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good evening. chris cuomo is off tonight. president trump igniting another birther attack. this time it's not president obama but vice president candidate kamala harris, who is very much an american. bernie sanders said this is just, quote, another racist lie, unquote, and that the president is trying to deflect voters. ohio democratic senator sherrod brown about what this kind of attack means for the presidential race in his state. the president says the quiet part out loud on mail-in voting. joining us to discuss the
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president's comments today that without money for the stalled relief bill there might not be enough money for mail-in ballots. we will also continue our focus on the human cost of a virus. a woman who has lost both her parents to the disease just days apart. first, we start with the president's comments about kamala harris. for that we want to go to the white house and cnn's kaitlin collins. we know why the president and his allies are pushing this false racist theory against senator harris. he did it before. why wouldn't he do it again? it saves him from talking about covid. >> he always exists in this in between, saying i'm not the one suggesting it. i'm just putting it out there. >> people are talking. >> exactly. that's how the president does with many things but especially with things of this nature.
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he was asked directly about a report that's obviously not true. she is obviously eligible to be legally the vice president of the united states. but instead of the president saying that, having a moment like what john mccain had so many years ago, the president says, oh, well i have heard that. i don't know if it's true. so, instead of combating it, instead of putting it down, instead the president encourages it, gives it room and makes it a bigger thing than it is when he was asked about that by a reporter in the briefing. instead of taking the opportunity to saying that's not the kind of attacks he would like to see in this presidential race. >> as you know better than anybody, he uses the word strong and powerful all the time to describe himself, his actions, his statements, whatever. strong statement, a powerful statement. if he really wanted to be strong and powerful, standing up and just saying, you know what? of course, she was born in oakland, california. of course she's an american. we're going to run hard against her. she is who she is. we're going to beat her -- we have better ideas.
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we're going to beat that team. we're going to win. instead, he just, you know -- he does the weakest of all things which is, yeah, you know, people are saying very capable attorney said this. it's a very serious charge. let's play what he actually said. >> definitively say whether or not kamala harris is eligible, meets the legal requirements to run as vice president? >> so i just heard that. i heard it today, that she doesn't meet the requirements and, by the way, the lawyer who wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer. i have no idea if that's right. i would have assumed the democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president. but that's a very serious -- >> i mean, it's amazing that now we just accept that the president of the united states says stuff he -- at the same time he says he has no idea whether it's true or not he's more than happy to spread it and talk about it.
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a responsible person learns whether it's true or not and then either ends it or continues it. >> or it's obviously not true and the president would say that. >> of course. >> he did not take the opportunity to do that. we should note the context in which this comes that the president is letting this float out there. he has not been able to land any strategic line of attack against kamala harris. he has struggled with that over the last 48 hours. you and i have talked about that. maybe he's taking this as that opportunity because he can't find something else that's legitimate to criticize her on because he's taking this. he did this to president barack obama. it's something that obama mocked him on, and the president, at one time, i believe in 2011, said he would release his tax returns if president barack obama released his birth certificate. he did, but the president has not released his tax returns. it goes to show you, this is exactly how the president has been for a decade now.
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it's not surprising he hasn't changed. it is, you know, a little shocking to see from the white house briefing room the president be asked about a conspiracy theory and he doesn't take an opportunity to be agnanimous. instead he lets it stay out there for his supporters who will surely likely amplify it in the coming days. >> why would he take a principled stand on facts and be man about it as opposed to reaching out and sending signals to the darkest corners of the web, to trolls who support him in conspiracy theory chat rooms. >> instead of talking about her in legitimate reasons, look at her record as a prosecutor, talking about the votes she has on capitol hill. those are actual reasons supporters and voters want to know about. instead it will be discussing like this, because the president did not take a chance to knock it down. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. david axelrod and reggie love, personal aide to president obama. reggie, you know the impact -- you saw, had a front row seat to this with president obama and his family. obviously, it was a distraction.
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these are based on just the deepest, you know, generation-long racist tropes again anyone who is different, immigrants of any sort, black americans, you know, latin-x americans. what do you make of the revival of this by this president? >> look, this is not a new play from the current president. like you mentioned before, he has run this play before and, let's be honest, i think it's a distraction and he's using it to try to exhaust and fool the american people. but i think people are more concerned about what we're doing to support our covid efforts and essential workers and all the people who have lost their lives, families who lost -- people who have lost family members throughout this period. i think, you know, unemployment is something people are really
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interested in having a conversation about or funding the election commission to help make sure we have safe and fair elections this november. but this is just another -- this is a distraction and, you know, david, you know, you've had 40 years in politics, so you've seen this not as many times but you probably have better thoughts than i do. >> david, does this work now? >> i've been in politics so long, i've forgotten my thoughts, reggie. no, listen. kaitlan collins, i think, is a brilliant reporter. i just have to disagree with her in one respect. it wasn't shocking. it was appalling, but it wasn't shocking at all. it wasn't even surprising. he pulled this old chestnut out
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of his slimy bag of tricks. it was a naked, racist appeal. yes, it was partly to cause a distraction because we lost 1,500 americans yesterday and this effort against covid has gone very, very badly and it is dragging his candidacy down, so he's trying to create a distraction. on another level, he is trying to dog whistle to his base. she is not like you and me. she's not really an american. her parents were immigrants. she's a person of color. she really isn't qualified to be president. and it's insidious and ugly, but i will predict this, anderson. it's also a stupid tactic on his part because this is exactly the kind of politics that is driving voters away from him. this is why the suburbs have moved away from him. this is why people have become uncomfortable. there was a fox news poll today, and they rated biden and trump on a series of issues. he did very poorly on coronavirus. on race relations, he did even
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worse. and so he's only going to drive those numbers up. so he may think that this was a clever tactic, but i think he's digging his own political grave with these kind of sorted tactics. >> reggie, i'm always surprised, though, that nobody ever sees racism as it's always happening. people look at black and white films of news reels of whites screaming at little girls who were desegregating schools and saying who would have done such a thing? those people 40, 50 years ago, who can imagine doing such a thing as if it doesn't happen in present day. we are seeing just, again, a repeat of a racist based ploy. and it just amazes me that no one -- i almost wish he would just say, yeah, of course we know what we're doing. yesterday he sent out a tweet about, you know, low-income housing moving in and just happened to say that cory booker
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was going to be in charge of it. cory booker is a u.s. senator, is black. that seems to be the only reason he would have brought cory booker -- cory booker is going to be running a housing program in the suburbs. >> yeah. look, i think trump has used fear in so many different ways. and race and race relations is -- you know, i think it's a sensitive topic, and i think we're at a vulnerable time in this country, mainly because, you know, at a point in time in which we had a lot of unrest and we had the killing of george floyd, there was an opportunity to have a real conversation as a country, and we missed that opportunity. and so it's not surprising that he would make a comment about
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senator cory booker and housing. but when it comes down to it, it is about race and it is about criminal justice, but it's also about opportunity, and it's also about income inequality, and it's also about people feeling like they actually believe in the american dream and that there's something out there for them, you know. and for african-americans and black americans, i think it's hard. it's really hard to get through and to cut through and to feel like that thing is real for all of us. but there is a portion of white america that also feels that as well, and i think we don't talk about that enough. and i think that is the portion of the population that trump is trying to pit against one another, and i think that's where, you know, it's not about race. it's about education equality, access to health care, economic
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opportunity and economic equality. that's where i think, you know, we as a country can be great. i think that's where we need to come together and have conversations to talk about how we can, you know, expedite and grow those opportunity sets. this fear mongering and division is not anything that will create anything of value in the long run. >> david, it certainly doesn't create anything of value. does it -- you eluded to this. this time around, does it work? i don't even know what impact it had about -- regarding president obama. >> i don't think it was particularly helpful, you know, over time. and a lot of republicans quietly wanted him to drop that at the time. so, no, i don't think it was particularly helpful. reggie, said we missed the
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opportunity to have a conversation. i think the country is having that conversation. they're just not having it with the president of the united states leaving it. he instead used this as an opportunity to divide the country, the floyd murder was just one more opportunity to throw gas on the fire, and now we see this. let us say that as he is demeaning senator harris, her elevation to the ticket is one more sign of progress in this country and we ought to celebrate that and not, you know, pine over what we know we're going to get from donald trump between now and election day. this is not surprising. >> you know, again, if he was a strong, powerful leader, he could have celebrated kamala harris being named just for the historical reasons of it and then said, you know what? we're going to beat her at the polls and we have better ideas, but it shows where we are as a society. but, obviously -- >> he's not that guy, anderson. he's just not that guy. >> i have no illusions on that. >> totally agree. historical moment for the
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country. >> reggie love, thank you. appreciate it. i spoke to democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio about whether these tactics work and whether the president can win ohio with it. senator brown, the fact that a senior legal adviser of the trump campaign has retweeted an article, essentially questioning senator harris' el ridgeability to run, the president said today i heard she doesn't meet the requirements. can you believe this is happening again? >> yeah, i can believe this president is a racist. this president divides, tries to distract from the fact that we're 4% of the world's population and 22 or three or four percent of the world's coronavirus deaths. he's always doing this, playing race and playing to fear.
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and some of his base will start seeing that on other networks and on talk radio, and it won't work any more than it worked with barack obama, but it's the way they -- when they've got nothing else, they try these kinds of things. it's just despicable. >> in the span of 48 hours, he has called senator harris angry, horrible, nasty, a term he uses often for strong women to stand up to him. does this stuff work? >> i think it works. it's the reason that the 35% of americans that support president trump love president trump, because he plays to the anger and fear and resentment and often to racism of not all but some of his supporters. keep in mind, his supporters, while i'll not call all of them racist, i understand they are supporting a racist for president. it works for them. it just drives more and more of the public away from him. that's why so much of the public has just had it with trump,
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including some who voted for him. he won my state by eight points in 2016. he's not going to win it this time, because a number of those 51% or so people of ohio who voted for him are -- pretty much had it with him. >> you really don't think he would win ohio? >> i don't think he would win ohio, in large part, because joe biden and now his running mate, are increasingly understand that you campaign through the eyes of workers. you govern through the eyes of workers and you contrast who is on your side that biden and harris talk about workers, will support workers. trump has betrayed workers. people understand that increasingly in the mahoning valley and youngstown and dayton, areas where trump did better than republicans usually do. those days are going to be behind us. >> the president has now outright said he opposes funding
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the postal service because of mail-in voting. he admitted he's trying to manipulate the postal service for political gain earlier. >> he breaks all rules. he may do his convention acceptance speech at the white house. the rules don't matter. institutions don't matter. the post office has been around for the entire existence of our country, more or less. that doesn't matter. fair election doesn't matter to him. his record is so bad. with the unemployment rate is three times -- one of the interesting -- back in march, south korean, united states, 95 coronavirus deaths, south korea's unemployment rate is under 4%. ours is three times that. with that kind of economic record, that kind of record on health care, controlling the pandemic, and that -- you can't blame the president for changing
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the subject every chance he gets from making things up about the new vice presidential nominee to attacking biden on things that aren't true, to the whole way he has done his presidency and now going after the post office. >> in ohio, i'm wondering what the view is from there, mitch mcconnell announcing that they would adjourn despite no coronavirus stimulus deal. how does that play in ohio? >> 680,000 ohioans getting $600 a week for unemployment. it's a terrible confluence of factors that last week the $600 expired, $600 payments. moratorium on convictions expired and dozens of them around the country in different communities on shutting off water and electricity expired at the same time eviction courts are opening up in my state and the country and we're in the middle of a pandemic and mcconnell has cut off the $600,
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as trump has, has no interest in helping with rental assistance, in no interest in helping local governments, no interest in sending money to schools so that they can open safely. not just open, but open safely. and it's just going to create more illness. it's going to create more hardship. hundreds of thousands of people, millions around the country will drop into poverty, fall into poverty, which hasn't happened during this pandemic because of the $600 a week and trump and mcconnell while the country burns. it's a terrible, terrible situation that they clearly -- trump has no empathy. mcconnell doesn't either. nor does his republican caucus, who should have told him stay, negotiate with democrats, debate the house bill. let's get serious. we should be in washington right now and stay until we completed our work and actually done significant things to help the country. >> senator sherrod brown, appreciate your time.
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new tonight, a source confirmed to cnn that the new jersey governor will announce tomorrow that his state will conduct the november election mostly by mail-in ballots. president trump has relentlessly attacked mail-in voting. he appeared to come right out and say what critics have always charged what he's trying to do, block money for the post office and relief bail to upend relief bill efforts. >> if we don't make a deal, they don't get the money. that means they can't have universal mail-in voting. they just can't have it. >> during his afternoon news conference, he suggested that it's not him trying to toy with the election, that it's the democrats. >> some people say they don't want -- the democrats don't have schools open because that's where you have a lot of polling votes. if you have a school closed you can't have polling votes at the
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school. that's becoming, i think, maybe we'll be able to show that as fact. >> maybe we'll be able to show that as fact. joining me now, a democratic commissioner with the federal election commission, ellen winetraub. thank you for being with us. the president says absentee ballots are good and safe but mail-in ballots are not safe and a completely different thing. we've shown time and time again there's not a problem with mail-in voting. is there a difference between absentee ballots and mail-in voting? is it a different post office, is there some sort of different system? >> for the most part, it is not. most people use the terms interchangeably. in a brief filed by the trump campaign, they said they would use the terms mail-in and absentee voting interchangeably. i have sometimes seen people use it where they say absentee means that you have to request the ballot rather than it being directly mailed to the voters without them making an affirmative request. the good news is that this
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absentee voting that the president and vice president has used and they say is safe and secure, that is the way most states are doing it. most states are actually requiring that an application be filed with the local election board, requesting the ballot be sent to them at their home address. now, of course, all of this is going to take place through the mail. the ballots are going to be sent through the mail. the applications for the ballots are going to be sent through the mail. when the ballots are submitted, some of them will be sent through the mail. sometimes people use secure drop boxes where they drop it off at the election boards themselves. so the ballots are not necessarily going to be returned through the mail but certainly
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will be received through the mail. and if the president is right, that absentee voting is a really great thing, and we certainly have seen that many, many voters would prefer to use absentee voting rather than to have to go and stand in line in a polling place during this pandemic, then we are going to need to have a functional postal service. we're going to need to have election workers who can send out the ballots and receive the ballots. they're going to need equipment. they're going to need resources in order to run both a successful mail-in operation for those people who choose to vote that way and a safe in-person voting for those voters who would prefer to come and vote in person. all of that requires resources and so far congress and the president have not appropriated sufficient resources to get the job done. >> right. the president is saying essentially the democrats want $1 million for mail-in voting that will turn out to be fraudulent so the money will basically go toward fraud. as you point out, the money is going to actually make absentee ballots possible, to make
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mail-in voting possible. it's going to election workers. it is not going to promote fraud because there are not widespread examples of voter fraud in this country as the president's own commission, which he, with great fanfare, started right after he was elected, disbanded without finding anything. in terms of absentee ballots, can somebody vote -- in every state, can anyone request an absentee ballot? >> in most states, people will be able to request absentee ballots. there are some states where you need an excuse to vote absentee. some of those states this year, the governors, the legislatures or election boards have made the decision that covid-19 is an efficient excuse. remarkably in some states they still don't think that's enough of an excuse and you need an additional excuse in addition to a global pandemic in order to get your absentee ballot. most states have now made that determination, that you can request an absentee ballot this year. >> president trump is making a claim that universal mail-in --
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that states send out ballots to each household, that's where all the problems lie. he said russia, china, north korea, iran, can grab ballots by the handful, print forgeries of the ballots, mail them in and no one will know the difference and that will be massive fraud. have you seen that happening? is there an example to that? >> no. and i've not heard any voting expert who has viewed that as a credible threat. there are credible threats coming from abroad. we do need to worry about disinformation. there are new reports out just in the last week from the state department and the intelligence community about the ways that foreign adversaries may be trying to interfere in our election, but not by printing up ballots which voting experts have determined would be extremely difficult and virtually impossible. there's so many differences in the ballots. there are differences in the
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paperweight. every community has their own races that are separate from the ones that are being run in the neighboring communities. we don't have one national ballot that would be very easy to reproduce. a lot of these ballots are preprinted with tracking numbers. there are going to be signature matches on the way back. i think that a lot of people are more concerned that too many ballots will be discarded, that people will sign their name a little bit differently than they usually do or they'll not see that they need to sign it in the right places, and we've seen this in the primary, where tens of thousands of ballots end up not being counted for technicalities when they may well have come from legitimate citizens who were just trying to exercise their right to vote. >> we have to go. very briefly for viewers who are watching tonight, how can -- what can they do right now to see if they can vote absentee? or how would they go about doing that? who would they call or look
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i want to show you a pick, many schools, of course, have postponed sports during the pandemic. ncaa president says no fall championships except the college football playoff. the reason, not enough schools taking part. the playoff brings in millions for ncaa. only three major college football kvenss have announced
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plans to start the season next month. infectious disease doctor who advises the ncaa on covid-19 is warning the danger of rushing back to the playing field too soon. >> we have a serious problem. i feel like the titanic, we have hit the iceberg and we're trying to make decision, so what time should we have the band play? what's important right now is that we need to control this virus and, you know, not having small sports this year and controlling this virus, to me, would be the number one priority. my advice to colleges, my advice to organizations that i've talked to is if you cannot do it safely, you shouldn't do it. >> dr. carlos del rio is here tonight. also with us cnn medical analyst and e.r. dr., dr. nina nguyen. what pushed you to that point? how do you see that?
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>> anderson i think where we are right now in our country is we have an epidemic. i'm not pleased where we are. when we started working with the ncaa back in march and april, we had a trajectory that would have us down. in that case you could have done a lot of things safely and it would be okay. unfortunately, we opened the country too soon and we did not open with the appropriate precautions, and we have a serious epidemic right now in our country, much worse than it was in march or april. and i think we need to really focus on controlling the epidemic, because there are too many people already infected and there are too many people already dead. 160,000 americans have died and by september 1st we expect 300,000 americans dead as a result of this pandemic. we are not taking this seriously. as an infectious disease doctor and public health expert i'm convinced we can do way better.
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we need to focus on what's important, which is controlling the virus in the community and, quite frankly, decreasing the mortality, which is out of control. >> dr. nguyen, the governor of mississippi said we can play sports, do it in a safe way and the way to do that is by limiting crowd size. does that make sense to you? >> in theory, if we had low levels of community spread as dr. del rio was saying. we can't have our kak and eat it to too. we have to decide what are the most essential things we need? we can think of this, anderson, as we do a budget. we major budgets. you decide what is the most essential thing? if what's most essential is schools then we need to keep schools open at all costs, then we need to close down bars, restaurants, nightclubs and other indoor gatherings. that's the way that we could get this infection under control. that's the way we'll actually be able to get sports back. it's not just by making proclamations but doing these really hard things, but these
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hard things that are evidence-based, that we know from other countries and our own country that this is what's effective in controlling covid-19. >> dr. del rio in terms of sports, are you saying there should be no team sports at this point? >> anderson, i think sports are all very different, right? some sports may be worse than others but we have interesting models to look at there. the nba has created a bubble and they've played very safely within that bubble. you could potentially create a bubble for college sports. maybe you can have sports. on the other hand you have the mlb, national baseball league which has not created a bubble and we've seen the consequences of that. there's lessons to be learned. if we delay a little bit we can bring infection rate down and have better testing. we have better testing, more available rapid testing, you could make diagnoses immediately, then you'll be in a
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much better position. at the end of the day it's not really what happens inside the field but outside the field. we need to make sure that those athletes after the game are not going out to parties, nightclubs, going out to bars. that's actually when a lot of the infection is going to happen, in the close environment. it's not going to be necessarily out on the field. but it's going to be in what happens outside of the field. >> well, dr. wen, that's one of the things with college sports, you know, obviously a lot of schools, the athletes, that's their main focus. but, technically, they were supposed to be going to school. the idea they're in a bubble just to play sports in college seems sort of against the whole idea of why they're actually in college. >> that's right. and we also have to look at what these universities are doing, too. it doesn't really make sense for
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the student athletes coming back on campus to play sports when all their instruction is done virtually. i just want to second what dr. del rio said about testing. it's absolutely essential to get this widespread rapid testing. imagine how much of a game changer that would be for everyone. this is what president trump has. why shouldn't the rest of the country have access to this, too, if we could be tested at home before we go to school, play sports, go to work. even if we're not picking up 100% of cases, right now we're picking up zero percent of asymptomatic cases. if we could pick up 80% of that, we would make a big dent in our ability to control the virus. >> dr. leana wen, dr. carlos del rio, thank you very much. up next, a california couple married 35 years, died from the coronavirus days apart. we'll talk to their daughter who also had the virus. the largest .
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son. they were only 60 and 62 years old. joining us now with more on their life and their battle, their daughter ebony hunter. thank you so much for being with us. i'm so sorry for what you and your family are going through. what an extraordinary love story your parents had. if you could, just talk a little bit about them. what were they like? >> they were amazing. they were an amazing example of just a great marriage, unconditional love. they were best friends. they were into a lot of different things together. they loved fishing. he was into motorcycles, so they liked to ride together. they loved sports, the warriors and the niners. they really were best friends as well as, you know, being a married couple. but they're extraordinary. they touched so many people's lives. and they definitely left an imprint on us for sure, of the way to go forward in life and live life to the fullest.
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that's what we're trying to do, is keep their legacy alive. >> you lived with your parents and i know you saw they weren't doing well. you drove each of them to the hospital just two days apart. >> yes. >> and, you know, one of the things that, you know, is a blessing if somebody's life is ending is one's ability to spend time with them. covid robs us of that ability in the final days. you dropped your mom off. were you ever able to be with her again? >> the so when they think that maybe your -- i mean the hospital. when they think maybe they're going to pass, they're not going to make it, they do face time you. so i was able to see her via face time, but she didn't look like herself. she wasn't really coherent anyway. so, i mean, i wish i didn't really have to see that, but my brother, with his family, did
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get to say good-bye to her via skype -- not skype. what do you call it? >> face time. >> face time, thank you. and with my dad, i dropped him off first and, no, i got to talk to him before he was intubated and sedated and that was it. i never got an update through the doctors. >> were your parents aware that each of them was in a hospital? >> yes. >> i mean that the other was in the hospital? i dropped my dad off, first. and then, that next -- that day that i dropped him off, my mom actually came home from work, sick. she wasn't feeling well. and that night was just really bad for her. she was throwing up. couldn't keep anything down. had a fever. and so, i took her in the next day. and so, they both knew each other was in the hospital. my mom, actually, her heart stopped when she was talking to my dad, the first time her heart stopped. >> oh, my gosh.
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>> yeah. so, they were communicating in the hospital. and yeah, my dad was aware that my mom passed. yeah. >> the -- i mean, it's got to -- it's got to -- it all happened, so quickly, too. i mean, they were in there. and then, it was a matter of days. >> for my mom, yes. she went in wednesday and she passed saturday. but she had asthma. she had other issues where we knew her immune system was compromised. but my dad, other than having diabetes, he didn't really have any health issues. he's never even been hospitalized any day of my life, that i can remember. so we really thought he was going to pull through. we kind of understood it would be a long haul for my mom, but she passed quickly. and my dad, he hung in there for a while. >> so, 11 days apart from each other. >> uh-huh. yep. yeah. i just don't -- we -- we can't make sense of it. but we kind of think of it like
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maybe he didn't want to be here without her because he always said he didn't want to be here -- he wanted to go first because he didn't want to be here without her. yeah. >> and have -- have you buried them? >> yes, we did yesterday. >> yesterday. wow. how was that? >> it was hard. it was a beautiful day. my brother -- my older brother and sister, they had to speak because i couldn't get through it. and, you know, it was hard for my grandmother because she buried her child. >> wow. your grandmother was there. >> yep. yes. her first child to pass. and, you know, it was hard because they make everybody feel like family. so, everybody felt it. it was different because we couldn't have a service. we had to have just a burial outside, social distancing, mask, and everything. and it had to be very brief. so we didn't really get to say good-bye to them the way we
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would have liked to. but yeah, it was a beautiful day but it was hard. >> ebony hunter. it always sounds so hollow to say i'm sorry for your loss but it's -- it's hard to know what to say. i wish you peace in the days ahead, for you and your family. >> thank you. thank you so much. and we just wanted to say thank you to everyone who donated to the go fund me because that's how we were able to bury them. people from all over the place showed up and donated, and because of them, we were able to do that. so thank you. >> so you put up a go fund me, people donated, and that's how you were able to have the funeral. >> yes. yes, so many people did. it touched so many people. even some people we went to high school and elementary. i don't know how it got around. my brother's kind of the social media guy. but it got around and we were able to get the money to -- to pay for the burial because we did not have that so we just say thank you. thank you so much, from the bottom of our hearts. we gave them a beautiful burial. >> they sound like lovely parents and a great couple.
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and thank you for sharing them with us. >> thank you. >> ebony hunter. we'll be right back.
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tonight, another rising gop star and congressional primary winner. biggest controversy involves adolf hitler's retreat. >> reporter: 25-year-old congressional candidate madison. >> i welcome increased jute think because, you know, i don't have anything to hide. >> on the defense over these questionable photos on his instagram page. showing him in 2017, visiting adolf hitler's vacation house. known as a popular site documents the horrors of the regime. it had been on his bucket list for a while. it did not disappoint, he wrote. such a good time with my brother where, only 79 years ago, a supreme evil shared laughs and good times with his compatriots.
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tweeting hitler's vacationary retreat is not on my bucket list. and stops just short of calling cawthorn a white nationalist. >> i think collectively when you put all the pieces together, it paints a picture of someone comfortable in that environment. the name of his company. you know, a symbol that's associated with white nationalists. >> cawthorn shooting right back telling the charlotte observer newspaper that the name of his company comes from rome and we can't let extreme ikists hijack history. he has also disavowed racist groups. >> as of now, i completely and wholeheartedly denounce any kind of nationalism, any kind of
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nazism. >> emphasizing the eagle's nest is a place where the nazi regime plotted unspeakable acts of evil. and in a statement to cnn, accuses davis of pushing conspiracy theories and bigotry. his belief that conservatives in his district are guilty of being white supremacists, until proven innocent, is dangerous to our democracy. his suggestion that i, a man in a wheelchair, would celebrate a regime that would have had me exterminated is offensive. cawthorn's website saying he was nominated to the naval academy, and his plans were derailed by a car accident that left him paralyzed. but, in this deposition related to the accident, cawthorn admits he was rejected by the academy before his accident. >> i never said that i was accepted or appointed to the academy. i just i knew i had