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all those lost in this pandemic. we hand it over to chris. >> all right, j.b., thank you. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. one thing is clear as we come to the end of the week and here it is. >> what changed this week? why did his tone change? >> he hasn't changed his tone. >> now, she is trying to get to you think that the president always said wear a mask. the president always said the pandemic was real and going to get worse. but she is right about tone. the president's tone hasn't changed. he is still tone deaf to this crisis. a million cases in two weeks. turn around times on test results. i don't need to tell you but it's true, what you know yourself. the results are getting longer and longer, over a week, even longer, in too many places, this
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president offers no plan. he says he wants schools to reopen in a work in some places, and offers no plan to help them do it, and to help them keep schools open. opening them is of. keeping them open will be hard. how do we keep our kids safe? how do we keep the teachers safe? nothing, that is tone deaf. the white house is right. schools are like essential places of business. why don't they treat them that way? make a plan. #whereistheplan? states are asking for help, you hear them on the show. they are getting none. bhi? he has waited so long to act that more than 150 prominent health experts say it's too late. they don't think swhe be open in any way. 150 say we need to shut down again and shut over, as the want way to get us back.
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and yes, i will argue against that, one of ftd big minds who is signing on to it. a key co-signer. that is about an open letter to america's decision makers about what they do and while. a former white house policy adviser joins us on prime time. good to see you. >> nice to be back. >> and first off, present the case. why do you and so many others believe that we need to take a step back? what does it mean and why? >> well, we reached the peak in april. we were coming down and then we had this rush to open up. we plateaued and now we're up even higher than we were in april. conversely, canada, germany, lots of other countries have been able to come down to zero. because they had a uniform national program.
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they executed. they wafted until the numbers came down very low before opening up and they opened up in stages. that is what we need to do. we really need to have everyone doing it. we have some states open, some closed down. some states wear masks. people travel. we need to have a fun tomorrow plan, they will have the numbers way down, and they will open up and pew press rather than have the situation where we have 70,000 cases a day, almost 1,000 deaths a day. that is untenable. >> all right, the response is no way on three different levels. let's go through them. first, no way because too many states have done it kind of the right way. new york, new england, the pacific northwest and they are able to do phrased reopenings, things are going well.
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they don't want to take a step back. what do you say about that? >> i think florida said the same thing. we don't have any cases here, early on in march and april. we're not seeing the problems in the hospitals, and what was my response then? just wait. and what will the response to new york? yeah there are people in florida who will come back, and you're going to have an outbreak. you do need to be serious. i want to say something, we have learned something since march and april. that is, you can be in the house. you are go out. you can walk, you've got a face mask on. you're going to stay six feet away. it's different than having dining inside restaurants, dining inside bars, gyms, and other things where the activity is, you know, inside, crowds for prolonged periods of time. we do know that we can actually have people have a more balance life while they are actually
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keeping separate and not having all these businesses open. >> the second, no way, welcome to america. these people don't want to do this. they are railing against masks. they are fighting in different places. i would argue, some egged on by the president until this week, and he certainly hasn't coulded out to any of his followers. so america won't do it. match in what do you say to that? >> we do have a problem, and the problem has been leadership and consistency in guy lance, and i i do think if the president got and this, and he did d get all of them behind it, you would have a different tone. people couldn't get a blessing. the president is the one who tweeted lib late michigan, minnesota. and it caused awill have of the
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problems. >> yeah, toxic. completely toxic. even until this week, and trump. as you know, the task force, the cdc, nih, they want to do more. hhs, they want to offer guidelines and standards. they want to have more control. the president is against it clearly. and on that score, how big a deal is it that he is saying open schools, but they offer no uniformed guidelines on how to do it, money for resource, and staff, ppe, et cetera, and saying on nationwide testing, we have so much great testing. but the way times are going up, and the accuracy, how important is a nationwide strategy and set of guidelines? >> oh, it's absolutely vital. i think you're totally right. you have been lacking that. if you read actually the cdc guidance on opening schools, it's 12 pages, two of with ch
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are footnotes. first two-thirds of it are justifications why we should open schools and the meat of it, basically four pages, is really more of a checklist. it doesn't consider opening schools in detail in all the questions, from transport to school, to classroom to lunch, to physical, to gym, recess, athletics. it doesn't go through all that, how to protect people. the main contribution, keep people in pods or groups. it's not guidance. >> i'm shocked by not having better ideas. i know they come to you for guy lance, we need square foot ge. but nobody's talking about the unused public spaces. the libraries, the churches, the l buildings that are not being used that could be rented and create commerce and student for schools. you know this, watching the show, if you go back in america's history, we have dealt
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with schooling in pandemics before. in big areas of infection, they did it outside. we adjusted to this before. we're not adjusting to it now, and it's so sad. vaccines, here is my concern with vaccines, zeke. i want your take. fauci says we're going to have one sooner than later. it's going well. i don't think people are going to want to take it. i think it's going to -- they will say it's not safe. i don't like vaccines any way. we don't know that it works. how do you deal with that? >> well, you have to deal with that like everything else. you need leader should up and a consistent message. the president has to take it himself. when we started polio, they got elvis to take it on the ed sullivan show. that's the kind of thing you need. you need to have happen here. you need celebrities to march up and be among the first to take it, and i think, you know, that
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is going to be absolutely necessary. polling does suggest that 60 to 70% of americans want the vaccine. only 60% of americans can get the flu shot every year. with get et it up to 70%, it would make a dramatic difference, and that is when we aim far. >> last point to you. >> yeah, one of the other things, having a vaccine and being able to produce it, putting in sterile virals and get it out there, that is a messive effort, and i have no assurance the president and his team are going to be able to do that. >> well, it won't be the president, luckily. it will be the guys at barta and the a team on warp speed. you know, you know some of those people. i know some of those people. they are the best of the business. there is as little interface with the white house as
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possible. let me but you on the spot. doc, when we get closer to having schools home, i would love to you have back on in a week or so. here is what they are not doing and here is what it will likely mean in a number of weeks from now. it would really help our audience. >> okay. >> all right, i appreciate it. thanks for having me. >> always a plus. always a plus, and by the way, zeke's got a new book. it's called which country has the world's best health care? it's a question, he answers it for you in the book, dr. zeke emmanual all on sale. the crisis within the crisis. is being felt all across this country now. parents, what do we do if our kids don't go back to school? what are the consequences? how do we deal with it if they do go back to school? it's weighing heavily on our
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minds. we have a mom of two kids in elementary school in georgia tonight, one of the key states. she is pushing for at least a pa partial reopening. she heard what zeke said. she knows what is happening in our county. her case though, about her situation, next. t-mobile and sprint have merged. and t-mobile doesn't just have a bigger network, but a better one than ever before, with scam protection built into its core. introducing, scamshield, free from t-mobile. get fewer scam calls. period. with t-mobile's supercharged network, you can say goodbye to annoying scam calls, and feel free to answer your phone again. hello and its mission is to give you truly transformative sleep.ress. so, no more tossing and turning... ...or trouble falling asleep... because only tempur-pedic uses proprietary tempur® material...
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and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. georgia is in rough shape. they hit a new record for cases of coronavirus cases, close to
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5,000 today. the state now has more than 160,000 victims in all. more than 3,000 deaths. yet, families in one of georgia's hardest hit counties are fighting their school district's decision not to offer in-person classes starting next month. take a look. >> okay, that's our future, they're saying. you can see a group of students storming the district offices. plenty of parents are proposting as well. gwennette county, one of the parnlts involved is kelly williard. she is one of the parents, thank you for joining. >> thank you, chris. >> now, i want to make clear to people what this isn't about. and we will talk what it is
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about. you are not a rabid trump horse is just fighting the president to a decision to keep schools closed. correct. >> yes, this actually has nothing to do with being a republican, a democrat or an independent. this is an issue about getting our children back in schools safely. and what we can do about that and the choices we have as parents out there right now. >> or the lack of choices that you have as parents. >> very well said. >> i want people to have an open mind about how hard this is going to be for families. i feel you on this. personally, i feel it. i don't want people to dismiss you out of hand. i didn't want people to say, she's just a trump follower. against masks. not true. so your argument is, we need options because if the kids aren't in school, it's bad for the kids but it's also
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unmanageable for people if they are able to get back to work. unless your working from home, you're not going to be at home. if you're kids aren't in high school, you're not going to have the money to have somebody watching them, and you don't like it for them and you don't like it for you. is that correct? that is exactly correct. i will just state that this again has nothing to do with being a trump supporter. i'm actually an independent myself. we have parents of -- represents the democratic party, republican party. at the end of the day, we are just just parents and we have a common goal of getting our kids back in school and getting our kids back in safely. we had public education in the country for hundreds of years, and now, all of the the sudden, two weeks before school, you know, the rug's getting pulled out from underneath us all, and we're scrambling. the parents are scrambling how to get our kids back in school,
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how to manage the fact that if we don't have, you know, face to face learning, what are we going to do? are we going to -- you know, child care, we get a teenager to come to our house, do we get pods, there is a lot of talk right now of parents to get the micropods in place. some points that are fortunate enough can get them in school. and the county really, i have to say, i don't envy them at all. i think they probably have one of the hardest decisions right now to make to get kids back in school safely, and how they're going to do it, and as well, they did such a great job offer parents a vote back in june. >> right. >> and again in july. which the majority wanted their
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kids back in person, and additional parents wanted the digital option. when they made that choice back in july, they also said that kids will have to go back with masks. so we were fully on board with the masks and creating the safe environment for kids. >> here's the problem. here is why it's such a dilemma. there is no good answer. it's not petty politics, it's not about money. your state is in trouble. your county is in trouble. so the superintendent lays out what the problem is. they want to be in school also. the president is threatening to pull subsidies from schools. we all understand that it's a model. that is what school is. it needs to be done in time that students and staff will be safe, we did not feel that is the case. here's the problem.
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you know we need to take on fights on the show. you don't have a great case against them, because, he's got a lot of bad data staring at him in the face. superintendent, cases on the rise. your governor has been bass ack wards, and schools haven't been given a plan. there is a risk you send your kids in there, they're going to get sick or a kid is going to make a teacher sick and then what? how do you deal with that? >> well that is one of the things we're concerned about. we don't want anyone to think that's not something we're not concerned about. we're very concerned about kids getting covid and also teachers getting covid. but we feel like gwennette county spent money on safety measures to get kids in a safe environment.
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they spend millions of dollars on face mask and hand sanitizer, disposal safety wivepes. they also took measures to do training for the janitors of the school. we so feel they really took off the necessary measures. but -- >> they say the money wasn't enough. the cases are counting -- another big thing they can't control, turn around on testing time. so another big x factor. it would be an x factor for you or me. god forbid we hear that there is a case, whatever it is going forward. now we have to get tested. so you go and i have to get my cha-cha tested, whatever use kids are, four days, seven day, nine days, waiting on results? and in that time, what do we do with them? and to hear about another kid, what are we doing? that is the problem here.
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the million dollars doesn't get you around that problem. >> and yeah, and we don't have any leadership going on in the country how to get the kids back in school. yet, you look at it and disney land is open. dolly wood is open. the grocery stores are open. the airlines are open. corporate america, gas stations, what have you, and we as parents feel we got left in the dust, and you figure it out. my kids were watching the titanic the other way and the scene at the end of the movie, where there are just a few lifeboats and they are going down with the ship that is how we feel as parents. we just feel like we got left in the dust, this will be a huge socioeconomic gap for parents, because a majority of parents can't afford to have private tutors or, you know, schools, we don't afford that.
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so what is anyone going? you know, the government bailed out -- they did trillions of dollars with a bail out on wall street and they are doing nothing for parents. i appreciate the student opport be on the show to be a voice for these points. the other thing, i want to make clear, the parnlts that want their kids to have in-person learning, we are not in any way -- the parents that want the digital option. we are supportive 100% of the teachers. we lue our teachers. there are teachers who want to go back, and there are teach worse don't. and we want to have options for those teachers, and whether or
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not we repurpose them. and whether there are private tutors for families, and whether they have them administratively in the system. and it's every man for himself. and there's no, nothing on a national level that is consistent, and i -- >> there's nothing for schools. they just keep saying open. you know, which only frustrates parents like you. and you want them open too. the question is how, and how do we keep them open? and in truth, education is a state issue. it would be nice to have federal intervention. the president is picking his spots to send people around the kump. kemp has to answer to you for this. your governor has to answer to you for this. where are your ideas? is he offering off public spaces, churches, ideas, what are his ideas? they owe you that. >> they do. >> and i want people to understand what you're and and what you're not able.
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i don't want this think this is it a idealology things. good luck luck to your family and good luck going forward. >> like wise. thank you so much, chris. we appreciate it. >> all right, be well. >> you too. the president tried to get payback on his former lawyer, did you hear about this? michael cohen. a controversial figure. this isn't about whether you like him or not. it's about the law, and cohen had writes, everybody in the country does, what he don't do, with the government wlanted to to do, trump, he went back to jail when he wasn't supposed to. a judge said that, not me, a strong of cases today that some of the most egregious trump power play, so many, fight the abuse of power. fight the abuse of power. i will do better, next.
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part of this job is to fight back against power for you. specifically abuses of power. and hear's what we see. trump's poll numbers are horrible. that's the only thing that's change. the pandemic has been bad and it has been getting worse for weeks. so the reason he talked about the obvious with masks, that you have been told for months. and this pandemic may get worse, which you have been told for weeks. the only reason he said it this week are those numbers. why? for him it's not about getting things better for you. it's about getting things better for him. he says he is all about protection of you. i said you need protection from him. he is leveraging power for
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himself. here's the proof. time and again this week alone, he has been caught with leveraging the power of his office for him. not unwlik he was impeached for. this came down in court, example one. michael cohen. controversial. i'm not arguing to like michael cohen. he is out of prison. he was released to home confinement and he refused to sign a document. what did the document say? that he could not work on a tell-all book. he didn't understand that. why did he have to give up his first amendment right? what did the doj did? they tossed him back in lockup. a federal judge said that is retaliation and it violates his first amendment right.
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it is unlike anything the judge had seen in 2 2 1 years as judge. it's not about cohen. it's about the law, and the department of homeland security came clean about false claims made to defend another power play by the president. dhs admitted in a court filing it was not straight in defending why the agency prevented morkers to get through airport security faster w options like global entry. remember this? the trump administration blocked new york. okay, over a state law meant to protect immigrants. and they had the power to do it. and just because they had the right didn't make the way they used it right. it was wrong. and abusive and the court said so. and just last night, a federal judge put restrictions on the president's forces in portland. it took a retraining order to
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tell federal officers that journalists and local observers have a right to do their job. and can you believe they have though job? i'm telling you the president is not done. he just sent forces to seattle. nobody asked. what is the federal law they are there for. and noin portland, they had to defend the city against tear gas, really? that is why? the graffiti? the mayor doesn't want him there. what is the proof and concern, next. wabba wabba! all new, plant powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need, with the fruit flavors they love, and 1 gram of sugar. find new creative roots in the kids' juice aisle.
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federal forces are now on the ground in seattle. the president talks about going full force in american cities. but for now, we're told these agents are only on standby. either way, they were not asked to come. that is how it's supposed to work.
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the state leaders are supposed to ask for federal help. that includes the mayor of steelt who joins us now on prime time. good to see you again. >> good to see you again, chris. >> so much for the summer of love. i want to make sure the reporting is right. is it true that you spoke to the act gt dhs serkt wolf and he said i will tell you before we do anything with troops, and then you find out that troops had been sent? >> chris, i spoke -- that is exactly right. i spoke to him yesterday. i wanted to make clear that the city of seattle did not need federal help at this time. we had been threatened by the president and others they would send agents here over our objections. he assured me he did not have any intent to send agents to seattle, and he could tell
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others if it changed. and we learned agents had been sent here on stand by. >> do you think he just lied to you? >> i think it's a combination of things. i think number one, it was semantics and number two, i have learned that he believes he did not have all the information when he spoke to me. whatever it is, we have seen that we have to make our judgments about what's going to happen based on what the president threatens. he makes good on his threats. >> he is a cover guy. >> well, you know, it all depends. one thing that is significant is inconsistency. when you went back to wolf and you said, well, now thaw owe me because you lied to me about the staff surge, the rules of engagement, what are you told right now? about what the federal agents will come and not do?
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>> well are told right now, the federal agents are just on stand by. it's because the federal protection service that normally provides protection, has been called to portland and only called out for a specific threat. but we have to assume that what is happening in portland could happen here. >> which is what? >> what is you have seen an interduction of a number of federal agents who night after night after night have escalated violence and have had a running fight on portland that has created a public safety risk and has made the city -- it's incapable of them to move on and get to the healing they need to make the important changes that people are demanding in the streets. and in seattle, we want to make sure that that doesn't happen here. we have done a couple things. we will demand the insurances and we will have another policy. we are ready to go in federal court and have a judge order
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them to have the same restrictions that a federal judge ordered in portland. we want to make sure what is happening in portland doesn't happen here. that we don't escalate the violence. >> the president says cities like seattle, lawless, and the area that is out of control. she can't control it. the chief can't. the mayor can't. and the governor f they just ask for this help, i could clear it up for them. what is your response? >> i trust my chief of police to know more about what we need for public safety in seattle than i trust don't trump. she is a national leader. we talk regularly and the president also said he is targeting cities led by democratic mayors. and i think that is absolutely true. he is leveraging his power just as you said before. for his own purposes. cities do need his help and we needed his help. we needed his help for covid.
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we needed him to leverage the power of the federal government to get him testing to fight this disease. instead, we are going the wrong way in america. instead of giving the help he needs, he wants to send in federal sources and agents to -- america doesn't need it. this is one of the most dangerous -- i was a federal prosecutor. i know how important it is to work with local law enforcement. as u.s. attorney, i know that is an important relationship. i have never seen anything like this in my career, federal agents are sent in, not only with the cop ration of law enforcement but over their objection. it's unprecedented and the wrong way to go, and the fabric of america is shredded before our eyes. >> we have to see if it's enough
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to fight it bark. mayor durkan, good luck going forward. >> all right, time to take a breath and remember there are good people doing good things. superheroes in fact. guess who we have tonight? captain america, actor chris evans wading in the word of politics, but with a small "p," "p" for people. he is running from a system that doesn't give us enough information. he wants to give you facts and allow you access to power to make judgments for yourself and understand things. damn, he is hand some. next.
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i love everything about this. i'm going to introduce to you an idea i wish i thought of. it's exactly what we need right now, and someone who you know very, very well. you know chris evans. you know him as captain america and a great actor in a career
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that is getting stronger and stronger. but i want to remind you what he did recently, that i think is phenomenal. remember 6-year-old bridger walker, saved his 4-year-old sister from a dog attack this month? and how we love what he was about? because of what he did, because of it was natural in him and it reminds us what we can do, he under went surgery, 90 stitches to his face, and his aunt shared a story, and she tagged avenger stars and said he's a big man. now that is a beautiful thing. but for iron man, the hulk, spider-man, to all reach out, to me that is what we are at our best. captain america sent this to this kid, and he looked at it like he was living a dream. watch this. >> you're a hero. what you did was so brave so
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selfless. your sister is so lucky to have you adds a big brother. i'm going to track down your address and send you an authentic captain america shield. pal, you deserve it. keep being the man you are. we need people like you. >> we he never forget that. and for all the right reasons. now, evans, i am not objective on. when i was sick, he took the time to send me a video, it helped my spirits. you didn't have to do it, and i appreciate him for it. and i appreciate something he did for you. he is a founder of a new nonpartisan political rememb nonpartisan political website. you go online, a starting point, you will see it. thank you for what you are doing. >> absolutely. it's an honor.
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i'm a big fan. >> no, it meant a lot to mel. i was very law, and what you did warmed my heart. what a beautiful use of your influence. >> i mean that's an honor to be able to shine a light on that little guy. what a hero. >> and it's us influence, embracing it. that's the recipe for stronger fabric. so one of the things we deal with all the time that's a problem is how are people supposed to know what the hell is being thrown at them? the terms and the numbers and the phrases and the this. and the sound bites. so, you see this. you want to research something, yourself, one day. and you're like there's too much information. how am i supposed to get through all this? you come up with a starting point. it was launched on july 14th. how was this the answer to what you encountered? >> well, i don't know if it's the answer. but it can certainly help. you know, i think the goal was to try and demystify some of the
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political landscape. you know, i think a lot of people are curious about politics. but -- but are unsure where the way in is. i think it's a daunting environment and some people just turn off. and i think we need participation. the only way a functioning democracy is operate is with engagement. >> so how does this work? how do i use it? >> well, there's three sections to it. the first section is called starting points, common questions with succinct answers, from a spectrum of opinions. then, there's daily points which is just 60-second videos on anything a politician wants to discuss. and then, third, is counterpoints, which is kind of a debate between two officials the way they choose. >> you ask them the questions and were hoping they would answer. early on, you have all these funny anecdotes about how they thought it was a spoof.
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because what is chris evans doing asking me questions? how do you get people to buy in? but you started to get a population and what's it like in terms of bipartisanship? >> i think we have at least 170 elected officials. and our bipartisanship is pretty strong. that was the challenge, getting people who didn't know me, didn't know the mechanism, to trust us. so that was certainly an uphill battle but every time we went to d.c., every time we left an interview, we said, please, tell everybody. and surely, our list of contributors just grew and grew. >> now, are you going to keep doing the interviews? or what is your hope for the platform? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, that's one of our main goals, being a self-funded organization, is that we want to be involved in the process. we want to make sure one of our
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main tenents is to be objective. so, to stay true to this objectivity, to this transparency, i think we kind of have to stay involved and guide the ship. >> i like there's no likes, no dislikes, no comments. that makes it very different already. >> yeah. >> so barriers to entry. first one is, you know, a starting point as an acronym, asp, you know, the word, belies an egyptian viper like a cobra. and certainly, politics can be like that. and people are like i don't trust any of these people. they're just going to lie. what do you say to the people who say i can't believe? i can't trust? >> well, you may not be able to believe or trust but that doesn't change the fact that they're in office. they're voting on policy that affects your life. so, to let distrust be the thing that creates disinterest, will hurt you in the long run. so i'm not going to say that government is everything that you want it to be, all the time. but it's your civic duty to be engaged. and without that participation, you know, the analogy i use is if you have a remote control.
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and you only put one battery in. it doesn't work a little bit. it doesn't work at all. you know, so -- so a functioning democracy needs participation in order for an effective government to run. >> how do you check what the politicians put out there in the videos? >> sure. well, the first section starting point is the only one we actually do fact checking on. second session, daily points, is incumbent upon them to be honest. the starting points is what we consider a political dictionary, ostensibly. and we have a company called accountable, they do our fact checking for us. >> the other one will be, personally, because it's you. they'll say -- and forget the -- the whole actor thing doesn't work for me. you're an actor. stick to acting. you're as competent as you make yourself. you make the case. people will weigh it like anything else. as you put in one of your answers to this question, can there be issues downstream? yeah, you got to sell movies you
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got to tell tickets. but what do you want them to know? >> well, my goal in there is objectivity. it's almost an effort to try to return politics to people. i think people are bloodhounds, now, for being lied to, by omission. being only shown one set of facts. and i think if you trust people and say, listen, this is all the information. here is a spectrum of opinion. where do you lie? i think we bang towards goodness. and i think right now, we're just living in a time of really unprecedented conjecture. you know, the internet is responsible for this proliferation of disinformation. so anything to combat that, by getting information directly from the source in a fair, balanced way, where everyone gets their own bite at the apple can only be a good thing, in my opinion. >> your problem's going to be too handsome. i see you are growing the beard. you can't do my job, looking like you.
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listen. you're a beautiful guy. you did a very nice thing for me. you did a much more important thing for that kid. and what you put together with the starting point is the exact kind of tool, of populism, letting people figure out things for themselves, from the people in power. it is the perfect recipe. i'm glad you did it. i'm glad you are using your influence to promote it. you always have a platform here to do exactly that. >> thank, buddy. >> thank you, very much. chris evans. the new site is online at a starting ..com. be good, brother. we'll be right back. >> take care, pal. re where we've got the best deals on refrigerators, microwaves, gas ranges and grills. and if you're looking for... she always wanted her smile to shine. now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse to give her the healthy, sparkly smile she always wanted. (crowd cheering) therabreath, it's a better mouthwash. at walmart, target and other fine stores.
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