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a daily death toll of more than 1,000 people. he's confident states can work together without a nationwide lockdown. >> every country has suffered. we, the united states, have suffered as wursz -- as much or worse than anyone. i mean, when you look at the number of infections and the number of deaths, it really is quite concerning. as long as you have any member of society, any demographic group who's not seriously trying to get to the end game of suppressing this, it will continue to smoelder and smoelder and smoelder. and that will be the reason why, in a nonunified way, we've plateaued at an unacceptable level. >> in this conversation dr. fauci had with dr. gupta, he

said wearing a mask should not be a political issue. first, let's go through. i not if we could touch upon this sortd of in what would be the prefng tory small talk and dr. fuchy and his grown children have been harassed. what did you think about that? >> i think rilit's sad and unfortunate. but ritit's the heated politica atmosphere going on. i have got emails saying blood is on my hands because i have not advocated hydroxy chlor kwn. that is unfortunately the politization of this mandemic,

and there are people who will take that next crazy step, and hopefully not do any harm. >> data side, let's talk about some of the broad things they discussed. because you heard dr. fauci saying essentially, and we knew this but it's always interesting to hear him emphasize something that we have little idea, really, what happens, how coronavirus effects children and even as spelled out some of the new things, when it comes to adults, there's very little when it come tos children. >> that's right. that's why, in my opinion, it's a little premature to start opening schools at this time until we know more. a, we don't know if this is going to effect children three months or three years from now. being we don't know if they're knowing to be a very strong vector, a cause of spread of the disease. so, until that is known, it just

makes sense to me that we should pull back and put the brakes on a little bit before we expose, not just children but teenagers to this. and indeed, the greater public. so, we don't know and it's something we need to accept that this is a new virus to humans and a lot, if not most of the stuff, we just don't know. >> he also was talking about. he was likening how, as a community, we deal with a public health crisis like this. he says it's like everyone is in a boat rowing together and you need to be rowing in unison. he was essentially saying we're only as good as our weakest link. when folks refuse to wear masks, how they increase the suceptability of catching the coronavirus for people who, even themselves are wearing masks. what did you think of him saying that and how he stressed the atmosphere right now isn't

conducive to an effective public health approach. >> i think that's a theme he was alluding to. i don't want to say something that become as sound bite, but i will. i think a majority of the problem is we have not had clear leadership that motivates us to row together. i believe if we had a fdr doing a fire side chat or ronald reagan saying it doesn't matter you're in the bayous of louisiana or the beautiful valleys of yosemite, we are here together. and what we need do is fight this as one. man, if you do that, and you motivate people, i think that goes a long way. so, we need a team captain to make everybody realize we have to do the same thing and that person should unite all the governors so the states do the

same thing. that's just a theme that kept on recurring, that if we do not have one big plan. >> no. there is not one big plan. and i want to switch topics and ask you about a new case report in the journal of the american medical association and it suggest as skin rash might be associated with blood clotting in sicker coronavirus patients. to have an external market would be fantastic. >> i think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this virus creates what is called a vascialites, meaning an inflammation, and of the blood vessels. so, whether it is large blood vessels, like this and the blood doesn't pass so it clots. but we have blood vessels also on our skin. and as those get swollen, they'll look like a rash.

so, basically, it is one extreme of the same disease. so, if we start seeing the outwards of a rash, that could be a harbinger of worse things to come. and you're right, that may be the red flag. but a doctor needs to say whoa, maybe we need follow this patient more closely and put them on anticuiagialants. >> it's great to see you. thank you for joining us. >> stay safe. president trump making his case again today for why he thinks schools should be open with kids in the classroom, physically in the classroom. but falsely says it's because kids are almost immune. >> in my view is that schools should be open. if you look at children, children are almost -- and i would almost say definitely, but almost immune from this disease. so few.

they have stronger, hard to believe and i don't know how you feel about it, but they have much stronger immune systems than we do, somehow, for this and they don't have a problem. they just don't have a problem. >> well, they do have a problem. children do get infected and they infect others. this is according to the surgeon general, one of the president's own health experts. and we know from a recent study that kids under five have a higher viral node in their noses. that means they have more virus to spread. that's a big concern. travis johnson is a high school teacher in omaha, nebraska. thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. you're not only a teacher, you're a single father with three children of your own. the president says children are almost immune while experts are saying the opposite. what is your reaction to that?

>> my reaction is anxiety and i don't appreciate statements being made by leadership where there's not scientific data backing it up. i think it encourages plans like the one we're implementing right now. we're about to open up, not on an entire basis, but a limited basis. and i think it gives, when the president says those kind of things, i think it gives people a false sense of security about schools opening and that's not the case. >> so, you're back at school ahead of kids running. is that right? >> yeah. our staff were required to show up at the school and tuesday we're going to start getting students back. >> and do you feel safe? >> no. i don't feel safe.

the general climate at our school is one of anxiety. because our building is doing the best that they can with what they're given. and it feels like we have the safety measures that we would need to do this, especially with a rise in cases like we've been seeing. >> so, take us through what your classroom is like. can you open windows? can you do anything outside? what are the preparations and precautions happening? >> well, the preparation precautions we're going through. we have -- we have sanitizing wipes, hand sanitizer, gloves. we're requiring masks. and that's fine for the classroom and we're trying to distance because we've gone to a system where half of the kids show up one day and half on the other. but that's still leaving the

class sizes around 16 and it's difficult to get the social distance required. and then you get around to a time like lunch. and the plan is 200 kids are in a cafeteria, not wearing masks, eating lunch each day. we take these precautions in the classroom, trying to maintain a certain level of safety but then you get to lunch and safety is out the window. so, i don't really -- i don't think there's enough being done to protect, not only our students but the teachers and then our student's families because i really worry for those families if they were to contract something at school and bring it home to families like that. >> and how are you feeling about your own kids possibly going back to school? >> i am nervous. really apprehensive about that. i honestly thought our leadership would have a plan set in place to start remotely.

and we received a lot of national development training over the summer. and on a remote basis. and we received all of that training and now we're opening up again, even though it's on a limited basis, we're still opening up and we could be teaching remotely, but our leadership is not making that decision. >> travis, look, your anxiety is palpable and shared by so many parents and teachers. we really appreciate you joining us from omaha to talk about what you and other students and te p teachers are going through. thank you so much. i'm going to be speaking live with a former mask skeptic, who is now warning people after her experience with covid. and i'll speak to a mother who was inside for their first day and scenes that went viral.

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they have officers reminding states that they must quarantine for 14 days. that is mandatory and they could face penalties if they don't. 38 states are on the tristate quarantine list. they say one in five quarantine cases can be linked to travellers coming from out of state. still, the positivity rate is low at 2%. >> thank you. scientists, doctors and research studies all say the same thing, masks work. they reduce the transmission of covid-19 by at least 55%. and if 95% of americans wore them, 33,000 lives, american lives, could be save bide october. despite this, many remain skeptical, and that included my next guest until she, herself, caught the virus. she fell ill and experienced headache, fever, difficulty breathing.

at one point her pain was so acute and breathing so constricted, that she was in and out of the hospital not just once, but four separate times. now she's making it her mission to campaign for masks. >> i want you all to know to just please put your mask on for you, put your mask on. for us. >> and joining me now. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. i appreciate this. >> well, we appreciate your insight here. can you just tell us about your experience fighting coronavirus and covid? >> yes. my experience, when it first started t was the week of father's day in june. it started on a wednesday where i was having a really bad headache and it continued on to thursday with a bad headache.

i had taken advil to see if the headache would go away and it didn't. when i tried it, to take another different medicine on thursday, which was exedrint usually clears everything, and that didn't work. and into friday, in the middle of night i would say maybe 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning i was having sweats, colds, my whole entire body was aching. and i could barely move. i could barely move. at that time on saturday, my boyfriend had took me to one of the covid sites in cincinnati, ohio, in von hill.

j i had did a test. and during that test they asked was anyone in the car sick? and i said yes, i was. so, at that time they took my temperature. and when they took my temperature, they did the swabbing, and they had, when they took it, it was like 104. at that time they told him he needed to get me to the emergency room at the hospital or he needs to get me to an urgent care. i chose the urgent care. the reason why i chose urgent care is because i was afraid. i knew i was in a lot of pain from the headache to the body aches but i just did not want to go 32 hospital because of all the stuff i was hearing. >> and there's a lot of people who have that fear.

in the end, you tell us how many days were you battling symptoms? >> it started on that wednesday before father's day. and it stopped somewhere in july. i did my testing, my third testing on july the 15th. and i would say the pain probably stopped a little bit before the 15th. i couldn't walk. for some reason i couldn't work. so, i was in my bed for three days. and i had lost my voice also. i'm just now getting it back to kind of where it should be. i stillival a cough. but like i said i was afraid. i was afraid to go to the hospital. i'm sorry. >> no. i was going to say that makes sense but in the end you were forced to try to go, right?

you got to the point where you tried to go multiple times. and tell us about your message now, as a former mask skeptic tell us about your message to people. >> yes, i was afraid to go. i'm sorry. i lost my train of thought. >> you were saying you're afraid to go the hospital but in the end, we know you had to go and what your message is for mask skeptics as you were one. >> i was scared and like i said my thing to everybody is you don't know what may go on when you get into the hospital. i didn't know. i had to keep going. i had vomiting, real sharp pains in my back. it was unbearable to where i had to go. people would say go to the hospital, go to the hospital.

i was afraid, i was scared. i didn't want to get put on the ventilator and that was my worse fear. but as i kept go back and forth with different things going on, because the oxygen level wasn't under 90, they couldn't keep me. so, pretty much i had to take care of myself at home, which was a very scary feeling. and i thank gad for people on facebook, and my family that prayed and helped me through this. it was one morning i woke up and i was having problems breathing. and i instantly called, her name is carol wade. i instantly called her and i said i am in so much pain. can you please pray for me. at that moment, she prayed and she said you need tell god that i will live. i will not die. i prayed to god every night and

said lord, please just let me get some rest and wake me up in the morning. i wanted to be able to see my son. i wanted to be able to see my son graduate some day or get married one day. this virus is not a joke. this is real. it happened to me, and it can happen to you. so, the best thing for everyone to do is put their mask on. you're not only saving you, you're saving us. >> ta'marsh, i thank you so much. and we know you have sa14-year-old son. good to see you recovering and you will be there for all those events. so, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the prayer worked. thank you so much for being with us. the president and his supporters continue to make false claims about mail-in voting, including the claim that people in nevada can vote days

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cast their ballots during the pandemic. so, on monday the state's democratic governor signed a bill into law that would give voters ability to cast a ballot as long as it's cast by election day. and now without any evidence to back up their climes say the new law is ripe for voter fraud. and they're suing nevada now for expanding the mail-in voting in the middle of a public health crisis. it isn't ripe for voter fraud. we're going to show you with a fact check that the campaign advisor made yesterday on this program. >> let's take a state like in nevada which, in the dead of night democrats push forward this law that even come election day, you could still cast a ballot three days later if you don't have a post mark or seven days later. so, let's say you vote for joe biden. then you find out in nevada that trump, president trump wins.

you can go to your family members, colleagues and say guess what? do you have your mail-in vote, let's cast it. because you can cast it several days after the election. >> no. no, you can't. it has to be post marked on or before election day. this is it the part of nevada's law that she's sinically misrchting. the mail-ballot must be hand-delivered or mailed to the hand or city clerk by the set closing time for polls. if it's mailed, it must be post marked on or before election day and received by the clerk saewin seven days of the election day. it says if a mail ballot is received within three days after the election and the date of the post mark cannot be determined -- so, this is the rare case where there is a post

mark but the date is inlegible t, it will be found to be on or before the postmark for election. this is not unique for nevada. many have provisions like this. and nevada isn't willy nilly mailing ballots and applications to anyone, they're sending them to active, active registered voters and nevada becomes the eighth state, giving voters more options this year. but like i mentioned in the interview, the trump administration has hamstrung the post office, prioritized package delivery over mail delivery and during a pandemic, only recently giving the postal service bailout funds and even then t was just one-seventh of the postal service says it needs.

so, i challenge that all of this leads to widespread fraud. and the sixth instances of voter fraud over 38 years in the entire state. none of them related to mail-in voteding, according to heritage. only 62 cases across the entire country in 2016, according to heritage. and this captures local schoolboard, state election fraud in addition to presidential election stuff. then consider there have been more than 156,000 deaths from the coronavirus. a coronavirus death in the u.s. is more than 2,000 times more likely to occur than a case of

voter fraud. i want to address criticism that i hear a lot from president trump's viewers who ask why we talk to trump campaign officials whathey say things verifiably false, or they ask why we cover things the president says that aren't true. he is one of two people from whom voters will choose to run the country. i hear the critics say that he and his supporters are giving life to lies. i have to challenge lies, and challenge falsehoods and conspiracy theories. they festered. you cannot just ignore b.s. you've got to shovel it. in a vote by mail election is becoming clear that skepticism

only applies to certain states. the states that he can lose. >> florida's got a great republican governor and it had great republican governor. ron dos santos, rick scott and over a long period of time, they've been able to get the arbsar absentee ballot done extremely professionally. florida is different than other states. >> and joining us is david smiley. so, the president says governor dos santos has mastered the absentee ballot system. can you tell us just fact check this. is there proof florida is better at this than other states? >> i couldn't speak to how florida compares to other places. i know they actually, nationally, most of the local

supervisors have good reputations and a lot of the large metro areas have the time and ability and equipment to process hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots. we've been doing this for 20 years in florida. and the state run by local election supervisors and not by the governor, in terms of an election, does have somethings down pretty good, with a few notable notable exceptions. >> and the trump administration has criticidzed nevada. the pointed is the ballots have to be post marked on or before election day. your reporting shows florida has a similar system in place. tell us more about that. >> in florida mail-in ballots have to be active supervisors head quarter president pz they have to be in hand by 7:00 p.m.

by the time the polls close. so, they cannot come in late. they have to be in by that point. but the mobile elections offices have ten days to certify the elections. so, in acchault there are ten days to count the ballots and submit them as part of the official result. sglit >> it's ten days they have to count in florida. i thank you for walking us through it as we see each state with similar things but also with their own twists on how they're doing this. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> schools in one georgia county have reopened and you may have seen the viral picture that has parents in the district very concerned about the safety of their kids. plus thousands injured after an explosion that experts are calling one of the most powerful explosions ever recorded. try wayfair. you got this!

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anxiety is pretty high over kids returning to school in person. but there's one photo sending students over the edge. students in georgia tapped into a -- packed into a hallway, no social distancing. there's only a couple of masks you can see when you look in this picture. and lushonda is a parent of a student in that county. thank you for being with us. i know you received a letter about that photo, which is actually at the neighboring high school to where your child goes. what did this letter say? >> hi, thanks for having me. the letter basically says that the photo is how it looks really bad. they're doing everything they can to make sure that children

are practicing social distancing. they're working on trying to figure out how they can basically keep our children safe in school. >> and so over the summer, just to understand kind of the choices you have as a family, when it comes to education here, you were told that you had a choice between in school and virtual learning. but as i understand, that's no longer the case. tell us what happened here. >> there's a waiting list. so, before school started, august 3rd, we were given the option of virtual learning verses in-person learning. so, i opted to do in-person because i thought they had come up with a comprehensive plan to keep the children safe so they can practice the social distancing, mask and things like that. and when i went to the open

house on friday and then was told that they cannot, one reason the school isn't big enough for them to properly social distance. and face masks are a suggestion. that really bothered me. as my daughter lived with me and my mother, and she has underlying health issues and diabetes and other things that put her at a higher risk of contracting covid. so, of course, it was a concern of mine. and i put my daughter on the virtual wait list and told there may be openings end of august, verses september. and i was told if she didn't show up first day of school, that she would be withdrawn. >> i mean, look, we've been talking to parents and i think

anxiety is the word to describe it because everyone is dealing with a different situation and none of them are ideal. thank you for talking to us. and for helping us understand your family's challenges. you're a multigenerational family like so many and we appreciate you talking to us today. >> thank you, brianna. we have more on our breaking news. telling sanjay gupta moments ago the testing situation is unacceptable and reveals that his family is being harassed.

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raising questions about why some 2,750 metric tons of highly explosive material was being stored in a port warehouse. cnn is in beirut for us. arwa, give us the latest. >> reporter: well, add to that death toll the number of wounded, around 5,000 of them. and you could just imagine how overwhelmed hospitals were yesterday and the aftermath of this explosion. and even throughout the day today. and people are still unable to get in touch with their loved ones in some cases. most who you talk to here are in a state of complete shock, brianna. you could see, as they struggle to respond to a basic question of even how are you doing, how are you holding up, they struggle to find the words to adequately portray this emotional roller coaster that they're going through that ranges from shock to extreme

sorrow, to horror, to anger. a lot of anger is really beginning to emerge at the lab anise government who they are utterly convinced they have no regard for the lives of the lebanese population, if they did, how could they have allowed this to happen, kept such a volatile compound in what was clearly an insufficiently secured location. people want answers to that. people want accountability. the government is promising both but it is worth remembering that the population here has very little faith in the government and now they all say what they have to do now is just look out for each other, brianna. >> it is stunning and we appreciate the new information. thank you so much. now almost immediately after the explosion in beirut with little information available, pictures of massive destruction,

president trump to a white house podium claiming it was an attack. >> i met with some of our great generals and they just seem to feel it was -- this is not a -- some kind of a manufacturing explosion type of event. this was a -- seems to be, according to them, they would know better than i would, but they seem to think it was an attack. it was a bomb of some kind. >> i want to bring in national security analyst joe sorenson to talk about this. he's the author of nuclear nightmares securing the world before it is too late. thank you for being with us. and when the president said that, i think it is surprising a lot of people because there was no indication at that point that it was an attack. there is still no indication of that. what is your reaction to what the president said? >> it is inexplicable. in a normal administration, an accusation like that would be front page news and causing

international tremors but unfortunately most international media discount his remarks and the facts on the ground indicate this was not an attack, it was an accident. we don't know yt president said this. he may have been confused. he doesn't have a great attention span. he may have not have been paying attention or mixing it up with right wing propaganda trying to blame this on hezbollah or iran for their own purposes or have made it up. he makes up facts. he makes up information on the virus, on mailing, this may be one of the incidents. we just don't know for sure. >> and joe, i know you've probably see the video, but look at it right now with me. if we could also listen. you're a bomb expert. you have homes here that were

damaged six miles away. tell us what we just saw there, what kind of power was unleashed, what you might compare this to? >> sure. this is one of the largest conventional explosions we've ever seen. one of the most -- the largest unplanned chemical, what we call chemical conventional explosions ever. your cnn has a terrific piece up on the cnn website to the 1947 texas accident that involved a similar amount, about 2,900 tons of of ammonium nitrate. that wiped out a whole building and killed 168 people. but this explosion was so large, so unexpected, that people immediately thought it was a nuclear explosion. that there was all kind of speculation on twitter. and in fact, this is in a nuclear range.

it is much larger than this, but one of the smallest of deployed nuclear weapons is about 5,000 tons of tnt, it is a small warhead on our submarines now. that is about twice as big as the bomb that just went off. so it is not unusual or unreasonable for people to think this might have been a nuclear explosion, just by comparison, if this was a nuclear bomb like dropped on hiroshima 75 years ago tomorrow, that was 15,000 tons of explosive force or five to eight times larger than what we just saw. that killed about 100,000 people hiroshima, so far the death toll here is in the low hundreds, let's hope it stays there. >> let's hope. and i'm just -- i'm waiting to see as well what are the after effects of so many people having suffered through that blast. what might the concussions be and i guess we'll see that in time as well. joe, thank you so much for being

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months, president trump took part in this in depth meeting on the pandemic now killing more than 157,000 of his fellow americans and sickened nearly 5 million. and even though the president tweeted it was a quote/unquote great meeting, one source said it is clear that the president still doesn't get it on the the severity of the crisis. in an interview just this morning the president bolstered that claim repeating his belief that the coronavirus will just snow disappear. >> my view is the schools should open. this thing is going away. it will go away like things go away and my view is that schools should be open. if you look at children, children are almost -- and i would almost say definitely, but almost immune from this disease. >> let's -- on that last point. on the push to reopen schools, you just heard the president of the united states claim that children are immune from coronavirus.