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historic arc of this country. a short time ago, joe biden chose senator kamala harris of california to be his running mate for the democratic presidential ticket. she is the first black woman, the first asian american woman, the first candidate whose marriage is multi-racial. harris is the product of an american dream that began beyond these shores. her mother and father, both immigrants, from india and jamaica respectively, not only rose to prominent positions in academia, but marched in the civil rights movement, giving what harris has controlled a "stroller-eye view" of activism from a young age. president obama said in part, i've known senator harris for a long time, she's more than prepared for the job, she spent her career defending her constitution and fighting for folks who need a fair shake, her own story is one that i and many others can see themselves in. no matter where you come from, what you look like, how you

worship, who you love, there's a place for you here. i it's a fundamentally american perspective. it's a perspective we can all rally behind right now. more from our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny. >> we're learning some new details. we are told that about 90 minutes before this announcement was made, which was about 4:15 or so here in the east, so about 2:45 or so senator harris was at her washington condo and received a phone call with a job offer from former vice president joe biden. they have been talking throughout this process and had at least one meeting we know of, a virtual meeting before this but it was an offer of a job to join the presidential ticket, the democratic ticket there. this is the end of what had been a three-month process or so and ended in the place that many democrats thought it would at the very beginning. they have always seen senator harris as one of the strongest choices largely because of her experience on the campaign trail.

she has been a test at least in the former vice president's eyes, but he did look at at least 11 other women. of course, he pledged at the final debate of the democratic primary he would put a woman on the ticket, so that certainly was the guiding principle through all of this. it was a robust vetting, but in the end senator harris was perhaps the lead choice all along. >> as your understanding is, why did the former vice president feel she was the strongest contender? >> he really looked at this, but we're told one of the central principles was his own relationship with former president barack obama, who i am told acted as a sounding board in this process. he did not put the thumb on the scale, say who he favored or preferred, but it was that relationship, i'm told, that the former vice president joe biden was looking for, a governing partner, someone he could be loyal and trustworthy. and more importantly, the fact that she had national campaign

experience. joe biden knows how hard it is to run for president so he wanted someone who was tested out there. the historic nature of this choice. there is no question the challenges facing the country. rebuilding after the protests of the summer. the economy. the coronavirus. this is something he thought she was ready for. so there is a combination of factors, but certainly the historic choice and the fact she had run before. and she is a bridge to a new generation. he talked about that repeatedly, that he is simply a placeholder. she's 55 years old. almost 20 years younger than him and finally, anderson, it was the connection to beau biden. she served as california attorney general. he was the delaware attorney general. this is the late vice president's son who is a guiding light to him. his relationship and their working relationship that made her almost seem like family to the bidens despite their rivalry during the campaign, something that obviously, joe biden was able to move on beyond. >> yeah, jeff zeleny, thanks.

wilmington, delaware, where vice president biden and senator harris are expected to appear tomorrow for the first time for the democratic ticket. do we know much about how today played out for her? >> well, we know that joe biden made that zoom call to give her the news that he would be selecting kamala harris as his running mate. kamala harris spent a few days in washington d.c. before this. and tomorrow we expect she will be here appearing alongside joe biden for the first time as his vice presidential pick. they will be doing an event, giving remarks here in wilmington, delaware. right after that they are participating in a grassroots virtual fund-raiser, the first time that they will be connecting with their supporters as they are looking to energize this democratic base heading into the november election.

and the last time, you know, biden and kamala harris faced off several times over the course of the democratic primary, but the first time that they actually appeared together after harris had endorsed biden was in early march at a campaign rally in detroit that actually was the last major rally that biden did before the coronavirus pandemic brought campaigning to a complete standstill. and at that event as jeff kind of talked about, that was the event where biden said he considered himself to be the bridge to the future of the democratic party. it was on that stage where he had kamala harris on one side and standing on the other side of him was michigan governor gretchen whitmer and cory booker was also there, new jersey senator. so this is a very also symbolic pick thinking back to the moment where he stood alongside and said he viewed himself as a bridge to the future.

as jeff noted, kamala harris had this relationship with beau biden, and that really can't be understated in this whole process. biden rolling this out said that beau biden, his late son, he valued his opinion more than anybody else's, and that played a major factor in this decision. it's going to be a busy few weeks for kamala harris as she steps into this running mate role. there is that slate of events tomorrow. i'm told that finance team is also preparing fundraisers for her to do over the course of the next month. and then one week from tomorrow she'll be delivering that speech where she accepts the vice presidential nomination at the democratic convention in a virtual format. >> you followed joe biden on the campaign trail. do you know much about their actual relationship? i mean, obviously, as you said, she knew, had worked with his son. do we know how much of an actual relationship that have with each other? >> well, you know, they encountered each other several times over the course of the democratic primary, at debates and other larger presidential forums.

they have had a friendly relationship. i recall one photo where kamala harris was driving and saw joe biden walking, and she jumped out of her car to take this photo with joe biden. they have been friendly over the years. that relationship with beau biden will be a big factor as they start to form the building blocks of this working relationship. biden is looking to replicate that relationship that he had with president obama. and while he and kamala harris may not be incredibly close at the beginning, he sees a long term potential to develop that relationship over the coming years, should they make it to the white house. >> and clearly overcame any animosity about the confrontation they had at that first debate. ar lert science, appreciate it very much. in february during the democratic primary, biden was seen at a town hall and asked a simple question about the process of picking a running mate.

what would be his criteria when it came time to choose? >> i have to pick someone, if god forbid something happened tomorrow if i contracted what my son had or something like, that the person is ready on day one to be president of the united states. but the second criteria is i very much like my administration to look like the country, like barack and my administration looked like. black, brown, women, men, gay, straight, across the board to look like the country. as vice president, i think it would be wonderful to have a woman or a person of color as vice president. >> joining us now, gloria borger, abby phillip, bakari sellers and nia mallika henderson. senator harris is the first black woman on a general election ticket. it's a historic night. while it may not have been a surprising choice in the list of people he was choosing, when you step back, and you pointed this out earlier in the day, i mean,

it is, no matter how far this country has come, it's still startling for many people. >> yeah, it is. we'll have to see how voters actually respond to this. you know, i made the comment that it was a risky pick given what we know about the forces of american racism and sexism. forces we've seen play out quite boldly in 2016. obviously, with hillary clinton facing sexism and then if you just look at the history of women who have been on tickets, geraldine feraro, and then sarah palin. and way back to shirley chism. her goal was to broaden americans' imagination in terms of who they thought could hold positions of power. what we know presently is that america has not been comfortable with having black women in positions of power. there are very few black women in corporate america who are ceos, black women bosses. there's never been a black woman

who is governor. there have only been two black women who have been senators. this idea that this is inevitable and safe, it isn't safe. and listen, some african americans who i've talked to are worried about what does this actually mean for the ticket? you know, democrats obviously relying on suburban white voters to pull the lever for joe biden and now kamala harris. will kamala harris in someways end up being a turn off for some of these voters? because we've seen what happened in the past with some of these voters being uncomfortable with black people holding power, and certainly, never necessarily pulling the lever for a black woman. so this is joe biden asking voters to do something that they have never done before. and we saw, right, in this past primary the safe choice was joe biden. when hillary clinton wanted to make a vice presidential pick, her safe choice was a white man. when barack obama wanted to make

his pick in 2008, the safe choice was a white man. so this notion that somehow this is conventional, this is safe, and this is inevitable, just not borne out by the facts. and also, i think it erases the enormous work that has gone into this. not only from kamala harris herself but the generations of black women who came before her and current black women who really put this notion out there, that it was time to have a black woman at this level. >> abby, joe biden called himself a transitional figure. we talked about just a short time ago. he would be the oldest president ever elected. there are a lot of people that believe he wouldn't run for a second term, obviously, if he gets elected. that's one step if he decides to run again. that would be another step. how much does it raise the stakes for the pick that joe biden decided to make? certainly, it raises stakes for kamala harris as a candidate and potentially as a vice president. >> it's incredibly important, anderson.

this is such a consequential pick for any vice president, but certainly for one who -- i think a lot of people of the democratic party believes might only serve one term. for joe biden, this choice was about deciding who he thought was the most likely to be able to carry on a mantle after he was to leave office. kamala harris is someone who for a long time in the democratic party has been seen as a bright rising star. and one of the things that i've been told by people close to them over the last couple months, especially after she left the democratic race is that biden was careful to really extend a hand, to keep communication up between the two of them, encouraging her to remain a part of the party. because inevitably, i think he understood no matter whether he picked her as a vice president or chose her in another capacity, she would have a critical role. you know, kamala harris is someone who is not easy,

necessarily, to put into a mold. one of the challenges of the trump campaign is going to face in the coming months is figuring out how to position her. she was able to -- she took some positions in the primary that many people viewed as being geared toward progressives, but in you look at her record, she has a more nuanced record in her time as attorney general. as a political figure who is both very well known, because she's been vetted in the democratic process, she is also someone who i think there is still quite a lot that the political universe does not know or understand about her. and in that respect she has an opportunity to write her own story in conjunction with joe biden for the future of the democratic party. so we'll see what that actually ends up looking like. but that is one of the reasons that this pick so is important, because unlike many of these other candidates he was considering, she is young.

she has long been viewed as the future of the party. and she has this ability to continue to write her narrative going forward and not just be defined by her past political jobs and ambitions. >> bakari, there is the historic piece of this in the arc of american history, and then there's also the very practical things that she brings to the ticket. i wonder if you could talk about both. >> yeah, the arc of justice that always moves slowly, and i think black women -- not i think, i know that black women have toiled in the proverbial vineyard long enough. we listen to -- i speak to kamala often and she says blank women are tired of being thanked. they have been the backbone of the democratic party for generation after generation after generation and for a long period of time been taken for granted. joe biden, uniquely enough, has been a transcended figure in democratic politics. yes, joe biden has been a transcended figure in democratic

politics. he was a vice president for barack obama and now chosen kamala harris. so kamala, she stands on the shoulders of not just fanny lou and not just ella baker, she stands on the shoulders of shirley chism, hillary clinton, et cetera, et cetera. she understands that. this is a phenomenal pick tonight and i must say this, and i don't want to erase her mother at all because we have to remember she is the first woman of asian american, indian american descent to actually be at the top of the ticket. and so this is a fascinating night. and what we're seeing with the two parties is the narrow focus is going to be on the fact that donald trump and the trump campaign have no way and they do not know how to deal with kamala harris. it very difficult to say kamala is a cop, and then be a law and order president. those two things simply do not mesh. not only are they ahistorical and inaccurate, but the message

is simply they collide, so that's first. but second, it shows that the republican party and democratic party are going in two vastly different directions. the country is becoming more diverse, the country is becoming more brown. joe biden and kamala harris represent the demographics what the country will be and donald trump and steven miller and mike pence represent a day that's passed. so what i would say tonight is while donald trump and mike pence want to cheer on the confederacy, trying to figure out how to get their face on mt. rushmore, what we're trying to do is reimagine what this country will look like. that's what joe biden and kamala harris represent. it goes back and hearkens to a time where americans can feel good about being first and about thinking about what our country can be, full of hope and faith. >> you know, gloria, it's often said the picking of a vice president is the first most important decision that a president makes. i'm wondering what you think the process was like for joe biden.

>> well, i think it was lengthy and typical of joe biden, i know from talking to my sources, that he read everything. and even though he knew some of these women from debating them or serving with them in the senate, he watched them as they appeared on television. he interviewed them. and he considered it all in terms of who he was as vice president. and spoke with barack obama about this. and understands what it is that a president values in a vice president. and i think, of course, that's loyalty and that's confidence, somebody who can govern from day one. and what this also in an interesting way tells you about joe biden, and i was emailing with one of his top advisers today, in choosing someone who did go after him on the debate stage, he showed he is not donald trump. you heard donald trump at his press conference today talk

about how, quote, nasty kamala harris is. that's a word he likes to use with women, i might point out. and this is just the opposite of that. biden got dinged by her on the debate stage and moved on because that's who he is. >> any woman who seems strong or asks a tough question -- >> is nasty. >> nasty. that's the word -- >> or black, anderson, or black. >> there is that, yes. everyone, thank you. still ahead, a look at kamala harris' presidential campaign during the presidential season with a reporter that followed her every step of the way. later, the people and events who helped form who harris is, from her early life to her rise in california politics today. shishito. burrito. raw kitfo. fried shiso.

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we're going to take a look at the long road senator kamala harris traveled to become the presumptive vice president nominee that began in january to cheers and applause from supporters. >> so let's remember in this fight we have the power of the people. we can achieve the dreams of our parents and grandparents. we can heal our nation. we can give our children the future they deserve. we can reclaim the american dream for every single person in our country.

and we can restore america's moral leadership on this planet. so let's do this. >> let's bring in kyung law who covered senator harris from the announcement to the day she dropped out. what was it like following her on the campaign trail? >> reporter: that example that you just played, that launch in oakland, it really was emblematic of the fascination that people had with her on the campaign trail. there were about 20,000 people according to the police department spilling into the streets of oakland. and it's something that you really felt along the way. people wanted to be around her. there was a charisma, a fascination, for lack of a better word, a bit of celebrity surrounding kamala harris. they always wanted to show up, take a selfie, and get close to her. that's something that you felt

regardless of whether you were in iowa, new hampshire, or in oakland, california. and something that also i found really poignant is that harris took a lot of pictures. i snapped this picture exactly a year ago. i caught her in a moment that she was just preparing to take the stage in mt. pleasant, iowa, a very, very small town, like all the other events, it was extremely packed. this is a year ago as she's preparing to take the stage. she's now preparing to take the stage as the vice presidential candidate for the democratic party. not exactly where she had pictured herself a year ago, but certainly an important role nonetheless and a historic one. >> she dropped out of her campaign to get the nomination for president. you spoke obviously to a lot of her supporters at campaign events. what kind of audiences did she appeal to? >> this is really something the biden campaign was paying attention to. if you went to a kamala harris

event, no matter where it was, you saw an incredible amount of diversity. it was majority female, almost every single event i went to. and again, regardless of the demographics of the town, it was incredibly diverse as the town would bear. and there were a lot of parents, a lot of suburban women and mothers bringing their young daughters to the event so they could see the example of kamala harris. that's a different sort of energy and a different audience and a different level of interest and passion and identity that the biden campaign must have taken notice of. >> what ultimately went wrong for her? after the first debate where she went after biden, her numbers rose, she got a lot of focus and attention. she got slammed at the second debate by biden, and i can't remember who else it was that went after her. i think it was klobuchar. what went wrong? >> well, right after that first

debate, it was in the days right after where she couldn't quite articulate the nitty gritty of policy, of exactly what she felt, and explaining it in a clear, cohesive manner and being consistent. but remember, this is a very different time politically for the democratic party. so at this point, we're talking about how you felt about medicare for all, how you felt about segregation, busing and what that meant. those are issues that really are important to the democratic party but different when you put it within the context of going against donald trump. so very different time today, anderson. but yes, it was sort of that nitty-gritty that stumbled her. >> kyung law, appreciate it. thanks. there is a lot of talk of history tonight. we want to get perspective of people who have made a bit of their own. members of the congressional black caucus and sheila jackson lee. delegate eleanor holmes norton. appreciate both of you.

congresswoman jackson lee, i wonder your thoughts as you reflect on this candidacy. >> well, we're making history tonight, joining myself with a great leader herself. eleanor holmes norton. i'm delighted to be with her. there was much reflection but a lot of tears and a lot of reflection on the history of what we're making today. what i would say is that so many women have tried to climb that mountaintop that dr. martin luther king spoke of in the early 1800s during the truth, tried to move into the suffragette movement. we know madam c.j walker, tried to be a businesswoman. madam jordan, fanny lou. today it is evident there is an affirmation of not only black women, but women of southeast asia, women of color that they have finally reached a status where they are affirmed in this nation as equal partners, and this mountain that we have all been trying to climb, kamala has

taken us to the mountaintop. it's an enormously important moment and it's based upon her own history and talent as she led such a large department in the a.g.'s office. 4,800 staff, $700 million budget. it is now affirmed that women can lead. >> congresswoman norton, i guess the same question to you. a couple of weeks past congressman john lewis' funeral, of course. we're seeing racial inequalities in american society. you know, clearly in the forfront of people's minds. what does senator harris on the ticket mean to you? >> well, anderson, they have thrown out or at least biden threw out the old playbook where you look to balance the ticket for -- for instance, geographically. she's from california, he's going to get that state anyway.

so he wanted a new way to, quote, balance the history, the ticket. he wanted to make history. and that's what he has done. we've had white women on the ticket. we've never had an african-american woman. and he also needed to excite the ticket. we hear below the surface, we hear the notion that he's got a lot of support but the excitement is not yet there. i think this woman will bring excitement that the ticket needs. she went to howard university. i have to say, representing the district of columbia, there's very special pride in that. it also shows that biden is a very big man. he doesn't hold grudges because none of his opponents went at him in quite the way that kamala harris did. >> congresswoman jackson lee, you worked with senator harris on criminal justice reform. there are some in the black lives matter movement, for

instance, who may look at some younger people in particular, who may look at her record as district attorney and say, well, you know, they would have liked to have seen her do more on criminal justice reform when she was part of the system. what do you say to that argument to convince people otherwise? >> well, first of all, we have to know that kamala was both a local prosecutor, senator hase ris, as well as an attorney general. i look to the fact that she won the state of california with progressives and moderates and in between, and that she ran this enormous department. but what i saw when policy became her purview, as soon as she walked into the united states senate, we worked on her passion, bail reform, to not hold people that had not been prosecuted. she began to work on mandatory

minimums, sentencing reduction, ultimately prison reform, working on incarcerated women, and frankly joined me on the juneteenth holiday. when she had the chance to engage in policy, she was astute, well informed, and she had the passion of knowing the history of her heritage. and by the way, she joined a sorority, and that's a big deal. happens to be alpha kappa alpha. she had a holistic view to her service, and that service was, when there were problems, when there were problems in the criminal justice system, she had no fear of bringing her policy and her knowledge of criminal justice law, of criminal law, to the table of reform. that's what i like about senator harris. she was prepared to tackle this head on and she didn't allow her past history of being a prosecutor to stop her from being merciful and changing the laws. >> congresswoman norton, it's

interesting with that -- earlier nia mallika henderson was saying, this was a safe choice for him, this is the expected choice. she was pointing out, look, this is a risky choice. there is still systemic racism, there is still -- this is a barrier that has not been broken. do you think the country is ready? >> for an african-american woman? >> yes. >> oh, i believe so. i believe so because the country seems to have tired of the same old way to approach the presidency. if you are joe biden, you need to show that you're not from the old school. one way to show you're not from the old school is to choose an african-american woman. we have seen that women, who by the way are the reason we took

back the house of representatives, are driving this election cycle. and when you consider what has been in the streets about d.a. and reform from george floyd's murder, i think that kamala harris can turn on its head the role as a d.a. to be sure, she did some reforming of the d.a.'s role. but here where that role was at the top of the consciousness, she will be able to say, i know exactly what to do now that the streets have been taken over by people who want just the kind of reform she has had experience in and can lead further. >> congresswoman jackson lee, it's one thing to -- she has run a national campaign, unsuccessfully, but she has also

run very tough campaigns. she's been in the arena for a while now. one gets better. the more you're out there, the more you campaign, when you're in the game. how important do you think that is, and how important do you think that was for vice president biden, to know he was picking somebody who had experience in the rough and tumble of not only had she been vetted, but just in the rough and actual delve day-to-day campaigning? >> anderson, that is why this is also so doubly significant. because those of us who know joe biden and know his heart and have seen him work, his great effort as part of his legislative agenda was the violence against women act, know he has always affirmed women. but he knows this, having been through a number of campaigns himself, this is not a party. and as evidenced by the first words from president trump, negative words about the relationship between the

president, vice president, and senator harris as it related to the debate. she has been in the rough and tumble. she can respond very clearly in attacks that will come against her. the good news is in her own presidential campaign, she reached suburban women, urban and rural areas. she didn't leave any area out. and she was gracious and engaging in all areas. she will be an asset in the outreach to those communities and women being over 51%, but more importantly, in the horde knocks of politics and campaigning, i think senator harris will astutely be able to handle what will come at her. they will use the vice presidency against joe biden. the trump campaign will do so, they are doing so now. but she is knowledgeable in intel, knowledgeable in

judiciary and issues of law, and i think she will be far ready for that campaign. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, ella holmes norton, thank you. we'll take a closer look who biden has chosen to be his running made and how kamala harris has made history in more ways than one next.

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randi kaye has a profile of joe biden's running mate. >> i describe myself as a proud american. >> reporter: kamala harris can add two more words to that description, running mate. the first black woman nominated in that role. >> i stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the united states. >> reporter: it wasn't that long ago kamala harris had her own plans to unseat president donald trump. >> i feel a sense of responsibility to stand up and fight for the best of who we are. and i'm prepared to fight, and i know how to fight. >> reporter: big dreams for the daughter of two immigrants, who she says came to america to pursue their own dreams. kamala harris was born in 1964. the daughter of a jamaican father and indian mother. she attended both a christian church and a hindu temple as a young girl while growing up near oakland, california. her parents separated when she was just 7 years old. harris later attended howard university. the historically black

university in washington, d.c. she began her law career after returning to california. >> it was just a couple blocks from this very spot nearly 30 years ago as a young district attorney, i walked into the courtroom for the first time. >> reporter: harris became san francisco's district attorney in 2004. >> congratulations, attorney general. >> reporter: in 2011 she became california's first black female attorney general. she considered herself an innovator on crime, including a controversial truancy program which threatened to jail parents for failing to get their children to school. she married an l.a. lawyer in 2014 and has two stepchildren that call her mamala. in 2017, harris became only the second black woman elected to the u.s. senate. it was there senator harris' experience as a prosecutor was on full display. her no-nonsense, rapid-fire,

slicing and dicing of testimony during key televised hearings kept witnesses on their toes. when she grilled then attorney general jeff sessions whether he had contacts with russian nationals during the 2016 campaign, he practically pleaded for mercy. >> i can't -- i'm not able to be rushed this fast, it makes me nervous. >> reporter: in 2018 she set her sights on trump's pick for the supreme court, brett kavanaugh. >> can you think of any laws that give government the power to make decisions about the male body? >> i'm happy to answer a more specific question, but -- >> male versus female. >> reporter: last year, senator harris took on attorney general william barr. >> has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone, yes or no, please, sir? >> the president or anybody else?

>> seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> reporter: she also took on her now running mate. >> i do not believe you are a racist, and i agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground. but i also believe, and it's personal. and i was actually very -- it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations and career on segregation of race in this country. and it was not only that but you also worked with them to oppose busing. and, you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> reporter: despite harris' story, some have challenged her racial identity and criticized her for identifying as black

when her parents are jamaican and indian. >> i'm black, and i'm proud of being black. i was born black, i will die black, and i'm proud of being black, and i'm not going to make any excuses for anybody, because they don't understand. this is the same thing they did to barack. they're trying to do what has been happening over the last two years, which is powerful voices trying to sow hate and division among us. we need to recognize when we're being played. >> reporter: harris ran on medicare for all and opposes the death penalty and hesitant to commit on reparations. she likes the green new deal and in favor of legalizing marijuana. she's also a proponent of lgbtq rights. >> i now declare you spouses for life. >> reporter: officiating at the first legal same-sex marriage in california back in 2013. in march after biden became the presumptive nominee, kamala harris officially threw her

support his way. >> i have decided that i am with great enthusiasm going to endorse joe biden for president of the united states. i believe in joe. i really believe in him and i have known him for a long time. >> reporter: once a challenger, now a partner. >> i intend to fight for truth and transparency and trust. i intend to fight. >> reporter: with the biden/harris ticket set, they could soon make history. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> we'll have more on kamala harris in the next hour. there is news on the pandemic front from vladimir putin, of all people. he claims russia has approved the world's first covid-19 vaccine. questions loom large over safety and effectiveness. we have the head of the state run bank funding the effort and sanjay's take on it next. e and tailored recommendations.

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vladimir putin took to state tv today to talk about what he's calling the world's first approval of a covid-19 vaccine. he said his daughter has taken it and has a slightly higher temperature after each dose but now she feels well. it's been named sputnik v. moscow is brushing off skepticism and concerns about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. we have the head of the russian direct investment fund that's bankrolling the research along with our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. early clinical trials of the vaccine haven't been peer

reviewed and there's no detailed data published about them. will that be forthcoming? if not, why not? >> well, yes, of course. all of the data will be published in august and russia is very forthcoming about the information. i think when we analyze this further, it's important to separate reaction to this in the u.s. and some western countries and the rest of the world. i can go into this a little bit later. >> thank you for joining us. you know, i've been following the vaccine trials from the start. things have moved at a remarkable pace, much faster than vaccine trials have in the past, but still many of them are starting phase three trials just now. how is it that you've already had a vaccine that's approved? has it gone through all the standard clinical trials that these types of vaccines go through? >> yeah, thank you, dr. gupta. i'm a great fan of your books a lot.

you need to understand several things about the russian vaccine. first of all, the history of very strong vaccine development in russia. you may know that katherine the great received vaccination in 1768 before any american vaccine was available for the next 30 years. frankly, we have great scientists, but also russia had a headstart on this vaccine because there was lots of work being done or mers. so we used the work on ebola and mers and had a platform that was tested on thousands of people. you know this platform very well, it's the human vector platform. the benefit of this platform is that it's been developed over the last six years, tested on thousands of people, and it's very different from monkey virus that cannot tested for a lot time and do not have long-term

status of those approaches. so we believe that the human vector is the way to go. as a company such as in china and johnson & johnson also use human investigators and we have a great technology if you understand you'll be impressed with. we used two different investigators to deliver this vaccine. we believe two shots are needed for long-term immunity and we need to have two different vectors. so we have great scientists. it went through clinical phase and phase two trials and the rollout in russia will be very gradual. we're not going to give it to 10 million people tomorrow. it's going to be a very gradual, careful rollout going forward. >> and i just want to be sure, i appreciate that explanation, mr. dmitriev. it's this question that you presumably generated neutralizing antibodies in response to this vaccine, which is something that a lot of these candidates are looking for.

but i think the question has still been are those neutralizing antibodies going to do the job, sir, right? if you give this to people, are they going to actually provide strong and long-term protection? and the only way to know that is to test is in tens of thousands of people of different ages and different sort of pre-existing conditions, all of that. isn't that necessary? because the message seems to be coming this is approved and ready to go. it doesn't sound like you're at that point yet. >> sure, you are right. the data will be forthcoming that on animals we have actually only labs that has lethal annual model and it showed 100% protection on animals. and also we really analyzed the clinical results we have. the rollout going forward will be very careful so we'll give it to high-risk groups going forward. the ethics is very important because how do you not give to

people something that we believe is proven and can save them when you have it? so it's not just an ethics of checking it but an ethics of protecting our front-line medical workers, people who are at high risk. those will be the people who will voluntarily receive the vaccine. so all of the data will be forthcoming and you will see it's very impressive data. i want to underscore two things. first of all, our vaccine platform is much more proven than some others out there. so if you have unproven mrma and you test it on 30,000 people, you still don't know long-term effects. the second point, the skepticism of the west is applied to many things russia does. if we were to introduce water into the u.s. market, we will get comments it was probably unsafe, there is vodka in it or the recipe was stolen. so we need to -- more data will be published as well. >> the world health organization, they said that, quote, accelerating vaccine research should be done following established processes

through every step of development to ensure that any vaccines that eventually go into production are both safe and effective. to those who are saying that this vaccine was rushed, i mean you believe it's been proven. how has it been proven effective? >> well, it's been proven through phase one, phase two trials. we will have phase three trials in many other countries, in the uae, saudi arabia, brazil and philippines. >> so you haven't done phase three? >> well, according to russian law, when you have a pandemic, when you have epidemia like this, you can do phase three with launching into high-risk groups which we are doing. we believe that's exactly the right approach, and this approach makes sense. the rest of the world knowing some of the science behind our vaccine really likes what they see.

we received 1 billion doses preorder of the vaccine. i think time will tell of the russian approach. i think in six months if it's successful, there will be lots of questions that will be asked, why would some other countries instead of studying it a little bit more, giving it some benefit of the doubt, sort of blindly reject it. i think it's related to other things like politics and not science. >> i just want to make sure we're addressing this clearly, sir. so the phase three trials are going to include these people who are considered high risk such as health care workers, for example. presumably you're going to get a diversity of people in terms of ages and pre-existing medical conditions. but you're just targeting a specific population it sounds like to begin phase three trials

and then you'll know with greater certainty whether or not this works. but you can't say that it works at this point? >> no, we can say that it works. you know, i've taken it myself. i've given it to my parents, to my wife. if you learn the science, and we're happy to share it with you, you will be much more convinced. other companies are following our steps, such as johnson & johnson and we will start massive vaccination of russians in october. this vaccine will be available to other countries around november. we know the technology works and we will publish the data in august and september to demonstrate that. so it's a gradual rollout in august and september will give of course some additional data, but our minister of health, our bureaucrats would not have approved it unless they were absolutely confident that the technology works, that it shows incredible safety and efficiency and safety is at the core of the vaccine because again, as i mentioned, it's proven over the last six years platform that russia had and had a headstart on it versus some other nations who started to use more novel approaches not proven before.

>> mr. dmitriev, i appreciate your time. i hope this works and we look forward to the release of the data that you said is going to be coming in august. we look forward to that. thanks very much. >> thank you so much. >> sanjay, i'll have more with you on this in the next hour. the presidential race has changed in a big way. how will kamala harris impact joe biden's bid going forward? much more on this coming up. thinking about your financial plan... ...so are we. prudential helps 25 million people with their financial needs. with over 90 years' of investment experience, our thousands of financial professionals can help. go to prudential.com or talk to an advisor.