tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 5, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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and good evening. a new report from cnn quotes a source who says not only does president trump still not fully grasp the severity of the coronavirus pandemic, he just doesn't seem to be interested in the topic for any length of time. last night, the president attended his first meeting with the coronavirus task force since april. he put pictures marking his attendance on twitter last night. try as the coronavirus task force might, he was just not interested. even, tried to change the subject. quoting the source now, he starts talking about something else. he is either not interested, doesn't care, or doesn't think it's a winning topic for his re-election. dr. anthony fauci, member of the task force, joined my colleague,
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dr. sanjay gupta, at a conference in washington to discuss the virus. >> there is such a divergence of how people view this. and such a divisiveness that has now crept into the political -- remember, a little while ago, you know, it depends on whether you wear a mask, on how you feel, politically. which is completely ridiculous because a mask is a public-health tool. it doesn't make any difference and, yet, we've gotten into this. so, the atmosphere that we are in right now is not conducive to, you know, to the kinds of things you are talking about. >> dr. fauci had a number of fact-based points. we hope the president of the united states hears and listens to. one is about how leaders need to change when the facts change. >> the true nature of science is that, particularly when you're in evolving situation, you've got to be flexible enough and humble enough to say, you know,
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two months or three months down the line, we're starting to see a different set of data, and a different set of facts. that we may want to modify, a bit, the kinds of decisions and recommendations that we make. >> and humble. those were not on display at the president's news conference a short time ago. there were props on display, said the healthcare president, as the president who vowed and failed to end obama care and replaced it with a never-announced plan. that failed as well. but now, he is calling himself the healthcare president. and as of just over two weeks ago, he is still making the same claim about healthcare. >> we're signing a healthcare plan, within two weeks. a full and complete healthcare plan. >> that was over two weeks ago. she -- he just says things about healthcare and the virus, like it's under control. repeatedly, the same things over and over. like this one, at the same news conference, about when the epidemic will end. >> it's going away, now.
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it will go away like things go away. absolutely. it's -- no question in my mind. it will go away. hopefully, sooner, rather than later. >> coronaviruses don't, always, just go away. nor, does the president's promise that it will go away. he's actually been saying that since the start of the pandemic. >> it's going to disappear. one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear. it will go away. just stay calm. it will go away. >> it will go away. you know -- you know it is going away and it will go away and we are going to have a great victory. >> it's going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month and if not, soon after that. >> i feel about vaccines like i feel about tests. this is going to go away without a vaccine. >> i always say, even without it, it goes away. i think that, at some point, that's going to sort of just disappear. i hope. z >> you still believe so? >> yeah. i do, i do. sure, at some point. i said it's going to disappear. i'll say it again. it's going to disappear. the virus will disappear.
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>> you know, i say it's going to disappear. they say oh that's terrible. well, it's true. it's going to disappear. >> we saw this during katrina. hope is not a plan. there were plenty of leaders back then that had a lot of hope about what might happen. the storm will pass, the levees will hold. hope isn't a plan and this president has no national plan. it is what it is, in his words. he won't listen to his top-health officials, even when the lies are potentially dangerous ones. >> i am talking about from getting very sick. if you look at children. i mean, they're able to throw it off, very easily. and it's ani amazing thing because some flus, they don't. they get very sick and they have problems with flus and problems with other things. but, for whatever reason, the china virus, children handle it very well. and they may -- they may get it but they get it, and it doesn't have much of an impact on them. and if you look at the numbers, the numbers of -- of -- in terms of mortality, fatality, the numbers for children, under a certain age, meaning young,
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their immune systems are very, very strong. they're very powerful and they -- they seem to be able to handle it, very well. and that's according to every statistic. >> you know, just before he said that, facebook announced it had taken down a clip of the president saying, basically the same thing during his interview on fox from this morning because it's not true. and it's harmful to spread the idea that kids are, basically, immune. a south korean study, published by the cdc, said children at least 10 years of age are just as likely to spread the disease, as adults. they can get infected. just like everybody. and spread it. and a new study from doctors at children's national hospital and george washington university in washington found not only can the disease affect children, which we knew. but it looked at which children are most often exposed to the virus. well, the answer is black and hispanic kids and those from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. a thousand kids tested at one site in washington, d.c., 73% of white kids were positive.
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30% of black kids were. and 46.4% of hispanic kids. even when it was adjusted for age and sex and median-family income, the inequality, still, exists, even among children. president can't pay attention long enough to hear these facts. it just is what it is, i guess. more reaction president trump's news conference now with chief white house correspondent, jim acosta. and dana bash. jim, what we saw from the president today, seems to square with your reporting that -- i don't know if he doesn't grasp the severity of the pandemic or it's -- doesn't play into what he thinks is winning plan for re-election. >> i think that's a good question, anderson. i do think it was notable that a source familiar with this meeting that the president had in the oval office yesterday with members of his task force would say something along the lines of he doesn't get it. and repeatedly said in this conversation i had with the source, that the president doesn't get it when it comes to the severity of this pandemic. obviously, members of the coronavirus task force can't go
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out on television or feel they can't go on television and say the president doesn't get it, publicly. but it not only squares with what the -- the president's performance today, not only on fox but, in the briefing this afternoon he had with reporters saying once again, as you just laid out, the virus is going to go away and so on. but when you have members of the task force going out there publicly, as dr. deborah birx did with dana the other day and say the virus is strieextraordiy widespread. when dr. anthony fauci testified on capitol hill last week that the virus is not going to disappear. brett giroir on one of the sunday talk shows over the weekend saying hydroxychloroquine is not effective treatment for the coronavirus. you have members of this task force, anderson, distancing themselves from the president. and i think -- i think that was very obvious in some of the quotes i was getting from this source familiar with the meeting the president had yesterday. there are people inside the administration who just don't believe the president gets it. >> jim, it's interesting. they're sort of saying he doesn't get it.
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that's that person's opinion, obviously. and it's -- it's allowing the president a certain -- i mean, it's sort of premised on the idea that, well, it's just a matter of trying to make him understand it. and then, he'll get it and then he'll change. as opposed to, what if he does get it? what if he does understand the numbers which are put in front of him and he actually sees what we are all seeing? but he just doesn't believe that this is a winning topic for him to get re-elected. and so, he has a strategy of just push it to the states. get as far away from it, as possible. stay protected in a biological bunker. hope it goes away. and just say it's going away, and say it's under control. >> i think that's a very good question. and i will tell you, talking to my sources over the last several months about this. one of the other words that comes up when it comes to how people inside the administration, close to the task force, describe the president's thinking. i mean, it has been described as a state of denial on the part of
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this president. that he is just in denial when it comes to the severity of this pandemic. and i think that goes to why he is engaging in this magical thinking that it's going to go away. now, perhaps, you're right, andson. a perhaps, he is seeing the data, understanding the data, and just flat-out lying to the american people, lying to everybody. but at this point, our sources are not telling us that. they are telling us that he's in denial. and that he just doesn't get it. and i -- i do think that there is a sense of that, you get from these press conferences, when the president, you know, i think just sort of engages in this magical thinking that hydroxychloroquine can fix things, and so on. when the data just doesn't back it up squchlt we ha it up. and we have seen this in other parts of the government, other episodes throughout this administration where he doesn't trust experts, doesn't trust generals. >> dana, it may be magical thinking but it is all magical thinking to an end, which is
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don't listen to what the experts are saying. it's not that bad. it's under control. and things are great and i'm working hard. i mean, it's not as if it's magical thinking that hurts him. it all is to his own benefit. >> it is, except that it is to his detriment, politically, talking to sources, you know, that i'm in touch with when he ignores reality. and maybe that was working for him, for a little while. potentially, working for him for a little while. but now, it's -- it's like ignoring, you know, the nose on our faces. i mean, it's as plain as anyone can see. and the fact that he is trying to whitewash it is -- is not, necessarily, beneficial to him politically because people are, more and more, seeing him not just with a leadership crisis but, with -- questioning whether or not he is living on the same planet that everybody else is living in. you know, a lot of times,
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frankly, most times in politics, politicians can give -- can give spin on something because it doesn't necessarily touch people's everyday lives. can you remember a time when something, like this pandemic, touched more people's everyday lives? that crossed party lines, that crossed generations, that crossed geography? it -- it's unbelievable. and so -- and he can't face it, with the tools at his disposal, which is the power of persuasion and the desire to baend reality >> dana bash, jim acosta, thank you, appreciate it as always. from medical perspective, let's bring in our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, who again interviewed dr. fauci today and former acting cdc director under president obama. he is currently president and ceo of the robert wood johnson foundation. sanjay, calling him the healthcare president. he still doesn't have a plan to battle this virus. and again, just saying that it's going to disappear, someday,
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hopefully soon. that's not a plan. >> no, it's not a plan. and, you know, i think the thing i was really struck by is that there's this tendency to want to hit the home run, right? everybody talks about the vaccine and, you know, the magical therapeutic. and everybody wants those sorts of things. most people do, anyway. but there are many things that can be done, should be done, now, that can make a big difference. you know, we have seen evidence of how well these things work in other places around the world. it may seem silly to talk about masking and physical distancing and avoiding large, crowded, indoor spaces. when the other part of the conversation is mrna vaccine. but these need to be part of the plan. that's the thing. there is so much confusion now. i can tell you, personally, making lots of calls to people around the country, they don't know what the plan is going to be in schools. is there going to be testing available? what is the mask policy in places? some have it.
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some don't. so, there is a lot of confusion, i think, as a result of not having a plan. >> dr. besser, you -- you've run the cdc. do you think it's the president doesn't get it? i'm not sure how someone doesn't get it, at this point. at a certain point, it becomes intentional that you're not getting it. >> well, i think we are in an extremely dangerous situation. as we're moving to -- to try and get children back to where they belong, which is in schools, learning. to be hearing these kinds of mixed messages about where we are and what needs to be done. i was on calls today with the seven-state regional commission that's looking at what efforts can be done in the northeast. and i was on a new jersey call looking at what we can do in our state. these are many states that are doing the right thing, in terms of reducing community transmission. but, even with that, if there's not the leadership from the top, at the federal level, as we start to reopen schools, as we get children back into the classroom. we're going to see disease
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spread in out-of-control ways. you can't think about things like school reentry, getting kids back in the classroom, as separate from the measures that have to be done. that -- that are basic, that have been done all around the world, to get this under control in communities. and that has to start from the top, with the president really leading the charge that this is what we need to do. >> and, sanjay, you know, when you look at these -- these studies, now. the one we talked about at the top of the program, coming out of a thousand kids that were tested at a testing center in washington, d.c. you know, a little more than 7% of white kids were -- were positive. some 30% of black kids. and i think it was 46.6% of hispanic kids. i mean, even when you, you know, when you put out sort of median incomes, when you -- when you factor that in, these inequalities exist. even the fact that these inequalities that exist in society, impact children's
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lives, from the earliest ages. >> yeah. yeah. they really do. and i saw that study, and i was, you know, obviously, you got to put that in the backdrop of there's still not enough testing as well because when you are getting that sort of positivity rates, that means you probably have way more kids who are actually infected, than you even realize. so i mean, that's -- that's part of the problem. is if you -- you know that you're testing enough people, if you start to see 5% positivity or below. when you are getting that percentage here, it's exactly like you said. first of all, the black and brown america are disproportionately affected by this, as rich besser's talked about for so long. but we also still don't have enough testing, you know, across the board. >> and dr. besser, for in terms of testing, when it takes days and days to get results back. and you know, we have discussed this with bill gates and others. it does become essentially meaningless, doesn't it? i talked to the admiral giroir about this who didn't really want to say it was meaningless.
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but i mean, if it takes you ten days to get a test result back. what effect does that -- how valuable is that test? >> yeah. i mean, i wouldn't say it's meaningless. but, what it does is it stands t expands the circle of contacts you have to tbe looking for. so if i don't know for a week and contact tracing starts then, they will be able to find my contacts at that point. but at that point, it's the contacts of my contacts who are also at risk. and if we are not looking at testing, broken down, by those demographic factors you were talking about. by race, by ethnicity, by neighborhood, by income. we are going to miss the fact that the resources for testing, the resources for control, are not being districted evenly. they're not being distributed targeting the communities that are getting hit the hardest. and as we move forward, you know, to open -- open schools, we're going to see the same communities and same populations get hit, even harder. >> sanjay, you spoke to dr.
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fauci earlier. and we played some -- some of that. i want to play what he said, specifically on testing because you brought up the fact you couldn't get a covid result for one of your patients when you were going to be doing brain surgery on them. you could get all sorts of other tests done on that person. but not a covid test. you had to suit up in ppe, which, you know, ate up a lot of valuable ppe that could have been used elsewhere. let's listen to what fauci said. >> it's unacceptable. period. the gap between the time you get the test, and the time you get the result. in some respects, only obviates the reason why you did the test. we've got to correct that. the ultimate goal is that you would have a test that you could do, and get a result in ten minutes, that's sensitive, specific, and can be upscaled, in the sense of you can do it any place, anywhere. >> i mean, we are six months in
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on this. when would such a ten-minute test become reality? >> well, you know, we have been talking about needing the big breakthroughs in testing for some time. i had a long -- a few long conversations about this today with people who are working in this area. and there is probably going to be a couple of, what are called, emergency-use authorizations for -- for antigen tests. now, these antigen tests are different than the -- the -- the genetic tests that we've been talking a lot about. they can be more widely distributed. they're easier to do. they're cheaper. the problem with these tests is they're not as sensitive, typically, as the other type of tests that we've been talking about. so, one of the strategies that comes up is, like, look. let's say you have a test that's 80% sensitive or 85% sensitive. it's missing 15% of the people. that's not a good thing. but if you have enough of those tests and you can do them repeatedly, then, you start to catch people you would, otherwise, miss. it's not a perfect solution but, right now, we simply don't have enough testing, period. so we are probably going to start to see some of these
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innovative approaches take place in all sorts of places across the country. >> sanjay, stick around. sanjay and i are going to speak with one of the top research officials at novavax which just announced promising news about a vaccine it's working on. and later, i will be talking with a man who, quite literally, should be dead right now. how he survived the coronavirus, despite multiple intubations and his heart stopping. was in the hospital for months. it's an amazing story and a cautionary one, as well.
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more breaking news to report. today's u.s. death toll topped 1,000 again. right now, it's at 1,053. it's the second day in a row we topped a thousand. increases urgency for a vaccine. comes from now the third u.s. company to release results of its vaccine. novavax says after two doses of its vaccine, participants developed antibodies more than four times the levels on average than those who have recovered from the virus, itself. we should note, about these fph results, has not yet been reviewed by scientists outside of novavax or hasn't been published. president of research and development at novavax. dr. glenn, can you just walk us through the results of the phase one data and how those results differ from what we have learned about the other two american vaccines that have released their results from phase one trials? >> yeah. thank you. and thank you for your interest and thank you for having me. and i think you framed it well.
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so we -- this was a test in 131 subjects. we gave them two doses of our vaccine. and, in the -- in the context of respiratory viruses, you can take the actual virus, itself, and mix it with the antibodies you induce and see if you can essentially inactivate it. so that's called a neutralizing antibody. i think most people in our field believe that, that's going to be something that will correlate or could induce protection. and what we tried to do and, of course, you know, we didn't know until a couple days ago when you push the button. we didn't know how well it compared to subjects who had been sick. we had a colleague at the baylor college of medicine. he had a number of subjects who had been really, you know, quite ill in the er or the icu. and -- and, you know, to our pleasant surprise, the vaccine was making antibodies, neutralizing antibodies, that were -- were about four times higher than what you see in convalescent subjects. and what that means, if you get
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really ill, i think we're all, in my field, all convinced if someone gets really ill from a virus infection, they are very likely to be protected. where you wouldn't see protection is if you have a minor illness, and you have low neutralizing antibodies. and that's common with flu, rsv. you have lots of, you know, exposure to viruses where people have neutralizing antibodies. but they're not at a level of protection. so, that's why we're so -- we see these really, very robust antibody responses that we know are functional and could kill off the virus. so that's got us excited. and really, ready to move on to the next stage of testing. >> sanjay. >> dr. glenn, i wonder if you -- you -- first of all, this is a nanoparticle vaccine so this is i think new for a lot of people. has there ever been a nanoparticle vaccine? and if you could just briefly explain for our audience, how do you make a nanoparticle vaccine? >> nano means it's at the scale
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or size of the virus. so what you are trying to do with the vaccine, obviously, is create immunity, without ever getting sick. the immune system is programmed to see the nano size. if it sees the nano particle, it becomes activated and you get these very robust immune responses. by the way, hepatitis b vaccine which has been, as you know, has been very successful, very good vaccine. was kind of the first particle vaccine made. we have a little bit of a different take on that. these are respiratory viruses. they have a complex mechanism, by which they bind to human cell. and basically this protein called the spike protein acts like a syringe to inject the virus genetic material into host cell. and that takes over and your lung cell now becomes a virus factory. and it's very, of course, very destructive to that tissue. so if we can block that, if we can make an antibody to that spike protein. so, to do that, we have to make the spike protein almost, you know, exactly like it is in the
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virus. but we put it into a little particle and that is a all that's in our particles. it's not a virus. it's not living. it's just this protein -- a syringe, as i said. and that's what we do. that's why it's such a good vaccine. >> of the study subjects, i understand five develops severe side fegts which i think lasted, on average, two days or less. have you adjusted future-trial phases based on that? or adjusted dosing, based on that? and what sort of side effects did they have? >> yeah. yeah. those are -- you know, look. you know, it's always important to explain -- first of all, collect safety and explain it well. and so, what we do in a trial is we're blinded. so people get salt water and they get, you know, the vaccine. and there is a couple different formulations we have. so in -- you know, in the trial, you ask people. well, did your harm hurt? you know, did you feel tired? do your muscles hurt?
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et cetera. and there's going to be a certain number of people, in the placebo group, that report many of these symptoms. and, in fact, you know, severe symptoms. so there is a of things, what severe means is they didn't feel like they could do their normal activities that day. so these are short-lived, severe outcomes like malaise or, you know, muscle aches. they're transient. and so, you know, i think that's pretty -- that's pretty normal, if you look across the whole percentage of subjects. these are one and two, you know, subjects having these kind of events. so -- so that's pretty normal for a vaccine. you know, we have compared our nanoparticle vaccine, for example, with flu. and so, it's pretty similar to that and i think that's not terribly unusual for -- for a vaccine. so, you know, there -- there -- there is no such thing as a free lunch. there's going to be some arm pain in some of these symptoms. and one of the things our vaccine does not do, which kmikt
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complicates, you know, a covid vaccine, is we don't induce fever and some of the other vaccines have some levels of fever. and that -- that's a hard one. you know, so -- so we're -- that's, you know, one of the positive things in our safety profile that we saw. >> it's always one of these things, i imagine, dr. glenn, when you study it in phase one, it's mostly healthy people, right? who are younger, maybe don't have any pre-existing conditions. so how much do you worry about those side effects you were just talking to anderson about, when you start to really widen the population of people who are getting this? >> well, the good news is, you know, and -- and i used to be an army doctor. the biggest babies in the world are the ones that are 18 to 25. so, you know, when you get old, like me, now, the symptoms tend to be much -- you know, tend to be less. okay. people who are older, you know, complain of less pain and et cetera. so actually, it goes the other way around. and, you know, we're right. we're in population of 18 to 59. and now, we're going to go into
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older adults. we just have very recent experience. you know, we're also -- we're a flu vaccine company that has a really good, new flu that addresses -- you would understand this. the changes. the antigenic drift that goes on, where you choose a strain one year. it reappears as a new strain, you know, in the coming year, and your vaccine isn't relevant. we just unblinded a phase-three, pivotal trial in -- in march. showing that we can address that. and, in that, we have safety with our -- with our formulation. it's very similar to covid in 65 years and older. so we have a lot of experience with this older group that have comorbidities, et cetera. and our vaccine performed very well there. we've met all eight co-primary endpoints. so we have transitioned to covid. we know that's going to be an important population. i think you will see the kinds of things we are talking about in terms of safety. they'll -- they'll tone down a little bit in that older population. >> dr. glenn, i got to go. but just briefly, you had said
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before, a while ago, i think you were looking for as early as in december for, you know, frontline responders. is that still possible? >> yeah. i think that's possible. we're -- i can't tell you. this is amazing global collaboration. vaccines companies are focused, in a way that i -- it's just really incredible to be a part of it. and that's a goal. i think people set out that goal. by the end of the year, maybe we'll be deploying these vaccines. and, you know, changing all these -- this curse that we have with this right now in terms of the virus. >> dr. glenn, thanks for all you are doing. appreciate it. saj as well. ahead on 360, a man is being called a miracle covid survivor. he was on a ventilator, coded once, his leg was amputated. his wife was told, several times, he was not expected to survive. thankfully, he did. chris will share how he spent 132 days in the hospital and survived when we continue. at-gr. -my grandma. -my cousin. my great-great grandmother. she was all of 4'11" but very tenacious.
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16th, he spent 132 days in the hospital. more than four months. chris joins me tonight, along with his wife crystal. i'm so glad you are both here, in so many ways. and i'm sure both of you are, as well. chris, you were just released from the hospital yesterday. how are you doing? i mean, to be out of the hospital after 132 days. what's that like? >> it's amazing. i'm elated. you know, i felt like there was a point that i was never going to come home. so, to have been released yesterday was a success. it was wonderful. >> how much -- how long were you in a coma for? i guess, it was -- i'm assuming it's a medically-induced coma, is that right? i mean, how long were you out for? >> so, the second stretch, which was the longest, was about 61 days. yeah. >> something like that. >> and i read that when you -- when you woke up, usually, people can't even speak when they wake up. i heard that was not the case with you. >> no.
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my first words were good morning to the nurse. and they were shocked. >> i bet she was freaked out. did you realize -- you didn't realize i mean, i assume, that you had been out for so long? >> yeah, exactly. so i didn't know what was going on. i didn't know that that wasn't the case, normally. and it didn't even feel like it had been 61 days. it felt like it had only been two weeks when i woke up. >> and i understand that when you woke up, you didn't know that your leg had been amputated. and it wasn't until -- i mean, how did you find out? >> so, the surgical team had come in. and i didn't know what they were doing. but one of them had asked me do you still feel like there's a leg there? and i said what do you mean is there still a leg there? yeah. so that was shocking news but i figured, from that point, it had to be serious to have lost my leg. yeah. >> i mean, crystal, obviously,
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you are aware of everything that is he happening to chris. you weren't able -- were you ever able to -- to be with chris in the hospital? >> not at first. i was able to visit him a couple of times. and i, also, was able to get his parents in to see him. at first, they were saying how you don't want to be able to see him. because if you are allowed to come visit, it means, you know, he's dying. >> wow. i mean, for you, when someone's in the hospital, their loved one in the, as much as anybody, i mean, is going through this in the same way. what's it been like for you, the ups and the downs of this? >> i mean, to be hospitnest, it hasn't been great. you know, i would not ever want to relive the last couple of months. but it's all worth it because he's okay.
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yeah. i mean, it's been, literally, we -- we were taking it day by day, sometimes hour by hour, and it's just how we had to roll. just literally, rolling with the punches. >> gosh. and you were following, crystal, nick cordero's journey. he had a battle with the virus, tragically died. many cases, chris's case was very similar. have doctors been able to -- i mean, is there an explanation for why one person does better and another doesn't? >> no. they have no -- they have no idea how he's doing as well as he's doing. >> wow. chris, what do you want people to know about the virus? because, you know, as you may not know, you just got out of the hospital and you have been there 132 days. you know, there's places where people aren't wearing masks. there is all sorts of different perspectives on this. you have seen this. you've gone through this, you know, as tough as anybody.
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what do you want people to know? >> definitely, to take it seriously. because when i had gotten sick, i never thought it could be me. you know? back in march, masks still weren't mandatory. new york wasn't under lockdown yet. and i figured, i'm young, there's no way it's going to happen to me. and if it did, it's probably going to be mild. and here we are, now almost four months later, and that wasn't the case. so, you know, it's not a joke. you know, you could get unlucky. you could get lucky. but, either way, it's better to be safe than sorry. >> and i mean, you're out of the hospital. are you -- is recovery a long process, from here on? >> it's still a continuing process, for sure. but it was definitely a blessing and a miracle that i made it through. given everything my family said i went through. >> looking at this video of you being wheeled out of the hospital and they are all applauding and cheering for you. i mean, what a feeling that must
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have been. >> yeah. it was -- i heard about it being done, for other covid patients, too. but to go through it, myself, was definitely a unique experience. and, again, you know, it just made it -- just made it more serious. like, that so many people have died from this virus. and it's -- it's a thing to celebrate when people do recover. >> you know, chris and crystal, you give hope to a lot of people out there whose -- you know, someone, tonight, might be watching this whose loved one is in the hospital somewhere in this country or somewhere around the world and you give them hope. and, you know, if you can make it out, after 132 days, i mean, that is -- that's just inspiring for -- for -- for all of us. i'm so happy you're home. and i wish you the best, in the road ahead. >> thank you, anderson. >> all right. i would say stay strong but you don't need me to tell you that. you're way stronger than i'll ever be. so, all right. well, i wish you continued health. and i hope to see you again.
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major sections now look like moonscape. it's extraordinary, the effects of this blast. president trump, today, continued to indicate the blasts might have been intentional. he said, quote, perhaps it was an attack. just speculating. his own defense expert mark esper said he thinks it was an accident. >> george has come with a friend to see what they can salvage from the remains of his parents' apartment. which looked directly on to beirut's port. tuesday's blast turned it into a moonscape. a panorama of utter destruction. dried blood marks the spot where his mother was resting, in bed, when the explosion sent a wall slamming on top of her. she's still in hospital. this was his parents' retirement home. >> this is their -- their life. everything, they did here. look what happened. >> reporter: given the damage,
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they probably will never be able to move back. many neighbors were badly injured. others, killed. in addition to the dead and the wounded, many, many people have lost their homes. according to the governor of beirut, more than 300,000 people in the city have been made homeless. officials believe the blast emanated from a warehouse, filled with 2,750 metric tons of ammonium nitrate. sitting there, under lax security, for six years. the government has promised a quick, transparent investigation. yet, going back decades, lebanon has witnessed a series of high-profile assassinations and, rarely, if ever, has the truth emerged. >> this here, this crisis, for 20 years, talk about the investigation, it's never going to end.
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no conclusion. no results. >> and no confidence, among many here, that the truth will ever be known. >> it's so extraordinary, ben. and i mean, i know you felt the blast yourself, in the bureau. i can't believe as many as 300,000 people are homeless because of this. how are search-and-recovery efforts going? >> they're, pretty much, over, at this point. in terms of looking for people who may be alive, under the rubble. at this point, what we saw today were hundreds, if not thousands, of people, mostly young people, who flocked to the area around the port. to help to -- people who needed to remove their belongings from their damaged homes. to clean up the streets. to help shop owners sort things out. what was remarkable was that there wasn't much, in the way of government involvement. this was, very much, a community effort. and i think you may recall,
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anderson, when you were covering the aftermath of the assassination of former prime minister in february of 2015, how there is this community spirit that has -- is still, how there is this community spirit that is very much alive in lebanon despite decades of war and tumult and troubles for this country. but that spirit is still very much in evidence despite it all. >> that is a hopeful thing. it's a remarkable city. you know better than anybody, all that that city has been through for decades, it's extraordinary that they now have to deal with this. to see people coming out of it is amazing. ben with weedman. thank you very much. up next, president trump's latest attack in nevada. legislation to expand mail-in voting. i wanted to be able to provide a space for people, to spread the love and to support our community.
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than if we were to stand on our own. when i wake up in the morning, i'm black. throughout my day, i'm black. when i go to bed, i'm still black. you won't always know that i'm a police officer, because i'm not always at work. but you will always know that i am black. now it's time to make sure that there is change, because the world is watching.
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. more breaking news, president trump again assailing nevada for expanding mail-in voting. remarks to tonight arizona's republican governor, now he supports arizona's mail-in ballot plans but not nevada with a democratic governor. nevada's governor said the concerns had no basis in fact. all this coming after the trump campaign filed a lawsuit against
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nevada's legislation. back with me, dana bash and kaitlan collins. he attacks the mail-in voting in nevada, it won't work because pure, basic, beautiful intelligence. i have no idea what that means. with republican governors in florida, elsewhere, it's fine. could it be any more just nakedly political? >> no, it couldn't. it really is, in florida and in arizona, there are republican governors. that means there are republicans who he can trust to better control the situation. whatever that means. now, in nevada, there is a difference, to be fair. in how they have crafted their new law. i know you talked to the governor last night. anybody who's a registered voter will get a ballot. that is what the president in the white house now say they're complaining about in order to
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differentiate between that state which is a very important swing state and two others. also important. but are run by governors. >> kaitlyn, the president has already used the white house for political purposes, campaign speeches, attacking vice president biden from the podium. he said today he may give his convention speech from the white house. mark meadows tried to differentiate the president giving the speech from the oval office versus the residence or the east wing. i mean, the white house is the white house, no matter what wing it's in? >> and if you're doing it from the south lawn of the white house, where you very often see the president hold events for the white house. that doesn't help you make your distinction. it doesn't mean the president is going to be holding the speech from his bedroom in the white house residence, which is taxpayer funded. you saw the explanation after the president floated the idea, he seemed to say he may get criticism over it, and he did. even from republicans. john thune the second senate republican said he thought it
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would be illegal if the president did that, and you saw senator john cornet of texas raise questions about the legality of the president doing that. several others raising questions of the optics and doing that on federal property, maybe the most major political speech. mark meadows is trying to say, well, if you're over on the east wing, it's not as political as if you did it in the oval office, which no one had really floated the oval office. the idea is to do it on the south lawn. what it shows you is, they run out of venues, they've been thinking of for the president to give this speech. they want it to feel convention style, it seems they're not really sure where else they can hold it. >> there's a cnn film on the trail. it follows a number of reporters, embeds on the campaign trail as they cover the 2020 presidential elections. premiers tomorrow night on hbo max. what do we expect to see? >> you expect to see a bunch of the women that we work with, who have been out on the trail,
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particularly the younger women who are embedded and people like kaitlan, who covers the trump campaign in action. anderson, you know, i say this in a very complimentary ray much you're a road rat like we are, you love to be out there, you know how it feels and how different it is and important it is to be out. unfortunately the pandemic has changed everything. but how important it is to be with the voters, with the candidates and it really does a fantastic job of showing not just the people we see on the air like myself and kaitlyn, but the embeds who are eating, sleeping, breathing the campaign, sometimes on four planes a day. >> and often eating very poorly from my memory. >> eating very poorly. >> yes, it's amazing to see -- i mean, kaitlyn, and folks out there, especially really young -- the youngsters, i would
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just -- the grind of it is extraordinary, i really look ford to this. "on the trail" debuts thursday on hbo max. we look forward to that. as you just heard, they are several of the correspondents in "on the trail: inside the 2020 primaries," follows them as they report on the 2020 presidential primary. another programming note, don't miss full circle, gives us a chance to dig into in depth topics. streaming monday, tuesday and fridays at cnn.com/full circle. you can watch it there or any time on the cnn app or on demand. the news continues right now, i want to hand things over to chris for "cuomo prime time". >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time". the president has revealed to us his method for getting rid of
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