it is the top of the hour now. we are i am brianna keilar. elderly and children, 90% increase in children testing positive for coronavirus over the last month. many experts fear reopening schools could cause another spike. a second report showing cases rising at an alarming rate inside of nursing homes and stist ever assisted living facilities. the total case count in the u.s. is at 5.1 million cases. nearly 164,000 americans have died. several states across the southern u.s. isr experiencing a downward trend. while the number of cases are crossing 20 million, russian president vladimir putin says his country has approved the

first coronavirus vaccine, nicknamed sputnik v. many are questioning the safety and quality of this russian vaccine. have a listen. >> the point is not to be first with the vaccine. the point is to have a vaccine that is safe and effective for the american people and the people of the world. we need transparent data and it's got to be phase three data that shows that a vaccine is safe and effective. >> i wouldn't take it. certainly not outside the clinical trial right now. it appears that's only been tested in several hundred patients at most. there's some reports it's been in a few hundred patients. in a lot of these situations you might only get one shot at taking a vaccine within a season. if you put a vaccine on the market that's not efficacioous,

it's going to be hard to revaccinate the population so you want to make sure it works and that it's safe. >> dr. deutsch, it's great to see you again. i want to start with this report we're seeing from the american academy of pediatrics. what's behind this surge in kids testing positive for coronavirus? >> yeah. i mean, it's really scary information when you talk about the percentage of 90% increase and clearly the numbers are going up because we're testing more. so, it's a good thing and a bad thing. i'm actually kind of happy to see that we're testing more. that means that we're listening to the recommendations. we're monitoring the situation more closely. what i want to see happen next is that we see the numbers go down with the same number of testing, if not more testing. that should be our trajectory. >> you want to be looking at the positivity rate. so you're seeing the number of tests go up but also the positivity rate is concerning? >> yeah, right. if we see those numbers go down,

because we continue to test, that's what i would hope to see. that means we need to do things that are effective, make sure we're implementing mask wearing, make sure we continue to socially distance. everything is sort of up in the air with schools potentially opening, but if we continue to see these numbers rise, we're definitely not headed in the right direction. >> do we know the long-term effects on children? >> we don't. we certainly see less severe illness reported, which is making everybody a little less concerned. but we're seeing death rates increase to about the average for the typical flu season. about 90 reported deaths in the united states, which is equivalent to the flu season. if we start seeing those numbers swruch up higher there, that's also alarming in terms of the long-term effects. unclear. we certainly don't see the numbers, the severe illness we typically see with adults. everybody should be on edge. this is our nation's future. these are our children. testing has to be implemented.

we need a plan in place as we consider to open schools. we can't just say numbers are going up and not have a way to monitor it, not have a way to react. there needs to be a universal plan that is implemented across the united states. >> and there is one health expert that told cnn children may be able to spread the virus as easily as the common cold. do we have a good grasp on how easily children spread this virus? >> it's a highly contagious virus. children are typically vectors with colds. it would make sense they would be equally as easily transmitting covid. when you talk about children, you're talking about people up to 18. we're not just talking about infants but young adults who are out and about, maybe not practicing as good as social dancing. you have the potential for increase number of spread as we consider putting kids back in the classroom. >> and let's turn to nursing homes now. american health care association

and national center for assisted lisk put out this report this morning, calling the spike that we're seeing alarming. we saw a spike in these care facilities early on in the pandemic. it did decline early this summer. why are we seeing what's really a big step backwards? >> right. our most vulnerable population, the elderly at our nursing homes, once again are seeing an uptick in positive cases. highly concerning to me as a physician. we're talking about people that really don't have the best chance in fighting this virus. what possibly could be causing these numbers is laxity on the precautions that we've been taking. again, people are gathering more. we're seeing people start to travel. what precautions are being made for people who are working in the nursing facilities? in new york, we were testing twice a week. that seems to have fallen to the wayside. in other states there certainly is a haphazard organization in how we're protecting our elderly in nursing homes with the staff who probably are the most potential source.

aga again, we need a plan in place. we can't allow these numbers to increase. we need to have testing opgs which makes sense at nursing homes, whether it's rapid testing or a way that we're testing people sporadically, getting samples to monitor this more closely. there's positive news, testing going on with antibody testing. lily is actually putting antibodies infused into nursing home patients to see if we can actually reduce infection and have a potential cure. so, some of these highlights are also some research that may be potentially positive. >> and i know you heard this news about russian president vladimir putin claiming to have the first vaccine. we're all watching this race to the vaccine very closely. he said he even has his own daughter being vaccinated. do you have concerns about the safety of the vaccine? >> yeah. clearly, we need to have a method that is proven to be effective, that gives information that is

scientifically accurate data that we can share within the scientific community. that's what phase three trials are all about. we vaccinate large populations, 30,000 perhaps, where half get the vaccine and half get a placebo. if we're skipping those steps we're potentially causino the 'n russia, scientists actually vaccinated their own children with polio vaccine, which was highly thought to be effective and actually did end up being an effective vaccine. so that might be their reasoning for skipping what we consider traditional steps. certainly, we want to make sure that we, in the u.s., have a very effective vaccine. we also don't want people to lose confidence in the potential of a vaccine from certain, you know, elements that are happening in other parts of the world. >> yeah. and also revaccination could be very difficult in situations like we're seeing in russia if

it isn't as effective as they're hoping it to be. dr. deutsch, go ahead. >> i was just going to add, if you recall sputnik ran out of batteries. ironically, that's what they're calling this vaccine. we'll see what happens here. we need to monitor this closely. hopefully, we do have some positive vaccination schedule soon. we need to be keeping a very objective eye on this. >> very interesting sputnik point there, dr. deutsch. thank you so much. >> thank you. cnn goes to a food bank, planning to feed 3,000 people today, as they face an unprecedented demand. actress alyssa milano is sharing her struggles with long-haul symptoms as she reveals she's losing her hair now months after battling covid-19. why might that be? a nevada pageant stopped for violating social distancing. a director who says they're being picked on. i like liberty mutual.

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with almost 1,000 deaths the governor of nevada has implemented strict regulations to stop the spread, masks and social distancing guidelines in las vegas, which was apparent over the weekend. las vegas police broke up the mrs. nevada america pageant for its crowd size. it was the second time in a week that an event at that same hotel was cited for overcrowding. the pageant did take place eventually, but without an audience. and jackie mckenna is the state director of the pageant. thank you so much for coming on to talk about this. tell us what happened here. >> thank you. thank you for having me. we had planned on this event for

several months and it was postponed several times because of the guidelines. and we wanted to make sure that we practiced every guideline. so, we went to a private facility, privately owned hotel that was a convention center as well. i was assured from the very beginning that we, having only 200 members in the audience, would be way below the compliance because of the capacity, because there was room for 1600 people in the room. we made sure that the tables were set 16 feet apart, no more than six people at a ten-top table. all family members. everybody had masks. everybody followed the guidelines. and this is very, very important to me. the safety of these women are more important to me than any kind of hoopla, any kind of celebration. but we don't want to take away

their hard work, their recognition for everything they've done and all they do in this community for somebody who is going to change the rules at the very last moment without proper notice. >> so, you know, jackie, i was reading ahead of time what you were talking about with the seating and the precautions. and my first instinct was to say, you know, maybe she's right here. but i have to tell you, i look at the photos from the pageant, which i think were photos that were taken even after the audience were gone. you're talking about wanting to preserve the health of these women. >> yes. >> i see a lot of people without masks within inches. i mean, they are embracing each other. you have the former mrs. nevada crowning the new mrs. nevada. of course, that's a normal part of the pageant but these are not normal times. >> yes. >> what do you say to folks who look at those contestants and say that is breaking all kinds of public health recommendations? >> if you do look at those photos, the women crowning the

other women have clear visors on. they were produced for them for this very purpose. if in the course of the evening somebody embraces somebody in a joyous moment, in an exciting moment, that is due these ladies. they have practiced everything from hand sanitizers to social distancing. we do not go out rogue and try and create a problem. we wanted to make sure that we were following the guidelines. but apparently five minutes before the pageant started, the police came in. the city came in and they called me to the lobby and said that they were -- they had a cease and desist order. i asked to see it, and they wouldn't show it to me. and the general manager of the hotel was there, george harris. he was there, the ceo. he looked at it and got on the phone immediately with his

attorneys and the owner of the hotel, don ahern, and he wanted to know what's going on? what have we done that is different than two days ago when 800 people were there? and that wasn't broken up. they were given a warning, but 800 people in a 1600-capacity room versus 200 family and friends private event. the tickets were not available for sale publicly. these were family and friends who had quarantined, gotten together for the one night of the year to celebrate their wives and mothers who have fought so hard, are doing so much in the community. we have women who are doctors and airline pilots and ministers, and dentists, and homemakers. people who have given so much to their community throughout the year. we felt as though with every safety precaution being handled

that we could present these women in the light they deserve and award them their night to shine. we had three out of our five judges who were doctors. >> jackie, look, i'm not disagreeing with you that these are folks who are doing good things. i will mention the other group was fined. look, i know that you and a number of other people look and they feel like they're being treated unfairly and i think that's totally a discussion worth having. >> sure. >> because sometimes there is inconsistency within different place or what appear to be different priorities. >> right. >> with how cities and states or counties are approaching things. i just go back to the photos of all of those contestants. i know what you're saying, but they're not actually practicing all safety precautions. i hear you saying that it's due these women. it's the one night. it's a big event for them. >> sure. >> the virus doesn't care, though. the virus doesn't care, jackie. >> i know. the virus doesn't care down the

street where thousands of people are either in casinos, gambling, not following any of the mandates. nobody closes them down. you have to -- >> i will say i understand your raising concerns about them. i think they're 50% capacity in the casinos right now and that's certainly worth a discussion. that doesn't make you any safer having these women close together. even if you are upset or raise concerns and if someone were to go into a specific casino and look and see if they were doing things that they felt were bad for people's health, that doesn't make what we're seeing in some of these photos safer, though. >> yes. i think those probably two or three photos that you're seeing, the women together was a moment of celebratory times that they felt that they were safe because of the hand sanitizers and having gone through the equipment there at the ahern

hotel that destroys any kind of viruses and germs as you walk through it. it's the only hotel in the country that has it. and it's one thing that has never been addressed. it's the only hotel who has it. >> it doesn't a virus that is inside people's bodies. i have to wrap up this interview, jackie. i sympathize with you. it's wreaking havoc on everyone's lives. i know you put a lot into this event. >> yes. >> but we need to be honest about -- >> i would like to celebrate the women who won that evening. diana klein and paris regan. they will go on to mrs. america and they will prevail. safety first. >> all right. we will see. jackie, thanks for the discussion. >> you are sure welcome. >> thank you for coming on. >> next we'll fact check president trump's comments from the last 24 hours and the false claims he has made on everything from mail-in voting to coronavirus to election interference. when we started carvana, they told us

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badly. do you know who else isn't happy with us winning? russia. >> not so. in fact, the president's own intelligence officials, including his top intel not ials dedicated to election possible for foreign powers to interfere on a mass scale with fake ballots like that. that doesn't mean that foreign powers aren't trying to influence the election. but him saying that rush wra doesn't want him to win wasn't true in 2016, isn't true now. russia is actively working to hurt joe biden. china's efforts to influence the election is not in the same category as russia's sweep iing misinformation. and trump is trying to raise doubts about mail-in voting. >> i'll tell you who is meddling in our elections. the democrats are meddling by wanting mail-in ballots with corruption all over the place. >> there is not corruption all over the place.

before the pandemic, five states were using universal mail-in voting with success. others are following suit because of coronavirus. the president is trying to cast doubt about the outcome of the election. and you can tell by how he talked about recent new york primary race results that were delayed for weeks. >> what happened in new york, a small, relatively small race with carolyn maloney. and they called her the winner the other day because i was mentioning it at conferences and getting a lot of action on that statement. so they called her. they declared her the winner. and they have no idea who won. and the person, her opponent, is very angry. but they had mail-in voting and they had hundreds and i think even thousands of ballots that are missing, that were fraudulent. >> no. they lacked postmarks or they arrived late or lacked a signature so they weren't counted which is what conservatives argue in other cases should happen. eventually a judge ordered a thousand thrown-out ballots be

counted. the margin of the race is more than three times that. administrative problems, yes. outdated technology, yes. proving that new york and other states need to adjust to be ready for more mail-in ballots. there's zero evidence of fraudulent voting in the new york primaries. the president also said this. >> the obama campaign spied on our campaign, and they've been caught, all right? now let's see what happens to them. but they have been caught. they've been caught red handed. it's probably treason. it's a horrible thing they did. it probably never happened before. at least nobody got caught doing it. but they used the intelligence agencies of our country to spy on my campaign. and they have been caught. >> wrong. the fbi was probing the trump campaign, but there was not evidence that it was at obama's direction. they did it because they had a justification to do so. that is what the justice

department inspector general found last year, even as he found that the fbi made mistakes in its probe, but those mistakes were not due to political motives, the ig found. remember, though, this kind of claim isn't new for trump. during the election he claimed that the obama administration tapped his phones at trump tower. you'll probably remember that one. well, they didn't. it was a bold-faced lie. on coronavirus testing, the president again made this claim. >> countries in every continent are seeing increases in cases. we have a rapid increase only in cases where it's sort of interesting, because we're so far ahead in testing, we have more cases. >> now that one is a lie and it's nonsensical. many other countries have more tests per capita and they see less virus. cancer, for instance, would still exist if there were no tests for cancer. >> we've tested, i guess, close to 65 million people right now, and nobody is even close to that number. no other country is close.

india would be second at 11 million. and they have 1.5 billion people. >> so wrong. india has not conducted 11 million. they've conducted more than 24 million tests. and the u.s. is actually short on testing. >> nobody, not one person in this country that needed a ventilator didn't get it. and you know at the beginning there was a big shortage of ventilators. nobody had stockpiles or anything comparable to what you had to have. >> actually, the obama administration left 19,000 ventilators, as well as a detailed pandemic plan. next falsehood. >> nobody understood it because nobody has ever seen anything like this. the closest thing is in 1917, they say, right? >> no. wrong year. it was 1918. >> the great pandemic certainly was a terrible thing where they lost anywhere from 50 to 100 million people, probably ended

the second world war. all the soldiers were sick. >> the pandemic did not end world war ii, because world war ii was decades later. the pandemic also didn't end world war i. it did end 675,000 american lives, according to the cdc, and we would be best to remember it accurately, as we try not to repeat history. i want to bring in jim sciutto, chief correspondent and also the author of the new book which, congratulations, jim, this is it here on the scene. "the madman theory: trump takes on the world." i have questions for you about your book, jim. officer i want to talk about this new intelligence finding that foreign powers are indeed interfering in u.s. elections once again. what's going on here? where is the outrage? where is the action? and do you think that americans have become numb to this? >> russia, four years later, is interfering again in this election to help donald trump win. that's a remarkable thing. yes, it is true.

the intelligence assessment also says that china and iran are interfering to hurt trump. i think we should look at this with a pattern, though, right? russia is using the same tools it used in 2016 to benefit the president. 20 2016, of course, they directed their fire at hillary clinton, releasing emails through wikileaks, dnc emails stolen, john podesta emails. now what's happen something funneling information damaging to joe biden. the sad fact is that you have the participation now of sitting u.s. lawmakers, right? senator ron johnson in touch with a russian-backed ukrainian politician is helping to supply this information. that's notable. also to the president, again you have a president who refuses to call out russia for this interference, to warn them away. and that's something americans need to be aware of, right? regardless of who you want, we all want an election that is

fair and free of foreign interference. so, why four years later will the president not state those words, those very simple words, we will not stand for this? it's remarkable to watch it play out go once again. >> it certainly is. the president breaking the norm there. his norm breaking in general goes to the heart of your new book "the madman theory:ps trump takes on the world." trump's madman theory requires a trade-off, a leader even of the most powerful country in the world cannot be both a reliable partner and an unpredictable mad man. in many respects adversaries nor allies want to deal with the mad man. tim neftali believes they want something different, a cage, he said. how was this madman strategy, how has this impacted u.s. foreign policy? >> so the book starts with the originator of the madman theory, richard nixon, dlebtly

communicated to north korea that he was just mad enough to order a nuclear strike to try to intimidate them into a better situation. it didn't work, and he wasn't serious, but that was the threat. 50 years later, trump is -- argues that he uses that unpredictability, right, to keep people off balance. the thing about trump is that he uses that not just against adversaries but equally so against allies, nato allies, south korea in its ongoing standoff with north korea. mexico and canada in trade evaluations, but the other aspect that is equally or perhaps even more alarming is that he keeps his own staff and senior advisers on edge. and they don't know what his next move is. we saw that with, for instance to the two withdrawal orders.

he tweeted it out. upset u.s. national security policy on the ground there. that is trump's innovation if you want to call that, with the madman theory. the trouble is it's had a lot of negative consequences, done a lot of damage to relationships with america's closest partners. >> and you outline that. thank you so much, jim, for coming on to tell us about your book, "the madman theory: trump takes on the world." it's out today and on my night stand already. >> thank you, brianna. appreciate it. >> in danger of losing their jobs because of gridlock and the pandemic, senate cafeteria workers. plus alyssa mil a. no claims she's losing her hair after a months long battle with the coronavirus.

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we have breaking news. joe biden has selected his running mate and the announcement will come as early as today. let's go live now to jeff zeleny. tell us what we know and what we don't know at this point. >> brianna, good afternoon. we are told by two people familiar with this search that former vice president joe biden has, indeed, selected his running mate. he has selected the person, the woman whom he will run against president trump with. he made that decision or revealed that decision to a couple top advisers, and now the plan will be set into motion. the announcement formally could come as early as today. of course, the timing is all his and all the campaign's. quite critically here, we do know he has made a decision. of course, we know in the last three months -- this has been a long process. he has been looking at extensively at least 11 women to join him on the ticket. he made that pledge some five

months ago that he would, indeed, choose a woman to run with him. in the final days he has been weeding this down and talking, holding face-to-face and remote confessi conversations with his finalist of contenders. we don't know who his choice is. we do just know right now that indeed he has settled on his running mate. that will be up to him and the timing of his campaign to reveal that. we do know that they plan to appear together at a fund-raiser, joint virtual fu fund-rais fund-raiser. that will be their coming out party if you will and the tnc convention is next week. >> do we know when that joint fund-raiser is, jeff? >> on the day that he makes his announcement. it could come as early as today. that is the timing that we are expecting. we are expecting this announcement to be coming soon, perhaps yet this afternoon. but again, the timing is something that he controls. that fund-raiser will happen.

it's going to be essentially their first debut, if you will. we do know he has been narrowing down aist of contenders. california senator kamala harris has been certainly leading the list there, at least in terms of the anticipation of who he will choose. he has also looked at michigan governor gretchen witmer. he had her fly to delaware for a face-to-face meeting and former obama national security adviser susan rice. we don't know his choice but do know he has made one. >> all right. i want to go to arlette saenz, live in delaware. this is like a cat and mouse game, trying to figure out what's going on here, right, arlette? we've known hissically running mates will sneak out of the back of their houses and try to evade detection. this is something that the surprise element is so important for a candidate.

it's so important for joe biden, as it has been for other candidates. >> yeah, that's certainly right. typically with all these types of announcements, the campaigns work really hard to keep things under wraps, to keep it secret when they're coming to meet with the candidate who will be making their decision. the only person that we know did have an in-person meeting with joe biden is gretchen witmer, the governor of michigan. recently within the past week and a half, she traveled from michigan to delaware to meet with the former vice president, to talk about that possible running mate job. so while we know that biden has had in-person and other conversations with some of these women, we don't exactly know the format that some of those took. and biden, over the weekend, he spent the weekend in rehoboth, delaware, where his family has a beach house. he returned here to wilmington. there have been reporters who are staking out his home to see if there's any movement coming in and out. but certainly right now since we

are all still operating within this time of coronavirus, you could have these candidates potentially appear virtually, separately. we don't exactly know if the running mate will be traveling to delaware at some point. but there's all these little bits and clues that we're trying to read in these final days and hours to try to get a hint as to who that running mate might be. >> arlette, thank you. i want to bring in david chalian into this conversation. okay, david, we know he has picked someone. we don't know who it is. we certainly know some of the things that he may or may not be looking for in a running mate and what some of the considerations may be as he sort of plays out this calculus about what is -- how a running mate can help him take on president trump. >> he's also looking for how a running mate turns into a vice president potentially and helps him govern. first and foremost, biden has

said he's looking for somebody who can take over the job on day one at a moment's notice if need be, someone that can be a real governing partner and somebody, to your point, brianna, that can help him win this election this fall. i do think there isn't going to be, likely, a ton of time between learning, as jeff zeleny has reported, that joe biden has made a decision, informed top advisers and us learning who it is. it doesn't seem that that's going to be able to remain secret for all that much longer after joe biden has started, himself, informing people, you know, outside of his own mind, outside of a private conversation with his wife to start executing a plan. >> so, do we know who he is most trying to attract? i ask this with a mind to thinking of a conversation that i had with s.e. cuppabo about h she has voted republican or

considered herself republican in the past, now thinking about voting for joe biden, she would want to see kamala harris and her vote for joe biden may be contingent on who he picks. at the same time he also has to signal to the more liberal wing of his party. so what is his biggest concern? >> i think we should take a step back for a moment and note that on the whole, for the most part, brianna, the number two pick doesn't have a ton of impact. in fact, the impact that the vice presidential pick can have in the electoral calculation you're speaking of is usually one that's negative, like a sarah palin perhaps for john mccain. but nonetheless, it is part of the calculation. i do think joe biden is looking to bolster his standing with a few pieces of the democratic constituencies, young voters, african-american voters. he wants to see the numbers go back up to where they were in the obama-era election in 2008

and 2012 with those critical base groups. as you've seen in the polling, he's also appealing to voters that not many democrats thought they would be able to win over in presidential election, senior citizens seem to be coming joe biden's way right now. even some of the white working class noncollege educated voters that is totally donald trump's base, we've seen joe biden have some appeal there. i do think he looks at who can join and be a force multiplier with some key part, key constituencies of the trtic party to juice that turnout as high as it can possibly be? taking on an incumbent president, even one currently suffering in the polls, is no easy task. >> david chalian, senior political director. if you can stay with me, we're about to be joined by a cast of our colleagues here, van jones,

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news. cnn reporting that joe biden has selected his running mate and the announcement will come as early as today. i want to bring in m.j. lee. and it is important to note, this is an important role. when you look at the role that the current vice president is playing here in the middle of a pandemic, this could likely be a person who is playing a major

role in pandemic response if joe biden were to prevail in november. >> that is right, brianna. i think it is worth just taking a beat to really take in what a historic running mate selection process this has been. we are still in the middle of this pandemic. and the search process for joe biden in trying to figure out who his running mate should be has all been playing out in the middle of the covid-19 crisis. and some of my colleagues earlier before the break were talking about how this process is famously secretive. we have a hard time getting news and information about who is being considered, who has been interviewed. and in past elections, you know, potential vice presidential running mates have gone through a lot of hurdles and jumped through a lot of different obstacles to try to keep the fact that they're being considered a running mate in secret and this year that has been on steroids because it has

been a lot more difficult for members of the media to travel, to stake out some of the potential running mates as we normally would. so this is a process of extreme secrecy. but as jeff zeleny has reported, at least the decision-making process for joe biden, that process is over. he now does have a decision. i think it is going to be very, very interesting to see what kind of role this future running mate of joe biden plays as the pandemic unfolds, obviously one of the people mentioned as a serious contender is gretchen whitmer and she is somebody talked about a lot in the context of how she's handled the crisis in her own state. >> m.j., stay with us. i want to bring in van jones and angela rye and terry mcauliffe to be with us for this discussion. van, to you first, and when we're taking a look at the women considered, susan rice, senator

kamala harris, tammy duckworth, governor gretchen whitmer and congresswoman karen bass, who do you think would, and let's go through the different groups here, who do you think would most help energize the base? >> well, listen, first of all it is an all-star cast. i'm one of the people that believes this is the time for an african-american woman to be given that opportunity. black women have been saving the democratic party election after election but have never been given the chance to help lead it. and so i'm for any of the african-american women. but that is not saying anything negative about gretchen or about tammy duckworth. in those women, you have some of the strongest leaders in the country and i'm excited to find out which one he's going with. >> angel, what do you think? >> i'm tired of playing the guessing game, brianna. for two weeks, i'm sitting here, my chest is -- i'm going to cry.

so finally. just breathing a sigh of relief. you may seen yesterday on new day i said it is time for kamala harris. we've seen everything going on in the country from covid disparity to what happened with george floyd and beona taylor, we've seen that just public sentiment even shift, not just for black lives matter but also for kamala harris. kamala harris's favorables are higher than elizabeth warren. we know is not in contention any more. but what i think is really important is that people go through a process where they're vetted and you see the negatives and the positives, whereeem deeply frustrated by this process that seems chaotic and perhaps a little disorganized, is that all of the black women's issues, some that are real issues and some not at all, all of the challenges have been front and center red meat for the media to just tear apart. and there was a letter written

by several hundred black women that came out last week, of course van signed on to this solidary from black man yesterday and we talk about how they are talking about in the media. why am i bringing that up. because to van's poin, the black women has been the backbone and now it is time to be the front bone and because we've always been there but never gotten that recognition. >> governor, what do you think? >> i don't think it is going to be a political decision of who will help him politically. i've known joe biden for 40 years. he's making the decision about who he thinks could be the best partner. this is about the american people and the tens of millions of people who have lost their jobs over the last couple of months and about the 5 million people and families and friends who have been impacted, who have gotten the coronavirus, who is it that could help him lead this economy, rebuild an economy, and as bad as covid has been, the

real challenge for the vice president is going to be how do you build a new economy here in america that is inclusive. for 40 or 50 years many americans have not benefited from the upsurge in the economy. this is time for joe biden to take the leadership with a vice president to build an entirely new all-inclusive academy and deal with the pandemic and he'll come into office. we need an infrastructure bill and an immigration bill right off the bat and get back in the paris climate agreement and do these things in the first 100 days. so for me, and my knowledge and understanding of knowing joe for a long time, that person will best get this economy moving again and get america's strength back and that is most important thing. it is been a deliberative process. will do it on his terms. no one will push him. he had many qualified candidates to pick from and he's going with who is most qualified and he wants a relationship like he had with president obama. a great working relationship.

>> we'll see. we'll hang in there because this could be moments away. we'll see which one of you is right, which two or three is right here. >> i feel like i'm the only one who gets it right. >> thanks for that. we're moments away from joe biden's pick for a running mate. we have more news ahead.

>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. here we go. i'm brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn, thank you for being with me. breaking news in the 2020 race. after weeks and weeks of speculation, the former vice president joe biden has made it official. telling top advisers that he has selected the woman he thinks will help him win the white house come november and he's set to reveal her name