be my next full-time job and i'll do it gladly. >> listen, we all tell each other for better or worse, right? and you're in that. you're in that, now. and i wish you the grace of strength to get through it. and we're very selective about talking about go fund me pages. and i know people are going to say, you know, the kid went out. this is what happens. yeah, i know. but again, i got a 17-year-old at home. she just got her license. i -- i don't see her but two days a week. i don't know where she is. you can't keep them home. it's too long. it's too hard. there is so much risk for all of us. again, there but for the grace, thank god you are making it through. i know you got a long way to go. send your son my best. send your kids my best and thank you for the example that you are

being to your family about strength in the center. all right? we will put out on social media how people can help you. okay? >> thanks so much for having me. god bless you all. thank you so much. be safe. >> i look forward to talking to your husband and for him to have big, full lungs. take care. >> you, too. you, too. thank you. >> we'll be right back. hike!

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