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followed. before many of us had ever heard of reforming, abolishing or defunding the police. and before the president and his cronies used racism to describe the coronavirus, which led to a rise in hate crimes against aids yan-americans. yep. you don't have to look to history to see racism. just watch the news. but the question is, are we finally ready to do the work it takes to really make america the just, equity and great place it's always claimed to be? ah, the first episode of "united shades of america." such an innocent time. i know many of you remember it, because i heard about it all the time. you're the kkk guy. why would you film with the kkk? america doesn't even have that type of racism anymore. hmm. you're right. it's gotten way worse.

and that was all before covid-19 and before four cops in minneapolis killed george floyd. rather than just treat him like a human. before protests, a police station burning to the ground. >> there's an african-american man threatening my life. >> before too many karens, before flattening the curve. and through it all -- a president incapable of handling any of it at all. oh, look, baby's first bible! america is finally ready to get real about white supremacy. so, let's start super easy and basic. these are white supremacists. 44 white presidents out of 45 in a land originally 100% native american is white supremacy. white supremacy is a big complicated web of systems and institutions set up to keep power and privilege with one

race. guess which one? ♪ ♪ ♪ pittsburgh is a paradox. it's known as steel town, usa, but the factories that gave it that name are mostly gone. it's a progressive liberal at city, but in the heart of deep red western p.a. it's an industry still, but also a booming intellectual and technology hub. it is america's most livable city, one of the safest, most affordable cities, and the worst city in america for black

people. wait, what? what in the name of pittsburgh's mr. rogers is going on? the paradox of a seven times higher infant mortality rate for black babies over white babies, or a safe, livable city versus the deadliest attack on jewish people in our nation's history at the tree of life synagogue means that in pittsburgh, like in america, the history and structure of white supremacy has us living two totally separate realities. you know, whistexisting while b in pittsburgh is like starving to death while in the supermarket aisle. i didn't come up with that. a friends of mine who is a great writer and a pittsburgh native did. >> what section of town is this? >> we're on the south sides. >> if you ever hear about the pittsburgh steelers getting arrested, it happened here. it always happens here. >> that's funny. >> damon young is a writer and a

cofounder of one of my favorite websites -- very smart brothers. he was born and raised here. and most importantly, after he made it, he stayed here. >> i feel like pittsburgh is the market cause of america. in a sense that i think that we believe our own hype. just as america kind of believes its own hype, believes its lofty missions that were written by slave owners. and that's a reason why white people in pittsburgh seem to be thriving and black people are not. we didn't get this way just because of unconnected decisions. >> that's why i think when white people hear the phrase white supremacy, they are only thinking about the klan. you know, segregation now, segregation forever. >> yeah. >> but they're not thinking about the structures that exist in this country that keep black folks at the bottom. >> and it's not even about hate. >> yes. >> weirdly, it's not about hate. >> yeah.

you can have a black best friends and your favorite show, it would be "power" and have a lebron james poster on your wall, you can do all of that and still have investments in white supremacy. >> yeah. >> many people think white supremacy is just like neo-nazis and kkk members. but those guys, they're just the most visible tip of the iceberg, along with stuff like genocide, hate crimes, lynching, hate groups, you know, the stuff good folks agree is bad. beneath that cold dark water is actually most of the structure that keeps white supremacy rolling along. like police brutality. some states not even having laws against hate crimes. the legacy of jim crow laws. jeremy gerrymandering, and much, much more. and then as we move deeper down the iceberg, we get to the harder stuff to see. hearing racist jokes and not challenging them. being black in america. all lives matter. all the way down to, i never even owned slaves!

the problem is, it's too easy to look at the top and say, what a bunch of assholes. that's white supremacy and i'm not that. and miss everything else. >> slavery ended. then the lakers and the celtics played. >> yeah, yeah, magic johnson and larry bird were friends. and everything's been fine. >> yep. when the disparities exist with wealth, with education, with employment, with incarceration, and these disparities exist everywhere in a country, but in pittsburgh, they're more stark. >> there's two cities happening here. yeah. while black communities in pittsburgh deal with huge racial disparities and quickly gentry if iing neighborhoods, steel neighborhoods like brad dock, just outside of the city, are

grab. ing with a common experience for black people in cities across the entire nation. the compound effects of industrial pollution and long term systemic white supremacy. >> this is the town that steel built. this is where mostly a lot of the black folks lived back in the day but all of this area was occupied. and this is the steel mill. so, they literally just worked right there. >> i can see smoke coming out of there. >> they say it's steam. >> i've heard that before. >> yeah, so, folks used to live on top of it. so, all day, all night, this is the sound that they heard. a lot of people look at this town and they'll ask, why would anybody want to stay here, but we're talking about people who have their social networks here. in fact, that right there is the school that my mom went to when she was in junior high. so, a lot of the folks who have lived here, they've lived here for generations. >> pittsburgh born but raised in braddock. she is the state rep for the

34th district. >> this is the place where so many of our family members spent all their days. the town used to run by the schedule at u.s. steel. so, the bell would ring. once shift would come out, the next shift would go in and that's how the town ran. and that's how everybody knew what time of day it was. >> wow. so, the town is run by the company. >> oh, definitely. this is u.s. steel's town. >> by the 1960s and '70s, suburbanization moved braddock white population up the hill and out of the valley, while black folks remained, along with discriminatory home lending, all legal until 1968. but in the more than 50 years since, it is clear that changing the law has not changed the reality. >> the jobless rate is over 15% in pittsburgh. and when the united states steel industry collapsed in the '80s, br braddock, the town that had lived and died for steel, was left with the problems and little else, except consistently

some of the worst air quality in the u.s. of a. >> when we look at wages, when we look at environmental issues, when we look at education, when we look at the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, we see those as issues in and of themselves. in reality, they're all part of the cycle of racism. a perfect example. take my town. black folks, most of them live there because at some point they were red lined. government policies, predatory lending. those things all colluded to ensure black folks couldn't get into communities where there were more opportunities. so, you're in these communities, ghettos. our supreme court says education can be funded by the local level. you live in this town, you get one educational experience. you live in that suburb, you get a vastly different one. you live in this community, you're more likely to live by an environmental hazard. we have u.s. steel in this community.

you're more likely to live in a food desert. we have, in the 15104 zip code, we have no grocery stores. we had a hospital that was notoriously closed down. and you are less likely to have transportation in and out of your community. so, you are literally and physically trapped in your communities. so, that means you have bought your kid a one-way ticket right back into that circle. that's cyclical racism. where do you even start? where do you even begin to dismantle that? >> you just broke it all the way down, didn't you? that's good. feel like i want to do this. so, i mean, it seems to me like if you're in a town that has money and had a good school district, you look at towns like this and you say, they created that problem. white supremacy convinces people systemic problems are problems those people created. >> even if they give a leg up to black folks, we're doing something for people that we dehumanized. you know, those are welfare queens. those are people who are just

leeching off of the system, you know? that's how we framed it in this country. to the desire, a universal education system is to somehow leech off of the system. i mean, just last year, one of their facilities caught fire. the day before christmas. we didn't find out until two, three days later. even me, the state rep in this area, you know, every other government official, we found out on the news when it was like, hey, there was a big fire. if you live in any of these communities, we suggest you don't go outside. from january to may. we're supposed to be grateful for the jobs. >> yeah. >> and why can't we be grateful for the jobs and also be healthy? >> in the wake of covid-19, some people are wondering why black folks were affected at a higher rate? >> why is it three or four times more so as opposed to other people. it didn't make sense. >> ah. black to the iceberg. black communities generally have worse air quality which

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♪ while summer fights the good fight for braddock, 30 miles northwest, the blue collar towns along the ohio river are mostly white and conservative. but they all deal with an ennee's common across middle america. post-industrial job loss and poverty. one might think that the shared struggle would bring people closer, but nope, because our fears and frustrations have been used to divide us and we all know that can end in violence. on october 27th, 2018, an at-right white supremacist from just south of the city killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. his online manifesto was packed

with language blaming jewish people and immigrants for the problems facing the white working class. this is just part of the rising tide of racist hostility in america. but you don't have to take my word on that. i brought an expert. are you nervous? >> yeah! a little. >> there's no way. >> i'm scared of what you might get me to say. >> cnn's kamau bell. if you're watching cnn and a reporter is somewhere in america talking about racism, hate or violence, it's probably sara sidner. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here, now! >> you are in the shit. you are, like, running after hate, you know? >> yeah. you have to recognize that hatred often comes from a place of fear and pain. the fear is someone else is taking over, and i'm going to be a minority. one of the big themes of this white supremacist is the

browning of america. i'm a white supremacist's worst nightmare. not because i attack them but because of who i am. my mother is caucasian and my father is black. >> there you go. >> i am mixed race. i am changing america. >> yeah. here we are, sitting in this town. you know, it's like a lot of towns in this area, used to be an industrial town. used to be, you know, good union jobs. >> you retired and you had a pension. >> yes. and then the industrialation happens, jobs go overseas, people start to get frustrated. >> scapegoating starts. >> yes. >> who do you blame? you don't want to blame yourself, right? you don't want to blame your family or your community, so, you look at who could be the scapegoat. the immigrants. even if there isn't an immigrant to be seen in your community, they're to blame for taking my

livelihood and therefore, taking my life. it gets people in this place, where hatred that is okay, because i'm just protecting myself and my family. but the other thing is that it can feel good. >> hatred can feel good. yeah. >> am i wrong? >> no, you're not wrong. >> it's powerful. young boys get on the internet and in their feeds will have memes that seem real funny, but really, they're teaching. >> oh. >> i've had a conversation with a mother who said, my 13-year-old boy had a hitler meme that he thought was funny that came into his -- >> right? >> into his feed, he didn't go searching for it. but if you click on it, you get more, right? you get more. you get more. and so, you're filling young people up with things that they're normalizing. normalizing anti-semitism,

normalizing racism. >> they're being fed more hate per found than any generation's ever been fed. >> in certain people, it grows into hate and then violence. >> on march 15th, 2019, that hate turned violent in another safe, liveable city, when a 29-year-old white supremacist livestreamed the murder of 51 muslim worshippers in christchurch, new zealand. >> those were gunfires. >> that was amazing to watch. >> new zealand sucks, britain rules! >> 50 is a great score, brenton. >> god bless brenton with the light to his path right now, lord jesus. >> i love that and fortnite,

too. >> i like the name. >> it's cool. rough. >> i subscribed to brenton terrance. you are innocent and will get out in no time. >> wow. >> yeah. yeah, it's a lot. >> so somebody posted -- you have no idea where it came from, or -- >> no. >> who those kids are? >> nothing. >> and they're all excited about the perpetrator in new zealand? >> terror attack. the first little girl was clearly watching something where you were hearing gunshots. >> yeah. yeah. wow. and those are kids. >> those are kids. >> pete simey, m.ed i ph.d, is n professor at chapman university. >> there are people well educated, involved in these

groups from middle class backgrounds, we have this broader historical ingrained, almost in our psyche in white supremacy that's just floating around out there and everyone is susceptible in some form or another. >> and a lot of this has been supercharged by social media and the internet. >> absolutely. that's opened up so many doors. white supremacists have been getting activated online even during the 1980s with electronic bulletin boards to create propaganda, distribute propaganda. >> as access to the web grew, it moved them from isolated clusters to globally interconnected organizations with an instant pipeline to the disenfranchised, the disillusioned and the teenager. >> up in this crib! >> welcome to -- >> everybody in the house, put your hands up. >> meet youtube's biggest star, felix shell burn and his name,

pewdiepip. >> those cute videos, funny pranks and every now and again some hate speech comes through. >> right. paid people to hold signs up on videos that say death to all jews. >> i feel partially responsible but i didn't think they were actually do it. >> meanwhile, daily storm thanked him, saying, it normalizes naziism. >> how did you get the name? >> the new youtube original series. >> i want to thank youtube for  allowing the emperor for being here. >> and that kind of normalization of hate doesn't just happen on youtube. it happens in the halls of government, where the stakes are much higher. >> and we saw that in the 2016 election, obviously, with donald trump. and, you know, in the case of many of his advisers, like stephen miller. >> the word racist gets thrown around a lot. by me.

but miller, who writes trump's immigration policy, is, in my humble opinion, the real deal. which, of course, he denies. because of course. but he's got a well documented history of pushing ant anti-immigrant, anti-minority agent days. miller was the author of the child separation order policy and the travel ban on mostly muslim-majority countries. miller has also long coveted a full immigration ban, quote, like coolidge did, citing the 1924 immigration act which banned european yjews, which miller is, in favor of nordic races and was based on the same racist book that hitler called his bible. and remember this? >> why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? the president talked about then how they needed more people coming from norway. >> that's classic eugenics, classic miller, classic racism.

again, in my humble opinion. >> you don't have to be wearing a klan robe or have a swastika on your forehead to be a white supremacist. we have to start being more honest about what white supremacy looks like. >> five teenagers pressured into getting false confessions. >> of course i hate these people. maybe hate is what we need to get something done. >> we provided additional information today about the site of my birth. >> the progressive democratic congresswoman should go back to the crime infested places from which they claim. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. knock the crap out of him, seriously. when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, i said, please don't be too nice. >> nothing happens in a vacuum. when that language is being used by our leaders, it spreads.

so, when you see how far it can go, how hatred can grow and then turn into not just words, but then actions, and then become deadly? i sat down with a family in el paso, misty and paul's son-in-law and their daughter were two of 22 people killed by a suspected terrorist at an el paso walmart. the mother was holding her child. the child survived, just a baby. you can't sit there and talk to families without having that sit on you. forever. >> yeah. >> right? thinking about them. um -- >> i mean, i -- i mean -- yeah, sorry. >> thinking about that family and what they will have to tell this child, who has no idea,

right, why his mother and father are not there. because somebody hated immigrants. it is -- how do you explain that, right? i mean, how do you -- how do you even begin to explain that? that will forever bother me. >> yeah. >> i'm sorry, you guys. >> no, no. that's all right. it's all right. >> i was really not expecting this. see, this was what i was afraid of. >> i didn't even do anything! >> i am a reporter. do you hear me? >> yes. welcome to my house. i cry on this show all the time. it's -- it's what -- it's what we do to move through these moments, so -- >> the families that i talk to, they give me life. because i see that they're able to function, they're able to move forward in their lives. they have no choice. they're still here.

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nasal tip rotation, those are the ones considered the most beautiful. >> i have a tv show and even i know that still overall, black folks and people of color don't always get a fair shot on television. don't believe me? imagine being this reporter. >> if you think you see the man in this sketch, they want to you call the police. that number, 816 -- >> a good illustration. thank you, larry. >> in 2020, the pittsburgh-based heinz endowment released a study that showed how pittsburgh broadcast news that depicted african-americans as athletes or criminals 72% of the time. damn. how do you find your own voice when it feels like your city bases your entire tackle on how you break tackles or how you break laws. one hood media teaches young people in pittsburgh how to work in media and take charge of their own narratives. so, when my friend, rapper, and

founder of one hood media asked me to talk to the students, i did. >> we're gone! we're country! for kentucky! >> this is a symbol of god's love. ho o holy shit. >> that's the final scene from the episode. >> were those people real klansmen? >> oh, yeah. that's not "the chappelle show." yeah. this is not a sketch. >> i knew the klan existed. but hearing them really say those things -- i had to laugh, because i'm like, wow, like, they really believe this. >> they've got god and kentucky on the same level. >> yeah. god and kentucky. what? >> i feel like klan imagery is a little bit maybe older. i feel like maybe our generation

relates it to a little bit more. did your generation have that same fear? >> i'm not scared if i go down south i'm going to get lynched anymore. i'm more scared when i go outside the house. like, am i going to get shot by a police officer? >> what nicholas just said right there is the whole show. it's easy to focus on the kkk, but you can avoid the kkk. but the police? you're going to eventually have to deal with the police. a 2018 rutgers university study showed that negative media portrayals, which foster fear of black men, were a significant factor in a five times higher rate of unarmed black men being shot by police than unarmed white men. that fear has justified not only accessive force, but also claims of self-defense. >> i think a lot of it has to do with, when you see us on main stream media, we're dehumanized. and so, when antoine gets killed, it's like, oh, that's a young black dude. >> you know how it goes. a black 17-year-old named

antoine rose is shot and killed by a police officer, michael s rosfeld. antoine's community focused on the fact that he volunteered, was an honor roll student and had never been in trouble with the law. while many outside his community focused on a drive-by shooting he was allegedly involved in. his community finds it hard to focus on that, since the officer shot antoine in the back as he was running away. completely unarmed. >> when the trial happened, it was kind of this idea that there was going to be violence. >> yeah. >> so, they had the courthouse surrounded by police. they shut the streets down around the courthouse. >> the police presence exponentially grew every day. it got thicker and thicker. to a point, you would think that, like, the president was here. it was wild down there, brother. it was madness. and then just previously, before that, the nra march, an open

carry march. like, come on, show your guns off. >> a bunch of well-armed and mostly white folks marching onto the steps of a government building. this was just 2 1/2 months after the tree of life massacre. it was to protest proposed gun regulations that would hope to avoid another massacre. why would we want to do that? when white folks show up at rallies, no matter how violent or ridiculous they are, they're given the benefit of the doubt. look at these two rallies. in one case, the cops shut down the street for the rally. in the other case, they shut down the street to stop the rally. who are you afraid of? >> i just imagine us saying, we're going to ride with our guns. and just like, how far would that bus get, like, you know what i mean? >> it wouldn't get off your block. >> right, before a bomb hits it. to me, this is why white supremacy really functions. we gave them no reason to believe -- >> none. >> that it would be any type of

violence. because we protested all year and every single protest was nonviolent. the verdict came on friday night. that following monday, young organizers from the universities and the high schools organized the largest protest that pittsburgh's ever seen. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> justice. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> now. >> you had 3,000 to 5,000 young people really take to the streets. that is what gave me hope. seeing how they organized and the manner in which they showed up. that's never the narrative. >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> and we are seeing that narrative play out again. the protests following the killing of george floyd are some of the most powerful and engaged acts of civil disobedience and first amendment rights since martin had that dream. and it is easy to see the disparity. remember, george floyd was killed over suspicion of having

a fake 20. but this guy? cops bought him some burger king. you know how some media is. never missing the opportunity to paint black people as scary while completely ignoring the issues at hand. aka, what's up, tucker? >> for the past week, all of us have seen chaos engulf our beloved country. what do the mobs want? >> and while many of you get caught up in, why are people rioting? >> well, your hero martin luther king jr. said, a riot is the language of the unheard. and somebody else said, it is hard to start a riot when everybody has a good job, a full belly, well-educated kids, access to health care and feels safe and protective. try getting somebody to throw a brick through a window then. that was me. i said that shit just now. >> this may be a lot of things, this moment we're living through. but it's definitely not about black lives. remember that when they come for

you and at this rate, they will. >> and that's why all of his advertisers are pillows. >> i see you, tucker. >> all of this shows why black people need to have control over our own narrative. a 2019 american society of news editor editors survey showed the overwhelming majority of roles in newsrooms are held by white people. no surprise. no matter the diversity of the store riffs, they're filtered through a white lens. regardless of perceptions, this influence what's people of color have to live with and in too many cases, die with. >> a lot of people's experience with diversity does come from the media. for myself, too. growing up in a suburb area. that was kind of my outlet to be connected in a diverse environment. but i have learned now that it is important to be the person in

the room, because you can't expect all those other people out there to really speak for you. >> yeah. and so, i think you all know this, but the power is behind the camera. it's fine to be on camera, you can want to be on camera, but you want to work to get those letters behind your name that say executive producer. the director. that's when you can make decisions that actually change culture. ryan cougler is the power. tyler perry is the power, oprah is the power. so, the fear for these young people is not of the klan or nazis, but how the way they are seen will affect them in next time their fate lays in the hands of those in authority, at a job interview, at a bank or with a police officer. the power is in the hands of the decision-makers. and we need to get in those seats in order to make real change.

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♪ are you all ready for the blues? ♪ ♪ when i left my happy home ♪ i had women on my mind ♪ i got a pain in my heart ♪ and a guilty conscience on my mind ♪

>> there's a bar called the silver dollar lounge. which is basically an all white bar. i was the only black guy in the band. and i'd come off the bandstand on break and somebody walked up to me and put their arm around my shoulder, man, i sure like your piano playing. this is the first time i heard a black man play like jerry lee lewis. and i said, well, he got it from the same place i did. from black blues and boogie woogie music. oh, no, i never heard a black man play it like you. it was fascinating that he went to buy me a drink. and he said, you know, this is the first time i ever sat down and had a drink with a black man. i said why? and his buddy elbowed him, said, tell him, tell him. i said, tell me. you know?

he looked back at me and he said, i'm a member of the ku klux klan. and i bust out laughing. >> that was your response? >> yeah. >> we often say someone is one of a kind, but in daryl davis' case, that is absolutely true. daryl has made his living as a musician, but he's made it his life's work to convert kkk members back into humans. when i did my klan episode, many of his fans thought i was stealing his gig. >> take a bag of skittles, separate the colors and then taste the individual flavors, it's even better. >> i don't want his gig. the first episode of this tv show, i went and met with the klan. but you go all the way in -- >> and i incur the wrath of some people for that. >> yes. yes, yes. who do you incur the wrath of? >> mostly black people. >> yeah. >> yeah. they have a visceral reaction when they see a picture, as would i, if i saw a picture of a black guy shaking hands with some guy in a robe and hood.

what the -- >> yeah. >> but me, i would read the back story. >> sometimes, when black folks are angry with me about the work i'm doing, it's not that i agree with them, but i understand where it comes from. i get the situation that they feel like this country is in and black folks are in, but they don't have any time or any room for a black person to sit across from the klan. >> let me ask you a question. if we don't have time to sit down and work out our issues, what is the answer? we have to stop thinking, i'm not my brother's keeper. i am my brother's keeper. >> yeah. i think the challenge is, who do you define as your brother? and i think a lot of black folks would not define a klansman as their brother, you know what i mean? >> this entire country is my community. a black neighborhood, a white neighborhood, a jewish neighborhood, i'm an american. >> yeah. >> i see humanity in everybody. >> by daryl's count, he's been directly or indirectly

responsible for the conversion of 200 white supremacists. and he's brought four of them here to tell their stories. none of these guys are from pittsburgh. these are ex-white supremacists. i hope. i'm really not trying to make a sequel. i want to go around the table, saying your name, how lock you've been out of the organization you were in and also what your title was in the organization. is we can start with you. daryl, how long have you been out of the klan? >> depends who you ask. >> still in. yeah. >> tell me about yourself. >> i'm jeff scoop. i was with the national socialist movement. i was the national director, or the commander for the united states. i was there 27 years. >> jeff scoop was a leader of the national socialist movement. the united states' largest neo-nazi group from 1994 until just recently in 2019. yikes. >> i've been out since about ten months now. >> you're fresh still. >> yeah.

>> i mean, ten months is -- if this is recovery, you'd still be early days, yeah. >> i think it will be recovery for the rest of our lives, actually. >> yeah. >> he was born in germany where he became a neo-nazi. then he came to america and joined the kkk. you know what they say. when in rome. so, what was it specifically? can you think of the moment where you said, this doesn't work for me anymore? >> some of the final straws for me was the violent acts. one after another. the tree of life shooting. the mosque shooting in new see land. poway, california. you make up excuses in your mind. i could say, well, at least it wasn't anybody from nsm that did it. but you're still putting out that negative, hateful stuff. a lot of times, with the organizations, the leaders served as a pressure valve, because we're telling people, don't, don't, don't. literally before an event or a rally, you had to tell people no racial epithets, no cussing, no

calls to violence. >> the same thing is, all the negative energy and what you're putting out, if it wouldn't be that way, you wouldn't have to tell your members, don't, don't, don't, right? that actually proves it. >> good point. >> even though jeff says he's out, not everybody trusts he's out. that includes the southern poverty law center. and really, is that so bad? he was a leading hate monger for 25 years. it feels like it should take more than ten months to go from the hate list to the hug list. even when i hear the white supremacists or the klan or neo-naz neo-nazis, they put out all the hate and say, we don't advocate violence. i feel like you are creating a culture of violence. you know. the there. >> i was not the, oh, i'm a nonviolent racist type. i was like, i am violent, i will attack you and i'm here to kill people. >> did you ever practice violence? >> every day.

i was literally awash in it. >> about nald is a former neo-nazi skinhead. he approaches all the anti-racism work he does with the same vigor he approached being a white supremacist with. which, as far as i'm concerned, is exactly how it should be. >> we would get joe pissed off white kid. find out what's wrong in his life. we would blame it on jews, black people, gay people, everybody else. so, they don't have to look inward and do the very difficult work of straightening out their own life. a lot of these kids would follow me around like puppy dogs. i would blast into their mind that we were at war, that our race is going to be wiped off the planet earth. if we don't fight back for tall we're worth. >> so, you were just out in the streets fighting and attacking people. >> yeah. >> were you ever arrested for it? >> i was arrested many times. i spent a lot of weekends in jail. i never caught a case, because i

was a white kid. >> there you go. i'm glad you said it. >> i say it all the time. if a black or latino kid did half the things i did, they'd still be in prison. >> yeah. >> that's just the way this country works. >> white privilege. >> it is. >> scott has an interesting history, as well. >> of all these men, scott shepherd has been out the long est, but his ties to a white supremacist organization run the deepest. and he comes from some notorious klan history. friends of his family were involved in the murder of emmitt till and the mississippi burning murders. scott's godfather killed medgar evers. >> at 19 years old, i served as grand dragon of the state of tennessee. i spent over 20 years in the movement. when i was this the klan, there was a little bitty voice in the back of my head that always said, do you believe what you're really doing? and i also had a deep secret that they didn't know. i was raised by a black lady.

>> many southern children were raised by black nannies and surrogate moms that knew the kids better than their biological mom. >> yeah. >> did she know you were in the klan? >> oh, yeah. yeah. and i had a lot of guilt from that. i disenfranchised myself from her. and didn't see her. when i did get out of the klan, i knocked on the door, and she opened the door. and not only was her arms open, her heart was, too. i knew i had been on a long, crazy journey, but i was home. of course she's passed away now. she passed away at 103, two days before her birthday. and i thank god that i was able to reunite with her before she

passed away. i'm a mississippi boy, raised by a black lady and then ended up in the klan. >> i made some of my best friends from people in the klan because i have been around people since a young child of different backgrounds. so i wasn't allowed to become radicalized. my parents were in the u.s. foreign service. so, i spent a lot of time overseas, different countries. being around so many different people, if i had -- had not had that experience, would by fooling with these people? probably not. and our society can only become one of two things. it can become that which we sit back and let it become or we can become that which we stand up and make it. and i have chosen the latter. >> now, this show has put some strange stuff in front of my eyes, but whew. dailies and gentlemen, welcome

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we're surrounded by it, we rarely talk about the bottom of the iceberg. we are fascinating with the violence white supremacy creates, but then the victims do most of the talking. the responsibility is on them to bang the drums, do the interviews and clean up the damage. the tree of life massacre was one of those days in america that makes zero sense when you hear about it. but then you quickly remember that days like these have become more common. i won't go over the details. you can do that on your own. i'm here because of what came after. >> the muslim community modeled how to behave at a time of trauma to the jewish community. we were outside the tree of life as the incident unfolded, said

something to the effect of, because this is where we knew we needed to be. but it didn't end there. they started a gofundme page and raised a quarter of a million dollars and said, don't worry about the funerals. we're taking care of that. >> and we nude immediately we wanted to do something and we have similar burr ral practices. we need it had to be immediate. >> we returned the love and kindness six months later, the horrific attack in christchurch. horrific attack in two mosques. tree of life put together gofundme pages and sent like 6 a $50,000 to christchurch. >> and we do that all the time. and i think those things don't get highlighted, because our faiths tell us not to go around and boast about the things that we do. so, the divisions we see theen the communities are often concocted. >> i think it's a really important message that for

people who wonder, can jews and muslims get along? well, why not. >> yeah. these two men have worked together since the tree of life shootings to bring peace and unity to the city. >> well, horror drew us together. but that's not what unites us. the horror was a call to action, and we both recognized that action is required, but to be able to do that, you need to find partners to effect change. >> i feel like, generally in america, nonjewish americans thought anti-semitism was a thing of the past. that was it a historic thing and not something that jewish people dealt with. >> unless you experience it personally, you don't necessarily know that it's anti-semitism. i think i was about 10 years old, came home one day from school and in the driveway were a couple swastikas in chalk. it said jeffrey is a dirty jew. i thought that was the price to

pay to live in the united states as a jew. >> a lot of black people feel like, on some level, as long as we're not experiencing the harshest end of racism, you start to not complain about things that you should complain about, because you're like, at least it's not worse. when's the last time you were here? >> oh, let's see. i think it was about three weeks ago. >> uh-huh. >> sometimes the mood is such that you could be having a great day and something reminds you of the events of october 27th. and there are times i just can't drive by here. i'll detour. the visual reminders sometimes of the facade is just too much. >> yeah. >> to me, the greatest horror would be that they just pass away in anonymity, without saying that, these are beautiful people. they died because they were

being jewish. so, the answer to people dying because they were jewish is to do even more jewish. >> i like that. do even more jewish. ♪ >> there's this wonderful phrase. it's not upon you to finish the task, but you're not about ssol from trying. you may not get to that pot of the rainbow, but that doesn't mean we're letting you off the hook from trying, at least making a steps and more progress. >> no matter our race, creed and religion, if we all do that every day, to work to make the world a little bit better, it gets better. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i can't help thinking of my mom at moments like this, hearing her talk about her friends about racism and

activism. she was playing martin luther king jr. records in the house. at the time, i was like, why do i have to -- can't we put some temptations on? she was building the bridge for me to be talking to you. >> so you honor your mother by doing the same thing to your kids. >> yes. thank you. >> thank you. i knew i'd get emotional. >> thank you, rabbi. >> thank you. i'm glad you came to pittsburgh. >> it's hard to not stand here in pittsburgh in mr. roger's neighborhood and not say, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. >> indeed, today the sun is shining. it's a good day. "united shades of america" brought to you by -- (groans) hmph... (food grunting menacingly)

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the idea being that, like, my mom experienced every part of america's racism except for slavery. janet bell born in 1937 in indianapolis, indiana, where as a textbook, editor, author, activist, he's fighting racism wherever she goes. but mostly, she's happy to know you can't believe she's 83. so, when you had me, what was your idea about raising this black boy? >> i was very conscious about that. and i remember when you were a little guy. you know, 6, 7 years old and there was a drugstore near us that we would shop in. and as soon as we walked in the door, the store detective would follow us. i said, be really careful. and i pointed out the store detective. because we're always being watched. >> i remember that lesson, and it sticks with me today so much so that i'm aware when i'm in stores even now as a fully grown adult, where my hands are.

>> uh-huh. >> and then, as a kid, i was aware of it, because i didn't want to be arrested. now as an adult i'm aware of it because i don't want to be killed. >> yeah. >> the other thing i want to talk about is how i didn't think america would ever elect a black president. >> yeah. >> and then i remember you voted early, because indiana had early voting. >> right. >> and then you flew out to san francisco. >> to watch the returns with you. >> with me. we could have just talked on the phone. >> oh, no. no. i wanted to be there when the results came in. yeah. yeah. it was an historic occasion. living history. shoot. i didn't ever think in my lifetime that i would get to see a black president. >> the thing that's sort of crushing me is, we only have one blurry picture of that night. >> oh, really? >> of you being, like, ah!

>> yeah. i'll never forget that night. yeah. >> and then eight years later. >> every time black people make any progress in this country, there is a backlash. and so, this is the backlash to obama's being president. >> how bad do things feel right now? i mean, like i said, you've experienced every part of racism except for slavery. >> i feel fascism coming on. and so, that really, really frightens me. and if we don't somehow overcome this in the next election, i'm worried. i'm really worried. >> i don't know if i ever told you this, but i remember when trump won and i was like, it's kind of too bad she didn't die

while barack was in office. >> oh, really? >> like -- >> yeah. >> and you know i don't mean that. >> no, i know. i know. i know. i understand. it just felt like -- oh, come on -- >> you know, all of my siblings are deceased, and i've thought, i'm glad they didn't have to live through this. one of the biggest success stories in racism in the united states is how they have kept the racists apart. and that was deliberate, of course, segregation started it. and so, if you keep people apart so that they don't get to know each other, then they can just hate that unknown group. if all the people of color and the disgruntled white people came together, they wouldn't stand a chance, the people in power who want to keep us apart. they wouldn't have a ghost of a chance. so, they have to keep using us as decoys to keep white people

from understanding that they're being ripped off, too. one thing i know for sure is that when people get to know each other, they can't hate each other. >> yeah. look. every single episode of this show, by the end, i'm hoping the screwed up thing that we talked about will be over forever. but it never is. and sometimes, honestly, i feel alone in this. i bet a lot of you do. but one thing we're seeing right now is -- we are not alone. >> many other groups joined in in support. >> crowd that is at least a few thousand here. >> a wave of demonstrations in solidarity with u.s. protesters. >> we got to continue supporting each other. >> at home or in the streets, we are in it together. >> this time caused the whole problem. >> no, you are racist. >> okay, maybe not every one of us. but a lot of us are in there in this fight.

>> you see what is in front of them right now. peaceful protesting. >> really in the shit, putting ourselves on the line. >> we got to move here. >> from huntsville, alabama, to [ bleep ] berlin. trying to do everything we can to make sure that no matter what happens, today, we are going to do whatever we can to fight as hard as we can, love as hard as we can, to make sure that tomorrow, as one of pittsburgh's favorite sons says -- ♪ it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood ♪ ♪ a beautiful day for a neighbor ♪ ♪ would you be mine ♪ could you be mine ♪ it's a neighborly day in the beauty wood ♪ ♪ a neighborly for a beauty ♪ would you be mine ♪ could you be mine ♪ won't you be my neighbor this is jared steven leoni. he's 18. he's in city hall in beaverton, oregon.

and according to him he's high on mushrooms. so he starts a fight with some cops. they all wrestle and jared grabs a cop's gun and shoots it. more cops jump in. it ends up taking seven cops two full minutes to restrain jared and he makes it out alive. this is white privilege. if that idea bothers you then let's just call it benefit of the doubt. those cops gave jared the benefit of the doubt that his life matters. that his life is worth saving. even when he takes one of their guns and shoots it. now, of course, when you're black, we rarely get that benefit of the doubt. cops murdered laquan mcdonald in less than 30 seconds. cops killed that tamir rice in less than two seconds. but jared, he got probation and a fine and just a bump on the forehead. in this episode, we are talking about the difference between two minutes and a few seconds.