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>> it's going to be a big test there, randi. we wish the people of florida the best. full circle returns next week, gives anderson a chance to dig into some important topics, have indepth conversations. catch it streaming live monday, tuesday and friday at 6:00 eastern time at cnn.com/full circle or watch it there and on the cnn app at any time on demand. the news continues, i'll hand it over to my good friend chris, for cuomo prime time. >> my man, have a great weekend, you and the family stay healthy, stay blessed. welcome to prime time, this president went to florida and warned people about an obvious danger. >> so i just want to thank everybody here be careful a little bit tonight, it's a pretty big storm. i don't know if it's going to be a hurricane or not, it's a storm of significance. >> it was good for him to go and mention a potential hurricane.
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but he said nothing to them about the catastrophe that has already hit them this very second. standing in front of a maskless crowd, all jammed in together, including law enforcement behind him. also close together. no masks anywhere. you tell me that this is a man who gives a damn about people getting sick? if he's going to sit there and say nothing, and in florida of all places. that state just set a record for the fourth straight day for covid deaths. even with their suspect reporting about pneumonia deaths that they called noncovid related. hiding hospitalizations and other chicanery. mr. president, how do you find any peace, knowing you stood there and didn't set those people straight. do you really think being president is just an accolade?
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do you really believe you have no duty to these people? taking this risk in front of your face? you really don't think you're one of the reasons why they have no masks? that they would pack into a place when the virus is all over the state? and if you really do have no sense of duty, have you no shame? that you would put people in this kind of position of risk? but, of course, i'm talking to myself, aren't i? we know the answers. he may not know the answers. but we do. mr. trump, it's all about his interests. not yours. all me, no we. that's why he attacks dr. fauci, and has his state tv pals do it. i know he said a few days ago, that fauci's his top guy. if that's the truth, why is he still having his dogs go at the good doctor. did you see this from just today? >> a half a million protesters
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on june 6th alone. i'm just asking that number of people, does it increase the spread of the coronavirus? >> crowding together corn tributing to the spread of the virus. >> should we limit the protesting? >> i'm not sure what you mean -- how do we say limit the protesting? >> should government limit the protesting? >> i don't think that's relevant. >> and we know the protests actually increase the spread of the virus, you've said that. >> i said crowds. i didn't say specifically. i didn't say protests. >> so the protests don't increase the spread of the virus? >> i didn't say that, you're putting words in my mouth. >> he has said and we've all said, the protests increase the risk of spread. jim knows this. you know what else does? no masks. you know what else does? denying the pandemic and calling it a hoax. you know what else does? not helping out with contact tracing and testing, and jordan knows every one of these things. i know jim jordan. you change the r after trump's
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name to a d, and he'd be all over it. jim jordan tore into democrats this week to lay off bill barr. let barr answer the questions. come on, man, let's stick to the point of this hearing. that line of entrapment style questioning from the gop congressman, we know he did it for one reason and it's not his constituents, it's a constituency of one, el presidente, el heffe, the boss. he got a pat on the head he seeks. great job by jim jordan, tweeted president trump. great job attacking the guy who's your top guy, a guy who said you like, a guy you work with so closely. you like that someone went after him, fauci is the guy that decides what we cancel and what we don't? shameless. but i'll tell you what is truly shameful, we topped 4 1/2 million cases today, we are
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going the wrong way for the wrong reasons. the cdc now projects we're going to reach 173,000 deaths by august 22nd. that is bad, period. >> there is also some good new information that we have for you. to help you figure out what the risks are and what we're all going to face at one point or another. let's bring in the chief doctor, sanjay gupta to break down the things we've learned. >> school, school, school, school. that's all we talk about in our house. i think this hybrid model a few days in, a few days out, is the worst of both.
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you create chaos at home and expose them to virus in the classroom. we have to pay attention to this cdc report about hundreds that were infected at a georgia sleepaway camp. do you believe this is kind of an analog to what we have to worry about with schools? >> i do, chris, this is a significant finding. we were following the story of this camp all along, should they open, should they not? a lot of kids know this camp. it's a ymca camp. >> there were 600 kids that went to the camp. camp counselor gets sick. they're wearing the masks, not necessarily all the attendees, the campers. camp counselor gets sick, they send them home, and decide to close the camp down, what do they find? let me show you here, we talk a lot about testing, not everyone could get tested. out of the people that could get tested. young people between 6 and 10, 51% of them became infected.
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these are some of the youngest campers, 44% and between 18 and 21, 33% of the people that were there got covid. >> why? was it the camp wasn't following the right rules? >> yeah, i think there's -- i think there's two things. first of all, there were some specific cdc guidelines in terms of everyone wearing masks. making sure there's proper ventilation within the various cabins, windows were closed. and there was a lot of people who were doing these types of activities. >> same as schools. >> putting a lot of droplets into the air. same as schools. >> yeah. >> a lot of these kids are the same kids that go to the schools in this area where i live. this was a huge concern, and a bit of a trial balloon in terms of what would happen in schools. i think the fact that young kids were actually the most significant percentage that got infected was worth noting and we also realized a lot of these kids were spreading it to each other.
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>> right. >> so it's one camp counselor and all these kids. >> it's not school as an analog, unless you're going to boarding school. the 51% in that younger age range, that leads us into the next piece of research we have to deal with. the president keeps saying, don't worry about them, they don't communicate the virus to other people. they don't spread it the way other people do. now, there was another study that the president has to know about that says that that is bs, once you get over the age of 10, people transmit the virus at that age the same as they do at our age, true? >> that's true. so that was a really good study, it was done out of south korea, they looked at these kids, 10 to 19 and traced the contacts. how much are they spreading? they find that kids between the ages of 10 and 19 were spreading just like adults. what was interesting about that
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study, chris is that we really don't know about kids younger than 10. for the most part, you think about it, they largely have been home since the middle of march, they haven't had a lot of contacts to trace, so we don't know. then a study comes out that says they carry a lot of the virus, the genetic material for the virus in their noses. they carry 10 to 100 times as much of this virus material in their noses as compared to adults. that's significant. you superimpose that on the camp study that the cdc published, a lot of kids are spreading to each other. admittedly in a camp environment, not a school environment. but they're spreading it. that is the concern, they're spreading it to each other, and are they going to spread it to people at home? to their parents, grandparents, other people in the community. that's an unknown right now, the evidence is continuing to mount, we're learning together. there's a humility that's necessary. we've said that since march.
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we're learning that young kids may be more likely to spread than we realized. >> two quick things, involving both of us as well. plasma, this isn't news if you've been following this, they have done more research on the benefit of plasma from people like me, who have been sick and have the antibodies. a lot of people don't want to do this. i heard it's too long, i heard it could be dangerous. i heard that they take out too much of your broad. i think there's some demist phiing we have to do here. and you and i should do the story, where you can come and be somewhere near me when i faint, because we both know i'm going gown if i have to give blood one more time. what should people know about plasma. >> i'll catch you, don't you worry, chris. >> have a pillow. >> here's what i'll tell you, we reported a lot of stuff lately, that is not yet peer reviewed. let's disclose that. batesicly, in patients who are really sick. these are hospitalized patients, they gave some of these patients the con vow less end serum.
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it's the anty bodies from the blood of someone who's recovered. what they found, it basically decreased the more tality around half. people who got this convolescent plasma, about 13% died. you're giving the an 2i bodies from somebody to somebody else, and hoping they gets to work, they get to work, and actually attacking the virus and continuing to prevent it to replicate, it seems to work. look, we talk a lot about a vaccine, but the share putices like this, we need to be paying more attention to them, they could be a bigger deal, they could be the bridge to a vaccine. >> this we already know we have. >> this we already know we have. we have to donate blood, that's what it is, there is not much more. i've looked into it, i have to tell you, here's the biggest reason to do it, if you've been sick. we know how great it would feel to make something good come out of something bad. i'm dealing with it, my bloods are all still screwed up, i know
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i have a ton of antibodies, i have a ton of igg antibodies. we'll do it together and take people through it. >> one other thing that was interesting to me, until i asked my wife about it. she lost the smell and taste. harvard comes out with a study saying, that's okay, turns out the virus doesn't attack the olfactory cells, but the neurotransmitter cells around them, so it will come back, you'll be okay. that's what the study is suggesting, right? >> that's basically it. inosmia is the word associated to the loss of smell. >> ashnozmia? >> anosmia. did she get her sense of smell back? >> she did. this is just one person. she lost it, it came back, and then it went away again a few weeks later, and now she has an altered taste, things taste putrid to her sometimes. and we're working with the doctors to try to figure out why. but she's not the only person who has said that. she's been reaching out and getting feedback similar. >> i think the study should be good news for her and a lot of people who lost the sense of
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smell. >> that it will come back? >> loss of smell -- >> that it will come back. the loss of smell was a predictive system for this covid 19 disease. i mean, you typically think of cough and fever and those are there too. loss of smell ended up being a reliable predictor. we kept thinking that look this must mean that the virus is attacking the cells that are responsible for smell, turns out that's not the case. those cells were largely spared, it was more the supporting cells that allow the cells to do the work. it makes sense that you lose smell. but it makes perfect sense it should come back, this should not be a permanent deficit. >> come the fall, you know, cold and flu season will be on us, and a lot of people are going to
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have fevers and runny noses. a lot of people will have respiratory distress. it won't always be covid. when you have the loss of smell and taste, it's a better indicator it's covid. >> dr. sanjay gupta, i don't know how you're keeping up the work rate you are. but you are. >> thank you, chris. >> i'll buzz you over the weekend and we'll figure out how to do this story. we'll show people and they'll feel better about doing it. if my wimpy ass can handle it. i don't do well with the needles, i don't know. michigan is imposing new restrictions, they're starting right now, why? they're seeing cases start to climb. the governor gretchen whitmer is not spending her time fighting against the obvious, she's dealing with it. not everyone will like it, that's leadership. i also want to talk to her about this interesting turn of events in the campaign. the president pulled his ads out of michigan. the numbers are atypically
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strong for biden in my opinion. what does she think? what is the pandemic politics going on in her state, next? people in michigan are seeing less of two things, tv ads for the trump campaign as he sinks in the polls there, and large gatherings, as governor gretchen whitmer cracks down to battle coronavirus after a resurgence in cases. governor, good to have you back on prime time. >> good to be with you. >> i hope you and the family are well. what triggered your need to reassess and start some more strict anti- -- socialization principles. >> well, as you probably recall, michigan was heating up at the same time new york was. we got aggressive with it, and
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on prime time. >> good to be with you. >> i hope you and the family are well. what triggered your need to reassess and start some more strict anti- -- socialization principles. >> well, as you probably recall, michigan was heating up at the same time new york was. we got aggressive with it, and by memorial day, we saved thousands of lives and we were the two states in line to contain covid-19. since then, we know people have gotten lax, and we have seen our numbers climb. i'm trying to nip this in the bud so we don't have to contemplate going back to a shutdown or back a phase. so tightening up right now is critical. if we want to have any shot of getting our kids back in schools safely in four weeks, our actions today are going to dictate whether or not that's possible. that's why we have to tighten things up now. >> what are they telling you in terms of projections in sterms of how this will help? >> well, i'm listening to my epidemiologist, we're letting
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the science and facts dictate the decision making. we're taking on lots of things into consideration but when we see our numbers climb, and we see the rate of positive cases climb. we're doing more testing than ever, and that's a good thing, but we do see growth all across the state. and that's why it's really important that we take action now, so that we try to avoid this increase. >> not popular, people don't like to go from more open to less open. you have this claire county sheriff who in a facebook post told state officials to stay in lansing and we will do what we will and free michigan. yep, i said it, i'm done with the -- blah blah blah. that is a little bit of a characterization. but this is not popular. what do you say to people who don't want to enforce it?
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>> it's not popular with some. we know this, the vast majority of the people in this state are taking this seriously, doing the right thing and we might have a sheriff who happens to be on the ballot in a couple months making statements like that, and i've been tweeted at. i'm not going to be bullied into making decisions that i know jeopardize people's lives. we're going to make decisions that are going to save people's lives. it's on all of us, every one of us has a role to play. if we drop our guard, we're going to jeopardize all of the sacrifice that we made to get us into the strong position. that's why right now is the time and everyone needs to do their part. >> let's talk about whether or not that sheriff is making the right political play during the pandemic. biden was up, michigan is huge in terms of winning. has a large number of white working class people that 1 his strong hold. we've seen in the polls, he's
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losing those white voters. and he now -- trump has pulled the ads, what do you think is going on with the pandemic politics in michigan? >> i want to make two points. i think joe biden's message resonates with michiganers. joe biden offers the kind of study ethical leadership that we're craving right now, and number two, the fact that they've announced they're taking ads off makes me suspicious. i've seen polls that have him up double-digits, i've seen polls that have him in single digits. just by them announcing that, we know that the devos group here in michigan is going to back fill that to some extent. this is still going to be a competitive race, it's going to tighten up, and no one should be
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taking michigan for granted. >> i am with you. i don't believe the polls, the economic difficulties, and the culture war that's going on now as -- captured in the moment of black lives matter, but it's just the latest iteration of the culture war. i think michigan, that's why you have this sheriff. it's very resin ant. especially with some white voters. do you think michigan expanded a little bit for the audience. you don't care about the polls so much, you think it's going to be tight? >> michigan generally has a tendency to tighten up, we'll get past labor day. if people write off michigan it will be a mistake, we have to make sure everyone stays focus, we do our jobs. the fact of the matter is, the path to the white house goes through the state of michigan and a handful of other states
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and no one should take the state for granted. >> i know these decisions are not easy, i know they're not always popular. you know what, neither is a pandemic. good luck, the results, you have a platform here to talk about what's working and what isn't, as always. >> thank you. >> be well. we showed you that jim jordan, congressman from ohio, what he did on the hill today, he was going after fauci, he was trying to hang the protests around fauci's neck, play fauci as a partisan. he was supposed to be there there figuring out real things to push fauci on, how are you going to roll back the vaccine and when. how are we going to convince people to take it, and what are you doing about testing and getting results faster for my home state of ohio where cases are popping. but he didn't choose to do that. he chose to be there for one man who wasn't even in the room. i'll show you how he did it, and i'll show what you it means next. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. the recipe we invented over 145 years ago and me...the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier.
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watch out for trumpets playing the bosses divisive tune. now it's jim jordan attacking dr. fauci for being a partisan. his basis? dr. fauci not seeing the blm protests as a main reason for the covid case spread. >> should we limit the protesting? >> i'm not sure what you mean should -- how do we say limit the protesting? >> should government limit the protesting? >> i don't think that's relevant to -- >> you said if it increases the spread of the virus, i'm asking, should we limit it some. >> i'm not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way. >> it's true. >> it's not fauci's deal. why not ask the president why he celebrated the maskless gun guys in michigan or at his rallies or his mask mocking that even you play along with, congressman.
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here's the next jordan jab. >> is there a world where the constitution says you can favor one first amendment liberty protesting over another. practicing your faith? >> i'm not favoring anybody over anybody. i'm making a statement that's a broad statement that avoid crowds of any type no matter where you are. >> fauci's a practicing catholic, what does jordan want to see? social distancing is a hoax, to crush jesus. fauci didn't make the rules. talk to gym owners if you want to talk about being unfairly excluded. this isn't about keeping people from praying, it's about praying that people act more like jesus commanded. being your brother's keeper. like you need to have happen in your home state of ohio, where 91,000 people have caught the virus. listen to this --
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>> i don't understand what you're asking me, as a public health official to apply on who should get arrested or not. >> i mean, come on, why does tony fauci have to make these points? what a waste of time, and what an obvious thing that was happening, making bad trouble. he could have been getting to how we deal with the vaccine. that's what we need in ohio, they're getting in trouble there, they need help. that state's going to need resources. why wasn't jordan talking about this, he wasn't doing it for his constituents. he was doing it for trump. but you know what? he got what he wanted. the line of questioning earned a pat on the head from the president. more proof of pandering to trump's true pandemic plan. create pandemonium. not pandemic, pandemonium, distract from all the bad facts. prey to white outrage blm. jordan played a deceptively
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edited wed vow of the protests to make the violence seem outsized. i'm not going to show it to you, because it's not accurate about what's happening on the streets. we know there are riots, we know there are opportunists, we know there are people doing the wrong things. we also know that what is right about those protests and what is wrong about this country is much bigger than those aberrations. and jordan wants to hide from that, but you can't hide from the truth. each of what he did in this hearing, these examples, just an act. he's trolling you. he would have you believe that he's a serious fiscal conservative, disciplined, a champion. the first line in his bio says jim jordan's background is four time state champion, two time collegiate champion in the sport of wrestling, helped prepare him to take on some of the toughest political opponents in washington. he was a good wrestler. he wants you to look at him and see him like this. but really he's this now.
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that's what he is. he's bought holy into trump's wrestlemania pandemonium during a pandemic. he's only too happy, congressman jordan and a number of other bunch of trumpers to wined up on his back submitting to trump's politics of demagoguery and division. he should be wrestling with the ugly reality in ohio. yesterday the state saw the highest jump in covid case counts since the pandemic began. dr. fauci even warned about ohio specifically. listen. >> there are a bunch of other states, for example, ohio, tennessee, kentucky and indiana which are starting to show that very subtle increase in percent positives among the total tested. which is a sure fire hint that you may be getting into the same sort of trouble with those
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states that the southern states got into trouble with. >> why didn't you talk to fauci about that? that's his area of expertise. not controlling protests. why didn't he ask about that? >> why didn't you ask him, how do we do better? how can you guys help us with the testing? how can you help us get results faster so people aren't making their whole family sick while they're waiting for the result for a test. 3500 people in ohio died, 11,000 are hospitalized or were, you're worried about the protests. that's the big problem with the pandemic. jordan can fight, but he's going to the mat for interrupt not for you. ahead, the middleman or the man in the middle of the jordan/fauci spectacle, jim clyburn, he clashed with jordan today too. he was the head of that committee hearing. his takeaway about what's going on and the bigger battles we're
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here we know this much is completely clear, if you go after dr. fauci, the president's going to pat you on the head. if you defend him, the president's going to come after you. my first guest got a look at that firsthand today. congressman, always a pleasure. >>. >> i don't care who the president rewards and punishes, we're in the middle of a pandemic, the person we're relying on most in the task force has become a pivot point for the president to distract from the seriousness of the pandemic, and attacking fauci is his way of saying, all this stuff isn't so real. how did it play for you today. >> i cannot believe some of what jim jordan was zealing with. he seemed to be blaming the spread of the virus on protesters.
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people who are peaceably protesting. irrespective of where they may be. i don't know why he would gear row in on that kind of a gathering, he had nothing to say about the president being down in texas with a fund-raiser, no social distancing. no masks, but that's okay. jim jordan really is working for the president. i would hope he would work for the people of ohio more. now it seems as if it's moving toward the middle of america, right in the path of that is ohio. so he ought to be focusing on what we can do to come up with a national plan that would include all 50 states and not worry
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about what may be going on in one state or the other. >> how worried are you? that the president will not do that? >> that he believes the politics of this situation dictates he can't own it, he can't take charge, he can't have a big national plan. he has to keep pushing it off as he does until now. >> the president's not going to take advice from me. i'll tell you this, if he were to come out tomorrow, go back to that march, the plan that his son in law had in march, that they threw away, that national plan that they decided not to implement, because at the time back in march, the virus was there, zeroed in on new york, new jersey and they blame it all on blue states. but we now see it has moved south, now going west.
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this virus has no respect for a blue state or a red state, no respect of a democrat or a republican. herman cain, the guy i like very much. he's full of it -- the president out there in tulsa, oklahoma. passed away yesterday with the virus. these people are playing with death and they ought to stop it. they ought to focus in on what is best for the american people. let's have a national plan. let's have a leader who will lead by example, not just precept, but example. and this president refuses to set an example for the country and we have always been able to set examples around the world. he just won't do it. >> you are friends with john --
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congressman lewis for a very long time. may he rest in peace. >> yes. >> i thought it was interesting that president obama -- it kind of threw me to be honest, chairman. i thought he was going to talk about how congressman lewis had come up and what he had fought through and what the impact was on desegregation and voting rights. instead he identified as what was the opposite or the target for lewis in terms of fighting injustice on what trump is doing right now. let me play a little bit of it for the audience to remind them. >> george wallace may be gone, but we can witness our federal government sending agents to use tear gas and batons against peaceful demonstrators. >> do you believe that what this president is doing is on par with what lewis and you and so many fought against in the '60s?
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>> absolutely. no question about that. if you look at john lewis, and what those people marched against in march 1965, they were peaceful. they were coming out of church. walking away from a church, and they were put upon by state sponsored rioters, calling themselves law enforcement. that's what they did then. same thing at black lives matter plaza in new york. i'm sorry, in washington, d.c.. that's what they were doing. peaceful. and this president called out law enforcement officer on horseback, clearing the way for him to go out and stage a phony bible toting trip in front of a church. that is the same thing.
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this is why the president reminded people that there's no difference in what this president is doing today than what was done in alabama back in 1965. >> think this president has hate in his heart for people like you and for the idea of justice in society for all? >> i don't know about hate, but he has tremendous disrespect for people who do not look like him. he would not rent his apartments to pedj who look like me. he called on the state of new york to execute four innocent people, who looked like me. he looked in the camera and called and asked an african-american woman who worked for him a dog.
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that's kind of stuff shows disrespect. sometimes i would much rather be hated than disrespected. >> why? >> because disrespect means i'm lesser than. you can hate the person on your own level. you can hate the person above you. but when you disrespect that shows a lower denominator in my opinion. >> that is a painful but powerful and strong insight. congressman jim clyburn, thank you very much for weighing in, and again i'm sorry for the loss of your friend. and i'm sorry for the whole country that we lost him, frankly, especially right now. >> absolutely. thank you very much. >> god bless. be well. be careful what you say, you don't know who may be listening. especially if you're the president of the united states. another one of his phone calls was just over heard, and it is very telling.
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be on the lookout for the double dumb. a u.s. senator was secretly recorded talking about policy with the president of the united states, on a speaker phone, in a restaurant. that's dumb. jim inhoff. the chair of the armed services committee, caught speaking to trump about the opposition to changing names of military bases that are named after confederate leaders. how can you want that? that's the double dumb. the call was leaked to "the new york times." take a listen. >> are you doing good? we're going to keep the name of robert e. lee? >> just trust me, i'm going to make it happen. >> 95,000 positive retweets on
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that. that's a lot. that's a lot. >> yeah. >> yeah, this bs, like, not wanting people, who fought to enslave people, to have their names in places of prominence on our military bases. robert e. lee didn't even think that was a good idea. look. i'm all for transparency. but if you're on the phone with the president discussing policy, take the call in private, senator. second, here goes the president again. showing you that he's completely unburdened by principle. okay? bragging about retweets. that's the way he forms his policy decision? and listen. he has gotten hundreds of thousands of likes on tweets about not renaming bases. no question about that. but should that be what he bases a policy decision on?
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especially, on something like this? crowdsourcing policy for 300 million americans? you're the leader of the free world, not an instagram model. one of the qualities that defines a great president. willingness to do what's right, even if it's not popular. lincoln knew this. speaking of lincoln, let's talk about the issue at the center of this call. president trump, dismissing renaming bases as bs-cancel culture. here are the facts. ten army bases in the south are named after confederate leaders. and again, they fought against the united states. and they fought for the enslavement of black people. i want you to look at the pictures. sometimes, people say, oh, you know, those are too harsh. well, obviously, we haven't let the harshness of the reality form how we feel about it in the present. now, thank god the confederacy lost and you did, by the way.
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but today, the u.s. military is united and fights for freedom, for all. and there are a hell of a lot of people of color who are doing that fighting. so, should our bases honor those who fought against that very principle? that's a rhetorical question. no, they shouldn't be. and the president should know that. instead, trump skews it as cancel culture. you can't cancel history, no matter how dark. we should learn from it, not celebrate it. the army says it is open to changing the names. and yet, for some reason, the president of our union, is still fighting for the confederacy. that is be the s. bs. we'll be right back. its missionu truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning... ...or trouble falling asleep... because only tempur-pedic uses proprietary tempur® material... ... that continuously adapts and responds to your body, to relieve pressure... so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. all night. every night.
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"cnn tonight" with the man, d lemon. >> how are you? did you have a good week? >> been peachy. my hair's growing back. not everywhere. but it's growing back. but it's coming back. >> i say just watching you saying, what is happening with that hair? you're starting to look like -- >> i look like caesar romero when he was the joker. batman. >> from three's company. >> listen, i'll take it. i just want coverage. i just want coverage. >> hey, the hair is the second thing to go. >> what's the first one? >> eyesight. >> what'd you say? >> eyesight. >> see, that was a play that my hearing had gone. >> no, i can't see anything without it. i can't see anything anymore, it's crazy. >> i think you just like glasses. i think you're one of those. >> no, no, no, these are real. look. you can see they're real.
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