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simple, easy, awesome. get advanced security free with the xfi gateway. download the xfi app today. good evening. chris cuomo is off this evening. a big day for democrats who got to see their presidential ticket live if not in person. joe biden and kamala harris sharing the same stage a day after biden called harris, making her not only the first black woman but the first woman of south asian descent on a major presidential party ticket. biden spoke of her nomination at length.

he talked about why he thinks harris is the right partner for his vision of an american future after president trump. >> we're at one of those inflection points, you've heard me say that before in our history. a life changing election for this nation. and the choice -- the choice we make this november is going to decide the future of america for a very, very long time. and i had a great choice. great opportunities. i had a great choice, but i have no doubt that i picked the right person to join me as the next vice president of the united states of america. and that's senator kamala harris. >> for her part, senator harris spent a significant amount of time hammering at president trump's record, in particular, his failures combating the coronavirus pandemic. >> there's a reason it has hit america worse than any other advanced nation.

it's because of trump's failure to take it seriously from the start. his refusal to get testing up and running. his flip-flopping on social distancing and wearing masks. his delusional belief that he knows better than the experts. all of that is reason -- and the reason that an american dies of covid-19 every 80 seconds. >> president trump has already attacked harris, calling her nasty and the meanest. today biden said the attacks were proof that the president has a problem with strong women. joining me now is someone who knows joe biden well, valerie jarrett. former senior adviser to president obama. thanks for being with us. some i have heard today described this moment of the obama/biden coalition passing the torch to the biden/harris coalition.

i'm not sure how anybody who was part of the obama coalition would feel about that. i wonder what you make of their official launch of the campaign? >> what a terrific day it was. it just felt so wonderful to see the two of them walk out in lockstep. to hear from both vice president biden and senator harris, the optimism i feel about the future of our country knowing that it could be in their very capable competent hands. listening to them speak honestly and directly, and it was so touching, the way that senator harris talked about working with beau biden when he was the attorney general of delaware and she was the attorney general of california. fighting for all of those folks who were losing their homes as a result of actions taken by the banks. the relationship they forged. i was looking at vice president biden's face while she was speaking, you could feel the tenderness, and i think the american people are hungry for that again. goodness, competence. i think that we are in for a very exciting next few months,

and i look forward to january 20th and seeing the two of them sworn in. >> you saw up close how joe biden was as vice president to president obama. i'm wondering what you think the biden/harris partnership will be like. vice president biden talked about wanting -- just as he wanted with president obama to be the last person in the room when the decision was made, he said he wants that of kamala harris. >> nobody knows better than vice president biden what it takes to be a good vice president. he served for eight years, he knows how much president obama relied on his counsel, his advice, his taking over responsibilities for big pieces of business, from the recovery act to bringing back our troops to ending sexual assault on college campuses. just a wide array of responsibilities vice president biden had. he has said he selected senator

harris because he knows that he will get that same wise counsel from her. and he trusts her. and she's earned that trust and i look forward to the two of them taking that on the road so that the american people can see what i know up close, having worked with them both for so long. >> you've said that one of joe biden's strong traits as vice president was that he was willing to tell president obama when he disagreed with him. it's one thing to be able to do that when you're the vice president to the president, as president, do you think he will want to hear that from senator harris? because he says he would want to hear it. >> absolutely. and, look, that's the way he was when he was in the white house, he wanted to hear from his staff and the cabinet, i think he has a very open mind, he's curious, and he believes he'll make more informed decisions with her advice and counsel. and he wants her to push him. i watched him push president obama and president obama welcomed that. because he knew he would be smarter and it would push his

thinking. when you're making decisions that will affect millions of lives, you want to get it as right as possible. having that open mind, being intellectually curious, being fact-based, focusing on science. i think that's the recipe our country is hungry for. particularly as we've gone through these treacherous last several months seeing one misstep after the other by the trump administration that has had real consequences in the lives of the 160,000 who have died. and all of their families that have been affected and the destruction of our economy. and the divisions we've seen, the racial strife. we need leaders that can bring us together. i am confident that those two will be able to do that in our country. >> do you worry about the days ahead -- i think -- i don't know, 85-plus days, 90 days or so, about this kind of campaigning? i mean, it's not -- it's obviously unlike anything we've seen in our lifetimes because of

social distancing, things like that. it's -- if people want to volunteer, normally they can get involved, people want to be involved in campaigns, it's -- i am sure campaigns want to be involved. it's a different kind of involvement, how do you see this playing out? >> the campaign is going to have to be creative, unfortunately, i know many of the young superstars and not so young superstars working on the campaign, and they will get creative, they're going to use social media and technology as a strength and as an advantage to get our message out. i will tell you what i do worry about, i worry about the fact that i know that we're going to see a lot of horrendous language directed primarily at senator harris, whether it's sexist or racist. you know that a group of women sent a letter last week challenging the media to say, ask yourself the question, would you describe a man in the same way you're describing the nominee? and we put the letter out ahead of the selection because we were already beginning to see signs

of discrimination and racist and sexist tropes and we wanted to call it out and put a marker down. later tonight there will be a letter by over 200 women leaders from around the country of all ages. supporting senator harris' selection wholeheartedly, saying vote for her, but we also are going to say, we're going to check people who come at her on anything other than substance. she is more than willing. in fact, looking forward to a debate on the substance. do not come at her with what we see as a traditional way of attacking women, stripping them down. calling them names like mean and nasty, when we know the intention is to diminish them. all we want is an even playing field. that's what we're going to demand on her behalf. >> it's fascinating that president trump continues to use the word nasty in relationship to strong women. >> yes, it is quite old school, old fashioned, and outdated and i think irritating to women.

it's irritating when he says what suburban housewives are going to do. i think they can make up their own mind about what they're going to do. i don't think they're worried about black people moving next door to them, i think they're worried about whether they can send their children back to school safely. i think they're worried about their family coming down with covid, because they've been getting mixed messages from the government and governors are forced to go on their own and pay expensive amounts of money for equipment that should be coordinated at the federal level. they're worried about losing their jobs, their livelihood. there's so much that people who are living in the suburbs are worrying about. what president trump brought up was intended again to create a racial divide, it was intended to send a message that was not at all subtle. dividing us along racial lines. we're going to see the same thing along gender lines, and i'm here to say there is going to be an enormous pushback on all of that. >> you used the term suburban housewives.

as if it wasn't obvious enough, and it said cory booker, a black man, is going to be in charge of it. >> exactly. exactly. it's not subtle anymore. i think part of what he's trying to do is to appeal to a shrinking base. and i don't think that that's going to work, i'm also worried about the effect it's having on our country. all the more reason why we need the leadership of vice president biden and senator harris. >> valerie jarrett, i appreciate your time, thank you very much. >> thanks, anderson, have a great night. i want to bring in someone who knows senator harris very well, beth foster gale. her late husband was the press secretary for senator harris. thank you for being with us, i'm sorry for the loss of your husband. when you saw senator harris speaking today as a vice presidential candidate, what would that have meant to tyrone and what did it mean to you? >> anderson, first, thank you so much for having me on the show tonight. it's an honor to be here, and it's an honor to share part of tyrone's story. i think it's sort of

indescribable what it would have meant to tyrone. tyrone deeply believed in senator harris and her leadership. and he would have given anything to be a part of this moment and see her elevated to this position, which we all know she would be an incredible vice president. >> what was it about her that -- what did tyrone see in her? he went to work for her as a freshman senator. >> yeah. absolutely. tyrone was coming off the loss on the clinton campaign. he had worked for secretary clinton and had the opportunity to start in senator harris' office in january of 2017. and he -- you know, tyrone was this relentless optimist and he believed that senator harris was someone that we needed in this era, she was someone that could take the fight to trump. and tyrone believed deeply in representation.

as a black man, he really believed that nothing in this country can change until the people in power look like the people that they represent. and so getting the opportunity to work for a black woman, especially in this moment, was a lifelong dream of his. tyrone was the son of a jamaican immigrant much like senator harris. and so getting to work with someone that had his share of life experience and brought that to the policies in the work that she did was an amazing experience nor tyrone. >> i love seeing your wedding photos, by the way, they're so beautiful. senator harris has spoken about tyrone's legacy, she described it, she said, for tyrone, nothing was too small to do or too big to take on. he did this work tirelessly. always with a smile or kind gesture. he never lost faith in our ability to do good for the people in this country. >> yeah, i mean -- hearing those words. they make me a little teary.

that was tyrone to a "t." you know, whether it was sort of the dark days of the trump administration or when he was fighting his own battle with cancer, he always believed that tomorrow was going to be better. and he instilled that belief in everyone around him. sometimes to the point of annoyance, but it was just this wonderful quality he had. >> you both saw a side of senator harris that most americans don't get to, especially in tough times. who -- how would you describe her when the cameras aren't on? >> yeah, absolutely. you know, tyrone, a few months after he went to work for senator harris, his colon cancer came back. he had been in remission and it came back. and i vividly remember when he told senator harris about this.

and she knows all too well about this experience. her mother passed away from colon cancer, so she knew this journey. and this fight that tyrone was going to have to face. and she -- you know, she found so many ways to pick him up during his cancer battle. she would tell him how handsome he looked even when he lost his hair and his suits were baggy. she would call him to the point where tyrone said she checked in on him more than some members of his family. and she just -- she found a way to treat him with so much compassion and love. but also held him to a high standard, which tyrone wanted and appreciated. he knew that this was his life's work. and he didn't want her to let up on him or go easy on him. and, you know, if i may, there's a story i want to share. i don't talk about it very often. it's a little difficult for me

to talk about, but it's about the night that tyrone died. and we -- tyrone's death was relatively sudden, although we had a few hours to kind of prepare. he was hospitalized at memorial sloan-kettering hospital in new york city. and so we let friends and family know the end was near, and word reached senator harris. and she dropped everything in the middle of a congressional work period and flew up to new york city to be with us. and she unobtrusively came into the hospital room. she held tyrone's hand. she told funny stories about him. and she said good-bye. and she hugged me just as everything in my entire world was falling apart. and she looked deep in my eyes

and told me she would have my back forever. and it is a moment i will never forget for as long as i live. it's not an easy thing to go through and experience like that, it's not something i would wish on my worst enemy, but senator harris volunteered to be there, and she volunteered to share that moment with us, for someone she hadn't even known that long. but that's the compassion that she has. >> it's also a testament to your husband and the loyalty he engendered in others. i've got to go. but i know you set up a scholarship fund in tyrone's name to help others, more young black americans get into politics. how can more people find out information about it? >> if you google the tyrone gayle scholars program, you'll find out information, or go to gaylenation.com. and it is a fantastic program, it's changing the lives of black students. >> that's g-a-y-l-e. >> yes, yes.

>> thank you for sharing some of tyrone with us tonight. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. thank you so much for the opportunity. coming up, the diversity of the democratic party versus president trump's rhetoric on race. that discussion with dr. cornell west. also, we'll delve into the latest on the coronavirus. the new study about masks, what works, what doesn't, when we continue. with a lifetime warranty. go from old to new. from worn to wow. the beautiful bath you've always wanted, done right, installed by one expert technician, all in one day. we've been creating moments like these for 35 years, and we're here to help you get started. book your free virtual or in-home design consultation today.

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we mentioned at the top of the program, as democrats were celebrating the diversity of their party and the nomination

of senator harris, donald trump tweeted -- the suburban housewife will be voting for me. they want safety and are thrilled i ended the long running program where low income housing would invade their neighborhood. biden would reinstall it with cory booker in charge. he tagged maria bartiromo. joe biden mentioned that his event today took place three years after the rally in charlottesville. >> remember what it felt like to see those neo-nazis and those klansmen coming out of fields carried lighted torches, faces contorted, bulging veins, pouring into the streets of an historic american city. spewing the same anti-semitic bile we heard in hitler's germany. in that moment i knew i couldn't stand by and let donald trump -- a man who said there were very

fine people on both sides. quote, "very fine people on both sides." no president of the united states of america has ever said anything like that. >> my next guest was in charlottesville three years ago. joining me is cornell west. dr. west, great to see you. i want to ask you about the event today with biden and kamala harris. but i have to talk to you about this tweet, trump talking about the suburban housewives and invasion of low income housing orchestrated by a black man, cory booker. that's not even a dog whistle, that's just blatant. >> yeah, trump is just being the gangster that he always is. he's desperate, he's not used to losing. he's been winning all his life by means of impunity, no accountability, coldheartedness and

meanspiritedness. i think for the first time now, with biden and sister harris, that you actually have a team that might be able to win. and i hope we can push them across the winner's line because america, democracy is about to go under. the empire is in deep, deep decay. i salute brother biden for his choice, really, because i think it's probably the only way he can win. you have 65% of white brothers who voted for trump and 53% of white sisters. within those who were voting. you're going to have to have black folk, brown folk, asian folk, you're going to have those white folk who care, you need to have indigenous people pushing a fascist out of the white house. at the same time, the real criteria of what was going on today was set by curtis mayfield with that song "move on up." he was talking about the people

moving up from slavery, jim crow, jane crow. up from lynching. up from dilapidated housing, up from massive unemployment. up from no access to health care. and then you had our dear sister kamala, who got that special aka stamp of brilliance, eloquence, charisma, and even much more than brother biden, i think he understands that, but they're going to work that out in their own way. the fundamental question, curtis mayfield was talking about moving on up from the vantage point of the black masses, not just the black middle classes. the black masses. he wants to know, are they going to allow for a black face in a high place once again or are they going to be able to deliver wrestling with poverty, wrestling with pentagon militarism, wrestling with wall street greed, with escalating

wage stagnation and so forth. those are the deep courses of martin king and of ella baker. that's the real challenge of our dear sister kamala. >> you've been critical of harris in the past, i think at one point you called her a centrist candidate who acts progressive. do you think those who criticized her prosecutorial record, maybe her record as attorney general, will be able to see past it? obviously, right now the choices are biden/harris or trump/pence. >> right, i think right now, we have to be part of an anti-fascist coalition of conscience. our dear sister used martin luther king's language. we have to make sure trump leaves the white house one way or another. either by election or if he loses and he won't leave, then some of us will have to go and escort the brother. you know what i mean? it's time to go, you're done, you've damaged. but we can't be under any

illusions. when biden and harris get in there, if they are still tied to wall street, militarism, they are still tied to no public quality education. if they're tied to the same old neoliberal elites, we're going to have another slow disaster rather than a quick catastrophe. with trump you have a quick catastrophe, he has to go. that's why myself, even as a radical. i want trump people to know, i'm a radical, my dear sister harris is not a radical. she's a centrist and a moderate. i love the sister, but at the same time, i recognize that when it comes to the serious class struggles that are going on, the class war of the bosses against workers, she's not always been on the side of the workers, neither has biden. neither has biden. >> it's interesting -- >> biden is linked to the major mass incarceration regime in the modern world. he helped create that, you know

what i mean? we have to tell the truth about even those we vote for. that's why i don't endorse them, i vote for them. because i try to stay true to curtis mayfield's music. he's talking about moving on up. he's talking about honesty, decency, vision, courage, generosity, he's not just talking about winning the next election. and it's in our musicians and artists that they set the standards, when they play curtis. i said, ooh, they're messing with a genius from chicago now. they're messing with the great black musical tradition now. this is not a plaything. i think at this moment we have to push for those two, even though i love my green party folk and my movement folk, people's party we're going to be wrestling with. in the end, i don't think the democratic party is going to be strong enough to follow through on the kinds of things the way others are talking about. >> it is -- i mean, there was something about seeing her speak today. when you think about the history

of the democratic party and how the democratic party has depended on black americans as its backbone. maybe taken for granted, and particularly black women. and to -- i think for -- who have not gotten their due in the civil rights movement, and today. >> absolutely. in fact, the black freedom movement has been the leaven in the american democratic loaf, the loaf could not expand without the black movement, our freedom fighters have always said we fight first for those on the chocolate side of town and then it spills over and touches the soul of everybody. the democratic party did that from the '30s thereafter. black folk did that for the republican party after lincoln. in that regard, the best of the

american tradition has been the best of the black freedom struggle, and yet we can't settle just for a symbol, the symbolic blow against white supremacy. the symbolic blow against male supremacy. magnificent. let's see the substance. by your fruits, you shall know them. so after we push trump out then we're going to have to put such tremendous pressure on biden, tremendous biden on sister harris, because they're going to fall right back into their centrist ways again, friendly with wall street, letting them get away with their greed. the militarism, with military budgets that they themselves have voted for over and over again. they have voted for trump's military budgets. wait a minute, where's the coalition of conscience here, you know what i mean? and the same is true, anderson, in terms of the issues we struggle with with the palestinian thing. how can you be part of a coalition of conscience and not be concerned about any

occupation? whether it be palestine or elsewhere. how can you be more consistent and not be critical of your jewish brothers and sisters, some of whom are in favor of the palestinians. some of whom are tied to a trump-like figure in netanyahu. how are you going to be against trump here and tied with the trump-like figure there. how do you do that in such a way that you never allow for any type of anti-jewish sentiment, based on jewish values, justice shall you pursue. that's what the best of the great jewish prophets have taught us, that's always the coalition of conscience, that's going to be a challenge to biden and harris, because at the moment they tend to be so tied to the deeply conservative lobbies. i don't want to -- take seriously the humanity of palestinian brothers and sisters. >> before we go, you mentioned curtis mayfield. i'm a big nina simone fan. if you had to pick a song --

>> nina, too. mississippi got -- we won't say it on television. but it -- >> i was listening to a song that she sings, it's a live performance, and it's incredible. >> i'm going to listen to that tonight with my daughter. how's brother wyatt doing? >> he's doing well, he's listening to nina simone with me, i'm trying to teach him early. cornel west, always a pleasure. thank you. >> indeed, love you much, brother. stay strong. a new study on face masks, those that do and don't work. and the latest on the progress with the virus. we'll be right back.

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the big east conference has announced it's postponing its fall season due to the coronavirus.

following in the steps of other conferences. the national number is falling and that's the good news. the death count remains high. here's cnn's athena jones. >> reporter: tonight, new coronavirus infections holding steady or falling in 44 states. the u.s. averaging just under 53,000 cases in the last 11 days. still, far too high. >> we should not settle for having 50,000 new cases per day. any cases anywhere, really keep risk pretty high. all across the united states. >> reporter: with deaths nationwide still surging, averaging 1,000 a day for 16 straight days. florida and georgia hitting new records for daily deaths tuesday. those states also lead the country in cases per capita over the last seven days. indiana, up about 18% last week. north dakota has 20% more cases this week. data from the health department

in louisiana, another state where daily deaths are climbing, show some of the risks associated with reopening the economy. 835 cases traced back to bars, restaurants, or casinos. >> we are now going to be living with covid for a long time because of the sluggish response in the united states. >> there is new information about the toll covid-19 is taking on health care workers. a database developed by kaiser health news showing more than 900 have reportedly died from the virus. and amid often conflicting messages on masks, new guidance from the association of american medical colleges. >> not enough people are following these guidelines. >> reporter: urging people to wear face coverings in indoor public settings. minimizing any gaps. cloth masks should have at least two layers of fabric, preferably three. dozens of covid cases in schools

in georgia, mississippi, affecting plans everywhere. some 400 teachers refusing to return to in-person instruction. forcing the district to begin the school year virtually. >> i'm a little disappointed in that, but i'm also concerned for the safety of my classmates and myself. >> reporter: concerns about community spread also threatening college sports. with the big ten, pac-12, mountain west, and the mid-american conferences all postponing the fall season. even as the big 12 plans to play. >> what was true in the spring is still true today, that the road to reopening sports, schools, and the economy lies in dramatically reducing rates of infection in the community. >> reporter: just to drive home what a mess some of these community that reopened schools are facing, at least three georgia schools have been forced to temporarily close due to covid cases. one of them is north palding

high school, with the viral hallway photo. they are now going to be doing hybrid learning with students alternating days on campus. >> thanks for the report. we heard about the new guidance from a top medical group. at least two layers, tight fitting, some masks are far more effective than others. which ones should we be wearing? which are best to stay away from? i want to bring in one of the researchers behind the report. thanks so much for being with us. let's talk about what you did. you did research on masks, were you -- how did you go about doing this? >> so we developed a simple technique to visualize the effect of the mask reducing those droplets you emit by speaking. it's a very simple technique that we hope gets out there in the community for other people to build this and test those masks themselves. >> so what -- you made the headlines talking about neck gators, that part of your study has gotten a lot of attention. let's get that out of the way. you tested -- i believe they

were single layer gators. what did you find? >> right, so the ones we tested were single layer polyester spandex gator, it was pretty thin, if you held it up to the light, you could see through it. it was very easy to breathe through. and keep in mind, there's a trade-off between breathability and protection. if you can easily breathe through, the droplets will have an easier time getting through. what we saw in these masks was that there seemed to be more droplets coming out, and we attribute this to the bigger droplets being broken down into a bunch of smaller droplets. and of course the smaller particles have an easier time being carried away by the air. and the big ones would just drop down to the ground. >> so i know you were testing the masks that you had around. you didn't test double layer

neck gators. what about bandannas? >> right, i mean, not all bandannas, not all neck gators are bad. as you said, we tested a single layer, if you doubled them up, i'm sure this would get better, if you use a different material i'm sure it would get better. the bandanna we tested also, a standard bandanna, double layer, nice triangle shape. that blocked about 50% of the particles which is better than nothing. >> and so what would you recommend in terms of -- if you were picking a mask, knowing what you know now, what would would you look for? >> i personally use a cotton mask, it's a good compromise between comfort and protection. the cotton mask, all the cotton masks we tried had about 80% reduction in particles and for everyday use, for the general public, this is perfectly fine. it doesn't have to be a perfect mask. it doesn't have to be an n-95 mask to be helpful.

in fact, we recommend that those masks are reserved for those people who need it. for example, health care workers or people with a condition that requires them to have this extra special protection. >> so cotton masks, two layers are better than one, obviously. >> we didn't do a systematic study of those. we can't recommend a number of layers. the more, the better, again if it gets too thick you won't be able to breathe through it. people may not wear them because they're not comfortable enough. so pick your level of comfort, really. >> wear a mask, even if you think it's not doing much, it's better than nothing? >> we always recommend people wearing masks. in combination with the social distancing, proper hygiene, hand washing by itself. >> appreciate it, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me, anderson. up next, a new name joins the fight against coronavirus and misinformation.

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28 vaccines are in the human trial stage worldwide. even if one breaks through and is proven safe, there's another barrier it will face, fear. many families are worried about the pros and cons of taking a vaccine. others are exploiting that fear and spreading misinformation. elizabeth cohen tonight has more. >> i think it will be a very effective vaccine. >> reporter: the head of operation warp speed to develop a covid vaccine says the vaccine could be 90% effective or higher. and could be on the market as early as december for those at high risk. but what if people refuse to get it? a recent cnn poll found that one-third of americans said they would not try to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, even if the vaccine is widely available and low cost. >> you don't need the vaccination. >> reporter: some advocates have been working hard creating fear of a future coronavirus vaccine.

and anti-vaccine lies are appearing online. that the vaccine will leave an invisible digital tattoo. that dr. anthony fauci is actually satan. that the vaccine is part of a cia illuminati conspiracy to control the world. and it will turn you into this. now, chelsea clinton is sounding the alarm. polling has shown that many americans say they won't get the covid vaccine when it comes out. does that worry you? >> it terrifies me. >> reporter: through the clinton foundation and international speeches, clinton has become a leading vaccine advocate. have anti-vaxxers called you hateful names? >> i've been called a murderer and fearmonger. i get quite a bit of hate. >> reporter: she knows personally how strongly anti-vaxxers feel. when she was pregnant with her first child, a woman approached

her in a coffee shop. >> she looked deep into my eyes and said, please tell me you won't vaccinate your child. please don't do that. i'm going to vaccinate my child. she said something along the lines of their death or damage will be on your head. >> she said the government needs to act fast to battle this sentiment. >> what do you think the cdc is doing in this area? >> well, they're not doing the job. they're not doing a job. you know, nothing in this country country is really happening, on a coordinated level, from the government, from the cdc. >> the cdc did not respond to request for comment. its parent agency, the u.s. department of health and human services says their public health information campaign will soon focus on vaccine efficacy. the message needs to be loud and

clear. >> it isn't like, you know, i like coffee and my husband likes iced tea. this is literally a debate about life and death. >> with me now is dr. tina hardert. doctor, when it comes to people not getting vaccinated, i'm sure -- i don't know -- you must encounter this, from time to time. what do you say to people, to try to convince them of the scientific evidence? >> we, certainly, see this all the time. i think the best example that, probably, everyone has experienced is people get the flu vaccine. and then, they get the flu or get a cold. and actually, we have extremely good randomize-control trials that were done where people who got the active vaccine, compared to the placebo, were asked about these side effects. and in fact, more people in the placebo group actually reported getting a cold or getting sick

after the placebo vaccine. and so, it's -- it's the power of these individual stories, countered by our ability to explain to people, proven science. and this ability of us to communicate -- just like the last story that you had from chelsea clinton -- it is tremendously important for us to be able to effectively communicate. not only proven science but to counter conspiracy theories. and even just the individual, incredibly compelling stories that parents tell, and associate what happens with the vaccine to their child. this type of communication is extremely important. it takes a tremendous amount of time and resource to effectively communicate. and it takes tremendous trust in who the communicators are. and i think, unfortunately,

we've really just had a chronic underfunding and recognition of the importance of, and even respect for, public health in the united states. and public health. i mean, we realize, now, how absolutely essential public health is, in response to every single nation's response to this pandemic. the public health is absolutely essential in non-pandemic times, too. and also, to debunk bad information. >> yeah. you know, they've been able to almost eliminate polio in the world, gates foundation and others. and yet, people view that as some sort of, you know, global conspiracy. it's so antiscience and just -- it defies logic, in many cases. i understand a lot of parents just have, you know, very understandable fears and concerns. when it comes to kids, there is a new survey out found 84% of

parents believe vaccines are the best way to protect from infectious diseases but two-thirds are nervous to take their kids to the office because of covid-19. how important is it to get -- for kids to get vaccines, as they head back to school? >> it's absolutely essential. and this is something else we have to message about. and if we haven't been doing it yet, we have got to start. we knew we would face this as a problem. and we know, in the past century, what's happened when groups of people have not been vaccinated. we have had outbreaks of measles. we've had epidemics of whooping cough, not just in the u.s., but other countries in the world. it's absolutely essential that we get this proven information out to families so that they understand how critically important it is for them to vaccinate their children against these communicable diseases.

>> yeah. what do you feel will happen if the number of kids getting vaccination continues to decline? and even the idea of, finally, we get a vaccine for covid-19 and people decide not to take it. >> right. it's the same thing about communicating. people will have a choice. and it's a matter of whether their choice is listening to these individual, very compelling stories. or their choice is listening to communication about proven science. and it's a challenging thing to do. it takes time. it takes resources. we should have started on this months ago. but it's never too late to start this important messaging. because, otherwise, the messaging parents will listen to is a story of one child from another parent. and it's -- >> yeah, sorry, go ahead. yeah. dr. tina, really appreciate all you're doing. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> more news ahead. we'll be right back.

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