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roughly, 24 hours after the campaign announced biden picked her as his presidential running mate. and that, for the first time, in american politics, a black woman, also, a south asian-american woman would be on the ticket. significance can't be overstated, in part because of the political history being made. but also, this was the first time american voters got to see the kind of message and energy these two former opponents would bring in their fight against president trump. he first spoke about the history that harris's election would mean for millions. >> as a child of immigrants, she knows, personally, how immigrant families enrich our country. as well as the chal lelenges of what it means to grow up black and indian-american, in the united states of america. her story's america's story. different from mine, in many particulars. but also, not so different in the essentials.

she's worked hard. she's never backed down from a challenge. and she has earned each and every of the accolades and achievements that she has gained. many of them, often in the face of obstacles that others put in her way but never quit. and this morning, all across the nation, little girls woke up, especially little black and brown girls, who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities. but today, today, just maybe, they're seeing themselves, for the first time, in a new way. as the stuff of president and vice presidents. >> senator harris, also, spoke to the history being made with her nomination but ovmuch of he lime was devoted to attacking president trump and promising fundamental change. >> everything we care about. our economy, our health, our

children, the kind of country we live in. it's all on the line. we're reeling from the worst public-health crisis in a century. the president's mismanagement of the pandemic has plunged us into the worst economic crisis, since the great depression. and we're experiencing a moral reckoning with racism and systemic injustice, that has brought a new coalition of conscience to the streets of our country demanding change. america is crying out for leadership. yet, we have a president who cares more about himself than the people who elected him. a president, who is making every challenge we face even more difficult to solve.

but, here is the good news. we don't have to accept the failed government of donald trump and mike pence. in just 83 days, we have a chance to choose a better future for our country. >> well, it was a preview of what americans can expect of her as campaigner, what mike pence can expect of her as a debater. >> this virus has impacted almost every country. but there's a reason it has hit america worse than any other advanced nation. it's because of trump's failure to take it seriously, from the start. his refusal to get testing up and running. his flip-flopping on social distancing and wearing masks. his delusional belief that he knows better than the experts.

all of that is reason and the reason that an american dies of covid-19, every 80 seconds. it's why countless businesses have had to shut their doors, for good. it's why there is complete chaos over when and how to reopen our schools. mothers and fathers are confused and uncertain and angry about childcare and the safety of their kids at school. whether they'll be in danger if they go, or fall behind if they don't. trump is, also, the reason millions of americans are now unemployed. he inherited the longest economic expansion, in history, from barack obama and joe biden. and then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight

into the ground. >> president trump's already taken several shots at kamala harris. something biden took note of toward the end of his speech. >> it's going to be gratifying to see the strong, enthusiastic reaction to senator harris as our next vice president. you know, it comes from people all over the country. it's already occurring. all over the country. all ideological views. all backgrounds. of course, we are predictable, some of them. it comes, except, of course, from donald trump and his allies. you all knew it was coming. you could have set your watches to it. donald trump has already started his attacks. calling kamala, quote, nasty. whining about how she's, quote, mean to his appointees.

it's no surprise because whining is what donald trump does best. better than any president in american history. is anyone surprised donald trump has a problem with a strong woman or strong women, across the board? >> shortly after that event, i spoke with the chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman karen bass, a contender for the vice presidential slot, herself. and spoke about the attacks on kamala harris that you just heard joe biden mention from president trump. >> congresswoman bass, seeing vice president biden and senator harris today for the first time since the announcement. i'm wondering, having been on the short list yourself, what your impressions were? >> well, i thought it was very exciting. i think it's an exciting moment in our history. you know, when she ran for the presidency, that was historic. and so, now, that she is going to be our next vp, because i am positive about that, i am enjoying this moment in history.

>> what do you think? i mean, for -- as a historical moment? what it means for the country? and also, for the dynamics of this campaign? >> well, you know, after three and a half years of such a divisive president, the president that is clearly -- has just made racist remarks, on a regular basis. to see our ticket, to see the unity of vice president biden and senator harris on that stage together. to me, it was electric. and i think it's going to excite people. we're 80-plus days away, and they can't go by fast enough. so, i just believe that it's going to really ennergize folks in the way they need to be. and we have to turn out and vote early because there's so many shenanigans going on, on the other side, to suppress our vote. and so, i am hoping that this will add to the momentum. >> do you worry about -- i mean, i know you seem optimistic that they are going to win.

>> i am. >> but, you know, people were optimistic in 2016, as well. up until they weren't. i'm wondering, just in terms of the kind of campaign this now is, it's going to be unlike anything we've seen before. do you think it plays to the strengths of a biden-harris ticket? >> well, you know, that's the difficulty is campaigning where you can't get out and be with people and shake hands and knock on doors. but i know that they will be, just like i will be, zooming day and night. because there's so much at stake. but, you know, part of the complacency before was we had just come off of eight years of an incredible presidency. of normalcy in our country. i think, after three and a half years of what we've been through, after 160,000 dead americans and i know not everybody had to die. i just think the circumstances are so profoundly different, that people will be motivated in a way that they haven't before. i think that's why they're

spending so much time trying to suppress the vote. >> clearly, one of the -- the reasons vice president biden chose kamala harris. she has run, obviously, a number of campaigns. both, in san francisco, california. and obviously, the run for president, as well. she has been in the arena. and -- and taken parts in debates, and knows, generally, what this -- what is ahead. we have already seen sort of the line of attack that the white house seems to be developing. the president called senator harris nasty, which is a term he obviously uses for -- for strong women, who stand up to him. i think he said she was just about the most liberal person in the u.s. and i think said today they're socialists, essentially. i'm wondering what you make of the attacks that go after senator harris and -- and her ability to deal with them? >> well, first of all, she won't have a problem dealing with them, at all. i think they don't know what to

do. they don't know what their message is, so they are just throwing spaghetti on a wall. but what i believe is, is that trump is going to resurrect the ghost of joseph mccarthy and george wallace. everybody's going to be a socialist, and he is going to be openly racist. i mean, his messages to the suburbs. he's -- it's very clear what he's saying. he is saying that black people are coming. that's -- that's -- that's what the message is. >> and cory booker's going to be in charge of it. >> exactly. and cory booker is going -- be aware. cory booker might move in next to you. you should be so honored. so, this is an old playbook. but the responsibility on us is to communicate, number one, is to expose that this is very old. this has been done before. but also, to communicate our message and our message of -- of hope, of transformation, of normalcy, of empathy. with an administration that -- i mean, the first job of the

commander in chief is to protect his people. this commander in chief really doesn't care about us. otherwise, we wouldn't have 160,000 dead americans. >> as someone who's worked closely with senator harris when she was district attorney of san francisco. you obviously worked together in washington on police reform. what do you think she brings to some of the defining issues of this race? particularly, racial justice? >> well, first of all, she brings her life experience. that's for sure. but she, also, brings her history of fighting for racial justice in what ever position that she's been in. when i was in sacramento in the legislature serving as speaker, she was da in san francisco. and we worked on criminal justice reform, together. we were both concerned about young people in the foster care system because we know that they fall between the cracks. and wind up on the pathway to incarceration. so, we worked on legislation related to that, as well as juvenile jui juvenile justice.

and so, i think that she understands the issues. she has devoted her life to fighting for the same reforms and transformations that i believe are required in our country right now. >> you, yourself, have obviously had a really extraordinary career. i got to ask. i mean, if joe biden and kamala harris win in november, california governor gavin newsom can appoint somebody to harris's senate seat. is that a job you'd be interested in? >> well, you know, outside of my singular focus on these next 80 days, i want to keep all the options available. >> congresswoman karen bass, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> well, as we mentioned at the top of the program, president trump and his allies wasted no time attacking kamala harris. for more, let's go to kaitlan collins at the white house. so let's talk about the president's attacks on harris. how they have evolved over the last 24 hours since the announcement. >> not really in the way that you thought they would. we talked to some trump advisers yesterday, after that first briefing. you know, just moments after they announced that it was going to be kamala harris. and they said that they believed he needed to have time to work

on his message. what he was going to do, his line of attack. but, anderson, we didn't really see that change by the time that he came out to the briefing today. he went after senator harris on things like fracking. he seemed to continue to be reading from a prepared list. but he didn't have this line of attack that some of his aides and his allies were hoping he would have formed by now, 24 hours in. and the question is, is he going to be able to define her in a way that's effective before the election? and that's not only something that he, clearly, is struggling with the vice presidential candidate. but it's something that he has struggled with, with joe biden for the last several months. really, finding a way to define him in a way that's as effective with his supporters and his voters like it was with hillary clinton in 2016. >> kamala's managed to go after president trump today, in her speech, in a very kind of conversational way that was -- it was very strong in what she said about him. very critical. but done in a way that was almost disarming, i think, for

those, you know, if somebody believed president trump when -- when he said yesterday that she's nasty. it certainly didn't come off as nasty. it just came off as sounding cutting. >> well, and he even seemed to kind of struggle to respond to her attacks. especially, the ones about how he's handled coronavirus. because he said he only watched a little bit of what she said and what biden said. he said he did not watch the full speech by them today. but a reporter in the room today actually summed up for the president her attacks, saying he did not take covid-19 seriously at the onset of the pandemic. that he did not trust the experts. his eyebrows kind of went up when the reporter repeated that comment that she had made. and he did not push back on either of those, and instead talked about how many people have been tested in the u.s. so far. he talked about ventilator production. we should note, he has been calling her nasty. that is often an attack that he uses on women. but one thing he still has not addressed and his advisers still have not effectively addressed

are those donations he made and his daughter, ivanka trump, made to kamala harris's campaign in the past. that is not something they have answered questions about so far. >> i find it hard to believe he did not watch the entire thing but for another day. thank you. just ahead. more on how democrats believe today -- today's biden-harris event went. also, video of the call biden made tuesday telling harris she was his pick. and later, in a really bizarre conspiracy theory, involving president trump, who is -- and this theory has a record of racist and anti-semitic tropes, believer in this conspiracy theory may soon walk the halls of congress. we'll have details on that when we continue.

joe biden's appearance with kamala harris was a campaign-defining event. hours later, the cam pain released video of the call, the call informing harris she would be his nominee just a short while before his campaign informed the world. >> all right. >> hi. hi. hi. hi. sorry to keep you. >> that's all right. you ready to go to work? >> oh, my god. i am so ready to go to work. >> first of all, is the answer yes? >> the answer is absolutely yes, joe. i am ready to work. i am ready to do this with you,

for you. i -- i just -- i'm just deeply honored, and i am very excited. >> i am joined now by democratic strategist and cnn political commentator. also, howard dean. what was your initial reaction, when you saw that today? >> i don't know how anybody can hear that and just not tear up. i mean, to be myself, just thinking about being, like, a little, black girl, having political hopes and dreams. hence, the career field that i chose. never, ever being able to imagine that you might get a call to be on a vice presidential ticket. i can't imagine how, like, overwhelmed she must have felt. and i feel so much pride and joy for her, just hearing it. so, i think that this is a proud day for so many of us. you know, i keep talking about how senator harris is a possibility model. it matters that we have models and reflections of black women doing amazing, big things. and so, i just am so proud of

her. and i'm really thankful that the campaign decided to share that with us because it is a really huge moment. >> governor dean, you know, obviously, i'm sure a lot of democrats would like to have seen a large campaign today given the limitations of the pandemic, i'm wondering how you this this went? van jones, who i talked to right after harris stopped speaking, was talking about how there is an intimacy to this kind of campaigning through the television screen and also without an audience, that allows for sort of a more conversational style that we certainly saw from kamala harris. >> yeah, i think that's exactly right. you know, the most gripping part of that, for me, was the dead-silent pause that kamala harris gave. she was shocked. even though she knew that she was a good possibility, she was shocked. just got asked to be the vice president of the united states. so it was a warm moment that you could feel good about because she was genuinely surprised. and that is an advantage. you know, there are a lot of

disadvantages of having a campaign this way. one of the great advantages. for somebody who is as genuine as joe biden, you get to see him and what americans are going to really like. there is not a genuine ounce of anything in donald trump. biden is the exact opposite. and i think harris is going to be a really good addition to the ticket. >> in terms of what you saw from senator harris during her -- her speech today, her talk, one of the things she brought up was a new coalition of conscience. do you think that's a preview of something we're going to be hearing more from her about? >> i do. >> oh, sorry. >> yeah. i think it's really brilliant. we talk so much about the obama coalition. and really, that's become a buzz word for diversity, right? for white people feeling hope and supporting the first black president. this idea of a coalition of conscience. i really think that people are going to glom onto because, keep

in mind, biden started his campaign as, like, the antiracist. right? donald trump, he's a bigot. he's a lot of things and he is kind of proud of that. saying, look, what we saw with white supremacists marching was really despicable and horrible and i know the vast majority of americans do not agree with that type of vile ideology and behavior. so, when senate evor harris sai today that they are forming this coalition of conscience, they are really appealing to our better angels as americans. you know, doesn't matter where you live. certainly, this vile bigotry and racism is something that they are, as a ticket, symbolizing in how they look in the appeal but i think that is really the underpinning of this campaign. and it's the outgrowth of the obama coalition. at that time, let's all remember, president obama was a little bit tepid around race, for all of the reasons that, over a decade ago, he had to be. but now, faced with such a --

a -- a vile racist, who is proud of his bigotry. i see this campaign kind of smacking that back by saying, no, no, no. we actually have a conscience and we're going to be the antiracists. >> governor, i'm wondering how you thought this rollout today went? i mean, that he wants her to be the last voice he hears before making a decision. the last person in the room. >> well, this is the advantage. i mean, i think kamala harris was the safe choice. and i knew that joe -- i mean, in my heart -- that joe was going -- was going to pick her. joe is a creature of the senate. and clearly, if you're in the senate all that long, you have a great respect for other senators. this is a good match. there's genuine respect for these people. some of it was the relationship with -- between kamala and bo biden. but a lot of it is just you respect somebody who's in the same body you are in. and i just think the chemistry is very, very good. this is -- this is -- you know, i think -- you know, exactly

right. this is a kind of chemistry that's good for the country. we're looking forward and -- and trump is, you know, is -- is really catering to the worst in people. their fears. their anger. their terror. and biden and harris are, now, saying no. there's hope. and we're going to be the example of how great the united states can be. >> ayisha, there is a disconnect in this kind of campaign. i guess, you can go volunteer and maybe make phone calls and stuff. but it's not -- so far, it's not the knocking on the doors. all the traditional things that we are used to in a campaign. i mean, does that play to senator harris's strengths? how -- how do you see this campaign kind of playing out? >> i have to say that one of the things that had been missing, at least, you know, for people that i talk to from the campaign trail, generally, over the course of the last year, was a real gravitational pull toward optimism and hope. and ideals of who we could be,

as opposed to the muck that we're currently in. and we've been in this real depressed state. and i think that what they did today is the two of them and their energy -- and i also want to call out that senator harris talked about her relationship with bo biden. and that, to me, also, was just so overwhelmingly beautiful because we got a personal connection and sentimentality that gave us a sense of connection and hope. and that, to me, is what will drive people to the polls. that'll drive people to engage in all of the new, digital ways that we're going to have to engage in covid. we're not beigoing to be knocki on doors. but we're going to be calling and texting people. to me, it's the connectedness, the common humanity, and certainly, the fight against bigotry. that will rile people up and bring us together. and i think we just feel good. we haven't felt good, in a long time. and that feeling good is what's really going to mobilize people. >> governor, what do you think this campaign looks like? i know we're almost out of time but what do you think?

>> always, a referendum on the president. the president is really not doing well, at all. and just as ayisha said, selling hope, that's what i think is going to do it for joe biden and kamala harris. >> appreciate it. while the world is scrambling to find a coronavirus vaccine, president trump today compared the pandemic to the flu and heart disease. we will have more on what he said. he said people are being forced to stay home, not because of health but, because of politics. former cdc director and dr. sanjay gupta on the truth of it all, coming up. bout your financial plan... ...so are we. prudential helps 25 million people with their financial needs. with over 90 years' of investment experience, our thousands of financial professionals can help. go to prudential.com or talk to an advisor.

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the white house tonight is releasing new coronavirus safety recommendations for schools but the guidance offers little more than normal hygiene tips. in georgia, the school that got worldwide attention for this photo. students will alternate days on campus while the rest will be taught online. that's after at least 35 cases of coronavirus have been reported. while parents deal with that, chaos as the nation continues to see double-digit unemployment, not to mention nearly 160,000 deaths. the president continues to insist that all is well, as long as you don't live in a state run by democrats. >> we're doing better than almost everyone with the economy. and i think we're -- you know, we face a headwind because democrats, perhaps for political reasons, don't want to open up their states. and that's having a huge toll. that's taken a huge toll on

people within those states. when you look at north carolina, you have -- a man doesn't want to open it up. you look at michigan. you look at some states. i mean, they just want to keep these people in their -- in their houses. in their prisons. they call them prisons. and i think a lot of it's for political reasons because they want to look as bad as possible on november 3rd. but i don't think it's going to matter because we're doing so well, in so many ways. >> just factually, his theory is that democratic governors want to keep people in prisons, in their homes, and not send their kids to school because it's going to damage him, politically, by making all those parents furious and upset and feel like they are in prison and not able to educate their prison. and that's, somehow, going to help democrats at the polls. to have a lot of angry people, who have kids who want to go to school. i want to bring in former cdc director, tom frieden, and chief

medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. the idea of taking preventative measures because of politics, i mean, does that make any sense to you? it seems like plenty of good reasons to be taking preventative measures. >> there is only one enemy here and that's the virus. and what we have seen over the past few days is a neuroradiologist. someone with no public-health experience, who has advocated for herd immunity, now advising the president of the united states. this is a man without a plan. or, more specifically, a plan for herd immunity. and you know what herd immunity means? herd immunity means 1 million dead americans. that's what it would take to get to herd immunity. that's not a plan. that's a catastrophe. >> sweden, which is a country that did try to go for herd immunity, had a much higher death toll, obviously, than the other countries on their borders. didn't have much better economic

picture. and still, didn't get widespread herd immunity. >> absolutely. the fact is we all do want to get our kids back to school. but, guess what? we got some hard choices to make. you can either leave your bars open, or you can open your schools and keep them open. but you probably can't do both. any community can open schools. but only a community that does two things can keep them open. first, control covid so it's not spreading. the school is not a bubble. and second, adapt in the schools. understand it's going to be hard. there are kids and staff, teachers, who have underlying conditions. they are at risk. and we need to protect them. and the idea that some states are doing this, for one reason or another, you know, there is a very simple way of looking at it. how widely is covid spreading? right now, the northeast is doing a pretty good job of controlling covid and, therefore, is more likely to be able to restart schools in the fall. >> sanjay, the president claimed, again, today, that the

u.s. is doing significantly better than europe, which is not true. and while overall cases in the u.s. are down, we have had more than a thousand deaths, again yesterday. and the national positivity average has not gone down. explain why that is significant. >> well, you know, with regard to how the united states is doing versus europe, we can show you this graph, first of all, to give you an idea. you know, we've gone from being -- you know, having seven times, roughly, as many new infections per day as europe, down to five and a half-times as many new infections per day as the european union. so, yeah, i mean, it's gotten a little bit better. you know, i guess, in that regard. but, still, far worse than how they are doing in the european union. the numbers continue to grow, anderson. so, you know, that's what we're seeing. the -- the death rates, usually, as you know, are -- lag behind, after people have been diagnosed with this infection. so the death rate that we're seeing now, sort of reflects something, you know, four, five weeks ago, perhaps.

it's really going to be a question now, where did the -- where does the trend go, over the next several days? does it continue a downward slope? which is hopeful. that's what we want. or do we continue this roller coaster ride that we have been seeing? >> you know, dr. frieden, the president announced his administration's ready to deploy 125 million masks, as well as cdc teams to help schools meet safety standards. you know, the idea of there being enough cdc teams to go to the schools in america just seems, on the face of it, highly improbable. when -- i remember when contact tracing was being discussed. i believe that, you know, the head of the cdc was saying, you know, we'll send cdc teams to help cities with contact tracing. you know, there's not enough people at the cdc to -- to do that. >> schools are in a tough position. they do want to educate kids. we all want our kids to get a good education. it's really important. but there is probably, anderson, one thing that keeps getting

lost in this discussion. which is, in so many ways, we are all in this together. for better and for worse. so if disease is spreading in young adults, particularly people who are essential workers, who have to go to work, who get the infection there. or in kids. it is not going to stay in that group. it's a virus. it spreads, widely, in society. and ultimately, it will hit more vulnerable people. and the vulnerable people is not some small group. it's about a third of all adults and everyone over the age of 60. so this is not some small group that we have to, somehow, isolate and protect. we're all one society. and what starts in one group, age group, or even place of the country, is likely going to spread to other places. and we will see more hospitalizations and more deaths. there are things that are less bad than -- than they were before. but we're still a global outlier and laggard. and we will be, as long as we

don't recognize that there's only one enemy here, and that's the virus. and the more we unite, but keep physically apart, the more we can control it. >> dr. tom frieden, sanjay, thank you very much. appreciate it. whether they want to or not, looks like the gop could be welcoming a qanon follower to congress. up next, the primary win for the believer in a bizarre conspiracy theory. what their candidate told us when our gary tuchman showed up with some questions today. [ heavy breathing ] allergies with nasal congestion overwhelming you? breathe more freely with powerful claritin-d. claritin-d improves nasal airflow two times more than the leading allergy spray at hour one. [ deep inhale ] claritin-d. get more airflow.

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tonight, a supporter of a bizarre conspiracy theory group, qanon, is closer to holding actual power in the country for the first time. marjorie taylor green won the primary in georgia's 14th district last night running against a a conservative. she has a track record of racist and anti-semitic comments, along with videos where she embraces qanon. and alleges that a -- of child molesters is really pulling the strings of deep-state media and just about everything around the world. >> q is a patriot. he is someone who, very much, loves this country and he is on the same page as us. according to him, many in our government are actively worshipping satan.

or they call molock. i mean, is it going to be true the child pedophilia and the elites in washington, d.c. is that what we are really going to see come out? is the type of corruption we are going to see come out, is it going to be satanic worship? >> some of the gop worked to stop green's victory, including house minority whip, steve scalise. but today, most republican winners were silent about her win in the primary. and party official tried to deflect. one notable exception, president trump, who today praised green on strong on everything, and a future republican star. qanon believers claim that president trump is secretly working to break up this satanic-worshipping kabul of child molesters. because they support him. qanon surfaced from the dark corners of the internet in the first year of the trump presidency. it began with cryptic messages from an anonymous person in a chat room. many of the earliest claims and

predictions by this anonymous person or group or country. could be russia, who knows, or iran or anybody. have proven completely wrong the original theories. but nevertheless, the conspiracy theory continues. it's impervious to fact checking. you may recall the man who went heavily armed to a pizza parlor in d.c. believing it was a base for a sex trafficking ring run by the clintons. well, now he is in prison. their claims are as nonsensical and slanderous as they are bogus. but less than a year after it surfaced, qanon followers went into the rally. in fact, a year later, the white house welcomed to qanon follower and the president has repeatedly retweeted qanon followers' messages. gary, she kicked me out of her victory party last night. but i know you caught up with green a short time ago. how'd that happen? what did she have to say? >> well, anderson, following members of the news media getting kicked out of the victory party, i reached out.

i did not expect to hear back and indeed i did not hear back so we decided to travel here to, rome, georgia. i drove by here, her headquarters. saw some people hanging out. parked my car. i was by myself at the time. there was a woman in the car. indeed, it was marjorie green. i motioned to her can you roll your window down? i had my mask on. she did not recognize me. she didn't look happy but i can tell you that she was polite and she was cordial to me. and, for the record, so was i. and i asked her what do you think of qanon? and she told me, quote, i'm not talking about that. i want to talk about the kind of business person i am. people don't talk about that. how successful i am. and indeed, she and her husband are in the construction business. they are very successful. she also said she's not a racist and all her friends know she is not a racist. but then, i asked her again, please, what's your position on qanon and what qanon stands for? she ha said, quote, i don't want to do an interview. rolled up her window. so she had a chance to support

qanon. she did not do that. she also had a chance to denounce qanon and she did not do that. i talked with executive of a paper here and he told me it was so unusual his reporter got kicked out. that's never happened since he's been here, and he's been here for many years. we did see the victory speech, however, because it was put on facebook by marjorie green. she said something very profane and anti-female about the speaker of the house. >> i just want to say to nancy pelosi, she's a hypocrite. she's an anti-american. and we're going to kick that bitch out of congress. >> marjorie green had a chance to hold up an olive branch during that speech. she did not, anderson. >> i understand this is a -- district she's won the primary. how good a chance does she have at winning the general election? >> it's always been held by a republican. matter of fact, by one,

particular republican, tom graves. he is retiring this year. in 2018, he received 77% of the vote. this is a very red district and we anticipate marjorie green will be the next congresswoman from this district. >> gary tuchman, thanks very much. executive editor of the atlantic, she investigated qanon for an issue. it's a fascinating article. i urge everybody to read it. just factually, it's just fascinating. adrian, this group is really fascinating to me. early claims by these conspiracy theorists. they have been proven wrong, over and over and over again. i mean, early on, they were claiming that robert mueller was secretly investigating thchild x traffickers and satan worshippers and his team was secretly going to indict others for a global child sex trafficking ring and that president trump was secretly working with mueller's team. all of which is ludicrous. obviously, proven wrong, that's

not what mueller's team was doing. and yet, this conspiracy theory is impervious to fact checking. >> facts do not matter to these conspiracy theorists. and it's one of the sort of more mind-melting aspects of the qanon universe. you can present them with evidence. you can demonstrate how the predictions have gone wrong and they don't seem to care. it just, again and again that q is bigger than anything that they can be presented with to the country. >> the idea that all these people are following some person who could be some internet troll, could be, you know, someone in kim jong-un's regime or anybody who is just putting out ridiculously cryptic things and they're just sort of, if i just put out a cryptic message now, you could connect dots and that's what people are doing, you know, and showing up at pizza parlors with, you know, heavy weaponry trying to liberate children, and, you know, i guess some of them are coming from a good place, but it's just insane to me.

>> well, this is one of the things that really surprised me, i was curious about who is this person or who are these people running this account. the more i talked to true believers, they don't care who q is, it's this blind faith that keeps them drawn to the conspiracy theory. >> i get -- they reached out to me because i'm roped into this bizarre conspiracy theory. after the pizza parlor thing it seemed to tamp down a bit. with the whole jeffrey epstein arrest, with that sick guy, there is now -- they've now roped that in, there is, floating around on the internet, a fake flight log that has 100 or so people from hollywood actors to allegedly i was on this jeffrey epstein flight to his island. which obviously i've never been on. and yet i'm inundated by people who believe i was on this flight. and there's no evidence of it, there's no photos, there's

nothing other than this fake, phony flight list. >> it's sort of like the granddaddy of all conspiracy theories that eats other conspiracy theories as it goes. and so if you go looking for any conspiracy theory on the internet, you can find a connection to q in some regard. >> and they say, you haven't said you're not a pedophile or you weren't on the flight, and therefore, why don't all these people come out and say -- you know, declare their innocence, which is ridiculous that people who are completely innocent have to come out and declare innocence for some insane conspiracy theory, but they take that as a sign of -- well, then they're guilty. but if you do declare your innocence and talk to them and try to just rationally discuss it with them, they don't believe you anyway. >> trying to reason with a conspiracy theorist will not get you anywhere. as i can tell you've experienced. >> at the end of the day, for a

lot of them, this is about -- for a lot of the people that are promoting this, it's about money. alex jones was promoting this, he's selling god knows what all over the place. seems to be, or was, making a lot of money. there's merchandising involved in a lot of this. and people are making money off it. >> you can find q merchandise on etsy, there are people who develop these huge youtube followings as the interpreters of q because it's so complicated and confusing. you see people rushing to fill the space to profit off of this. and any number of conspiracy theories, too. >> i discovered according to this theory, my mom was in a child satanic ring of traffickers, which would come as a great surprise to her, obviously. do you expect qanon to get larger? again, it is this perfect

organism where no rational thought matters. nothing makes any sense. and yes, of course, there are sex traffickers and children are abused and that's a horrible thing, but all these people are not actually doing anything about that, a very real world problem. they have created this entire fantasy. >> right, it will be interesting if marjorie taylor green gets to congress and believes in q, is she going to then make fighting child abuse her number one priority as a result? those are the questions we have to ask people who earnestly believe in this. what are they doing to solve real problems? >> have they raised money for kids coming out of the foster care system? have they raised money for kids in need or groups that raise money for kids on the street? i don't think they have. i'm not sure some of these people really believe it, it's

just they like -- it's subversive and it's a theory -- like a string theory that allows you to make sense of things which you have no control over. >> i have to tell you, when i went out to find the people who believed it, i sort of expected to find more people who didn't, and i was surprised by how many genuinely really did. and to your question about q's staying power, i think this is how trumpism survives even trump. so if biden ends up winning in november, q's not going anywhere and this is how the pro-trump movement and all it represents carries on. >> i've engaged with some of these people occasionally. some of them seem normal, they have families, i look at their instagram page and they seem like a hard-working, decent person. you have found that that really do believe this? when i try to rationally discuss it with them, some of them have been rational and said, okay, that makes sense. but it seems like no one is asking for proof, like this flight manifest thing, it

has taken on a life of its own. it involves tom hanks and i don't know who else is allegedly on this plane. it's ridiculous. >> they borrow from the language of journalism to say, we're just doing our own research. we're just investigating, but they're doing so without actually caring about what's true. >> your article is fascinating. it's in the atlantic. it's definitive and it's just -- it's a fascinating thing. andrea, thank you very much. >> don't miss "full circle," our digital news show that gives us a chance to dig into topics. watch it live on cnn.com or on the cnn app at any time. ahead, emotional moments as well, we'll talk about valerie jarrett and the widow of an aide as the senator from california makes history. awesome internet.

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