more breaking news to report, a preview of what appears to be a combative opening statement from attorney general william barr. he calls allegations about president trump's ties to russia bogus, while defending himself and his independence from the president. he calls the nightly protests in portland, oregon an assault on the government of the united states. he lashes out at the media and city government for blaming the federal government's reaction. last week, portland's mayor was on "360" who said quote, the response significantly escalated in what was already an intense situation. we'll see more of his testimony tomorrow, you can watch all of it starting at 10:00 a.m. right here on cnn. tonight you get chris cuomo and

"cuomo prime time". >> i'll take it. thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time". if you want schools to open, if you want to get some control of the pandemic. the key is the we. you must do what you can. you have to think about you and your family, think about your community. and push your local leaders. i frame it this way because help is not coming from on high. proof? there's no plan for better testing. i hear you all over this country saying you can't get results fast enough. i know. there's no plan for it to get better. there's no plan to help us reopen schools. and there is a reason for this inaction, and it has a name. trump. last week he said it's going to get worse before it gets better. now he says this. >> i really do believe a lot of the governors should be opening up states that they're not

opening, and we'll see what happens with them. >> you know it's going to get better. you're not helping them to reopen. they're asking you for help. and then you say, but they really should be reopening. we are seeing what's happening. death, too much of it, cases, too many. too fast. too many places, in fact, there's a word for it, it comes from the greek, pan meaning everyone demos people. pandemic, as in affecting all people. that's what we're seeing happening. that's what trump knows is happening. the white house can't contain the virus within its own walls. major league baseball can't keep players from catching covid instead of balls. how can this president and his cdc still argue it's safe enough to reopen schools in the fall with no plan?

there is no irony in the fact that trump's national security adviser now has covid. robert o'brien. i wish mr. o'brien well, i hope he is asymptomatic. and if his daughter has covid also as is being reported. i wish her well. and i hope the rest of the family is spared and anyone that he was around, especially the president. o'brien was briefly in the white house last week after returning home from a business trip from europe. several pictures show him neither practicing social distancing nor wearing a mask. think about it. the guy tasked by trump with keeping our country secure isn't taking safety precautions and gets hit with what is arguably one of the biggest threats to our security right now. trump said today, he trusts all americans to do the right things. his own national security

adviser didn't. and many others aren't because of what he was selling them just before last week. the person you must question trusting on this is trump. you must be outraged by the inaction. you must call on him to tell the experts around him, make a plan to increase our testing efficiency. do it smarter. get us results faster. 7 to 10 days doesn't help anybody. have them make a plan to help states open schools. that's your damn job. you're getting killed in the polls in large part because you're not taking charge in a pandemic. again, a virus affecting all people. more proof that all will suffer if we don't do the right things.

now, the newly kicked off baseball season, a source of a flickering moment of joy for all of us could be in jeopardy less than a week after it began. espn says 11 marlin players, two coaches just tested positive, forcing the team to postpone tonight's home opener and tomorrow's game. the phillies/yankees game also postponed, the mlb is conducting additional testing. this is the manager of the washington nationals today and he has a heart condition. >> i have to be honest with you, i'm scared. i really am. my level of concern went from about an 8 to a 12. >> the major league had a plan before putting players on the field. again, there's no guarantee here. there's major money in baseball. all that planning, all that money, these great athletes and yet we're supposed to say, yeah, the president's right, we should just open schools. states should just open them. how are they going to keep them

open? i'll tell you what's great incentive, if you underfunded schools don't open, the president's threat to make you do it is withhold funding that goes to the neediest of you in large part for feeding them. seriously? look at the reality, players get tested all the time, okay? trump's own testing -- these players in baseball, they get tested a lot. trump's own testing czar says testing is not where it needs to be. that's a gross understatement. he has to be careful what he says otherwise he'll lose his job. look at the reality, you only control what you do, for your family, what you can influence in your own community and what you can demand from local leaders. i'm telling you if you're waiting for trump to use the federal government with all its power and influence, don't. because it's not happening.

let's bring in someone who can give us a giant dose of reality, because we need it. dr. william schaffner. i don't know about you, i'm a big baseball fan. i'm an even bigger football fan. i knew this was going to happen, doc. you get people in any proximity, the pandemic is going to manifest itself. are you surprised by any of this? >> chris, i'm surprised that the yankees game was cancelled tonts tonight, but it was canceled for good reason, obviously. covid got into the opposition, and any time people gather together in any kind of circumstance, whether it's a baseball circumstance or religious circumstance, for example, or a neighborhood bbq, statistically speaking, covid is attending that event with someone. stealthily, because they have no symptoms, but the covid virus is spreading. and that's the sort of circumstance we're in today. the virus is still ahead of us

over most of the united states. we're still chasing afterwards. and open up quickly, that's cart before the horse. you know, if we could get control of this virus and then we could open up carefully. and that would assure the restoration of our economic life. this covid virus has got to be dealt with first, because it's not going away. >> the testing piece, i'm sure you're hearing this. more and more, even if people have access to tests, one, some of these tests, especially the faster the turnaround, the less accurate, they're getting tested multiple times, they're positive, negative, positive, negative. the better the testing, the longer the time. people are saying, it's taken me five days, seven days, ten days, more than ten days. are you hearing that as well? and how problem at it is that? >> it's hugely problematic.

and, of course, i'm hearing it, because it's true in many many places across the country. some laboratories are having difficulty with their reagents, so they're having to slow down. other laboratories are so swamped with tests that they can't turn them around in time, and that's why you have this long waiting period before the test comes back, and what use is the test then. yeah, this is a problem across. >> imagine that in a school context. look, i've made no bones about it, i want my kids to go back to school. it's very hard for us having them home. i know for a lot of families it's harder for them. not blessed with the means i have. i got to tell you, just on testing alone, god forbid a kid in a class gets it, you know they're going to, now you have to test that kid, how long does it take to get the result back? you go to a hybrid method, a few days in class, a few days at home. now it screws up your work life, you have to be home at times, and the kid is being exposed in the classroom.

i don't even know how they get to school, what does the bus driver do. the solution has to be about public spaces, i hear nobody talking about it. what's your take on schools? >> my take on schools is, the countries that have done it well, have controlled the spread of the virus first in the community. >> yeah. >> they did that first, then they opened their schools, we're in the midst of all this brouhaha and we're trying to open up our schools, our schools are going to try to do the very best they can, they're trying all sorts of different things. and we all hope for the best, prepare for the worst. and worry a lot because we can't predict, even we medical types can't predict exactly what's going to happen, so we'll be in a responsive mode trying to change course kind of in midstream, adjusting to local events as they occur.

and gee, there's no wonder that parents are anxious on both sides. >> yeah. >> as you say, they would like their children to go to school for lots of good reasons, but at the same time, they're cautious and indeed many times afraid. >> you know what we're going to see? more inequality. communities where you see the virus being better controlled, are going to be more affluent communities. their kids are going to get in school faster, than kids in harder hit areas, they're going to correspond with poverty. they're not going to be in school as much. not be as educated and there's rey an imbalance. i don't understand why the federal government doesn't step up, make testing more of a priority. use all the assets of this economy to get the processing better. use assets to help the schools. we're staying on them, as we get more information, i'll always look to you to help us process it, dr. william schaffner, be well and thank you, doc. >> be well. let's take another beat on what happened in the mlb and the

nfl by the way, but the florida marlins, baseball team, players and coaches on that team coming down with the virus. why? you heard the doctor. you know it by now too, right? i mean if you have people around a lot, in bigger numbers, what's going to happen? my point is, isn't this what school's going to look like? sports journalism legend bob costas with what this means for the mlb, the nfl, this breaking news out of the league. i have the perfect guest in the perfect kitchen next. ♪ ♪ and its mission is to give you truly transformative sleep.ress.

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nfl commissioner roger goodell has announced preseason football games are cancelled, we all know why. coronavirus fears. this comes as major league baseball postpones three games in a so-called regular season that barely started. and you know why, a covid outbreak. we're seeing a ripple effect. is it going to get worse like we saw after the nba suspended its season back in march? let's bring in legend bob costas. welcome back to "prime time." >> hey, chris. >> you have to assume that a league sophisticated as mlb as

nfl is, they have to know this was likely. what is the adjustment by mlb in context of what you would have imagined? >> well, rob manfred said a couple hours ago, that he does not view this as a nightmare scenario, they did expect it would happen some place to some extent. they think they're just doubling down on the extensive protocols they have, we'll get it done. but to put it in some kind of perspective, the marlins had 11 players test positive, plus a couple other staff members. none of them are symptomatic at the moment. and also broader picture, less than 1% of total personnel, players and everyone else involved had tested positive since they got together for workouts prior to the resumption of the season and then this weekend when the season resumed. now you have a team with more than a third of its active roster set aside, those players would have to test negative twice before being cleared to play.

they'll dip into the minor league system. each team, they have 30 extra players in they'll bring them up. cancel the two games they were to have played in miami against the orioles. they happen to be in baltimore wednesday and thursday. intend to play those games. reason the yankees/phillies game is cancelled tonight is the yankees would have to use the same clubhouse the marlins used when they played the phillies. and all the phillies players need to be tested. i've said from the beginning, chris, there's all kinds of needles to thread. even with the best intentions, best expertise, the most humane intentions, it's a tightrope walk. it's a fingers crossed situation. there's the possibility that eventually somewhere along the line there's going to be a match that turns into a tinder box and into a forest fire. always a possibility. i hope not. you know how much i love baseball. every time i crossed paths with your dad, that's all we talked about. i hope they can get it done, but there's a lot of needles to

thread. >> they have access to the kind of testing where they can get answers fast. and they still have to deal with it.>> they expect answers by >> most communities can't. and they knew this was going to happen. so they have different layers of insulation and had to deal with the permutations of outcome. with our schools we have none of that. we can't get fast test results, >> yes. >> we don't know what to do if we do, and it's done with every community as its own league, nightmare scenario. now the nfl says no preseason games, in an open letter because of covid. what does that speak to for you? >> players pushed for that before they come back to camp. the nba is in a bubble, so is the nhl. nhl in edmonton and toronto, and

canada has substantially flattened the curve. neither the nhl or nba has had a single positive test since they entered into the bubble. baseball is not in a bubble. 30 teams in their respective locations, football 32. and the best guess, everything is a guess as you know. there may be another surge in the fall and winter, that's when the nfl season is. you consider the size of the rosters and nature of the sport. contact on every play. if baseball only a few days into their resumption is running into some sort of a problem, it's not a nightmare, but it is a problem, what does common sense tell you about the possibility of getting through a full football season? doesn't make much sense. >> i know a lot of sports insiders are saying, the players never like the preseason games, that's not what this is about. do you believe they're using this as leverage to get something they always wanted? or their fears are legit? >> no, i think their fears are completely legitimate. just as an aside, there's still

talk, intention to play college football. these players are young people who are not compensated and they have no union to protect their interests. if you don't have a normal campus situation. if students are not at the games, not attending classes in a normal way, doesn't the that blow the cover on the whole idea of student athletes? we're going to play for television money? worst idea of all. >> bob costas is living his life, he gets stopped all the time, someone says we need sports. it is huge to our national morale, and we need it now more than ever, it shows normal, these are our heroes, we need this, bob. don't play to the risk. play to the reward. what does bob costas say? >> we want sports. we don't need sports. and if i have to prove my credentials as a guy who is interested in sports, people haven't been paying attention. i watched a lot of baseball this weekend.

i found it interesting even with no one in the stands. i hope they can play but there are legitimate issues here, when people said, this will mark a return to normal. really? when you're getting reports like this? watching the game and the manager comes out to the mound that he's wearing a mask and he has to socially distance? and they have 100-plus page protocol and it doesn't make sense to think that every one of these people will adhere to those protocols. baseball and football, they're not in a bubble. to me, it's a reminder. even if you're enjoying it of how abnormal circumstances are. >> conversely, it is the new normal. until we get the pandemic out of our way, everything is going to be affected. >> agreed, it's the new normal, it's not a return to the old normal. >> i don't know that you can, until you get at least a year from now. assuming we don't keep screwing it up. there's one theory among epidemiologists, if you keep playing it this way, it won't go

away. and their understanding of herd immunity is bifurcating. some saying get us where we need to be, others say no, actually, you need such a high percentage of the population, you can play it out like this, and get killed by death by 1,000 cuts if you don't take it seriously. i wonder if the sports will be a catalyst for communities to think, you know what, if they're getting sick, we have to take it seriously. >> sports focuses people's attention, it may seem relatively unimportant, but it cuts across all demographic lines. i think baseball. i have to stipulate how much i love baseball. fingers crossed they'll be successful. baseball might have been better off taking a look at the big picture and saying, even before they started. there's too many whys and wherefores here. we can't play full regular season, health concerns. fingered crossed for vaccine, no season in 2020, we hope we can come back and play a full year under safe conditions in the spring of 2021. in the meantime god bless you,

good luck and good-bye. they would have looked more statesm statesmanlike than anyone else in this situation if that had happened. but here we are. >> if this is any indication. if schools just open, we're going to see a lot of problems. in terms of what they're prepared for and what they're not. it's as good a chance it goes out without a hitch as the nationals call up tony fauci to be their new reliever. >> yeah. that first pitch was just, as bob uecker would say, just -- a bit outside. >> here's my defense. he was a shortstop, he was going to first. he was going to first. that was the throw. to first. >> the throw wouldn't have made it that far. i know you got to go but now a parenthetical aside, the minnesota vikings head trainer and infection control officer tested positive. so too did members of his family. doesn't that tell you where we are?

>> yes, it does. and we keep learning the same lesson. when will we do something about it? bob costas, value added. thank you very much. >> thanks. horrible situation that has been made more horrible by the way it's being approached. a black lives matter protester shot and killed this weekend, austin, texas. you can hear the gunfire in this video. >> everybody back up. >> now, how do you make something like that worse? the bizarre nature is that it seems to be processed through the lens of politics. i say this matters, this situation, and it must be framed through the facts. we have a witness to the shooting next. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again. to visit all the places we didn't know meant so much. but we're all going at our own speed.

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a man protesting police brutality was killed saturday night in austin, texas. his name was garrett foster, and he went to the demonstration with his wheelchair bound fiancee. he was legally carrying an ak-47 style rifle. something he was interviewed about on social media. take a listen. >> they don't let us march in the streets any more, so we have to practice some of our rights. >> this is not the only time he did this, okay? he was known within that protest movement for coming this way. here's the salient part. at some point a car got involved in the protesters, some say it was driving through an intersection. others say it burst on to the scene. other way, foster was in a crowd of protesters that surrounded the car, then this happened. >> everybody back up. [ gunfire ] >> what do we know?

s >> the driver opened fire. they told police that when they called 911, so we know that. we know someone else in the crowd also opened fire. not the man you just saw being interviewed, though. there are no reports of foster firing his weapon. all of the guns were legal, take that off the table. it's not a conversation about was it right to have the gun, wrong to have the gun. under texas law, everybody there was okay legally. no one has been arrested. why? >> police say they are investigating and the application of stand your ground which is a defense to any homicide charge that you were in reasonable fear of serious injury. does that exist here? if it is, there's not going to be any more to the investigation. there won't be any charges, that's not uncommon in texas. what we don't know. the identity of the shooter, who killed foster.

why? if there's no charge, if there's not a suspect, they wasn't name the person necessarily. cops say they won't release that name until someone is arrested. we don't know if foster ever raised his weapon or even spoke with the driver. because there were a lot of people there, you will know that, police will find that out if they endeavor to. we don't know what the driver was doing before the car was surrounded. we will, because there were a lot of witnesses. let's start piecing this together. it matters too much. james sasanowski was there. he heard the gunfire, he saw what went down. welcome to "prime time", i'm sorry you had to live through this, i appreciate you taking the opportunity to help us understand it a little bit better. simple question, when it comes to this. what did you see?

>> we were marching north up congress avenue. there was a jet black luxury sed sedan heading east, turning right on congress. to head south where there were hundreds of protesters, the thing i want to make extremely clear. and any witness will tell you this, but many of them are dealing with their things, they haven't come out like i have. the driver intentionally and aggressively accelerated their vehicle into a crowd of people. that is extremely clear. >> wait, let's question it as we go, that's an important detail. there are others who say that the driver was there according to normal traffic blocked by protesters, became spooked and was trying to get away from a threat and that's what you're calling accelerating. >> no, no, no, no, no. that's not true at all. not even close. he was at the intersection. wanted to turn right, i don't know if he used his blinker. we were coming up congress, we

were going perpendicular to the way his car was facing. he accelerated into and through his turn and almost ran a bunch of people over. this, like i said, this was intentional. it was aggressive. and he accelerated into a crowd of protesters, he could have waited for us to pass or he could have gone slowly and we would have allowed him to go through, wouldn't have been a problem. there was other traffic here and there. it was mostly blocked off, but he could have made it through just fine. he intentionally accelerated into the crowd. he incited the violence, period. >> when he did that, that's when protesters started to surround the car, did you see foster? >> i did not see foster specifically. yes, protesters of course surrounded the car because he almost ran people over. started smacking his windows

and stuff. a bunch of people jumped in the way. i was about 20 feet away from the window, a little bit, i was behind the car almost off to the side a little bit. and i was kind of looking forward, back over my shoulder. forward and back. while i was looking forward, i heard the first few shots. i turned over my shoulder and saw sticking out of our fully -- fully extended out of the driver window, was his last arm, with the handgun in his hand and i watched several more shots get fired. i saw the orange flashes off the top of the gun. in the moment, i thought he was firing indiscriminately into the crowd. obviously now we know he was aiming specifically at garrett. >> we don't know what he was doing, we know he hit garret, and the issue became why did he fire at garret, now, on that, garrett foster, the deceased. on that, you can't help us, isn't that the truth, because you didn't see what happened before? >> i didn't -- i don't know whether or not garret pointed

his gun at the vehicle. the driver called 911 moment he started driving away. he knows how to play the system because he called the authorities, he got his story in first. %-p trouble as possible. he knew how to play this. what i saw was his arm was perpendicular, it looked like it was indiscriminately into the crowd. out of the five bullets he shot three of them went into garrett. you cannot tell me that was not intentionally aimed at garrett. it obviously was. >> i understand, what did people tell you about what happened before? >> it was -- from the moment the car stopped to when the first rounds were fired was less than ten seconds. it was extremely rapid, there was not a lot of turn around time, it was just people screaming at the car, obviously, i don't imagine that there was any kind of real conversation going on.

you know, i -- >> did anybody tell you that they saw the victim point the weapon at the shooter? >> nobody has told me that. i have not heard any witnesses say they saw garrett point at the shooter or at the vehicle. but i want to be very clear that the driver incited the violence, he accelerated into the crowd of people and shot first. >> i understand. james, look, i know this is going to hit you in waves, this is a very hard thing to be around, when it happens and know what the result was. i know why you were there, i know you were there to fight for justice, and justice is what we should all want in this situation after a thorough investigation. thank you for helping people understand what you saw, what you heard and what you didn't see and hear. james, yes, last word to you quickly. >> i want to emphasize that this comes back to black lives matter. if black lives mattered in this country we would still have garrett today. it's in your own self-interest

as a privileged person to support marginalized people. thank you, chris. be safe. >> i will. our next guest says foster may have been there for good reason. but he did something bad in this moment, he had it coming. our next guest used to be a member of the austin pd. he leads the austin police department's union. what is his argument and why is he making it? next. mattress. and its mission is to give you truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning... ...or trouble falling asleep... because only tempur-pedic uses proprietary tempur® material... ... that continuously adapts and responds to your body, to relieve pressure... so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. all night. every night. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, experience our top selling tempur-adapt, now only $1,999. learn more at tempurpedic.com

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investigators in austin texas are sorting out what happened at the blm protest, the shooting that resulted in one man being killed as well they should. however, at the same time that the investigation is ongoing, the head of the police union there tweeted this out. saying quote, foster was looking for confrontation, and he found it. that man is kenneth cassidy, president of the austin police association. thank you for joining us on "prime time." >> good evening, chris, thanks

for having me. >> mr. cassidy, is an officer, to your understanding, is there an austin police officer involved in this? >> no, there's not, from what i understand. >> thank you. question is, why am i talking to you in the context of what your role is here, what are your statements if it doesn't involve an austin police officer? why have you become the proxy for the man who shot this protester? >> we've been battling back and forth with our city council to stop allowing these protests normally you have to have a permit. folks are coming down and just marching up and down congress avenue and various streets on nightly basis and it makes it difficult for us to keep up with the proper security folks need when they're expressing their first amendment rights. that is one of the big issues that we had.

and also the person that's been down there videoing, gilbert's -- has been doing a fantastic job of getting the info out, the same gentleman has been showing up with an ak-47 showing up in front of the city manager's house, it was a problem, you know, and you look like you're picking a fight when you're out standing in front of the city manager's house intimidating them, trying to get them to -- >> hold on, i'm surprised to be hearing this from somebody from texas. he has the right to carry the long arm, and he -- >> absolutely. >> he can carry it wherever he wants, and mr. foster had that same right, what i'm saying is, as someone who represents police officers, who are in the business of protect and serve, why would you put out a statement that foster got what he was looking for, as if he deserved to be shot?

>> all i was trying to put out was the information this this interview made a couple hours before this incident occurred, i thought it was relevant for people to see that. >> how is it relevant for people to see you think he was supposed to be shot based on his own behavior? >> it's relevant because -- >> it sounds like you like the idea that the guy got shot, because you don't like that he was there. screams of insensitivity. which is fine as a citizen. but as someone who reps austin police officers, seems like you shouldn't be putting that out there? >> he was down there peacefully protesting several days with the firearm. then he comes out and says, no one's going to stop him from doing it, because everyone's a bunch of pussies. to me, that's relevant. he said he would not point at the cops because he knew he would get shot. so tell the citizens of austin

i'm going to march where i want to, and you can't do anything because you're a bunch of pussies, because he knows he's going to get shot. i'm going to march where i want to. >> what i heard him say in the clip we just played is, they won't let us exercise our first amendment right, i have to exercise what rights i can. i'll exercise second amendment right. i didn't hear what you're suggesting, but even if he did say that. even with your incredibly forgiving stand your ground law that gives someone no need to or requirement to retreat, you still have to prove that the person in the car had a reasonable fear of serious injury before firing at the person. just having the ak-47 doesn't create that, does it? >> no, it does not. you know, like i said in tv interviews with our local news stations tonight, the difference will be, was he walking around with it or were the witnesses correct that said he came up and pointed it at the individuals. so far neither person that fired

rounds that night have been arrested. this is most likely the case that will go to the grand jury or d.a. will refuse to indict. >> they let the guys go home. i see that as one of the most bizarre things here, i know if they -- it's just so surprising to me that in this instance there's no probable cause when you have a bunch of witnesses around saying that garrett foster didn't point his weapon at the man, and that if anything his belief was unreasonable. and they get to go home. no small irony as people are arguing for better justice, for black people in this society. very rarely you hear a story about black people going home after killing somebody. because maybe they have a defense, maybe they don't. my last question to you is, i want to make sure you're sensitive to this. the police are being looked at with a lot of scrutiny these days. fairly and unfairly. do you think it's the right time to put out a message like you did, hey, this is what you get? >> chris, we put -- i put that

out because i thought the community needed to know, and maybe in hindsight it wasn't the best thing to do. but i stand by what i did. >> if it wasn't the best thing to do, why don't you -- not to be what foster was referring to people as, when they're too scared to do something. why don't you say, i shouldn't have done it, it's the wrong message? to say anything that seems in anyway justifying violence where someone wound up dead, especially someone who represents the police, i shouldn't have said that. don't stand by it, step away from it and say it was wrong. why don't you do that? >> i put it out there, thought it was important for people to see that and i stand by what i did. other people disagree. and i just think it was the best thing for the community to know at that time, especially with the individual showing up and marching in front of city council people's houses and the

city manager. to me, that shows that you're trying to intimidate our sitting city councilmembers and city management. i felt like that was important for them to know, and that's it. >> you know what else is intimidating? taking a handgun pointing it outside a car and firing it into a crowd and killing someone. that's intimidating as well. kenneth cassidy, i appreciate you coming on the show to make your case, i wish you well, and i hope the situation resolves in the interest of justice. >> thank you, chris. i appreciate you. >> we'll be right back.

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congressman john lewis. may you rest in peace. the conscience of congress. now, lying in state at the top of the steps of the capitol so the public can pay respect to a man, who made good trouble. arrested more than 40 times, he sat in the wrong places. used the wrong bathroom, on purpose. as a result, he was beaten,

skull cracked open by a cop's billy club because he was fighting the good fight, through nonviolence. letting the beatings, the pr brutality, reflect the reality. he did it for equal voting rights, was heroic, patriotic, brave. and he, also, called it, famously, something else. >> i would see those sign that said white men, colored men. white women, colored women. and i asked my father and grandparents and great grandparents why? don't get in the way. don't get in trouble. but in 1955, 15 years old, the actions of rosa parks, the words of dr. king inspired me to get in trouble. what i call, good trouble, necessary trouble. >> i was borrowing from brother lewis when i said who says protests are supposed to be

peaceful and quiet and polite? i know it says peaceful in the first amendment but if you just go and sing your songs and go home, nothing changes. and that's what he was encouraging. so, what's the difference between good trouble and what? bad trouble. all right. i'll tell you what the difference is. it's a test of where the trouble leads. yeah, that's right. ends and means. what's gained by the trouble? freedom rides. marches. arrests. blood. they led to desegregation. the ongoing black lives matter protests. in one of his later interviews, lewis called them good trouble. not the riots. not touching to hurt. not touching to destroy. that is criminal. that's not what lewis did. and that's not what he was espousing and cheapening what we're seeing, now, by those aberrant acts. you are ignoring the reality and

picking on the aberrations, for bad reason. and why do we see the other side of that? portland. this isn't about men and women being sent in. it's about the man sending them in. president trump is making bad trouble. he says the federal forces are protecting federal property from violent anarchists. local officials say they didn't ask. local officials say they're making it worse. so what's gained? well, for trump, we know what it is. this perverse pandering to white americans about law and order. for the rest of us, nothing is gained. when you abuse your power, you hurt your power. you hurt all of us. bad trouble. same goes for the president's will he or won't he relationship with masks. bad trouble. today, he wore one. yesterday, he chucked maga hats into a crowd of supporters in jersey. why didn't he toss masks? why didn't he wear one? why not? that's the question. that would have been good

trouble. a a week agweek ago, he called mask patriotic. now, who knows? bad trouble. john lewis put his life on the line for the good fight. there is a difference between that and what we see with this president, and that dicfference means everything to our future. we'll be right back. you truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning... ...or trouble falling asleep... because only tempur-pedic uses proprietary tempur® material... ... that continuously adapts and responds to your body, to relieve pressure... so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. all night. every night. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, experience our top selling tempur-adapt, now only $1,999. learn more at tempurpedic.com

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