tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 3, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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get advanced security free with the xfi gateway. download the xfi app today. good evening. well, the country may be in a new phase in this pandemic, president trump, certainly, is not. there's no new phase, no new tone. there are, as there always have been, serious medical experts offering the best information they know, at the time they see it. people like dr. anthony fauci. today, explaining this new phase that dr. deborah birx mentioned on sunday is about the increase in community spread. not just the largest cities or
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areas like meatpacking plants. no, it's bars, it's restaurants, it's people spreading it, who have no symptoms at all. and that, dr. fauci, makes it more insidious, to use his words. but not to the president. >> the virus is receding in hot spots across the south and west. we must focus on new flare-ups in the states where the case numbers have risen, including georgia, mississippi, tennessee, oklahoma, missouri, and i think you'll find that they're, soon, going to be very much under control. i think that we have done as well as any nation, if you really look. if you take a look at what's going on. >> we're doing as well as any country, he said. well, there was no mention of a national strategy or the 155,000 who have, so far, died. no reason, according to the president, to change haktbits a all.
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as if to em phasize his lack of interest in the pandemic, yet, again to play golf, what he so condemned president obama for doing. exactly one hour later, he teed off. in between, there were two interviews with two of his health officials offering commentary, commentary the president might have benefitted from hearing. one interview was with admiral giroir. he did not have positive things to say about hydroxychloroquine. >> at this point in time, there's been five randomize-control, placebo-control trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. so, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment. there's no evidence to show that it is. >> the second interview was with dr. birx. in that one, she talked about what she called the new phase of the virus. >> but i want to be very clear. what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it is extraordinarily widespread. it's into the rural, as equal,
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urban areas. >> now, we don't know, specifically, which part of the interview the president saw, or even if he did ultimately see it. maybe somebody showed it to him some time after his golf match or golf playing. all we know is a day later, after house speaker pelosi criticizing dr. birx behind closed doors, the president tweeted this, this morning. quote. so crazy nancy pelosi said horrible things about dr. deborah birx. going after her because she was too positive on the very good job we are doing on combatting the china virus, including vaccines and therapeutics. in order to counter nancy, deborah took the bait and hit us. pathetic. he's saying she, quote, hit us. meaning, she talked, seriously, about what this country is facing. the president sees that as hitting us, his administration. he called dr. birx or the whole story, the whole thing, pathetic. now, if it was dr. birx he was including as pathetic, he clearly doesn't care that she's gone out of her way, time and
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time again, perhaps to the detriment of her own credibility, to ignore the president's own statements undermining the work of the task force. and frankly, just embarrassing himself. there was that awkward time the president suggested injecting people with disinfectant . as the president mused out loud if there was a way injecting disinfectants could help and if that should be studied. or when she held up the chart about a google website that would involve quick testing and drive-through operations and results in under 36 hours. that didn't happen. it wasn't true. or when she said he's been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. she has done a lot to bolster this president. but as jeff sessions can tell you, a lot is never enough. before the president's tweet, it was his white house who said you should not attack dr. birx. dr. fauci, that's okay. according to this white house. but not dr. birx.
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quote, it is deeply irresponsible of speaker pelosi to continually undermine dr. birx. the top public health professional on the coronavirus task force. it's also just wrong, period. hard stop. do not, quote, undermine and create public distrust in dr. birx. period. hard stop. mr. president. so, no, there is no new phase, no new phase for the president. for the country, yeah. higher case counts, almost 231,000 dead, predicted now by november. the president, apparently, seems to be going well, he thinks. that's left many health officials like this emergency physician in california screaming for something to be done. >> 134,000 people died in this country, but there was no response to -- to stem that. the stemming should come. our rights are going to kill us. our rights to not wear a mask. that bullshit is going to kill
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us. they had two, three, four cases. they shut the whole damn country down. shut it down! we're out here praying. when flu season comes, how am i going to differentiate flu from corona? how am i going to do that? so we are at the point, i believe, right now, if we don't get serious, ashes, ashes, we all fall down. >> well, that doctor is dr. desmond carson, and he joins me, just now. dr. carson, thanks, so much, for being with us. what was it, in particular? you're an emergency medicine physician in california. we heard some of what you said last friday. i'm wondering what is it about what you are seeing, what you're experiencing, as a doctor on the front lines that has you so concerned? >> well, last week, we had a peak in our county. i'm in northern california in contra costa county. we had a peak on a thursday, whereby seven people succumb to
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covid. and the next day in the morning after they had asked me to speak to that, it was three other people that had succumb to covid. so that -- for us, that was a spike. we had, pretty much, flattened the curve. and we were on the winning side of trying to get rid of it, completely. so, that's what spiked the whole interest in me speaking. >> what -- when you see, you know, i have talked to a lot of doctors who talk about this kind of -- this strange experience of what they're seeing every day at work in the hospitals. and then, they'd go outside and you see people out on the streets, without masks. or you see video of people on boats, at bars, having a good time. you know, acting like we're not in the middle of a pandemic. what do you -- what is that like? >> it pisses me off. it's disrespectful to the people who are working, day in and day out, from my clinic to the multiple emergency departments,
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to the people who are going to fight this virus in new york, texas, alabama, miami. the people put their lives on the line to make this work. and as i said, we -- we know that we're at a war. we are in a true battle. i was just noticing, the other day, that 600,000 people died in -- in the great war, world war ii. and that was in six years. we're at 150,000 and we're at six months. people are very selfish and very self-centered, that they cannot wear just a mask. that's all i'm asking. wear a mask. wash your hands. and practice social distancing. i mean, when i walk in the house, my -- my wife makes me drop my clothes. when i go in the kitchen and try to stafrt eating, she stops me
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right there. wash your hands. and i get pissed off but she's right. so, i do what's the right thing. and if we do what's right, maybe we can stop this. remember, in korea, it was four cases. uno, dos, tres, quatro. four cases. they shut the whole damn country down, and they got rid of it. why can we not be respectful of this disease, and just rid ourselves of it? at least we have to deal with herd immunity, herd community, and we don't want to have to deal with that. >> one of the things you said is our rights are going to kill us. you're talking about people saying, look, it's my right not to wear a mask. what i don't understand, people wear seatbelts. people didn't like when seatbelts were made part of the law. they didn't like it but it saved a lot of lives, and people do it now. and it seems normal now. you really feel that, that our rights are going to kill us. >> absolutely. if -- they are absolutely doing it right now. you look at the outbreaks that
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occurred at the memorial day. the outbreaks occurred after july 4th. people are partying, hanging out, doing their thing, drinking, dancing. of course, i know what it's like to be young. i did that, lived that, blah, blah, blah. but now is the time that we have to get serious about this infection called covid-19. we need to be more respectful. respectful of our seniors. i seen a young boy, you know, 19, 20 years old, muscles rippling. he's arguing with a 67-year-old woman who is trying to check him out at the cashier. that's just damn disrespectful, man. you know, it's disrespectful for us to walk around, as i said, and not respect the work that all the people did in seattle, new york. these physicians, nurses, respiratory therapists. they have to go home to their families. so, they go to work to deal with this disease, that's killing 100 -- where are we at now?
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163,000? and people are playing like this is a joke. >> you know, you mentioned disrespectful. i'm always stunned, if i am in a place, you know, has a sign on the door that says, you know, you must wear a mask. somebody comes in, doesn't wear a mask, it seems so disrespectful to the -- the cashiers, to the people who are taking their orders. and it's, also, disrespectful that we expect those people, who are not being paid enough to do this, in this pandemic, to be the ones policing masks. that -- that we are leaving it up to cashiers to face the brunt of this anger. it's infuriating. >> ditto. that's exactly what i'm saying. i mean, an old lady should not have to argue with no young boy, who's swelling up on her because he's talking about his damn rights. he should just be respectful of that senior citizen, who
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probably went through wwii. ain't no telling what this lady been through. to be respectful of these people. i mean, we're also disrespecting the people abroad, who are trying to protect our borders and our interests, abroad, when their families are here. and they're thinking we're taking care of them and -- and we're not. we're not taking care of these peoples' families. it's disrespectful. so, if nothing else, these young people need to be a little bit more humble. and just abide to the -- to the regulations of those who are intelligent, i.e., the people in public health. one thing we definitely know, through this outbreak, is that when we have a separation of church and state, there damn well needs to be a separation of health and state. we should follow the rules and guidelines of the public-health officials, who went to the best colleges, the best medical schools. went through residency. that's 12 years of studying. and then, went to public health, just to make sure, when
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outbreaks like this occur, that they can be the ones to give guidelines. cdc. they give guidelines. but we have people who are businesspeople telling us what to do. if we respect the guidelines, we can be done with this. and then, move on through oo ouy because as i said the other day, winter is right around the corner. what am i going to do when someone's at the front door coughing, gagging? do i know they have the flu? do they have covid? or do they have, as 45 said, the sniffles and a cold? we won't know. >> dr. desmond carson, i appreciate all you're doing and thank you for speaking out. thank you for being with us. >> thank you you. >> you take care. be careful. more perspective now from cnn chief medical expert dr. sanjay gupta. and author to a covid guide to questions and answers for parents.
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sanjay, the day after his own top-health expert, dr. birx, who he seems to, until recently, listen to, as opposed to dr. fauci. dr. birx said the pandemic's reached a new phase and is extraordinarily widespread. yet, still, no new coordinated plan for the virus. no change for this president. >> no, it boggles the mind, at this point. i mean, you know, the idea that deborah birx is coming out and saying, look, this is widespread. based on the numbers that we all see. is probably undercounting just how widespread this is. you know, it could be tenfold worse than what we even know because we're still not even doing testing. so, the problem is bad. it's getting worse. and we're not doing anything, really, about it. occasionally, we'll hold low pressure on a wound, somewhere on the body. but that's -- that's really a about it. so it's -- it's -- we're in the middle of the worst public health disaster of our lifetime. as dr. carson was just saying. it really does boggle the mind,
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not only are we not doing anything about it, we're continuing to minimize it. >> professor haseltine, i want to play something the president said at the press briefing about lockdowns. >> lockdowns do not prevent infection, in the future. they just don't. it comes back. many times, comes back. the purpose of a lockdown is to buy time to build capacity, especially as it respects to -- with respect to hospitals. learn more about the disease and develop effective treatments, as we did in the united states. >> professor haseltine, is that true about lockdowns? >> it's, certainly, not true. lockdowns do work. i will just give you a number to think act. we had over 47,000 cases, yesterday, in the united states. in china, they had 43. 43. >> 43, period. not 43,000? 43. >> 43. period. that's all of the cases they
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had. right? and that has been going on, day after day. when we're at 60,000, they're at 35 for the country of 1.4 billion people. lockdowns work. quarantine works. isolation works. wearing masks work. contact tracing works. these things work and we're not doing them. and i agree with sanjay. it is extremely frustrating for anybody in health to see an epidemic, like this, go unchecked with, what we see, disaster ahead. it isn't only dr. birx. it's anybody who looks at the situation. all you have to do is look at the numbers. look at where the infection is. look at who is getting infected. and then, think what happens when we add 50 million more young people to the mix, as schools reopen? it's a terrifying prospect. >> sanjay, there are two new studies now showing that testing
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and contact tracing are key for reopening schools. when i saw that, you know, i mean, honestly, i thought dear, god, that's not good. because the two things we are not doing well enough is testing and contact tracing. we talked to the mayor, you know, around miami, who is saying -- saying that their contact tracers don't even, in some cases, get to, you know, get about 17% of contacts. that's -- that's -- i mean, that's failure. >> yeah. no. and we have been talking about this for months. you know, as dr. haseltne was just saying, if you get 50,000 new infections a day, admittedly, it would be a very laborious task to contact trace everybody. you got to bring the numbers down, and the way that you bring the numbers down is through all the basic, public health measures. all these countries and places dr. haseltine's talking about, they don't have a vaccine. they don't have anything that we don't have. they brought these numbers down using basic public-health strategies. when you bring the numbers down, then, you can start to contact trace very effectively.
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the two studies you are talking about, anderson, in the lancet, one was basically a modeling study in the uk. saying if you were testing at least 75% symptomatic people, you would start to bring numbers down where you could adequately contact trace and open schools safely. in south wales, they kept schools open with aggressive testing, aggressive contact tracing, and did not see any significant, you know, sort of upticks in the community of new infections. it is possible. but we just have so much virus out there right now, it's just such a large amount. we first got to -- if it was a large tumor, we, first, got to shrink the tumor before we can treat it. it's just too big. >> professor haseltine, parents worried about sending kids back to school. can you just explain that? >> right. well, everybody understands that you've got to look to see what your situation is. if there's a hurricane, you go to the basement with your children.
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that would be miami. that would be houston. that would be parts of los angeles. you just don't go -- you stay in the basement. if it's a thunderstorm, you stay inside. you don't go outside. you might get hit by a lightning bolt. if it's a heavy rain, you go out with equipment. now, each one of these corresponds to what we are calling red, orange, yellow, or green. if it's a light rain, that would be yellow. you go out with equipment, if you are going to send your kid to a party, you find out that he's going to be protected. it's only when it's nice and sunny, that means less than 1 in a million people in your area, is infected, that you feel totally confident. we have to be very careful. and people just have to use common sense. you know, there's nothing unusual about this virus. it's kind of like a cold virus, except it kills. if you think of this as transmission and how you would protect yourself from a cold virus, you'll have it, pretty much, right. situational awareness. what's happening around you is really key to survival for you and your family.
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>> mr. haseltine, as always. thank you, dr. sanjay gupta as well. thank you very much. president trump, also, bashing mail-in voting at the end of his briefing today. david axelrod and dana bash will discuss if that's a sign of campaign turmoil. what the strategy is behind that, it's pretty clear. we will also have a live update on a hurricane that's expected to be making landfall in the carolinas in the infenexw hours.
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president trump spent the final few minutes of his news conference, yet again, blasting mail-in voting. >> they're using covid to try and get the mail-in ballots. now, absentee ballots are great. absentee ballots. have to request them. they go through a process. they get them. but the universal mail-in ballots have turned out to be a disaster. >> also, said the post office is not prepared for the avalanche of mail-in ballots. earlier today, responding to a previous complaint about them, they said it has, quote, ample capacity to meet the volume. dana bash and david axelrod, senior cnn political commentator and former senior adviser to president obama. these baseless voting conspiracies the president keeps spreading. it's so obvious what he is trying to do here. and, sow doubt about, you know, in advance of this election. and it's married to his previous
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attack on the u.s. postal service. >> yeah. that's true. first of all, look, to put this in context, remember the president lost the last election, by 3 million votes, in the popular vote. and after the fact, tried to spin it as massive fraud. and appointed a national commission, that was run by his political cronies. and they could find no evidence of this fraud. and there's really no evidence to support the idea that mail-in voting leads to -- to fraud. there are five states that rely on it, almost entirely, right now. and there's -- been relying for years with no problem. but i think what the president is setting up here is -- is his post-election spin. and, you know, an interesting nuance on this, anderson, is the people who are responding to his arguments about mail-in voting
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are republicans. who, now, are less likely to use mail-in ballots than democrats. so, you may have a situation where a lot of democrats, concerned about the virus, vote, in larger numbers, through the mail. republicans show up in larger numbers at the polling places. so, on election night, the numbers may favor the president. ballots will come in after election day, and he will claim fraud. which is a very dangerous thing for our democracy. >> dana, i don't think the president really cares about the danger to the democracy. >> you know, or, potentially, the long-term effect of his own vote. i mean, if he really is that concerned about fraud. and if he really is that concerned, more realistically, about his own viability, then, he should listen to the very worried republicans, david was alluding to, who i am talking to, also. who are saying, every time he opens his mouth and says fraud,
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fraud, fraud, mail-in voting doesn't work, and please don't do it. it depresses his own vote. that's a very, very real concern. despite the fact, we've underscored this, again, there is no evidence in the states that rely exclusively on mail-in voting. it's only three but there have been a lot of studies. that there is any fraud, it's just not the way it is. >> david, the president's now threatening to sue, which is just such a ridiculous thing, the state of nevada over what he calls illegal late-night coup. i'm wondering what you make of that? >> well, first of all, the president sues everybody, for everything. that's been his habit throughout his life. >> he actually just threatens to sue, usually. and then, you know, slinks off later. >> that's true. >> but go ahead. >> he, also, apparently is intent on denying the fact that
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we are in the middle of an epic pandemic. the likes of which, we haven't seen in a century. and there are a lot of people who are terrified about going to polling places. poll -- election authorities are saying they are having trouble getting election judges to sign up to man the polling places, which means there'll be fewer polling places. and what supporters of mail-in voting are saying is give people the option, if they do not want to go to the polling place. and this is what the president is trying to prevent. and it's really part and parcel with his denial of the situation that we're in. and it's not likely to get better, between now and november. so he is sowing chaos. if the president wants to be helpful, if he is worried about the integrity of the election, then help states fund their operations to -- to deal with the -- the added volume of ballots they're going to get. and don't try and undermine the postal service, which is what he
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is about the business of doing now, to slow down the delivery of ballots and that's a big concern. the biden campaign is actually emphasizing early vote. not vote by mail but early vote because they are concerned, not about fraud but, whether the postal service will deliver the ballots, on time, so that they can be counted. >> dana, can you break down absentee ballots, versus mail-in ballots, in layman's terms? because the president is claiming wide-scale mail-in voting would be fraudulent but absentee ballots are fine with him. >> it's a distinction, without a difference. there are some places where you can physically bring in an absentee ballot, if you are going to be gone on election day to some place other than the postal service. but, by and large, anyone who has voted absentee, including the president of the united states, knows that you fill out your absentee ballot and you put it in the mail. and that is, generally, what happens. now, his argument is that you have to request an absentee ballot. and some of these places with
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mail-in voting, everybody who is a registered voter gets a ballot. and if you want to send it in, great. now, the other thing that we should say, that is a big part of what the president is doing, is, you know, there is concern that -- among -- really, his concern and it's starting with him and it's trickling down to all the people he's allegedly filing lawsuits, all these democrats or potential biden voters out there are going to open up their mailbox and get a ballot in the mail. and they can just send it back. and they're more likely to do that than the republicans are. and so, that is another big reason. he's worried that mail-in voting is just a recipe for him to lose. never mind the fact that, as president of the united states, advocating a -- a -- easier way to conduct your most important democratic act should be what any president wants, whether
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you're a republican or democrat. >> dana bash, david axelrod, thank you very much-let appreciate it. coming up, more on the new studies suggesting testing and contact tracing is key for reopening schools. plus, what advice dr. anthony fauci has for students when we continue. was that your great-grandmother? who stood up. who stood strong. who demanded to be seen. to be heard. to be counted. learning about her courage and grit... ...can inspire you to pass it on... ...to the women who are next. find your family's connection to this moment in history. at ancestry.
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scaled up testing and contact tracing being key factors in any school's reopening. joining me now, two professionals who are facing these issues. becky stone, the director director of alcoa city schools. and brian woods, superintendent of the school district in san antonio, texas. i appreciate you being here tonight. becky, the first area that went back to school in your state was july 22nd. i know you have had four coronavirus cases. did you expect so many, so soon, and how has that changed thing? >> you know, i think when we decided that we were going to open, we knew that we would have cases. we, unfortunately, didn't go into it thinking that, you know, no one was going to get sick because life still goes on. those folks are going to get sick, if they're in school or not. but the first one we had was just right after we opened school. and we met together.
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as a team, we did our contact tracing. and because i felt like we had some really good protocols in place, we -- we really didn't -- the exposure was very limited. and the second time it happened was last week. and again, i feel like because of the protocols we have in place and the safeguards, there was very little exposure. >> uh-huh. that's interesting that you are doing your own contact tracing, as a school. that's obviously a smart thing to do, given the problems we are seeing with contact tracing, on kind of -- you know, on the large scale. brian, in texas, you are facing a different timeline. schools haven't opened, yet, in your district. but once they do, they will be required to have full, in-person learning after the first eight weeks. correct me if i'm wrong on that. and do you think that timeline will allow you to keep your students and teachers safe? >> you know, it's a good question, and it's one that i hope we don't have to contemplate. obviously, our preference is not to have a set timeline. but, rather, to allow local school leaders and elected boards of trustees to make
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decisions about what's safe for their students and their staff. so, it is concerning to us that we have kind of an arbitrary timeline of eight weeks. and then, whoever wants to be back in the building can be. >> becky, i know your district did a staggered start, with students coming in for in-person classes, i think, only one day a week. which means i think you'd only have about 20% occupancy, at any given time. how is that working out? what are the difficulties that -- that you're finding? just for other educators who are out there. >> that's true. we have about -- we're a small district. we only have about 2,200 students, system wide. the good part, we're all on one campus. we have four schools on one campus. we did decide a different option. our students could also choose to do all online. and to do virtual learning. so when we say we brought in 20%, it's actually a little bit less than that because of those virtual-learning students, who are already online.
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but we did. we stagger. so students are in school one day a week. and then, they do digital learning the next four days, until they come back to their in-person day. and it's worked out very well for us, i can say. i have got lots of great feedback from parents, from teachers, from other -- from administrators. it does create some difficulty. and you touched on that a second ago. you know, parents. it creates a difficulty for parents. and i understand that, and we want to be sensitive to that. but at the same time, we felt like, with the pressure to open, this is the only way that we could open safely. and that was our first priority. >> and if -- if -- i know with contact tracing, if a -- you know, if a student tests positive, what happens, in terms of quarantining? you know, do -- does the teacher they were in touch with, does that person have to, then, leave school? does the classroom -- what happens? >> well, again, because we opened with such small numbers, it's very easy for our classes to social distance.
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and so, all of our staff are required to wear a mask, at all times. our students are not required. they -- 6 through 12, we have strongly suggested that they wear. and then, pre-k through 5, we have suggested that they wear, if they are going to be in close groups. however, it's been good because most all students are wearing masks as well. but again, in a classroom, if a student tests positive, there may only be four other students in that classroom. and they've been social distanced. and so, when you do the contact tracing, what we have found is that very few of them have been in close contact, for ten minutes or more, within six feet of one another. and so, the exposure has been very limited. and most of the time, both have on masks. >> so, they can continue coming to school and the teachers continue coming to school. even though they -- they've been in the area of a student but not for a prolonged time? >> that's correct.
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now, the student that tests positive, obviously, would quarantine for 14 days. >> okay. >> and then, anyone else that we find that may have been in close contact with that person and may have some exposure. they would, also, quarantine for the 14 days. >> and brian -- brian, the guidance for best practices for schools has obviously been a moving target, both federal and state levels. texas has obviously been a hot spot for the virus, in recent weeks. how has that changed your plans in preparations, if it has? >> it's changed in dramatically. when we surveyed our families in early june, we had about three-quarters who indicated they wanted to come back for in-person learning. then, we sent the same survey out in mid-july, that was down to more like a third. so we had to alter plans, dramatically. and unfortunately, in texas, we've had constantly-shifting state guidance, as well. and so, i don't, honestly, know which version of the plan we're on, at this point. i lost track a long time ago. but the -- the prevalence of the
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virus has definitely shifted our plans. but i feel good that we've got a good plan. a nimble plan going forward. and we'll be able to serve families, either in the building or in distance learning well. >> brian woods and becky stone. i appreciate -- i can't imagine how difficult it is to be an educator right now and i appreciate all you're doing. thank you very much. >> thank you you. >> appreciate the time. >> got more breaking news ahead. that tropical storm that brushed florida is once again a hurricane. the latest on its path and where it's expected to make landfall, in the next hours. just over a year ago, i was drowning in credit card debt. sofi helped me pay off twenty-three thousand dollars of credit card debt. they helped me consolidate all of that into one low monthly payment. they make you feel like it's an honor for them to help you out. i went from sleepless nights to getting my money right. so thank you. ♪
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breaking news. that tropical storm that brushed by parts of eastern florida has, once again, turned into a hurricane. tom sanders at the weather center. so, tom, when and where is this going to make landfall? >> well, probably around the midnight hour. myrtle beach or just to the east. again, every one of these storms that we have talked about in the last several years are all a little bit different. this has been a named storm for five days. so it's bringing with it, a lot of energy and it's going to be known for its heavy rain and strong winds not just at landfall, later on tonight. but tomorrow, for the big cities. finally, the rain is wrapped around it, the pressure dropped, the winds picked up. doesn't matter if it was a hurricane or tropical storm, what it was an hour ago, it's going to bring devastating effects. we've already had two tornados spin up brunswick county. that's going to be the story. already, we are seeing around
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myrtle beach, a good surge about three, almost four, feet above the normal tide. notice all the rainfall. south and north carolina have been inundated this year. the rivers are already high and they are going to see about four to eight. but all this rain out to the west is a coldfront, anderson, and as that makes its way toward the east coast, isaias are going to merge and really create a prob as with get into the bigger cities. my fear is that some of the heavy rainfall could lead to evacuatio evacuations overnight and water rescues. we've had, for the first time since 1960, since hurricane donna. but the heavy rainfall picks up in areas of virginia, toward washington, d.c. 6, 8, 10 inches in some areas. then, it picks up. so again, this is going to be the concern later on tomorrow afternoon. >> isaias is expected to move up the east coast. i'm not sure what it will become and how quickly. what should the major metro
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areas anticipate, in the coming days? >> well, let's break it down like this. the good news is as far as the surge goes, up in areas of long island, coastal rhode island, this is going to hit a time of about low-tide cycle. that's great news. the problem are the winds. as that cold front comes in from the ohio valley, the rain comes in to the chesapeake, the potomac. into areas of the delaware bay. but then, these winds kick up tomorrow. early afternoon, philadelphia, we are talking 60 to 65-mile-per-hour winds. and in new york city, anderson, 65 to 70-mile-per-hour winds are possible. the strongest wind event for new york city since superstorm sandy. we could have massive power outages so this is a multiday event. it's just characteristics of the environment playing along with this hurricane. >> we will be following. tom, thanks very much. now, the potential legal storm surrounding the president. new york prosecutors asked a federal judge to dismiss the president's lawsuit challenging a subpoena for his financial records. arguing his legal team's claims
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had been rejected by other courts and sharing other transactions that extend beyond hush-money payments to two women, with alleged affairs with trump. the president has denied the affairs. we don't know what, quote, transactions, they might be looking at but prosecutors note in their filing there are possible allegations of criminal activity of the trump organizations dating back a decade. jeffrey toobin has been digging into trump's legal fights and in his new book "true crimes and misdemeanors." jeff, i want to talk about the book in a moment but just first, the investigation of the trump organization we learned about today. at this point, is this a question of when, not if, prosecutors in new york get their hands on president trump's financial records? >> that's exactly it. i mean, if you read the supreme court's opinion, in this case, they left no doubt. that cyrus vance, the -- new york's county district attorney and his grand jury have the
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right to get these financial records. and -- and i think they're likely to get a ruling sooner, rather than later. probably, in the next -- in the next month or so. that is a final, final ruling. the important thing to remember, though, is that this is a grand jury investigation in that it is secret. the documents, including the tax returns will be turned over only to the grand jury and not publicly disclosed unless there is a trial which is probably many months down the road if it happens at all. so yes, the prosecutors will get these documents, but it's not like the congressional investigation, where there is a good chance the documents would then become public. >> we heard today from the federal judge whose son was shot and killed at their house. the judge's husband as i said, survived. i want to play a little bit of what the judge said today.
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>> daniel and i went downstairs to the basement and we were chatting as we always do. and daniel said, mom, let's keep talking. i love talking to you, mom. and it was at that exact moment that the doorbell rang and daniel looked at me and said, who is that? and before i could say a word he sprinted upstairs. within seconds i heard the sound of bullets and someone screaming, no! i later learned that this monster who had a fedex package in his hand opened fire. but daniel being daniel protected his father and he took the shooter's first bullet
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directly to the chest. >> jeff, you worked in the federal courts. you're a former prosecutor. the judge is calling on those in power to make it harder to find federal judge's personal information. do you think that lawmakers will enact that protection? is that even possible? >> it is possible that they could enact those protections. but as we all know, it's very hard to keep addresses secret in the age of the internet. there just is a lot of this information floating around. it's rare when federal judges have protections. sometimes they do in high profile cases or when there's been threats. there have been several cases where judges have had protection for a long time. but judges are here in the world. and they are not -- they don't have bodyguards and they are lawyers. they were previously lawyers in private practice. a lot of people know where they live. and they're at risk.
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it happens very rarely, it's hard to imagine these horrific circumstances. >> i want to talk to you about your books. i've read every one of your books. the o.j. simpson trial, the patty hearst book, your new book, true crimes and misdemeanors. it's about president trump and the mueller investigation. you started working on this as soon as mueller was appointed. >> i was, and i thought it was going to be just a mueller book. what really intrigued me about the story was, this was a genuinely secret investigation. there were no leaks out of this office. no one really knew how they did their investigation. fortunately i was able to get access to them, and as everyone knows, the story evolved from russia to ukraine and this turned into this next investigation of ukraine. one of the things i point out in the book is just how similar the two investigations are. but as you know, i was talking
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about it around the office for a long time. i was working on a mueller book from the beginning. but it certainly evolved into something more than that. >> the idea that the president was trying to get foreign dirt on his rivals is up for re-election against the same rival. it's an extraordinary series of events here. >> it's extraordinary, and what was striking to me in looking at the big picture here was how similar the russia story and the ukraine story are. it's not just that the president's behavior is similar, it's a very similar cast of characters. president trump really learned to dislike ukraine from paul manafort, who was his campaign chairman, deeply involved in corrupt activities in ukraine,
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and when president sell zelensky took office, you could see that hostility coming through. and the desire to use foreign leaders for personal political gain not in the national interest. and then to lie about it, and obstruct justice about it, it's really two versions of the same story. >> the book is out tomorrow. i cannot wait to read it. jeff toobin, thank you so much. up next, we remember more of the victims of the pandemic including a nurse and security guard. when you walk into an amazon fulfillment center, it's like walking into the chocolate factory and you won a golden ticket. all of these are face masks. this looks like a bottle of vodka. but when we first got these, we were like whoa!
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tonight we remember more of the lives that have been lost during this pandemic. joshua was known as a miracle baby, because he was born premature. he loved disney movies and begged for a little sister, who was named jasmine. he worked as a nurse in a convalescence home. he and his sister both came down with the coronavirus. his dedication to his work was inspiring to his family and especially to his sister who considered him her hero. he was 29 years old. george longoria was a security guard in houston who loved the city where he worked and lived. he worked at minute maid park and the toyota center, he was known as a warm and peaceful presence.
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