congress, putting out his own executive actions instead of working with congress. on the coronavirus we need to point out at one point he said we have a rapid increase only in cases. we have a rapid increase in deaths as well. thanks for breaking that down. thanks very much for watching. a fast paced hour. more with erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. outfront next the united states passing 5 million coronavirus cases as president trump says tonight, we're about to be in very, very good shape all over the country. plus nearly 500 students quarantined near atlanta after a school outbreak. you see the school. we're going to talk to a doctor about why he is sending his child back to school. and republican governor john kasich speaking next week at the dnc. what will his message be? he is my guest. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett "outfront" tonight the breaking news. president trump says the secret service was involved in a

shooting outside the white house. you the scare coming just as the president was beginning his coronavirus briefing moments ago. >> it looks like just about going to be topping records hopefully soon. excuse me? >> what's happening? >> escorting him out of the room, ended up shooting the perpetrator is all we know at this point. the president then returned, continuing to talk about the administration's response to the deadly pandemic, which as of tonight is continuing to spread across the globe. tonight the world is closing in on a sobering new statistic, the number of known coronavirus cases across the globe about to hit 20 million. one-quarter of them in the united states. yet, just moments ago the president says we're about to be in very, very good shape. >> i do want to say that i think at the end of a fairly short

period of time you're going to be in very, very good shape all over our country. >> he says that this country is going to be in very, very good shape. across the country. but listen to what the top experts today said at the world health organization. again, same day that he said that. >> this virus is proving exceptionally difficult to stop. >> we know that if the virus has an opportunity to spread, it will. and it hasn't gone away. >> and the president has continued to give the virus the opportunity to spread. listen to his response when questioned why there were people at his new jersey golf club not wearing masks when gathered to hear him speak. >> this is a political activity. you're wrong on that. they have exceptions. political activity. it is also a peaceful protest. >> he says that they don't have to wear masks. never mind that they should. they could be putting their

lives or others at risk. they do have to wear them. the executive order from the new jersey governor states, whereas all indoor gatherings whatever their nature must continue to utilize protective measures including use of masks and social distancing. so the president was not only encouraging people to go against public health officials but to break the law in the state he was in. the president also again saying something wrong about the more than 5 million american known coronavirus cases. >> because we're so far ahead of testing we have more cases. if we had much smaller testing we'd have fewer. >> okay. again, here we go again. it is just not right. testing does not change the number of people who have coronavirus. that is obviously an absurd thing to say. it only changes the number that we know about. of course the growth in cases has far out paced any growth in testing. simply put the virus spread has accelerated and the president has not only created confusion about the virus but also about what washington will do to help the hundreds of millions reeling economically from it. trump tries to take credit for

an executive order that bypassed congress, even republicans crying foul tonight. republican senator ben sass among others came out today and called trump's executive actions on the payroll tax, quote, un-constitutional slop. jeremy diamond is outfront live at the white house to begin our coverage. i want to start with that moment i began the program explaining you were in the briefing room, the president was escorted out. which is obviously just to make the point here it just doesn't happen. that is a very, very unusual thing. and then he came back in. what happened? >> reporter: yeah, it was really a remarkable moment and one that as you said does not happen often. it's very rare for the president to be escorted out in any kind of circumstance, but that is exactly what happened here. you had a secret service agent come over to the president while he was speaking at the podium right behind me and he said, sir, we're just going to have to step outside and the president seemed to not understand at first and the secret service agent repeated, step outside. the president was then according to him taken to the oval office

where he was for about eight and a half minutes until he returned here to the briefing room. i did ask the president whether he was taken to the underground bunker under the white house because that is where he was taken for example when there were those protests in lafayette park. the president told me that he was not taken to the bunker. he was instead taken to the oval office. we also know some of the white house aides were rushed down stairs. certainly this entire area was locked down. we typically are able to go from outside this briefing room over to our live shot position outside. we are still locked down inside of the white house building, itself. as for the situation that happened with this shooting, details are scant as of now. but the president did say that it appears that a secret service officer shot this suspect. our photo journalist peter morris actually heard one shot while he was standing outside. it appears this incident happened about a half block from

here at 17th and pennsylvania avenue, which is just outside of the white house perimeter. but certainly this is an unusual incident. we're still waiting to get details. the secret service has at least confirmed there was an officer involved shooting and we do understand that as of now one person has been taken to the hospital. so we're still waiting to get some more details. the president certainly after 8 1/2 minutes being outside came back in and then went on to go on and take questions on a whole host of news of day items. >> thank you very much, jeremy. i want to let our viewers know as we find out more we'll let you know through the hour. it is extremely unusual for them to have a single shooter anywhere near the fact that they took him out, that they did this, so if we get more information i'm going to go straut to it and bring it to you. in the meantime i want to go to dr. sanjay gupta and dr. larry brilliant epidemiologist who helped eradicate small pox. i want to talk about vaccines. first, sanjay, i mentioned the

number of cases. we are hitting this 20 million cases globally 5 million in the united states. i just did a quick back of the envelope and there are at least ten additional cases for every single one we know about that is only 2.6% of the world population actually infected. it may be higher. it's tiny. dr. fauci said the other day we got to get to 50% to 75% if you even think there is herd immunity. when you look at it that way, gosh, are we in for a really, really long haul? >> well, you know, there's obviously countries around the world that have not had the sort of virus spread that we've had in the united states. so, you know, we can curb these numbers or slow down this trajectory of growth without the vaccine. but i think if the question is, look. we just have to get to herd immunity through natural infection, that would be a long haul. it would take a long time. that is not the way to go. a lot of people would get sick. a lot of people would die in order for that to happen. it would take a long time,

probably four or five years to get to herd immunity. that is why the vaccine or some of the therapeutics we're talking about like convelescent serum are so important. when i look at numbers like that, erin, that means there are a lot more people out there that can still become infected. people have looked at this like a hurricane. it comes for a few days and then it's gone. this is a storm of sorts but the time frame is totally different here. >> when you talk four to five years i think people should understand the economic destruction that would come with letting it go would be beyond anything anybody can comprehend. dr. brilliant, in terms of what we do to mitigate it in the meantime this weekend large crowds, you know, the motorcycle rally that we covered in south dakota was one. then there was a gathering in chicago, the city's mayor posted this. and then the european center of disease and prevention control says there is a true resurgence their words in several countries across europe. so when you look at all these things, do you think we're about

to see another surge overall, or is that too negative? >> thanks for having me, erin. we're all really glad that nothing happened to the president and no one was harmed inside the white house. this could have been who knows what this might have been. you know, we just heard from w.h.o., a series of press releases over the last week reminding us that this is the worst pandemic in our lifetimes perhaps the worst pandemic in five or ten generations. it is a wiley virus for one that doesn't have a brain. it seems to be out smarting us at every corner. it is a terrible disease. in the midst of these historically bad numbers that we're seeing, 20 million cases in the world, almost 3/4 of a million deaths worldwide, to have a gathering of 250,000 people is just -- it boggles the mind. not the motorcycles. many of us have had a love affair with motorcycles. but these 250,000 people rode

those motorcycles from over 50 states, from all over. and we just hope they're not going to bring souvenirs back they hadn't expected and ignite outbreaks again everywhere in the country. >> you know, sanjay, the president recently said he is optimistic a vaccine would be ready around election day. and obviously i think we've all come to realize it is going to need more than one vaccine and it may be certain levels of effectiveness, right? you might have a vaccine that is not that effective but on top of your other treatments, this isn't just a sudden thing. but for people who are hoping that it is, cnn obtained data from moderna, which we know is the company in the u.s. really that seems to be furthest along in the vaccine development process and it appears to show that is not true, that they are not on track for a vaccine ready to go by election day. is there any way the president is right on this? >> i really don't think so. i mean, everybody wants a vaccine. you're right. it is not a switch when we do get the vaccine that everything, you know, suddenly goes back to normal regardless.

aside from that, this just doesn't make sense. there's two shots involve. they may get to their number of people they need in their trial by the end of september/early october. that means that it would be the end of october before you'd even get the two shots and then you have to obviously follow these patients for a period of time. the data has to be analyzed. it just doesn't make sense in terms of just the time. i will notice as well, i will note as well, erin, in the press conference today the president did sort of change his language a bit and say now by the end of the year again. so he said that a couple times. i made note of that. maybe he's realized or his experts have told him. as much as we want the vaccine that is too accelerated. >> dr. brilliant, when you look at history, right, and what you know about small pox as past precedent, is there any vaccine that would be a switch over the next six, eight months, or is that, you know, people who hope that need to really realign

their expectations? >> no, i think that when you get a vaccine you don't get rainbows and unicorns. you get a vaccination campaign. we had a vaccine against small pox for 200 years before we eradicated it. we had a vaccine against polio for 70 years before we got this close. it is going to be a lot of work. it is going to be jeeps and ice containers going into 200 different countries trying to push this vaccine back to where it came from. we need to be prepared for something like that. it doesn't mean the world is going to end. we will figure out a way to live with this virus, but we can't let it get so far ahead of us that we'll never catch up. >> sanjay, as yerm sajeremy sai president talked about various things, russian meddling, china and also was asked about his consideration of an executive order to require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions.

why one would need that order when that is what obama care does is the question. here is the exchange. >> why do you need to issue an executive order for a law already -- >> i said as an executive order. as you said, i said as an executive order it hasn't been done before. we want to be able to assure people that pre-existing condition is always taken care of. >> why do you need to do an executive order if it is already part of the law? >> just a double safety net and let the people know the republicans are totally, strongly in favor of pre-existing condition, taking care of people with pre-existing conditions. >> sanjay, can you just from a medical point of view -- is there any answer? he is basically saying, well sure. there is something that passed congress but i'm going to do it by executive order because no one did it by executive order before. would there be any point to this? >> i don't think so, erin. i listened to that very closely. i've been covering the story of obama care for 11 years.

you know, the pre-existing conditions. we can show you the exact language up on the health and human services website. it basically mandates that insurance companies not charge anybody anything more because of pre-existing conditions. that's been the law of the land for sometime. i'm not sure a double safety net means in this sort of case. it is true the individual mandate is something that was repealed and that's an important part of the affordable care act overall. but the pre-existing conditions, which is, you know, frankly helped a lot of people get health care insurance and otherwise wouldn't have is still the law of the land. it exists, which is, you know, i think a good thing and what the president is saying as well. this is a good thing. i'll double safety net it. i'm not sure what that means. >> a nonsensical thing to say. thank you both. next, hundreds of students quarantined in the atlanta area after a covid outbreak. so what does this mean for kids going back to school? i'll speak to a doctor who has made the choice to send his daughter back.

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breaking news. there has been a 90% increase in the number of coronavirus cases among american children over the past four weeks according to a new report which now says children represent 9% of all reported cases. in states that report by age. this comes as thousands of students are returning to the classroom. athena jones is out front. >> just act like the virus isn't there and we kind of go for it and tough it out, it won't work. >> reporter: public health experts warned this would happen. now it has. schools in states with high rates of covid-19 infections opening up too quickly without the proper precautions and suffering the consequences as new cases pile up. the georgia high school made famous in this viral photo now temporarily closed after nine students or employees tested positive. the school where masks are not required holding classes remotely while it undergoes deep cleaning.

at least 16 schools in cherokee county, georgia, have reported covid cases among students or staff, underlining the challenge of holding in-person classes in a state with the highest number of covid cases per capita in the country. >> the reason all this is happening is because we haven't controlled the virus spread in the community. >> reporter: the lack of a mask mandate in most georgia schools and concerns about crowding prompting fear among teachers and families. >> i have over 200 e-mails over the course of less than 48 hours from teachers, students, parents, staff members at school all with really the same message, that schools in georgia are not prepared to go back to face-to-face instruction right now. >> reporter: the trouble with schools coming as the american academy of pediatrics and the children's hospital association say nearly 100,000 children in the u.s. tested positive for covid in just the last two weeks

of july. with positive tufty rates rising in 35 states compared to last week there are new concerns in places like idaho, illinois, and indiana where chicago's mayor tweeted this image of a crowded beach. in california cnn affiliate kabc captured tense moments outside a church holding an indoor service sunday in defiance of a judge's order. average daily deaths nationwide have topped a thousand for the past two weeks and several states are seeing record hospitalizations. meanwhile, college football is hanging in the balance. multiple sports outlets reporting leaders of the power five sports conferences are in discussions about postponing the season due to covid concerns, a move the mid american conference announced over the weekend. >> this was a crushing decision to be made by our membership. it was a decision that was made based on the advice of our medical experts. >> reporter: there is one more thing about covid-19 in children. new cdc data shows that hispanic children are eight times more

likely to be hospitalized with covid complications than white children and black children are five times more likely to be hospitalized than white children one expert saying testing and prevention resources must be focused in the high risk communities. >> thank you very much. i want to go now to dr. the chairman of the pediatric department at nyu winthrop hospital on long island and the chief of the pediatric infectious diseases division. doctor, you deal with infectious disease, you deal with children. you've treated children with coronavirus some of them extremely ill, respiratory issues as severe as adults. you've treated children who have the multi system inflammatory syndrome that has been so toxic. yet you have a 10-year-old daughter entering fifth grade and knowing all this, going through all of the pluses and minuses, you've decided to let her go back to school. so you know more than almost any parent watching. what led you to make that choice? >> thank you, erin. thank you for giving me this opportunity to discuss this. i think it certainly is not an

easy decision, and i won't say it didn't come with a lot of angst on our part. but i think in contrast to some of the information you were just showing in other areas in the country, that here where we are in new york where the virus levels, the infection rates are quite low, and with emphasis on a program or a school plan to minimize, you can't totally eliminate, unfortunately, the risk for covid infection, balanced against the benefits of school, the impacts that have been so negative on our children from home schooling, lack of any social or minimal social interactions, the mental health benefits that, unfortunately, it is looking at the whole picture not just a, we're totally safe and we can move on with our lives. we're far from that. i think if with the precautions in place, with monitoring,

realizing we may have to back track, but hopefully being in a different situation with low rates of infection and strong adherence to developing policies, to minimize the risk, we can do this as safely as possible. >> all right. so when we were looking at those numbers, you know, 97,000 children testing positive in the past two weeks of july, you know, we've seen the big surge. we don't know how many of them will get very sick. we don't yet know their role in transmission. we know young children can have multiples of the, more of the virus in their noses than adults but we don't know what that means. we have been told in one study that children the age of your daughter, 10 years old and older, can spread the virus just as effectively as adults. right? so they can both get sick and spread and now you've got almost 10% of cases as children. so as you look at where this is going, you know, what are the factors that you look at and say, okay. if this changes i change my mind. not just positivity in your state right which is now at 1%.

i know new york city public schools says if it goes to 3% everyone goes home. aside from positivity what else are you watching that would make you say i'm changing my mind? >> one, how are the procedures really being implemented? are masks feasible? are small class sizes, distancing protocols working? are symptom checks being done? because you're right. we're not going to wait for testing or knowing what rates go even regionally never mind in the state but are we seeing more absences with even mild respiratory illness? i think it is looking at all of those in conjunction with the protocols in place that are going to impact whether we need to change our decisions. >> i appreciate your time and you sharing it with us. i know like i said there's a lot of people watching who, you know, really want to hear what you have to say on this as they face the tough decision. thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. and i think -- don't be the weak

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tonight troubling new signs about the long-term effects of coronavirus. 21-year-old spencer roll ison had only mild symptoms when he had coronavirus back in may and recovered and returned to work after testing negative. two weeks later he was rushed to icu and learned he had multi organ failure. fortunately spencer survived and is joining me tonight to share his story so that hopefully others can hear and learn. spencer, i know originally this started in may and you had a mild case and got well quickly. what did you think initially when you got it, found out you had it and bounced back so quickly? >> so at first i didn't think too much about it.

i figured it was just any other flu or cold. i had symptoms for a few days and it went away after a couple weeks and i was fine after that so i thought. >> so you thought. all right. so then how soon did you go from being better and then i know you even tested negative. and then all of a sudden you knew something was really, really wrong. >> yes. so about a week and a half, two weeks later, i started feeling bad on -- it was a thursday. i went to work and i work outside. just because it was raining i was trying to keep myself dry and throughout the day it stopped raining like 97, 98 degrees outside. i ended up taking the jacket off and i was still freezing. i knew something wasn't right. i had to go home and ended up going to med fast and trying to

figure out what was going on. they sent me home with an biotic at first. >> they sent you home with an biotic and then what happens? because you go to the icu and just absolutely terrifying thing of multiple organ failure. >> i ended up going to med fast, the e.r., actually the e.r. in waterford lakes. i told them i had a fever of 103.4. they started doing blood work. they did a chest x-ray, ct scan. and everything came back clear. they had no idea what was going on. and two days later is when i ended up in the icu. and that is when everything started shutting down. so in that two days, my body rapidly declined. >> it is incredible, spencer. we're so glad you are okay. do they know what happened? do they know whether that was the coronavirus or related to

the coronavirus or obviously you were otherwise a healthy 21-year-old. >> yes. i have had no health issues before. they are telling me my body was trying to fight off the coronavirus and went into hyperactive mode and eventually started attacking my own body and that led to the sepsis and septic shock and all that. >> i understand that -- you look fine but i know you are still recovering in some ways. doctors are monitoring your heart, blood pressure medications. you've got to avoid a high heart rate. when you think about what you did working outside in the heat i know these are things now that are life changing for you. do you have any sense of how long this will continue or is it possibly, or are the doctors telling you they just don't know? >> so they don't know exactly right now. they told me ail be on these medications for the next year or two. i am actually going to a cardiologist on wednesday to find out if my heart has gone

back to normal at all. they had a heart monitor on me for a while. i haven't gotten any word back on it yet. i guess they just haven't gotten back to me. but that's all i know right now. >> i wish you the best with that appointment. spencer, there are so many people in your case, young people, i'm not saying they all think this is a joke but they're being social. they don't think it is going to affect them. we all know it. we all see them out and about. what do you say to some of them when you think about what happened to you? you were fine. you got better. then something awful happened that has changed your life. >> so i'm healthy and young. no prior health issues. all i have to say is just because you're young doesn't mean it won't affect you. i never thought at 21 i would be on the verge of death. it almost took my life a month ago. so it is not something to play around with. just be safe. wear your masks.

wash your hands. i can't urge it enough. >> i hope people listen. i know it takes courage to come out and tell the story. i hope that appointment goes well. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> i want to bring in dr. jonathan reiner now director of the cardiac katherine lab at gw who advised the white house medical unit under president george w. bush. when you hear spencer's story, mild case, everything is fine, doctors now think and are telling him his immune system went into overdrive and basically attacked itself. it was going to kill him. he ends up back in the hospital. 21 years old. no preexisting conditions. still almost died. when he was technically better testing negative. what do you make of that? >> this is an unpredictable illness and the best advice is not to get it. the best advice is to protect yourself and your community. take all the precautions that we talk about here every single night. wear masks, social distance, stay out of crowds. don't go to bars. do all those good things.

look, we're learning about this new disease and it is a new disease in real time. and never in my professional career have i seen such a new disease affect so many people in such a short period of time. you know, the most sort of simil similar constellation of diseases i think we saw after 9/11 when the first responders on the pile at ground zero started to develop a constellation of cancers, auto immune diseases, and things like that in the months and years following and we learned from their experiences. and this coronavirus is sort of similar but on a much higher level. it's unpredictable. although you would say a 21-year-old should breeze through this, it doesn't always happen. a 21-year-old can die from this. actually anyone can die from

this. much less likely in the young. much more common in the elderly. it is a very unpredictable and supremely lethal disease in some people. >> just hearing his story i think gives a lot of people -- i hope it gives a lot of people pause when they think about their recent behavior. look, a recent study in the journal of the american medical association because i know that you obviously as a cardiologist found that 78% of patients who had recovered from coronavirus had some kind of cardiac abnormality, and we're not just talking about the people who were really sick, right? we're talking about the people who two-thirds of the patients in that study, two-thirds, had mild or no symptoms at all. basically they weren't sick from coronavirus. they might not have even known they had it. now they have this cardiac abnormality that we don't know if it is temporary or long term or what it could mean. how concerned are you about the long term effects of the virus on the heart? >> i'm concerned. there are actually two studies

in that same issue. one was the study that used mri and very sensitive blood tests to detect inflammation in the heart and they found it in as you said about 78% of patients. they also published an autopsy study in obviously less fortunate people that contracted the virus that showed evidence in almost two-thirds of people who had died. time will tell. i think most people will recover. i think most people will not have important cardiac repercussions but some will. we're only six months into our experience with this. we'll have to see as we go forward. >> dr. reiner, thank you. >> my pleasure. next, former republican presidential daut john kasich will address democrats at their convention. he joins me to tell you why. and issues at the u.s. postal service which democrats are calling sabotage. could these issues impact the election and mail-in ballots?

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tonight one of the headline speakers during next week's dnc will be a republican, former ohio governor and current cnn senior political commentator john kasich will give a speech to make the case for joe biden. governor kasich is now outfront. governor, i appreciate your time. so last time around obviously you didn't support donald trump. you wrote in another republican, john mccain, for president. which is a far cry from actually supporting the democratic candidate for president. you were anti-trump but not taking that extra step. what changed? >> conscience, erin. the reason i didn't support trump the last time is i was afraid that he would be a divider and not a unifier and our best leaders have been unifiers, republicans and democrats. but, unfortunately, as i've watched him over the last three and a half years now, he's continued to do that. i don't think the country does well when we're divided. and so i had to search my

conscience. when the democrats asked me to speak i had to think about it. i believe we need a new direction. we just can't keep going the way that we're going because i know historically and i served in the congress. i was governor. what i've known is that when people work together, remarkable and good things can happen. but when we constantly are divided, when we can't work together, you know, we can see what's happening when we look at washington even today. so it was necessary to do this, and i felt it's the right thing to do and i would encourage other republicans to know that it is okay to take off a partisan hat, take off your partisan hat and vote on the basis of what your conscience tells you about the future of our country not just for yourself but for your kids as well. >> you are a moderate, right? you are not someone who represents the progressive wing of the democratic party which is hugely influential right now. yet you are comfortable with joe biden. why is that? what has made you come to the conclusion? >> first of all, i am a conservative which is the interesting thing.

why would i say that? well i was the chairman of the budget committee when we balanced the budget in washington. we ran surpluses for a number of years and surpluses and over here in ohio we fixed the state and cut taxes and grew almost half a million jobs and left almost 3 billion in the rainy day fund for the governor we have now. so i am conservative. people say he really is not. yes i have been. i believe biden can bring us together. i'll disagree with joe on things and they expected that when they asked me to do this. i said yeah there are things i'll disagree with biden on. there are things i'm concerned about. at the end of the day i think he is a man of faith. i think he is a man, look, his history has been an ability to bring people together. that is the way it was when i was in congress when we balanced the budget, were able to do welfare reform. and i think he can restore civility and i don't think he'll go hard left. i think he is a pretty tough guy. so i'm comfortable with the fact that he would be our leader. and i expect he'll have

republicans that will be part of anything he does going forward. that's the way -- that is his nature and has been history. and he is a man of deep faith and a man that has suffered some tremendous grief that has shaped his character. all some of the things i will talk about in my speech. >> so, you know, what your a he doing is going to stand out. and it has when it has happened before. i'm thinking of zelle miller then democratic who spoke for president bush at the rnc 2004. then joe lieberman who was an independent but caucused with the democrats and in 2008 spoke at the rnc and supported john mccain. they both became persona nongrata in their party. they were blackballed. are you worried the same could happen to you? >> i think i have a right to define what it means to be a conservative and that means a government when necessary not opposed to it that what the conservative movement ought to be is opportunity for everyone. the republican party ought to be a party that has a positive message of lifting everyone.

but, you know, erin, look. leaders walk a lonely road. if you're not prepared to walk a lonely road and do the things that your conscience tells you to do, then how do you think about yourself when you look in the mirror? i'm comfortable with the decisions i make. of course there's blowback. republicans are critical. some are praising me. democrats are debating themselves. should he be able to do this? but this is not an unusual place for me to be. i've been a reformer almost all of my life. i've been very independent. i'm a republican but the republican party has always been my vehicle but never my master. you have to do what you think is right in your heart and i'm comfortable here. >> so southern baptist minister, he is ordained, mike huckabee said the other day in part, i don't know if anybody, people of faith who think joe biden is a great choice. i tell you they're not going to go with biden. that's not an option. what do you say? >> well, i'm clued into a lot of people of faith. a number of them.

who are very happy that i'm making this decision. i can give you names. i don't want to say it on the air but i can give you names of them if we have to come back and do that. and the fact is, you know, the faith is a matter of your personal relationship. and so i don't know why that's been said about joe. i think he is a man of faith. i don't sit down and talk about all of his religion with him. but i'm comfortable with him. like i say, i consider myself to be a man of faith. a flawed man of faith for sure but aren't we all? so i don't think anybody can speak for the entire faith community and try to say that this person is good and that person isn't. a lot of people scratch their heads about why some of these very conservative evangelicals support trump. it seems not to be consistent with the things that they believe in. as promoted in the old and new testament. >> right. thank you very much, governor kasich. i appreciate your time and of course going to be speaking next

week at the convention for joe biden. and, look. we still don't know who is going to be appearing with joe biden there. we do not know who his vice presidential pick is. for now special adviser to president obama, van jones. so, van, you and other prominent male african-american leaders including sean diddy combs released a letter to joe biden today and urged him to pick an african-american woman as vp and in part your letter reads, quote, failing to select a black woman in 2020 means you will lose the election. do you believe it is that clear that biden will lose with a woman who is not black? >> i think it is going to be very hard for him to win without that because first of all, we're relying on the african-american female vote in the democratic party to come out. not 80%. not 90%. but 98%, almost unanimity. once again, to try and save this party. and yet no african-american woman for whatever reason has been given the opportunity to help to lead the party.

so they can save the party but they can't lead it. that doesn't make any sense. you also now have whatever the criteria is, there is an african-american woman who meets it. if you're talking about having served well in the senate, you've got kamala harris, talking about having served well in congress. you've got karen bass. you're talking about having served well at a local level. you have mayor keisha down there in atlanta. if you're talking about somebody who's been part of law enforcement, a critic of law enforcement. you now have six, seven african-american women who are ready to serve. the executive branch. susan rice. they are ready. you've got the people who are there. the ability and so the question then becomes and there is -- not like there is a rock star from some other demographic that you can point to and so if there is -- this is not the time to do it, i don't know when the time to do it is. >> jim clyburn so instrumental

to joe biden when people thought his campaign was done in south carolina, his huge comeback. he's basically said to me it would be a plus, not a must to pick a black women. do the vetting in the polling but ultimately go with your head and heart. we were supposed to hear last week. we haven't heard yet. seems like joe biden is really struggling to make this final decision. the only woman we know biden has met with about the v.p. spot is the governor of michigan gretchen whitmer. she is white. can you see a scenario where joe biden picks governor whitmer and if so, what would you say? >> look, she's a great leader and she's a rising star in our party. the rational for doing that, managing would be she can appeal in the midwest to maybe suburban swing voting in swing counties. the problem you have is that we're going down the same road

in 2016 where the party can assume they take the black party and latino party for granted and give us literally an all white ticket again and expect people to crawl through broken glass and the pan dedemic and stand i line and vote for somebody. there is no excitement there. is gretchen a great leader? 100%. she might be a great president some day but there are black women who are equally capable, equally competent and can deliver a bigger bang for the buck than she is for her to become the front runner passing over these women as a problem. >> all right. van, appreciate your time. and your thoughts. thank you. >> thank you. and next, problems tonight with mail not being deliver in many states. could sweeping changes from a major trump donor impact mail in ballots? special report next. ta-da!

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tonight, new concerns changes in the post office could raise serious concerns. pete is "outfront". >> reporter: the postal service slogan might be we deliver, but it's not what reality appears to be. >> we're having trucks leave our buildings with zero mail on the trucks. >> reporter: for nick who head as postal worker union in philadelphia, the mail is moving too slow. >> my union reps call me throughout the night, in the morning saying nick, the mail is all over the place. we're just not getting it out. >> reporter: in 35 years with the united states postal service, he says he's never seen issues this severe. the new changes have democrats worried that slow mail could slow mail in ballots. crucial in an election year overshadowed by the pandemic. >> we're not providing the

service we provided when appointed to postmaster general. >> reporter: in june, the first postmaster general in two decades with no postal experience. it is his newly implemented changes like eliminating over time and ending extra trips by carriers hi sae says are causin delays nationwide. in baltimore, people waited two hours in hopes of getting their mail that never showed up. >> i'm waiting an unemployment, a card and it's not showing up so yeah, should be here today but it should have been here a week ago, too so i don't really know. >> reporter: mail delays are reported from minnesota to north carolina and in philadelphia. >> a lot of them were bills and want to charge you late charges. >> we've missed six collection days in the last four weeks, which means they are not delivering, they are not collecting. it's a problem.

medicines aren't being delivered. bills aren't going out in the mail. >> reporter: james mayo says the problem got so bad he called his congressman and he's not the only one. >> people are calling us are raising concerns about the mail system. >> reporter: house democrat quite evans and 80 other members of congress wrote dejoy demanding the postal service not reduce mail delivery hours. dejoy denies any intentional slowdown is taking place. >> we're not slowing down election mail or any mail. >> reporter: postal carriers live by the motto neither rain or snow and politics will keep those like james mayo waiting on the mail. >> both sides of the aisle need to look at this. they need to fund the postal service properly so these guys can go back to work. >> reporter: in speed of this, president trump continues to support dejoy's changes calling

mail in voting a catastrophe and the squeeze being put on the postal service. dejoy has to face a hearing and answer to the mail delays but not until september 18th. erin. >> pete, thank you very much. thanks to all of you. anderson starts now. good evening and husband news conference and the secret service agent came to the podium and the president exited. here is the exchange. >> it looks like they will be topping workers hopefully soon. excuse me? >> talking with a reporter in the room, president trump did resume the briefing and continued to portray the virus is under