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press conference that just started. the new coronavirus concerns if schools open. president trump saying that kids don't catch it easily. and a new study shows the opposite. we'll be joined by a white house reporter, how the white house is focused on the politics and not the science of the coronavirus. the report says that the top officials in the white house appear to be skeptical of the science surrounding the virus even as they say it's not the science. later the president's lies about mail in voting, the republicans in charge of alabama talk to us about the comments and what he's hearing in the state of alabama. we start with the virus and where they are trying to open school doors, they found it a difficult task almost immediately. >> if we act like the virus isn't there, and we go for it, and tough it out. it won't work. >> public health experts warned this would happen, and now it

has. schools in states with high rates of covid-19 infections opening up too quickly without the proper precautions and suffering the consequences as new cases pile up. the georgia high school made famous from this photo, now temporarily closed. the school where masks are not required holding classes remotely while it undergoes a deep cleaning. at least 16 schools in cherokee county, georgia have reported covid cases in class. underlined the challenge of holding in person classes in the state. >> the reason all this is happening is because we haven't controlled the virus spread in the community. >> the lack of a mask mandate in most georgia schools, and concerns about crowding prompting fear among teachers and families. >> i have over 200 emails over the course of less than 48 hours

from teachers, students, parents, staff members at school. all with really the same message, that schools in georgia are note prepared to go back to face-to-face instruction right now. >> the children's hospital association says nearly 100,000 children in the u.s. tested positive for covid in the last two weeks of july. with covid positivity rates rising in in 35 states compared to last week, there are new concerns in idaho, indiana and illinois. chicago's mayor tweeted this image of a crowded beach. in california, tense moments outside of a church holding an indoor service sunday in defiance of the judge's order. several states are seeing record hospitalizations. meanwhile, college football is hanging in the balance.

multiple sports outlets reporting leaders are in discussions about postponing the season due to covid concerns, a move the mid american conference announced over the weekend. >> this was a crushing decision to be made by our membership. it was a decision made based on the advice of our medical experts. >> athena jones joins us. we've been talking about how covid affects kids. you have new information about how it's affecting kids of color? >> black and hispanic children are more likely to contract the virus. hispanic children are eight times more likely to be hospitalized with coronavirus complications than white children. black children are five times more likely. one expert saying the testing and prevention resources must be focused in these high risk communities. anderson? >> thanks very much. as we mentioned at the top of the program, secret service took president trump out of his briefing minutes after it began,

here's the moment. >> it looks like they're just about going to be topping records hopefully soon. >> excuse me, sir -- >> excuse me? >> what's going on, mr. president? >> what's happening? >> joining me now, cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond. you were in the briefing room tonight. what did you see? >> it was a pretty chaotic and uncertain scene at first, when you see that secret service agent come over to the president and escort him out of the room, that's not something you see often if at all. and ultimately, it will turns out a man appears to have been shot outside the white house. the president was out of the briefing room here for about 8 1/2 minutes before he returned and continued with his news conference. when he returned i asked the

president where he was taken during that time. whether he was taken to the underground bunker where we know we was rushed during the black lives matter protests. he was watching tv news reports about what was going on. it's not something you see often here. >> what more do we know about the shooting itself. the secret service tweeted out an agent and a suspect were taken to the hospital? >> yeah, that's right. as of now, that's pretty much as far as it goes, about what exactly happened in this incident. our photojournalist heard one of the shots that was fired while he was standing outside on the white house's north lawn. and the president came back and said he believed the suspect was armed and that the suspect was shot by a secret service officer.

the president did say also that he doesn't believe the suspect breached anything on the white house complex. this incident appears to have happened at 17th and pennsylvania which is just outside the perimeter of the white house grounds. but certainly shocking to see something happen that close to the white house grounds. the president was asked if he was rattled. he said, do i look rattled? he went on with the rest of the briefing. >> talk about the discussion in the briefing. there was news about covid and executive orders he has given, and whether or not they'll actually be able to do anything. >> the president talked about a wide range of news a day questions. he stayed here longer than he typically has over the last couple weeks after he returned from that incident. maybe he wanted to show he was not rattled by that incident. we heard the president do what he typically does. he was downplaying the coronavirus, insisting there's no risk to children as he so often has. there's one question i want to highlight for you. when the president was asked about these efforts by other countries including russia to

meddle in the u.s. elections, he deflected that question and said, not talking about russia, but instead, saying, democrats are meddling in the election, he went on to make a series of false statements about mail-in voting, including that foreign countries could interfere with mail-in voting and rig the election. that's directly at odds with what intelligence officials have said. just this past friday, they said it is difficult for adversaries to manipulate voting results at scale. anderson? >> joining us now to talk about president trump. josh dossie, who helped right that story of a science skeptical administration. and also, the president saying, of those who died from the virus, it is what it is. you had some fascinating reporting over the weekend about president trump's inner circle in the white house, the president has this crisis under control. rather than planning ways to contain it. >> a number of his political aids.

including mark meadows, jared kush nrer, director of communications meet every morning to talk about how they're going to message a virus. how to convince americans that things are getting better. there had been wider coronavirus task forces where there had been a host of doctors and officials across the government, now you have these meetings that are happening more regularly. you have dr. birx out touring states, trying to message about wearing masks and taking precautions and states outside of washington. what we've seen from the last few months in the white house, is an administration for the month of june largely don't focus on the coronavirus. there is a lot of speculation from mark meadows and others toward the doctors, now you have a widespread number of cases, more than five million in the united states and a problem that's going to continue into the fall, and potentially get worse, according to the internal projections for the administration.

>> a senior administration official involved in the pandemic response said everyone is busy trying to create a potemkin village for him every day. can you explain? >> he's wanted to strike an optimistic tone on the virus as you've seen. he wanted to show different stats as he showed in the interview. jonathan used to try to paint a brighter picture. the virus will go away, the deaths are going to be reduced soon. states are not going to have a problem. there will be college football, there will be this host of positive developments in the united states. and those haven't happened. aids have been trying to paint more optimistic pictures for the defense to share. you saw about ten days ago, when dr. birx was on and said how widespread and bad it was. the next morning he attacked her and said pathetic. >> jonathan, you don't need me

to say this, but i thought that was an extraordinary interview with the president and you did a remarkable job with it. all this was on display during that interview. he thought things were under control. he showed you misleading papers and graphs. indicating how well he thought the u.s. was doing compared to the world. he's ignoring anything that's negative, which is what he always does. >> right. yeah, thanks for saying that. i started the interview by asking -- in a gentle fashion by saying to him, you've been in adherence to this power of positive thinking philosophy that this christian minister popularized in the 1950s. this idea that what you're saying doesn't bear any

resemblance to current reality. the mere fact of saying it will make it come true. a philosophy that's harmless in the worlds of commercial real estate or reality television may be helpful. may be helpful in some aspects of politics, but has never been applied to the worst pandemic in a century, and these death numbers are simply unspinnable. he was pulling out deaths as a proportion of cases. okay, that's not a completely irrelevant figure, it shows you that the u.s. hospital system has done an all mighty job to save people. when you look at death as part of the population, it's just horrendous. there are a few countries worse than america, but not very many. the fact remains, the stubborn fact, no amount of publicity or salesmanship or messaging workshops can change. the united states, the country with the most advanced science

and health care technology notice world is performing abysmally on this metric of death as a proportion of population. >> which is what makes it so extraordinary to me that in your reporting, they are having daily meetings, kushner and meadows about messaging, as opposed to actually the president attending virus task force briefings. i know he had one he tweeted out pictures. before that, he didn't attend one since april. and sending dr. birx around the country -- i don't know if it's pannishment from her being pathetic or punishment. the fact that she's going around the country trying to encourage people to wear masks -- how about the president encouraging people to wear masks. >> the president after months of being persistent -- from family members and advisers -- >> he said it once. >> he's worn a mask a few times. he hasn't worn a mask consistently. he's tested.

he's worn them on a few trips across the country. there's other times where he's been at his hotel and other public places where he hasn't. it's been hit or miss. >> jonathan, candidate trump railed against president obama for implementing executive orders when congress couldn't get things done. now the president is doing the same. now, there's a whole host of issues of the unconstitutionality of the executive orders, whether they would work. what does all this mean for negotiations on capitol hill with meadows and mnuchin. >> my latest reporting is that nothing meaningful has changed or happened in terms of the negotiations since president trump announced and signed these executive orders on the weekend. it hasn't moved.

the two sides -- these are not trivial disagreements, they're about more than $2 trillion apart, i mean, this is massive massive gap between the two sides. and what we're seeing, yes, i mean, on this issue as many others, president trump when he was a private citizen criticized president obama only to go on and do it himself. what we're seeing this time, again, unsurprisingly, is there isn't really a republican blow back. ben sas in the senate is this lonely figure out there, he is not representative of the republican conference, he is an aberrant figure in expressing displeasure with president trump publicly. most of them are being supportive or quiet or half supportive like senator mike lee who is a strict constitutionalist, who put out a statement saying there was a statutory basis for these regulatory authorities. you're not seeing pressure from the party.

donald trump owns this party and has still, even though people like to pull out when people -- there's episodes of dissent or people criticizing him, he still has an all mighty sway over this republican party and the evidence has been there in the last 48 hours. >> josh, you talked about sort of -- the suspension of science. how do you see that in the west wing? >> well, what we've seen repeatedly is mark meadows, the chief of staff. some of the other political officials clashing with the doctors, they have found particularly dr. fauci to be too draconian on some of his prescriptions. they don't like how dr. birx has said some things publicly on television. they resisted saying the doctors were wrong at first. they say remember doctors early on said that masks were not necessary. so what we've seen repeatedly is dr. birx and dr. fauci taking a more con servety line calling for more measures to try to contain the spread of the virus. and some of the president's

leading political officials not agreeing with those measures and thinking they're being too obstructionist reopening the schools and other things. >> josh, jonathan. thank you very much. just ahead, there's more breaking news, dr. anthony fauci's late reaction about how the virus is spreading among children. we have a report on a weekend of protests and violence in chicago and other cities. dozens of arrests. what happened and why? hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. zyrtec muddle no more.

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pediatrics in the children's hospital association has published a startling report, there's been a 90% increase of coronavirus cases in children. the exact number 179,000 almost 180,000. president trump said the report did not give him pause about reopening schools, said once again, that children don't catch it recently. abc news aired an interview with dr. fauci. he was asked whether masks should be mandated in schools. >> there should be universal wearing of masks, the extent possible social distancing, avoiding crowds. outdoors always better than indoors and being in a situation where you continually have the capability of washing your hands

and cleaning up with sanitizers. >> dr. tina heartert of vanderbilt university is working with the nih on the study of the coronavirus. and a former professor at harvard medical school and author of covid back to school guide. when you hear dr. fauci say there should be universal mask wearing? at schools, i'm wondering, does that make sense? >> it makes a lot of sense. children can be infected. children can infect others, and children can contract very serious disease. i think when we talk about children, we have to say children from zero to 5. they're highly infectious to other people. they have 1,000 times more virus in their nose than you need to infect. >> when the president says that children don't pass it on. in the same way that adults do, that's just not correct? >> in fact, it's correct. only in the opposite sense.

it's likely that small children pass it on much more efficiently. then have you children in the ages of 6 to 12. they're the ones who are most likely to get the lethal effects of all the kids. they're the ones that get the you a lethal effects. the peak is about age 7 to 8. then you have children 13 to 19, they're still in school, and they're just like adults. if you look at the number of people who are now hospitalized, the bulk of people who are now hospitalized, they're from 15 to 16. so children are at risk, they should wear masks. >> dr. carter, we mentioned the new american pediatrics report that mentioned a 90% increase in cases. i'm wondering if you're surprised by the numbers. what do you think accounts for it. more kids are getting tested? and more kids are now coming in contact with other people? where as before they were more isolated? >> yeah, i think it's both of those things. i think we previously didn't test people if they had no

symptoms, and we know children are much more likely to be asymptomatic. they're also much more likely not to be tested. as we've lifted restrictions in different places and more children are infected, we're testing more, and children are becoming infected more often. >> when you hear about that rise, should that have implications on the reopening of schools? >> absolutely, it should. >> and so should the story of the georgia camp, so should the schools that have already opened. we know that children can transmit this virus to each other at all ages and do. and i think that the doctor was right when she said that we now have a situation where we are measuring the children more, and more children are getting out. during the first part of this pandemic, some adults got out, but far fewer children interacted with each other. now we're going to maximize,

we're going to put 50 million more kids in close contact. i think you're waiting for a second fire to erupt. you're pouring fuel on a raging fire. >> you're working on a study with nhh researchers that will track the rate of coronavirus spread among kids and families, in 2000 households across the u.s. what's the importance of that? what do you expect to find? >> this is the study, nih-led study of 2,000 households with children and their families, so we're studying children, the infection in children, the role of asymptomatic infection, transmission within the households and the role of allergies and asthma, particularly among children of which we know very little at this point. >> so there's a lot about covid and children that we still don't know? >> that's correct.

i would say the role of children in transmission is uncertain. we know that children are infected with this virus, we know children transmit this virus. i think that the studies to date don't tell us the same stories, so you will hear in the media several small studies being reported and stories about shedding a virus. and when we don't have studies that are telling us the same story, it means that we're really still uncertain about children spread. we shouldn't ignore decades worth of research about the very important role children play in spreading pretty much every other respiratory virus. i think until we have better data, we really should say that the role of children in transmitting viruses are uncertain. they certainly transmit it, how

important this transmission is compared to adults is not known at this point. >> it seems like we are obviously -- this is all happening to everyone at the same time, there's no previous studies that have been done, we're learning about this as we go, just as you're starting to see longer term effects in adults who have had covid cardiac incidents. neurological incidents. i'm wondering if there's a concern that that could be the case with children as well. we just haven't had the length of time to see it. >> you're right, anderson, children that do get sick get very sick. and very often have disease of the brain, they have heart disease, they may have aneurysms. that ballooning of the arteries. i'd like to go back to the children's transmission for a second. >> yes. >> and to point out that coronaviruses we know about,

this is a coronavirus. we've been living with them. they give us colds. there's every reason to suspect that this virus, even though it can kill you, behaves pretty much like a cold virus in terms of transmission. who drives colds? children drive colds. who drives flu? as the doctor had said. flu is driven by young children in households. that's true of almost all respiratory diseases, including the colds and colds that are caused by coronaviruses. and this is one of those cousins. it even uses the same receptor, in the nasal passages as one of the cold viruses. it also happens to be a cold virus that also kills. >> thank you, great to have you on the program. good luck with you your. appreciate it. one of the hopes stopping the spread, those infected that are not sickened at all. why are asymptomatic cases so

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one of the biggest mysteries of the pandemic are why some are so sickened by covid and others experience no symptoms at all. it's estimated that about 40% of the cases in this country are asymptomatic. are the t cells helping ward that off? it's confounding scientists hard at work trying to find answers. one of the researchers is dr. monica gandhi at uc san francisco. and also with us andrew badly, a chair of the mayo clinic's task force, who's been studying the protective effects of the vaccines. doctor, thanks for being with us. part of your research is looking

at possible protective effects of vaccines people have already gotten over the years. what have you been finding? >> thank you for having me tonight, anderson. it's a great pleasure to be here. what we looked at was what impact do prior vaccination status have on your risk of acquiring covid disease. this isn't a new phenomena, it's been known for a large number of years that certain vaccines can be protected against diseases they're not designed to be protected for. and a classic case of areas, the tb vaccine, which is called bcg. people who get that vaccine have a reduced chance of getting malaria. there's no real reason to suspect that the antigens in tb and malaria are so close that a t cell response can be protective. when we looked in the setting of covid disease, we found that people who had prior vaccinations with a variety of vaccines for pneumococcus,

influenza, hepatitis a and others appeared to have a lower risk of getting covid disease. than if they did have the vaccine. >> that's fascinating. in a way, a common vaccine is kind of an immune booster to fight off unrelated infections? >> exactly right. studies like this can't infer mechanism, but we scientists can speculate what the mechanism is. >> and doctor -- >> and -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> there's a known mechanism in immunology which is called immune training. what immune training is, if your immune system has been trained to fight off an infection in an unstressed state, like when you get a vaccine, when you encounter a pathogen or a virus in a stress state, you're more likely to mountain effective immune response and that's immune training. a good analogy is think of your immune system as being a muscle, the more you exercise that muscle, the stronger it will be

when you need it. >> your research has been looking at lower rates of infection through the use of masks. and people may have lower levels of the virus. >> what we've been looking at is really this question of how do you increase the rate of asymptomatic infection. if 40% of people have asymptomatic infection, you want to decrease transmission to be sure, but you want to decrease the morbidity of the disease. you want more and more people to feel okay if they have the disease. what can you do to increase the rates of asymptomatic infections. having no symptoms. the mask reduces the amount of virus you get in. if you do get infected. and by reducing that -- we call that the viral innoculum. you have a lower dose, you're able to manage it, you have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. we put together a lot of

data based on outbreaks and country level data and say the size matters, the viral innoculum matters. and what that means is, wear a mask, that will protect you. if you do get infected you're likely to get mild disease or no disease. >> so much of the argument to wear a mask has been to protect other people. something we should all be concerned about and should all do. you're saying also wearing a mask protects yourself. >> it absolutely protects yourself, and in fact, it -- it may have been a little bit of a disservice at the beginning when we first started to say it only protects other people. by saying that, you know, we do need to bring in the civic duty and we need to bring in what we want to do as individuals. it's a complicated country right now, it's fine. it protects you. how does it protect you? it protects you from getting the virus in, but the most important thing for me, it protects you from severe illness, who wants

severe illness, who wants to be on a ventilator? no one wants to be sick. it protects you from getting severe illness. if you get a mild infection and you get immunity out of it, we have just really changed the equation on this, you made the disease less deadly by wearing masks, you may increase population level immunity. we talked about that before, showing you're going to get immunity even from mild disease. >> it's so important that message, to get out there. your research underscores people get vaccines and stay healthy during this time. check to make sure i'm up on vaccines, other vaccines for other things. hepatitis a, other things you mentioned. what should people -- does that make sense for people to go to their physician or the local cvs and get vaccinated for things? >> it underscores the need for health maintenance.

we know that there's a variety of risks that increase your chance of getting severe disease as they just heard, they include obesity and smoking and alcohol use and all kinds of things. we can do a number of things to improve our health status today. if you are diabetic, get your sugars in control. if you smoke, stop smoking. take your vaccines, they may reduce your chance of getting covid, also we know, if you've had influenza, a common complication of influenza is getting another infection on top of that, like bacteria pneumonia. it's probable that if you have influenza and you get covid on top of that, you're going to have a worse outcome. taking your vaccines to prevent influenza and pneumo caucus and help c is good for you in the absence of covid and twice as likely good for you in the presence of covid.

>> thanks for all your work, really good information from both of you. it's fascinating. how will voters stay safe this upcoming election. that's why so many states are talking about mail-in ballots. the president is saying they will lead to mass fraud. we'll talk to someone who knows the system intricately, to talk about what it's like in his state. (vo) we've got your back, road warriors.

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the president complained again tonight about mail-in voting as he's done most days in the last couple weeks. in the past, he's claimed fraud and ballot harvesting, as you named it. as we've explained, there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in this country. colorado has been othdoing it f years. lucy kafanov has the story. >> this machine produces 20,000 ballots an hour, it's really loud. we could not be able to talking next to. >> george stern is an elections administrator for jefferson,

colorado's fourth largest county. >> everything here is out in the open? >> everything here is out in the open. >> he's invited the president and cnn to tour the county's mail ballot processing facility. his message? >> there's no massive fraud. our elections are secure as much as they are accessible. >> all registered colorado voters automatically receive a ballot in the mail. you can still vote in person. but 99% of ballots have been returned by mail-in or drop box. >> everyone knows mail-in ballots are a disaster. >> this week the president sued nevada to test the expansion of mail-in voting tweeting in july, mail-in ballots will lead to massive fraud and a rigged 2020 election. >> we've been doing universal vote by mail in colorado for seven years. that is not the case. we can say with serenity. >> that's because of a rigorous system of checks and balances. for a mail-in ballot to be counted the envelope must be signed. a bipartisan team of judges

composed on trained by the fbi, the judges compare the signature to those stored on finality. >> if the signature doesn't match it's going to be pushed off to the side and investigated by the district attorney's office. >> data shows nine instances of voter fraud out of millions cast. >> nine is too many, but that's 9 out of 16 million. that's literally less than 1 in a million. >> in june, the president falsely claimed that millions of mail-in ballots would be printed by foreign countries and others. but colorado election officials say that is not a concern. they would have to get in the paperweight and even the envelope. they change county by county and each election cycle. >> everything is paper ballots. we have a paper trail.

we store them for two years. the voting machines are never connected to the internet. never have been, never will be. our county equipment never connected to the internet. >> which prevents hacking. >> another false claim that mail-in voting helps democrats. republicans should fight very hard when it comes to statewide mail-in voting. >> tonight we shook up the senate. >> in the 2014 general election, the first election after colorado switched to mail-in voting, republicans flipped a u.s. senate seat, won a majority in the state senate, gained seats in the state house, and won three of four statewide offices. >> we've seen that there is no partisan advantage. we've seen record voter turnout from democrats and republicans. >> the president has suggested that election results could be delayed for months. >> we deliver most of our results on election night every time.

because of the swroet by mail system. >> in some ways the mail-in voting makes the process faster. >> no colorado, unquestionably it makes it faster. >> how easy is it to fake a ballot in someone who is deceased. they do not vote in colorado. >> someone got a ballot for a dog. >> my dog walks to vote with me every single election, but he's yet to get a ballot or turn one in himself. >> lucy kavanof. alabama secretary of state says there is only one kind of vote there. thank you for joining me now. we're hearing there's concern among some, the president is saying one thing and yet a lot of republicans vote by mail. >> anderson, thank you for having me as your guest. there are a number of people who have significant concerns in our state about universal vote by mail.

in alabama we've had absentee vote by mail for many many years, we'll continue that process. we know that process is safe, secure, and has a high degree of integrity and credibility in our state. >> so are voters -- because, i mean, absentee voting you know, is there -- is there one that works? and ones that not? it seems like, alabama, you have -- there's one system. >> well, anderson, our people are very comfortable with the system that we have. as i said, it's been in place for many, many years. and i think what's important is that each state needs to do what's best for each state. now, i think that related to these two incidents because some people do not understand the difference between universal voting by mail, and absentee voting by mail. so, if we could take just a

second to make sure that people understand. in the instance with universal voting by mail, what that would mean, in the state of alabama, is that all 3 million 627,000 would receive a ballot mailed to their home, whether or not they requested it or not. through the absentee voting by mail system that we have, the voter has to request an application. they can download that. or they can contact their local circuit clerk or absentee collection manager, then they complete the application. the circuit clerk, in most counties. and then, they need to follow the directions and successfully return their ballot so it will be counted for the candidate of their choice. also, think there's a couple other things that need to be noted. a number of times, people will

ask me, how much does it cost to run an election in alabama? and each segment of our election, anderson, costs $5.5 million. the primary. the runoff. and the general election. so approximately, $16.5 million. for one segment in our state, it would cost $18.5 million. so, if you added those three segments up, it would almost be $60 million, as opposed to the $16.5 million that it currently cost the state of alabama. >> are you hearing voters concerned about voting in person because of covid-19? >> you know, anderson, most of the people in our state still want to vote. polling sites in the state of alabama will be open on election day, just like they were when we had our runoff on july the 14th. our people are very comfortable in going to the polls. and yet, we've made it easy for them to have what's necessary to

ensure a safe and healthy viefrmt for th environment for them to go vote. our poll workers are all assigned to wear masks. they've been provided with latex and non-latex gloves. hand sanitizer is everywhere. disinfectant spray and sanitized wipes are available to be used. once our election was over, on july the 14th, we provided enough resources for all of our polling places to be returned to their pre-election condition. sanitized and fully cleaned, so that they would be able to do what they needed to do, with that location after the election was over. >> secretary john merrill, appreciate it. thank you very much. good luck to you. a weekend of protest and violence in american cities. chicago especially hit hard. next, we'll have an update on what happened.

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