the squeeze being put on the postal service. dejoy has to face a hearing and answer to the mail delays but not until september 18th. erin. >> pete, thank you very much. thanks to all of you. anderson starts now. good evening and husband news conference and the secret service agent came to the podium and the president exited. here is the exchange. >> it looks like they will be topping workers hopefully soon. excuse me? >> talking with a reporter in the room, president trump did resume the briefing and continued to portray the virus is under control, which it clearly is not ex spoke about

the executive actions he signed at his new jersey golf club over the weekend that keeping them honest don't do anything because there are so many hurdles and c cavea caveats, in a statement senator sass said what the president trump is doing amounts to rewriting ask serious doubt any would work as advertised. the executive order that says most states have to pay up to a quarter in the extra unemployment. one unemployment expert told cnn the building of the system could take months. in terms of secretary steven mnuchin said it would happen immediately and larry kudlow said weeks and when kaley said i can't pinpoint a time.

with the confusion of getting money to the people who need it. it doesn't do anything to reinstate the previous moratorium on evictions that lapsed in july or state or local budgets or schools. tonight we'll talk to the aunt of two students who caught the disease at an atlanta area high school, the school that's suspended then suspended the suspension of a student for posting a picture shared widely online. showing few people wearing masks or social distancing. nine staff and students have contracted the virus now and in a moment, we'll talk to a doctor with the american academy of pediatri pediatrics. their report. 90% of children over a four-week period. 180,000 new child cases. the president was asked about that today and here is what he said. >> does that give you any pause about schools reopening for in person learning? >> no, because a case may be a case but also a case where it's

a tiny fraction of death, tiny fraction, and they get better very quickly. >> so you believe that children are essentially immune? >> i think for the most part they do well. they don't get very sick. they don't get very sick. according to the people i spoke to, transparent to other people. >> he says today the other time. >> children are almost definitely almost immune to this disease. some doctors say they are totally tough the news will say he shouldn't have used that word. the fact is they are virtually

immune to the problem. >> if you look at children, they are able to throw it off easily and it's an amazing thing. the children obviously have a very strong immune system. maybe even as strong as yours. they seem to be able to fight it off and not have a problem and again, children whether it's the immune system, i guess. i was watching you one night and you said immune system. whatever it is, they are a lot stronger than we are because it just doesn't have an impact. doesn't have almost any impact. so they do say that they don't transmit easily and a lot of people are saying they don't transmit and we're looking at that. they don't catch it easily. they don't bring it home easily and if they catch it, they get better fast. >> we'll have more on the contents of the briefing. first want to discuss what we mentioned that provoked a firm response from the white house security inside and out. here is the moment again from the briefing room. >> it looks like they are going to be topping records hopefully

soon. excuse me? >> jeff mason is the white house correspondent for reuters. can you describe what you saw? >> sure, anderson, right before the moment you just played, my seat, the reuters seat in the briefing room was right across the from the doors and i looked over and saw a secret service agent locked the door, which is very unusual obviously and shortly after that you saw the agent come up to the president and interrupt him. he had been briefing for all of maybe two or three minutes and obviously seen little startles the secret service agent and journalist and walked out with him and the doors sort of right behind here. he went into the oval office,

stayed for a few minutes and came back and continued the briefing. at that point, he actually seemed to enjoy sort of the live drama of it and told us what had happened and what he had been briefed on that someone had been shot outside the white house grounds but that person had been taken to the hospital. >> i mean, it seems like there was a big response from security forces on the ground at the white house. what is the protocol when something like this happens? >> well, number one, they sort of put everyone on lockdown. the red poporters here were nee to stay inside the briefing room and others inside the white house complex would have had to stay where they were and were not allowed to leave. i didn't get a good look outside of what was happening so i can't really tell you in terms of the response there, but i can tell you the secret service issued a statement saying there had been an officer involved shooting at the corner or at pennsylvania avenue and 17th. that is roughly a block from

where we are right here. the president during the briefing had said that the -- pardon me, that the shooting had occurred basically at the fence that goes around the complex of the white house. in any case, whether it was right at the fence or whether it was at that intersection, it was very close and it was close enough to have the secret service concerned about the president's safety. >> i should point out, the secret service just tweeted out a secret service officer and a male suspect were both transf transferred to a local hospital and they also went on to say that -- they said at no time was the white house complex breached or was the president in danger. >> the president made a point of saying it had not been breached but nonetheless it was pretty unusual that the secret service decided they weren't comfortable with him remaining at the podium and that must be a decision that you make in the middle of a situation that is moving very quickly and that is dangerous. >> yeah. and so was the press core told

to stay in the room? >> well, we weren't really told anything but we weren't able to get out of the room because as i said before, they locked the doors. and then your reporters' instinct to look outside the windows and my photographer colleagues were taking pictures outside the windows. there were some people outside already when this happened and at least some of them heard the shooting and heard one or two gunshots and were able to report on that. >> yeah, jaef meff mason, appre it. more on what president trump said after the briefing resumed. dana bash joins us. dana, the president brought up more potential tax cuts in the briefing. what are you learning? >> that the president is saying as many things as he can that he thinks our palatable to people who are even potentially considering voting for him for reelection. he talked about middle class tax cuts. he talked about capital gains

tax cuts. it was really unclear, i mean, he suggested they will try to get those into any piece of legislation that has been stalled for many, many weeks. it's really hard to imagine that that will get in there when there are really, really important issues that are directly related to the pandemic. this is classic donald trump and it is frankly classic somebody who is up for reelection just trying to figure out anything that will work because they are very low in the polls. the other thing he said, anderson, he's thinking about doing an executive order to make sure preexisting conditions are the law of the land. preexisting conditions making sure that nobody loses insurance because they are preexisting condition is the law of the land. it's called obamacare. he even said out loud anderson that when he was questioned about that, well, we're going to do it to be doubly safe. it a signal to the people.

so he's, again, saying out loud i'm just saying these things that i'm going to do these things because i'm hoping that people will take it as evidence that i'm trying to help them, never mind the reality of the fact in this case it's already the law of the land. >> right, which they are trying to turnover in the courts. >> and then there is that. >> the president -- you have republicans, you know, senator ben sasse saying it's unconstitutional slop. is it clear how this works despite criticizing president obama for these orders, this president relied on executive orders to make it look like he's doing stuff. how would this work, exactly? >> we don't know. we don't know the answer. i interviewed larry ckudlow yesterday morning and he didn't seem to have any answers, other advisors didn't have answers and the reason is because they did it very quickly and it was largely a tactic to get the

negotiations which are completely at an impasse to do it the right way legislatively to get them going again. having said that, this is something that the president said he was going to do, which is not just causing democrats to criticize him as you suggested but republicans. the president then went back after ben sasse who is a republican from nebraska. sasse put out a lengthy tweet and i'll read you part of the tweet. he said no president whether named obama or trump or biden or aoc has unilateral power to rewrite immigration law or to cut taxes or to raise taxes. this is because america doesn't have kings. this is probably the most consistent message that we've heard from any republican since they were saying the same thing about president obama but so far, ben sasse is the only one to speak out as clearly and forcefully to be that consistent. >> yeah.

>> on the republican side. >> sanjay, the president continues to talk about children. 180,000 tested positive for covid in the last four weeks. kids don't transmit the virus like everybody else to adults or anybody else and don't get in a way like other people do let alone obviously we know in general, the way they handle the virus is different. >> right, i mean, they -- the one thing they do seem less likely to be sick from this virus. so it is held up for the last six or seven months. they become infected.

and they certainly can transmit the virus and we know people talk about these studies a lot late lately and different age groups to spread the virus. what they said starting at age 10 you're starting to spread the virus like an adult. i talked to sources in korea, you should note children under the age of 10 didn't have large contacts. for 50,000 contacts, only 57 contacts were in children ages 0 to 9. and we know they largely and starting to be out and about more and more now over the last couple months. the schools but i think kids can

get infected. >> to that point the world health organization is starting to move into the population globally. do we know what that's attributed to? as kids are going to -- are no longer isolated and going out there, they are more likely to spread and/or get the virus and i guess testing and more wide spread and more kids are going to get tested. >> to be clear on this because it gets confused, the virus is out there. people are infected and testing is picking that up, testing don't pick it up. i can tell you from the personal experience talking to members from the american pediatrics association. it been hard for kids to get tests. you know, mostly tests are reserved for people who have some sort of symptoms and again;

kids are less likely to get symptomat symptomatic. that part is true. because they are thinking about going to school or sports, things like that, they are trying to get more tests. that could be contributing to the increase. also, you know, i do think it's just there's increased mobility among younger kids now and that's really i think contributing to this. if you look at the numbers in the united states, you've had as you mentioned close to, you know, almost doubling of the number of children now confirmed to be infected over the last month, just over the last month. that also tells you something. again, largely at home for a period of time and now out and about. >> yeah. sanjay, thanks so much. dana bash, as well. still to come, will there be a college football season? there may not be for big teams, ramifications. no matter the decision schools make, bob will be here to talk about it and top picks and when the announcement may come, more on that when we continue. try wayfair. you got this!

♪ ♪ perfect. -you're welcome. i love it. how'd you do all this? told ya! wayfair. let's talk dining tables. yes! blow it up. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ at the top of the program we mentioned a report for the children's hospital association about the sharp rise in coronavirus cases among children. president trump was asked about the report during his briefing. here is what he said. >> does that give you any pause about schools reopening for in person learning? >> no, because they may have, as you would call it a case, it may

be a case but it's also a case where there is a tiny, it's a tiny fraction of death, tiny fraction and they get better very quickly. >> so you believe that children are essentially immune? >> yeah, i think for the most part they do very well. they don't get very sick. they don't catch it easily. they don't get very sick and according to the people that i've spoken to, they don't transport it to other pop oeopl certainly not easy. >> american academy of pediatrics, his organization helped produce that report and dr. peter hotez at baylor college of medicine and working on a potential covid-19 vaccine. thanks for being with us. do we know why there is this 90% increase in the number of covid cases among kids in the last

four wok weeks? >> good question. one, remember in the pandemic we were only testing people with severe illness or being hospitalized, people in long-term care facilities so now as testing capacity is increased somewhat, of course, it varies by region, more children are able to get tested. so i think that's one thing. i also think there probably is some element of more children are getting infected than they were before with increased activity et cetera getting, you know, out and about more often and, you know, the other thing i would point out is what we're seeing in children is what is just reflecting what we're seeing in the rest of the country. when you see a lot more infections and that's what we're seeing. >> the president said kids are immune and not transmitting it, they have a hard time transmitting it to adults.

how concerning -- we talked about this with sanjay but factually, it's not the case. >> yeah. >> thanks. >> sorry, that was for dr. hotez. >> sorry. >> that's all right. >> what i'll just say is first of all, congratulations for putting out the academy of pediatrics and documents about covid-19 in children and really important and i'd like to just congratulate the doctor and his team by getting this out. yeah, i think they're responsible for a bit of transmission in the community. we heard from sanjay the south korea study, kids over the age of 10 but now we know the little kids from a pediatrics have loath lots of virus in their mouth and nose and if they aren't releasing as much, they are accounting for some transmission and the point is, anderson, we know what happens when we open up schools in communities where the virus is either accelerating or even if it's a plateau but at a very

high level. this is true across the south now. we seen what happens in georgia when we open up schools. there's lots of new cases and then the risk of course is to the older teachers, those with underlying conditions, hospital staff, bus drivers and teachers will get sick and this has happened in georgia and will happen in florida when florida schools open and in texas and other states with a lot of transmission and it will fail. it will fail catastrophically. so we still have come back to this problem over and over again where the white house will not lead a containment strategy especially for the states where there is lots of transmission and what they said simply won't happen, we cannot open schools safely and keep teachers safe. >> the president is saying kids don't get the virus as easily as the rest of us. i understand that kids -- what we do know and sanjay reiterated

this, is that kids may have it and be asymptomatic or more likely to be asymptomatic. that's known. they respond differently to the virus but the idea that do kids get it, is it -- can one say that kids, it's harder for kids to become infected in the first place? >> that science is still being worked out to be honest. it appears from some studies younger kids may be more likely. the number of children in the study infected was relatively small, right? so i think the science is still being worked out. the one thing i do want to point out, though, is that we -- it's not fair to say that this virus is completely b ly bely benign children. we had 90 deaths in children in the u.s. in just a few months, right? every year we worry about influenza in children and there are roughly around 100 deaths in children from influenza every year but when we look at, you

know, just the short segment that the small percentage overall of children that have been infected across the u.s., this is not -- we can't say that it's completely benign in children. yes, it's much less severe than it is in adults particularly older adults but we all have to take this vie sustainrus seriou including taking care of our children. >> to that point, does it -- do we know that kids -- i mean, is it fully known sort of any potential long-term effects that kids may have? i mean, obviously, we're all learning about this virus as we go and, you know, kids haven't had it as long as, may ei mean, only within around for six months. safe to say if they get it, there won't be a follow up effect down the road we don't know about? >> i mean, i think as you pointed out we're all learning about this virus every day, and we were already surprised by this multi inflammatory syndrome

in children where, you know, kids get very, very sick and that seems to happen two to four weeks after a covid infection. i think you've probably heard about the covid long haulers, the adults with long-term symptoms. we don't know if that's the case in children. there are anecdotally reports of children having lingering symptoms but there is a lot to work out. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. sobering milestone was reached. the global cases of coronavirus has now reached 20 million globally according to johns hopkins university. 20 million cases worldwide. that is a backdrop president trump weighing in on reports the college football season could be cancelled. colleges should play even as news outlets report that the top five conferences known as the power five are discussing postponing the season. no decision has been reached. pressure against cancelling the season is coming not only from the president and members of congress but some players, as well.

joining us is cnn contributor bob acostas. how big a deal would it be if college football gets cancelled all together? >> as we mentioned before, it's not just the interest in college football and revenue it brings to support what are often grotesquely over blown football programs with the salaries of staff and facilities and all the rest. it seems to have departed from a real student athlete model in too many cases but what can be said for college football and basketball is that they support the lesser, i don't mean lesser in importance but lesser in terms of revenue and general interest. they support tennis and soccer and lacrosse and swimming and crew and whatever else. so when that revenue goes and we're talking nationwide about billions and billions, when that revenue goes, there will be a ripple effect on the other programs within these universities. i know that as you mentioned a number of players want to play

and some 1,000 or more around the country put out some sort of list of demands without which they would not return to play, which included a 50/50 split of the revenue. that is just not going to happen. i know that there are many people who said for years hey, these athletes are uncompensated but in a true student athlete model if sanity prevailed, the scholarship could be worth well more than half a million dollars over the course of four years or more in some situations. so if these are truly student athletes and if the programs don't put such demands on them that they are constantly practicing, constantly traveling there to practice before classes are in session with the case of football in august, if you got back to something proportionate, the scholarship would have more meaning. meanwhile, the players said we want to play including trever laur lawrence, the great quarterback for clemson. the bottom line is these conferences decided the power

five expected in the next few days to join the ivy league and mid american conference and mountain west. they decided that it just is not practical. you just can't do it. there is too many needles to thread. the size of the rosters is too large. if they interact with other students on campus, there is bound to be infection spreading back and forth and if you're going to isolate them the way pro athletes can be isolated in a bubble like the nba and nhl, aren't you just declaring this has noting to do with education, has nothing to do with kids being on campus? they are here to generate revenues? isn't that basically what you're saying? >> you were hearing from ben sasse, some spoke about a need for football. you know, obviously for people who love football, it's incredibly important to many in america and an incredibly important thing. how does the need measure up to a global pandemic?

>> especially if you talk about football. the nba is successful because they are in a bubble. playing basketball you're breathing on each other in close quarters sweating. for the moment that's not the issue. football is the issue. try to think of an activity less conducive to containing a pandemic than playing football. the size of the rosters, constant close contact on every play and a huddle between every play. on both sides of the ball. 22 players at a time. offense and defense. let's get in a huddle and talk to each other in a huddle. >> also traveling teams is a huge task. >> yeah, now most of the conferences when they intended to play and they put out somewhat condensed schedules, they wanted to play only within their conferences so they cut down on out of conference games and that's more far flung travel but still, you have to travel. even within conferences there is airplane travel involved in some

cases. it's just impossible to manage. we've seen that even in baseball where the players are tested regularly where they have all kinds of protocols and you talk about a smaller number of players in total and yet, there have been outbreaks on the miami marlins and on the st. louis cardinals that has disrupted the season. college football is far more for flung and would be more difficult to control. >> always great to have you, thanks, bob. >> thanks. i'll talk to the aunt of two high school students. they intend that georgia schools seen in this infamous crowded hallway photo. we'll be right back.

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at least 826 students and two staff members have been quarantined after possible exposure to covid-19. the district is reporting 38 positive cases among its students and 12 cases among staff. this is a ripple effect continue from the viral photo that appeared last week from another georgia school. the student that took that picture was suspended and reinstated not long after. now that school is closed for a couple days for deep cleaning. joining me,is angie franks who has two nephews that attend that school both diagnosed with coronavirus. thanks for joining us. how are you nephews doing? >> pretty well. they are getting better. >> good. and i know your older nephew had symptoms after the first day of school, which was last monday. do you know where he might have come in contact with the virus? >> we believe that he came in

contact on the football field, playing football for the high school. >> i see. is that something he was doing over the summer, i guess, for practice? >> yeah, yeah, they started practicing in july. >> okay. >> so i guess a few of the players had tested positive, but he was fine. he didn't show any symptoms or didn't mention any symptoms until after school on monday. >> and obviously, the pictures of the hallway at north paulding went viral. what did you think when you saw it? >> i was pretty mad. i was shocked. i thought they would have had a plan in place for the kids returning to school, and it was anything but. it was just like a regular school day. >> when writing to the parents to let them know in in person classes, they said the health of students and staff are our

highest priority. you're smiling with that. my sense is you don't really see that. >> no. i don't. i don't. i don't really think they had a plan in place at all, and it's very disappointing to see that because i really feel like -- i felt to begin with that the kids started school back in person too soon as it was. i think a lot of parents trusted the school system, that they would have a plan in place and quite obviously they did not. so. >> and i understand, you know, within your extended family, there are some family members who may be even more vulnerable to a virus like this and is it -- have they been exposed do you know? did the kids have contact with them? >> so my husband has bone marrow cancer and yes, my -- the younger nephew was here sunday

to pick up a pair of sneakers i got him from school and of course, we didn't know he was ill. we stayed outside socially distanced. we didn't hug or touch. he then went to my mom's house who is also a cancer patient. he did wear a mask in the house. he did not wear one outside. but, you know, she hadn't seen her grandchildren in six months and she really wanted to see her grandchild and it was a birthday party for him before school started. it kind of put us all into a little panic when we found they were positive. my husband and i were tested today. we feel fine. my mom feels fine. my dad feels fine. no one that was around him that day like his father was around him, he feels fine. so we all feel fine. his dad was tested, as well today. his mother has tested and my mom

will get a test on wednesday. >> do you know how long will it take for you-all to get results? >> they're saying three to four days so we'll see. >> okay. good. >> i have great hopes that they are true to their word and it will be three to four days. >> yeah. i'm wondering if you have any -- obviously, look, these are discussions parents across the country are having and, you know, within families people are having and having disagreements. do you have any message for, you know, parents of students around the country? >> i do. i mean, i just think people need to take this virus a little bit more seriously than they've been taking it. when you hear 97,000 children have tested positive in the month of july, when you see the death rate, you see over 5 million cases in just the united states, the virus is here. it's alive, and simply put on a

mask. just wear a mask. let's work together and get rid of this. we all want normalcy and we're not going to get it if we don't help ourselves. it very frustrating. >> well, amen to that. angie franks, thank you so much. appreciate it. i wish your mom the best and everybody the best. >> thank you so much. >> you take care. >> thanks. former vice president joe biden is expected to announce his running mate any time over the next several days ahead of next week's democratic national convention. we'll get the latest from our chief washington correspondent next. hot sam's is 99 years old. we embody that deep rooted history within our city.

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we know joe biden narrowed down the running mates and the announcement is expected sometime this week. we'll get the latest from jeff zeleny. >> reporter: two contenders for joe biden's runningkamala harri whitmer. his decision is coming any day

now ahead of next week's democratic convention. >> every one of the women we've interviewed is qualified, and i've narrowed it down.shortly. >> reporter: aids say he's narrowed it down to a list of 11. harris, whitmer and former obama national advisor susan rice are among those he's most seriously considering with karen bass, duck worth and more in the mix. the choice will be historic marking the only the third time a woman is nominated, a pledge he made months ago. >> i would pick a woman to be my vice president. >> he faces rising pressure from black leaders that i'm plmplore biden to choose a woman of color. >> all of those letters, all of the calls and statements are being considered very heartfully

and i believe he's going to make the right decision. >> i believe in joe. >> reporter: harris has long been seen as one of the strongest candidates on biden's list but met face-to-face with whitmer cnn learned and a hand full of other contenders. whitmer's handling of the coronavirus impressed biden and the two have grown close. she's been in office less than two years a point we asked her about earlier this year. >> i never had to call to washington d.c. but the fact that there is even a conversation about what the future of our country looks like and that i'm included in a conversation that has some phenomenal women leaders across this country is truly an honor. >> friends of biden say he's intent on finding a governing partner that can tackle challenges awaiting whoever wins. >> the best vice president america ever had, mr. joe biden. >> reporter: it's biden's own time as vice president that is

helping his search. he wants a rapport like the one he had with obama. she will be the history making choice, a point biden also acknowledges. >> look, i view myself as a bridge, not as anything else. there is an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. they are future of this country. >> reporter: jeff zeleny, cnn, washington. >> there is an open let tore biden urging him to pick a black woman as his vice president. it includes rapper sean did ddy combs and the lawyer firefighter george floyd and want to select a black woman means biden will lose the election, w. kamal bell united shades of america and chief political analyst. kamal what message the vice president does indeed choose a

black woman. >> since he started running, it changed twice once with covid and george floyd and everything in history is pushing towards a woman being his partner on the ticket and i just think it seems like joe biden may be over thinking this but that's what history is pushing towards. >> gloria, i mean, as jeff mentioned, this partly comes down to loyalty for biden. you covered him for a long time. how important a factor is that? >> very important, let me say joe biden over thinks everything. this is the way he operates and decides. i think loyalty is really important to him. he believes that he was an incredibly loyal to barack obama. you did not hear when he disagreed with obama on policy decisions. he didn't take it to the media. he didn't take it to senators on the hill. i think and this is according to my sources until the campaign, the first thing he's thinking about is do no harm. he doesn't want to hurt his campaign in any way and he

he doesn't want to hurt his campaign in anyway. and he wants somebody who he has a comfort level with. his comfort level with barack obama grew over the years. they served in the senate together but grew closer over the years, so i think he understands that this isn't necessarily going to be a best friend at the beginning, but he wants it to be somebody that he can really govern with. >> what's also interesting, he's made clear that -- he talks about himself as a bridge early on there was some sort of rumblings he may consider, announcing he would only serve one term. a lot of this is about the future of the democratic party, i guess, the other side of this, joe biden may not necessarily want a vice president who starts

focusing on 2024. >> i know, i think he's thinking too much about what his relationship was like with barack and not what the country needs right now. but what the country needs right know is a vice president that speaks to black people. joe biden isn't connecting with the younger black audience or the progressive white audience. >> if that is the case, you want a vice president who can campaign and reach out to audiences you may not be able to reach out to various voters in states that you may not have as great a following in, how does that play into this calculous? >> well, i think it plays into it in a large way. don't forget this isn't a traditional campaign, you're not out there on the campaign trail going around the country with

tens of thousands of supporters at your rallies. this is someone who has to speak of a different language from joe biden i think in some ways, joe biden talks about reaching across the aisle, very often talks about the old days and how it used to work in the old days. >> malarkey, i tell you. >> i think he needs somebody who can, as kamala is saying, who can talk to younger people. this is what joe and i want to do for this country. and he also understands that it was black voters and black women in particular who helped him win in south carolina, which catapulted him to the nomination, and i don't think that joe biden is going to forget that looking at a general election. >> do you think it's not as important as he's making it to be? how do you mean that? >> i mean, i'm not running for president, but i would pick a

black woman, because clearly that's the way the wind is blowing. when you hear he had a meeting with gretchen whitmeyer, she's not that popular with the black people in her state. to me it says, what are you seeing in her that you're not seeing in black women candidates? >> vice president biden, senator harris had on bussing and school desegregation. the biden campaign says he doesn't hold grudges, he's a human being and human beings have feelings and for better or for worse. is it known whether that relationship has been repaired? >> it's really hard to know about joe biden personally, i can tell you from my own reporting that there are people in that campaign who are still smarting over that, in which she said to biden, i know you're not a racist, but -- when they were talking about bussing and zee

segregation in wilmington. not only did he like kamala harris, he knew she was a close friend of his now deceased friend beau biden. he's a big boy, highs been in politics an awfully long time. biden is not someone who holds a grudge, will people who work with him hold a grudge? yeah, maybe. but they want to win above all else. if they think harris can help him do it, she'll be the vice presidential nominee. >> she did not -- the fact that she was a prosecutor has not engendered her well with the black lives matter -- some in the black lives matter movement. it's a complex decision for him, just because somebody -- he may think, you know, i need a -- i want a black woman, everybody

comes with their own baggage in one form or another. >> i'm not here to tell him who to pick. it should be about which black woman, it's not just any black woman. in the middle of this moment in the country where we're turning over how we think about structural institutionalized racism, you want someone who can speak to that. who gives this country the best chance to recover from donald trump? >> right, and -- >> w. kamau bell. >> one more thing, it's a shotgun marriage. and so biden needs somebody he is comfortable with. >> yeah. >> and that person has to be comfortable with him in front of the entire country. >> thank you gloria boehringer. another programming note, don't miss full circle. it's our digital news show.

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