yo testament to your parents, and i hope you keep being that, every step of the way. and we'll be watching. >> thank you. >> god bless you, young man. justin hunter. our thanks to him. and we'll let you know how he's doing, if he wants. he is so courageous. let's carry that courage into more coverage of what matters to all of us, together. let's continue it, right now. we all want this to be over. it's not going to just be over because we want it to. not until a couple of things happen. you have to act together, as people who, collectively, want the same thing. we're saying we want the same thing, but we're not doing the things that we need to do. and we have to demand, of our leaders, local, state,

congressional, and, yes, presidential. it's not enough to say to wear a mask. not now. you have the uk getting tests back in 90 minutes. we can do the same thing, here. i know it's after 10:00. usually, don would be yelling at me. he's on vacation this week. i'm doing two hours, all week long. i'm happy to. he deserves the break and we have plenty to talk about because we are all being faced, tonight, with not just tragedy but travesty. listen. >> the virus is receding. in hot spots across the south and west, we've seen slow improvements from their recent, weekly peaks. i think we're doing very well. >> tell that to justin hunter, who just lost his parents. tell that to communities, all over the country, that aren't able to get their kids back to school because we can't get tests back soon enough. because they don't have the

resources to contact trace, to get them tests. how? how, in the richest country on the face of the planet? how are they doing it in the uk? how are we doing well? if he actually looked at the science, if he actually listened to the desigscientists, he woulw we aren't. but, you know what? i don't give him that excuse. i know this president knows the reality. he's hoping that you are dumb enough to be deceived. so, let's give you the state of play, the truth, the facts, nationwide. tonight, from sara sidner. >> we are very concerned and this is a very serious point and deaths will continue to increase, for the next few weeks. >> reporter: the coronavirus is still spreading, out of control, in parts of the united states. and death tolls are continuing to climb. the cdc predicting 19,000 americans, over the next 20 days, could die if the current trajectory continues.

one reason why? the u.s. is in a new phase, according to the white house's point person on covid response, dr. deborah birx. >> what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it is extraordinarily widespread. it's into the rural, as equal, urban areas. and, to everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. >> the numbers back that up. july's total new cases, more than double that of any other previous month. the hot spots, mostly, flaring up in the south and west. mississippi, now the highest percentage of positive covid-19 cases in the country with a staggering 21% positivity rate. south carolina follows, with 18%. as isaias strengthens, threatening its shores. in florida, the storm's winds forced some testing sites to close for a bit, creating a drop in confirmed cases. those sites, now back open. >> we are encouraged by some of the trends we are seeing. we continue to see a downward

trend in visits to the emergency department. >> reporter: still, florida is on the verge of hitting 500,000 confirmed coronavirus infections. california, with nearly double florida's population, has already surpassed that terrible milestone. despite that, in a state order shutting down bars three weeks ago, in los angeles, dozens attended a party thrown for first responders, without masks or physical distancing. the county health department is investigating. saying, this is exactly the situation that put our entire community at unnecessary risk. in new york, which has now nearly conquered the virus, dozens were caught partying on a charter boat, ignoring the state's large-crowd ban. the owners of that vessel, arrested. >> it is just really reckless, rude, irresponsible, and illegal. >> reporter: across america, schools are beginning to open up now. indiana and georgia, already, seeing coronavirus infections. forcing some students to return to virtual learning, next week.

birk sayi >> we are asking people to distance at this moment so we can get this epidemic under control. >> a special-education teacher in tulsa, oklahoma, expressing fear of returning to the classroom and regret of voting for a president she believes has botched the pandemic response. >> watching the failure of leadership in our country, beginning with the president, over the course of this pandemic. it's -- it's not just my death warrant i might have signed but there's 150,000 americans who are dead because of this. >> sara, thank you, so much. you know, all across this country, people like you and me with families, we're all getting into a jam. we're all sitting back and waiting. waiting to see what schools do. but we know the answer. everyone's going to hedge it best. nobody's going back to normal

anytime soon. but the president says, you know what, we're doing a hell of a lot better than a lot of other countries. what did you learn? >> look, it's simply not true. if you just take this number. the projected, the trajectory of what is going to happen, over the next 20 days, the cdc estimates 18,000 people are going to die, in america, over the next 20 days. that means that almost a thousand people, per day, are going to die because of coronavirus. that cannot be, and is not better than most other countries. >> sara, thank you so much. best to you and the family. stay healthy. appreciate the good work. all right. let's bring in dr. william schaffner. welcome back to prime time. you know, sometimes, doc, it is a matter of perspective. this is not a matter of perspective. what the president is telling the american people can't be true, according to his own bases of information.

admiral giroir, in charge of the testing. what does he say? next few weeks, going to be really bad. what's a few weeks? is it three? is it 13? who knows? it's open ended. dr. birx. what's happening is widespread and bad. it's entering a worse phase. he says i think we're doing really well. i'm seeing a lot of good things are changing. he can't reach that conclusion, based on what the people around him are saying, right? i mean, is there any other way to see it? >> i don't think so, chris. you know, justin hunter, i was just so impressed with that young man. his is a perspective that is the telling one. because the virus has taken his parents, and that's all preventable. it shouldn't have happened. i -- i agree with dr. birx. you -- you and i have been saying, for some time, that this virus has left the municipalities, the cities. it's now in the small towns. it's spread out, in the countryside, also.

it's over large swaths of this country, and it's moving ahead, with very little control. we're a city that has a mask order. but if you went downtown this weekend, where people congregate and the tourists go, you didn't see very many masks. so, we're in this position of having this huge disconnect from reality. i think our national leaders are on the fiction side of the library. we're over here, on the fact side. and trying to deal with it locally because we don't have national leadership. >> you know, you're in tennessee. the georgia school district story. 260 employees tested positive for covid-19 or been exposed. the metro atlanta district is the largest school system. guinette county is the second

highest rate cases. what is the story there? the way that it is coming out is, you see, they just can't test tand get the results fast enough for this to be safe. is it as simple as that? >> well, that's certainly one of the elements. because we haven't been testing, our cases in the community are spreading. this is a circumstance where we're trying to open up the schools, which we want to be as safe as possible, not only for the children but, for everybody associated with the schools, working in the schools. and this is going to be very difficult. we're going to have any number of circumstances like this, similar to it, clusters of cases appearing. and then, the schools having to back off and do virtual learning, once again, because we, the adults, haven't been able to control this virus through our own behavior. working together in our

communities. >> imagine if we could have results in 90 minutes. even if they're 40% accurate, you know, which is one of the do downsides of quick tests. if you could do that evidencery the way they are doing in the uk, what a difference it would make. the good news is we can do it here but the man at the top has to call for it. dr. william schaffner, thank you very much and be well. >> thanks, chris. >> the president is acting far more interested in a cure for what is ailing him politically than what will save this country from the endless wrath of a pandemic. what i don't get is, the answer is same, in both cases. why doesn't he see that, if he jumps in and does what they just did in the uk, that's his best chance of winning again? the white house is pushing a vaccine. it's not going to be ready as an october surprise. carl bernstein on what he sees here, in terms of political cost and analogy. next.

this president doesn't tell you the truth about this pandemic. he doesn't give you the right direction. he attacks the people around him, that are there to give you the truth. but he does do one thing, consistently. vaccine. vaccine. vaccine. which is good, right? but, the sense of urgency, the sense of any day now, that he gives. first of all, doesn't do

anything for anyone who is sick right now. when he could be doing that, by getting us better testing. that could, literally, be weeks away. think about it. as much suck as there is right now, we could be six, eight, weeks away from it being so much better. but he's not dealing with that. he's dealing with a vaccine. so he's not helping us get schools open. he's not helping us deal with the cases right now. but he is saying he's going to get a magic cure. now, a vaccine isn't a magic cure. we don't even know who would take it. but this is about politics for him. "the new york times." okay. they are reporting that scientists fear that the push for a vaccine is more hype, than it will be science. legendary journalist carl bernstein is here to help us put this in context. good to see you, big brother. now, we believe fauci. we believe operation warp speed. we believe that they have the all-star science team and they're moving this along. and that the government putting

billions of dollars behind it will help speed it up because they are going to put it into production, assuming it will work. that's all true, as far as we know. but what do you think the stretch play is here, politically? >> i think we have to recognize that we have a national emergency, unlike anything in our history. and that national emergency is that we have a president of the united states, who is demo demonstrably unfit, incompetent, not honest, and we need a political and cultural protectorate between now and election day, from the president of the united states and his recklessness. people are dead because of his recklessness. we need the political system to respond, which means republicans, particularly, because the republicans on capitol hill, as well as those who have left the white house. they know he is not a stable individual. they have told dozens of people

they believe the president of the united states is out of control. that he is not fit to be the president of the united states. we need to be protected from this president so that we can be protected from covid. >> one question about inside the box. one question on outside the box. inside the box, what is the explanation, as best as you can get, carl, about why he refuses to do what would be politically obvious to you and me, which is own this and say i gave the states long enough, i'm all in. we could do the testing, six to eight weeks. there's plenty of time before the election to show a demonstrable change, like what they are seeing in the uk right now. what do you hear about, inside, why he thinks ignoring this works? >> because everything is about the base, as he calls it. and getting the base to, somehow, re-elect him or get him close enough to re-election that he can, then, put into authoritarian practice, some kind of mechanism that will

allow him to hold onto power. perhaps, throw the election into the house of representatives which, indeed, is being talked about in the white house. you have to remember, the day before the president finally said, well, people should be wearing masks. the epidemiologist came to the president of the united states, and i know this from people in the white house, and said, mr. president, this is beyond a national emergency. this situation is on fire. you must act. but this cannot be contained, right now, because it is out of control. his message has not been this is out of control. he has been told, by those closest to him. but what we see is that, once again, as throughout his presidency, he has no ability or interest in the welfare of the united states, as a people, as an entity. and he is much more interested, for instance, when you look at his relations with vladimir putin of russia. he is much more interested in showing what a tough guy he is

to putin, than solving the greatest problem that a united states president has faced, at home, in generations. we are in need of action, by the political system and by republicans on capitol hill, including the craven mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell understands that this president is not capable of being a fit president of the united states. and it is time, as happened in the nixon presidency. what happened in the nixon presidency? a group of republicans, led by the great, conservative barry goldwater, and by the minority leader of the house, and by the republican leadership. marched to the white house and said to richard nixon, you are unfit to remain in office. you must leave the presidency. we will no longer support you. something similar has got to happen, in some kind of conscience rendering, by republicans, to save us and to save lives in this country. >> you know, carl, we always say that we're concerned about people losing faith in the

system. and expecting this type of perfidy but the real shame is the politicians may have lost their sense of dignity and duty that they have for the people that put them there. carl bernstein, as always, thank you for making us better and smarter tonight. be healthy. i miss you. >> good to see you. >> at the white house today, the president holding up a map, okay. i'll show it to you. of all these covid hot spots. all right? they're hot spots. that's what's on the map. okay? if you look at the color queue, most of that is bad, what's on there. he holds it up and says this is good. all right? another map, that is key to his fate, shows, also, things that are really bad for him right now because they're a reflection of what you think, all over this country, about him. the tale of two maps, as told by

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at his cabinet meeting today, the president held up a map of the coronavirus hot spots. watch this. >> well, i think we're doing a great job. i think we're doing great on vaccines. we're doing great on therapeutics. you'll be seeing that very soon. i think, when you look at a map -- this is a map of the -- show that around a little bit. but the red is the area most concern. >> those red places. florida. arizona. they now correspond with political problems for this president, where he should not have them. but mostly, because they're yellow, on this map. in other words, meaning, they are now key battleground states. coronavirus is starting to

equate with a political virus, for this president. the proof is in the money. the trump campaign spending is now heavily on ads in arizona, florida, georgia, and north carolina. why? the wizard of odds, harry enten, is here to tell us why. good to see you, young brother. why do we see this shift? and what do you see in the numbers? >> i mean, let's take a look at those numbers, right? take a look at the recent polling averages, from those four states. what do you see? you know, i averaged out all the polls. in all of those states, quite competitive, these are states that donald trump won four years ago. and with the exception of georgia, you see that biden actually has the advantage. and in a state like florida, right, which of course is the swingiest state of all, the keyest state of all, biden has a six-point lead in the average. and is at that key 50% threshold. so not a big surprise they're going back into those states right now. >> you sent me the note that no republican has won the white

house without north carolina, where biden is up 49-46, since eisenhower. i say pish-posh. trump winds up winning these states -- if he wins them, is it over? >> no, and that's the amazing thing, right? if you look at the electoral map is, those four states are states that -- trump -- look, you can create scenarios, in which trump doesn't win those four states. it's very hard to get that scenario, right? but you can much easier paint scenarios where biden wins none of those four and he wins in states like michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. and those are the states hillary clinton won four years ago. so, even if we go into your scenario, christopher, and biden doesn't win despite the fact he is leading in three of the four right now, booipd would stiiden have a good path. >> everybody thinks, november 3rd, you say back up. how much? >> yeah.

so this i think is really key, right? we all think of election day as occurring on november 3rd. but, in fact, there are going to be a ton of states that start voting in only about a month, right? north carolina. the absentee ballots get sent to those voters, get this, in 31 days, on september 4th. pennsylvania. michigan, september 19th. these are all key battleground states trump won in 2016 so when he is going to those states, he is trying to get to those early voters but he is, in fact, missing them in places like michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. so we think of election day as one, big day but in this year, especially, those early ballots, those early absentees. that's a real deadline we have to pay attention to. >> so that's the reason he is going after mail-in balloting. that's why he was dangling moving the election later, not sooner, right? hey, the pandemic may be really bad in november. now, it's great. we should be reopening. then logically, he would be

calling for the election to be sooner. he didn't do that, which means he is trying to buy time and, rightly so. one of the interesting things here, you believe an increase in voting absentee, or by mail, will be real and it will mean something on election day as well. which will be a decrease on voting day. how so? i get it, logically, if more people vote earlier. but how do you think we'll see that? >> right. i mean, look, there was a fox news poll that asked this question a few months ago and essentially said how are you going to vote? early, by absentee? early, in person? or on election day? and what you see is people normally say, the vast majority, say they normally vote on election day, in person. but, in fact, those same voters, this year, under 50%. and one of the things that i think is so key. if you add that in-person, early voting to that by-mail or absentee voting, what you basically see is 50% of this country may be voting before election day. if i had a watch, i don't wear a watch, but if i had a watch, i would be pointing to it.

the clock is ticking. and so, trump doesn't necessarily want people to be voting in a month from now or two months from now because he wants as much time as possible to get to election day. so he can sort of stretch out the field and have more time to come back in this election. >> i can't believe you have any clothes on without access to my closet. you know what, though? i am going to use one of your own notes against you. >> all right. go. >> trump -- trump's numbers have stabilized, for at least a month. i didn't need you to tell me that. but i will tell you this. that is why i'm so suspicious of these polls you keep throwing in my face, wiz. because, as bad as it is, he has stabilized. and if he decide to do anything, other than lie, defy, and deny the obvious, in this pandemic, it's a long time, even until september. fair point? >> i mean, look. here's the deal. this is why we don't count our chickens, before they hatch, right? this is why, at this particular point, trump still has a real

shot at winning this. you know, if you were to basically average out the odds from the model with what the betting market suggests, he has about a one-in-five shot. that's the mario mendoza line, right? but there's no doubt that he is an underdog. and i think just sort of as the press generally speaking, we have to get forth, to the audience, that while trump is, in fact, an underdog and there is a better shot that biden wins, trump still has a legitimate shot at winning this election. >> very legitimate. when you count your chickens before they hatch, you often get egg on your face. mixed metaphor, but message delivered. har harry enten, be well. >> you be well, too, as i wear these shorts. >> breaking news. all right. hurricane watches, all up and down the east coast. why? well, isaias is continuing to strengthen. how much? let's get to meteorologist pedrom. now, pj, bring us up to speed about what we are seeing and what our current path is,

likelihood? >> yeah, chris, we are just about an hour outside landfall here somewhere in the border of north and south carolina. a remarkable storm system when you factor in tropical storm watch and warnings from florida all the way up toward the coast of maine. first time since 1960 we have had a storm, and keep in mind hundreds of storms traverse across the atlantic, this one, the first one with that expansive of a coverage area for tropical storm warnings. in the last hour, the national hurricane center, releasing an additional advisory increasing up to 80 miles per hour. there is the center of circulation. we think this moves somewhere just south of wilmington. again, strengthening as it approaches land. and the concern is the forward progression really picks up over the next 24 hours. brings tremendous rainfall across the region.

certainly, going to see flooding risk and the storm surge. if you have been outside and looked at the moon, it is a full moon. taking place at this very moment, as the storm system works ashore. and then, of course, the system here really picks up that forward progression. so by lunch dpts titime on tues is pushing into chesapeake, by the afternoon evening hours. the center of circulation could be right around new york city by about 4 to 5:00 p.m. it really says quite a bit and we think that could be a major, major issue here, of course, for an area such as new york city. of course, hurricane sandy, superstorm sandy, back in 2012, had wind gusts about 70 miles per hour. this would be the strongest wind gusts since that time. should be strongest right around new york city, into the afternoon hours and kind of follow the rapid progression of this. park it in place around, say, 5:30. philly, new york, there is the center of the storm. you'll notice it pushes in just

potentially west of new york city. the contours, chris, in the dark reds and purposeless, tholes, t highest winds. and of course, when it comes to trees there, at its height right now. and we think power outages are going to be widespread across that region. >> for people in the northeast, when you say superstorm sandy, they will remember. me and your boy sam champion, meteorologist extraordinaire spent a night on top of our car in southern manhattan, watching all the flooding around us. and we did not know what was going to happen. cars were floating through manhattan in the southern part. pj, thank you very much. keep us abreast of the information. all right. conspiracy theorist and iz islamaphobe was close to becoming a top pentagon official. that is, until cnn's k file

started digging into his past. so, why is this president taking that reality and ignoring it? and doing an end run? basically, giving the guy the same job, without that pesky, constitutional check in balance. only the best? drain the swamp? let's ask a senator who's called that retired general, unfit. what does she think about this move? next. (birds chirping)

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but, only so that he could take the deputy position, under that role. well, why? the rules say if tada stays there for 90 days, he can take the original job he wanted, in an acting capacity. no senate approval required. a reminder. this is the third-highest position in the pentagon. and it could be held by a man, who has pushed dangerous conspiracy theories. and has a history of making islamophobic remarks. he falsely called former president obama a muslim and a terrorist leader, and accused him of supporting foreign interference in elections. democratic senator, mazie hirono is on the armed services committee that scrapped tada's hearing last week. welcome back to prime time. trump wins. you lose.

>> i think the country loses, with this guy. but anything that the president does is -- should come as no surprise to us because the biggest thing that general tada has going for him is his extreme loyalty to trump. and of course, that gets the president's attention. >> right. but, senator, you know his play. his play is you guys are bad. it's all politics with you. you want to keep people who are from outside, who will want to go against you, who want to do things the right way. you want to keep it all to your insider's game. and tada's one of those guys. what do you want people to know about him? >> he's a racist. he is a conspiracy theorist. he has very bizarre comments that he makes about islam as the most terrible religion he can think of. insulting millions of muslims, not to mention the 6,000 muslims who serve, honorably, in our military.

so, he comes up with these bizarre accusations about obama, which you mentioned. and then, some kind of stable person that deals in reality is another person in the department of defense. and did you know, chris, that about one-third of all the confirmable positions in the dod are filled by people, in an acting capacity? and we all remember the president saying he likes to have people in an acting capacity so he can just get rid of them. >> right. now, senator, obviously, you are democrat from hawaii. where are republicans on tada in the senate? >> if they're anywhere, they are not saying it publicly. so that is, sadly, also, very typical of republicans. that's probably one of the major reasons that the nomination was -- i think he was too much, even for the republicans, who usually are in lockstep with the president. but i think some of them might have been in trouble, if they voted for this guy. this racist, islamophobic, not

very well-qualified. and also, there is this strange thing about how he escaped being court marshalled for his trysts. those are offenses by the way. >> got it. he said i'm sorry for the social media tweets. they're just tweets. i have a lifetime of public service. 28 years in the army. retired in 2009. this isn't me. the 28 years is me. what do you think? >> i don't believe it. and clearly, he was trying to get trump's attention by putting out all of those extreme kinds of views. including, by the way, putting it out there that the -- were engaged in assassination attempts. how bizarre is that? as i say, that is not a stable person. and by the way, he wasn't putting these -- or making these

statements when he was a kid. he was retired. he was a retired general. there is no excuse. not to mention, he didn't say sorry for his views. he just said -- i think he feels sorry that he got caught. >> so, what do you think you can do about it now? >> there is this thing called -- coming around the corner. >> and you think this is something that people will take into consideration? >> they should take trump into consideration. the fact that we're in the midst of three crises. we have the pandemic, we have an economic crisis. we have systemic racism in our country. and trump, the president, has been dismal in his addressing any of those crises, he absolutely takes no responsibility, for anything. he just wants people around him who will say yes to him. that is his main thing. and as i said, that is the biggest thing going for tada is he is extreme partisan and very, very loyal to trump.

we don't need that in the department of defense. >> senator, sometimes, you know, in terms of what we need in terms of defense right now. sometimes, when i see people on the floor of congress, you know, doing something theatrical or making a grand show. sometimes, i'm like, well, this is just political theater. we'll see what they actually get done. i actually feel differently about where we are, right now. i encourage you and any colleagues, right or left, that you can get to make any show of outrage and demand for action about testing. and getting us where the uk is, right now, that you can do, senator. >> chris. >> yes? >> the democrats have been saying that about testing. that we need a national testing plan. we need a national contact tracing plan. we need much better distribution for all the ppes, et cetera. but as i said, the president, at the very beginning, said i take no responsibility. you, governors, are on your own. and, therefore, all the governors, including the

governor of hawaii. they've had to fend for themselves in getting these materials. this is a pandemic, for gosh sakes. but the president takes no responsibility. and then, you have mitch mcconnell sitting back. the democrats were ready to negotiate the heroes bill that has support for workers. >> right. >> for states and local governments. two months ago. and only now is mitch mcconnell saying, well, okay, maybe we'll talk about it. and came up with some separate bills because his own caucus can't be -- can't get together on what they are going to do for the american people. >> i'm with you. i'm getting it. i'm just saying, desperate time call for desperate measures. and desperate people should do desperate things. and, right now, we have a window of somewhere between six and ten weeks. and once we get past that ten weeks, as you know, senator, in your home state, my home state, here in new york, and all across this country. kids are going to be done for the first half of the school year. the economic impact is going to be huge.

the louder we can be. the louder everyone can be, right and left, and reasonable, the better. senator mazie hirono, thank you for making the case, as always. god bless and be safe. >> thank you so much, everyone. stay safe. be kind. >> look. there is a lot going on, right? lot going on in your life. lot going on in my life. we are doing two hours of prime time, all week. by the way, that's easy. one of the things i'd like to do for you, this week, is i'm going to be 50 this weekend. i know. i know. i had like -- i know. i was doing better, before covid, right? we all know that. i'm going to do a lesson every night, that i have learned in my five decades that i think are going to be really relatable, and probably learned by a lot of you. and i think that it will be instructive because, right now, we're all learning about ourselves. and learning about what we need to be, for one another, right? i've learned things as well. lesson number one, tonight, right after this. sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!!

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i'm going to be 50 august 9th. i smile because i can't believe it. before i got sick i didn't care at all about turning 50. i was like, 50, what does that mean? i'm almost as strong as i've ever been, doing what i want to do. thank god my family's healthy. bring it on. now i'm in a totally different place, and i'm having to convince myself every day that things are going to get better. now i know relatively i'm incredibly blessed, but the whole thing is personal. five different decades, a lot of lessons, but i'll try and break them down in ways that i think are relatable to a lot of people now, sick or not. lesson number one is that it is

very important that you believe that life is good, even when it isn't good. why? two reenszs. one, life is good because objectively better than the alternative, right, which is death, which is always bad. however, i'm going to put an asterisk on that. why? it takes me to the second aspect. the subjective aspect. life is good, what about when you're poor? what about when you're sick? what about when you feel preyed upon? what about when you're abused? what about when you can't do what you want to do, when you can't be with who you love? when you are not loved. is it good then? no, it's not. but, look, let's say you're in so much pain that you can't take it, that you don't want to be here. we are in a culture that doesn't deal with that pain as if it had purpose and that pain as if it were real, as real a a tumor.

what would you do if one morning you went like this and you felt something like this. you go right to the doctor and you get help. we don't do that when the pain is on the inside, the tumor is unseen. we should. the second part of the answer is still good because you say it is. your perspective on trouble and problems is everything. it doesn't mean that they're not real. it doesn't mean that the obstacle is not there. it doesn't mean that the challenge is not there, but what are you going to do with it? we don't quit human beings. sometimes of course people succumb. it's not a judgment, but i've learned that life is what you make it if you're fortunate, if you're fortunate and you create your own fortune. if you decide to see things in your life the way justin, the teenager that you met tonight, did. i thought i was going to cry and not because i feel badly for

him. because, boy, does he have some precocious sense of riotousness and god being on his side and love being on his side. he will honor his two parents who are just in their 50s who died of covid. justin hunter has a go fund me page. you should look. he didn't break my heart, he filled my heart. the joy and understanding you can have understanding on such abject pain. every challenge is real. it's not a judgment. but i have learned that life is good either because it is, thank god for you and be blessed, or because it is what you decide to make it. it's not easy but i know it's true. we'll be right back.

cnn tonight with the upgrade laura coates right now. >> chris, i'm so glad i was here to hear your life lessons and so touching. my dad always said to me, laura, there are two kinds of people in this world, those that are humble and those that are about to be. sometimes life forces you into one of those categories, right? >> absolutely. listen, i know he's about my age so -- >> well, i'm not a day over 25, that's true but -- >> that is higher than what i thought. i know you finished college at, what, 7? >> 5. >> listen, you know, look, living is learning and life is pain management and everybody's pain is personal. everybody's going to have stuff. you know, all the trite is true. all the stereotypes are real. all the cliche's are real. it's all about our