talking about potentially hundreds of thousands of people. kate? >> for sure. great to see you. great piece. thank you very much. thank you-all so much for joining us tonight. i'm kate bolduan. "a krr "c ark ""ac 360" starts now. controversial changes ordered by the postmaster general that slowed down mail service by eliminating worker service and hundreds of sorting machines. according to a spokeswoman for the inspector general and aid to elizabeth warren that requested a review, the inspector general is reviewing potential ethics complaints against lewis dejoy, an ally and donor of trump and president trump came out and confirmed he was holding up a coronavirus stimulus deal over money to help the postal service. >> now they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of

ballots. in the meantime, they aren't getting there. by the way, those are two items. if they don't get those two items, you can't have universal mail in voting because they aren't equipped to have it. >> later in a news conference, the president chose slightly different wards implying it was democrats holding up the deal but the point was the same. >> if the post office, if they don't approve a bill and the post office therefore won't have the money and if they don't approve a big bill, a bigger bill and they're not going to have $3.5 million, how can you have those votes? it would mean is the people have to go to the polls. >> the comments come after the president spent months and

despite those in charge of national sec tourry but there is an evidence 06is there is a slowdown in mail in at least nine states in part because of concerns about the coronavirus. a memo sent to workers and obtained confirms as much about the slowdown, quote, unfortunately this initiative had unintended consequences that impacted our overall service levels said the postmaster general. in letters obtained to cnn and sent to 14 states that occurred at the end of july, the postal service tells officials these lags in delivery may mean some ballots will not reach election officers in time to be counted. perhaps the most interesting fact is what if anything the president is telling the postmaster general. president told the press on sunday he hasn't spoken with the post pamaster general but six d before he said that, the president did in fact speak with him. when asked about the discrepa y

discrepancy, the white house said it was a congratulatory meeting in august for a job he got in may. i want to start with the latest on that inspector general review of the postmaster general christian holms helped break the story. tell us more about this investigation. how broad is this? >> reporter: well, anderson, here is what we know. this is all based on a letter from senator warren among others that really had six bullet points and we are told by a source that the inspector general is reviewing all six of these. the first five are pretty much the same bulk topic here. they are about those changes you mentioned. these changes that are sounding alarms across the country because of the delay in mail, because of the upcoming election. the other last one is about his finances. so let's start with the first. it's a pretty broad scope about the changes. they talk about specific operational changes. they want a list of exactly what was done. was there any rational given or

analysis on the impact this could have? do the delays look like? we're hearing from postal service workers. we are seeing the mail piled up but they want to know specifics of what these delays actually look like and of course, the big question that all of us have, which is this going to impact the 2020 election? and as we have heard from numerous sources, it's hard at this point to see it not impacting the election. you're talking about millions of americans voting, some of them for the first time by mail in ballot at a time that there is this huge change in the post office. now, that last topic is very interesting. this is all about his finances. lewis dejoy you mentioned a trump donor and ally, he is not just a regular donor but the kind of donor that's named finance chair of the charlotte convention before there was no charlotte convention. this is a not small potatoes guy. we obtained his documents, his financial documents. we went through them.

this is what this review is about and we found from ethical experts, there might be some concern here. he had not die vevested million stock who is not a contractor with the united states postal service and on top of that, he has stock options in amazon, which is a huge postal service customer. anderson? >> the vote by mail begins in a few weeks in states like north carolina. is this a full on investigation? is the inspector general just looking, i mean, what would one actually characterize this as, just kind of looking into it to see if it warrants further investigation? >> well, that's always the big question with the inspector general, right? they are very caging. they don't like to say what the investigation is. the fact that we even got on the record they were doing the body work in this is pretty extraordinary. that means that they are

reaching out on behalf of all of these documents. they want to know if there is any sort of paper trail right now on these changes. what led to these changes. was there some kind of meeting? and on a separate note here, we have just learned from a service group that looks into it, the postal service rejected a foya to look at the post master general's schedule saying that it had personal information on it even though it's on a postal service computer. so there's a lot going on here in gathering of information. now, some of these investigations, as you know, can go on for months but the big question is whether or not it can be wrapped up by the election because again, that is what everyone cares about right now. >> yeah, thanks very much. joining me is jenna, the secretary of state of colorado charged with overseeing elections there. the democrat has called the president's statements about holding of funding for the postal service voter suppression. what do you make of this news

that the inspector general is reviewing the postmaster's policies? do you think anything will come of it? >> well, anderson, first, thank you for having me on. he laid out to 48 million that they could be laid off. it's unamerican and donald trump's fault. the president clearly believes that vote by mail will help democrats win which is untrue so he's trying to do everything he can to tote the election into his favor. it's reprehensible and forcing americans into crowded polling locations instead of doing the responsible thing, expanding vote by mail is one more way that the president is risking american lives. >> can you explain when you say it's voter suppression, how so? >> well, the president is specifically trying to withhold

funds to enable volt by mail to work. he's basically trying to undermine the safest way to vote during a pandemic and enforce americans to choose between risking their very lives and casting a ballot. that's not just hyperbole. we saw in milwaukee during their primary more than 70 people get sick. that's voter suppression scaring americans and it's 2020 and we have a solution. vote by mail for all and the president is trying to put in barriers to suppress turnout. >> they say mail in voting is susceptible to foreign interference according to election officials and fraud. have you found any evidence of that in your state over the years? is there wide spread voter fraud

in colorado? >> absolutely not. for him to make up some type of story that's better placed than a spy novel than in reality and the nation can look at colorado. we have a history of extremely clean elections and safeguards in place and we're able to have a wonderful election during the pandemic. in the june 30th primary, we set a state primary turnout record so the nation has the tools to have good elections. it really whether the president wants voters to vote. >> i mean, is it too late to get the post office to make this move smoothly? >> absolutely not. we still have time. i ran for secretary of state because president trump formed that voter commission to suppress voters with chris coback. he's doing the same thing again. i won't allow him to suppress

the voice of americans. we're considering all options including legal options against the president and the postmaster general. >> i mean, what do you think about the country as a whole? do you see this being a free and fair election nationwide. >> well, i do think that the silver lining is that we have expanded mail ballots in a big way for this election. but there are a lot of barriers being put up from administration. whether that's trying to force americans to risk their very lives to cast a ballot to meddling with the post office sabotaging the way we deliver mail to falsehoods and lies about vote by mail. so i just think it's so important that every elected official, every elections official and every american citizen start sounding the alarm. the rhetoric coming out of the white house is something that you hear under dictatorships, not in the united states. we have to act. we cannot ray low him to tilt this election.

>> appreciate it. thank you very much. here is van jones and former special sadvisor to president obama and for regan and clinton. david, let's start with you. the president now walking back his comments or sort of changing the focus essentially saying the postal service funding is a negotiating tool to get democrats to the table but just yesterday he was saying trying to undermine the election by blocking the funding. >> there are many threats in this story, most of them bad. listen, we are heading for a potential crisis over this question of mail in ballots and absentee ballots. if we -- the nightmare scenario is election night to discover it was a very, very close election, one person seemed to be in ahead of the other but the ballots haven't been counted and then we get into counting ballots and find a lot of them were either,

they were sent in but not counted for one reason or another and you can just see if donald trump is losing and he's going to use all of that kind of controversy to try to stay in office to say it hasn't been resolved, therefore it must stay here until we get this resolved and he is trying to delegitimize this election in all sorts of ways. we know that. we don't really keep up with how many different ways republicans are trying to suppress the vote. minority votes in urban neighborhoods, votes on absentee ballots from the wrong state. think of the hypocrisy of donald trump saying i hate write in ballots. they are fraud. we must not do them. well, by the way, we have an exception in florida because florida happens to be a state mail in ballots will help him. that's the hypocrisy of it. >> van, it is just play table y

-- blatantly political what the president is doing. >> it is. african americans and our allies died for the right to vote, we shouldn't have to die in, you know, covid infested voting lines, exercising that right. you shouldn't have to die for the chance to vote. and so that's horrific. the president of the united states should be using his power to make sure that everyone in the country can vote safely. seems like he's using his power in the opposite direction. it worse than that, though. already horrible things are happening to people as prescription drugs are arriving late, veterans are getting their checks late. you have to understand, this is not going to be a problem for americans just in november. it's a problem right now. it a problem friday night as people are not getting packages or not getting checks, they're not getting life-saving drugs they need now because the backup is already started.

stuff that needs to take two days is taking two weeks now. this is an attack on the american people in addition to the american democratic process and it's completely outrageous. >> david, i want to play something president obama said in a pod cast with his former campaign manager. l let's listen. >> what we've seen in a way that is unique to modern political history is a president who is explicit trying to discourage people from voting, right? we've never seen before is a president say i'm going to try to actively kneecap the postal service to encourage voting and i will be explicit about the reason i'm doing it. >> i mean, the president continues to so douew doubt in system with voter fraud and had a commission that disbanded the president with the beef of it. it was phony.

what kind of issues do we have regardless of what happens? >> i think it's over the time, trust in our institutions has plunged over the last 20, 30 years. he is accelerated the downward spiral and take the postal office, maybe just because he has 30 to $75 million apparently invested in the postal service and there are signs people around trump want to put the postal service out of business. but maybe they're doing things that are hon feest but the levef trust is so much that when we see suspicious things like the blue boxes for being moved around in mysterious ways, the blue boxes you have on the street where you can go and post a letter are being moved around. when you see the cut back in services and bringing results

that van just mentioned, when you see the sorting machines are being decommissioned 10% of the society, there are so many suspicious things going on, you can't help but be scenical. you can't help but trust each other. >> there are letters warning states it may not be able to deliver ballots in time. david was talking about mail sorting machines being removed. you have the president meeting with the postmaster general this month or talking with him hadn't spoken with him even though the white house confirmed the meeting. we're 81 days away from an election. >> yeah, it's -- i mean, it beyond outrageous. one thing that i will say is that right now because of what happened this week with regard to the postal service, you're seeing an explosion of grass roots activity. today i talked to the people at black voters matter. they realize hey, there is no such thing as election day

anymore. it's election month and you got to start doing this -- everything that would ordinarily happen the last two weeks of the election is going to start happening right away. people will immediately start trying to get their hands on ballots and help people to do it earlier. luckily, the news is reporting on this enough that groups like black voters matter and others are standing up. you also have leaders like gupta and others ready to go to court. i don't want to focus on repress sieve activities. there is real resistance. people need to support organizations. this will be a big fight. >> david, aside from, you next the inspector general according to this report looking at this, i mean, should congress be getting to the bottom of this? i mean, we know what happens with the inspector general. the president fires them or ignores them. >> absolutely. and in fact, somehow they are

starting on this and nancy pelosi is pushing it in the confines of the negotiations. i think what is needed here, anderson, and i think there is time to do that but just as we needed and never got a true xzar, to oversee the whole pandemic that we had this group that the president picks off people, we need to centralize on an urgent basis watchdogs to oversee it at the national level this entire unfolding saga about the post office and suppression of votes and i would say what we have is a bipartisan group headed by a democrat and republican, you know, maybe somebody out of the military like a four star out of the military everybody trusts. if we find a people we can trust in, i think we can unravel mysteries and suspicions and get on with the business and get back to doing serious work on

covid. >> yeah, david garrigan and van jones, thank you. he said he doesn't have a problem with people of color and talk to keasha lance bottoms. the number of new u.s. coronavirus cases tops 1,000 and something dr. anthony fauci mentioned about working on a plan d for a vaccine. just what that might entail. and would we actually need a plan d when "360" returns. wayfs and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today.

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aftercalli calling kamala h nasty, president trump was asked do you have an issue of a strong woman of color being in the presidential race? the president's response no, none whatsoever as you know. that's not the impression that comes across watching the president interact with strong women of color. >> do you want them to reign in robert mueller? >> what a stupid question that is. what a stupid question. but i watch you a lot. you ask a lot of stupid questions. the same thing with april ryan. i watch her get up. i mean, you talk about somebody that's a loser. maxine waters a low iq individual. the mayor of san juan puerto rico. i watched just this morning this talib. she's vicious. she's like a crazed lunatic.

kamala harris. >> she was probably very nasty. >> you might -- >> why don't you people act -- why don't you act in a little more positive. >> my question to you -- >> get ya, get ya. look, let me tell you something. be nice. don't -- >> mr. president, my question is -- >> don't be threatening. be nice. you can't hear me. that's why you used to work for "the times" and now you work for somebody else. >> with me is keasha lance bottoms that will speak next week. mayor bottoms, when you hear all the stuff the president is now saying about kamala harris, not surprising though, you know, sort of regurgitating the birther, racist, you know, birther conspiracy, i guess that's not surprising either, but when he says he has no issue with women of color, do you buy that? >> that was hard to watch, anderson.

i felt my blood boiling. you could have added to that lori lightfoot and bouser to that list and i saw this great quote when you posed that question. it was strong women don't have attitudes, they have standards and boundaries. that's something we know this president doesn't have. he doesn't have any standards or boundaries and he's a drowning man and if we're careful, he's going to take us all down to the bottom with him. and so this is the reason it was so important that the ticket that joe biden put together reflected who we are as america, the diversity of america and also, reflecting that there are strong women of color who lead with integrity, and i'm looking forward to speaking at the dnc convention and casting my vote because this president is a disgrace to our country and it's only getting worse.

>> it's interesting to contrast what the president says about camilkamala harris with what sh actually said and how in the first public event with vice president biden. you know, she was -- in a very sort of disarming tough but also conversational -- i just thought it was very interesting mix and a very talented mix of, you know, having a conversation with people and making her points but even, you know, doing things with a smile at times. i just thought it seemed like it sort of knocked president trump off -- it seems like the white house at this point is still unsure how to kind of respond to her. >> yeah, he clearly has been rattled and i know the one thing that he fears is having to go up on a stage and go up against

obviously vice president biden but also to have mike pence have to debate kamala harris and what i see when i see president trump is someone who knows that he is going to lose. he will not stop at anything to make sure that not only is there foreign interference with this election but domestic interference. he said as much, and i know that for as many adjectives as he likes to use to describe women of color in particular, the fact remains that this is a strong ticket. this is a strong woman on that ticket and he knows that it one that will defeat him in november. >> you know better than everybody, georgia is considered a tossup state in the general election given the on going concerns about the pandemic and unknowns about funding for the postal service, how it might struggle to handle bail in ballots.

how concerned are you about residents being able to vote safely and have their vote counted? >> i'm very concerned. in june our primary was a complete mess. people waited hours on end. they waited seven and a eight hours to early vote and i shared with you before, i requested an absentee ballot that never arrived in the mail so we know it's only going to get worse. it my hope in georgia people who are able and are healthy will go out and early vote if possible so we can spread the crowds out. and hopefully with the atlanta hawks with a voting precinct at state farm arena will draw more people out into a building people can spread out and cast their vote safely. >> you and the governor of georgia were campaigning and continue to beat odds and rolled your economic reopening plan back. he sued you. he has since withdrawn the lawsuit saying you made some concession, when i know you

decemb dispute. at this stage, where do you see georgia going? where do you see atlanta going? >> you know what discourages me about this, i reached out to the governor to reach an agreement because quite frankly, i'm tired of our state looking bad nationally and i don't like the fact that people are being infected and they are dying of covid in our state at very high rates. i reached out to the governor to reach some type of agreement. we were in the middle of mediation and he issued in a statement saying the mediation was over. what the governor wanted me to agree to is what he is going to issue in this executive order. he wanted me to agree to not allow enforcement of a mask mandate in businesses and to allow businesses to pick and choose as to whether or not that this mandate could be enforced

and who would enforce it? we don't allow businesses to enforce a fire code. we don't let them pick and choose as it relates to building codes so that made no sense to me but that's what he's putting in the executive order. the mask mandate still stands. the lawsuit has been dropped and hopefully, people will continue to exercise good common sense and listen to the science. what i'm out and about, i see people wearing masks in the city of atlanta and hopefully they are doing that across the state. >> keasha lance bottoms, appreciate you, thank you. the white house response to the coronavirus is moving up fast. the questions about his views on herd immunity and why he has the president's ear. we'll explain next. about your financial plan... so are we. prudential helps 1 in 7 americans with their financial needs. that's over 25 million people. with over 90 years of investment experience,

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there is new behind the scenes concerns on the coronavirus response. dr. scott atlas a recent addition that supports strategies that contradict the guidance from task force members has direct access to president trump. cnn learned from a source to the task force the white house insists that the response coordinator remains a top advisor to the president. atlas is not on the task force but attended a meeting this week. dr. atlas is apparently of herd immunity. he's also been a critic of several lockdowns and agreed with the president on many fronts. herd immunity happens when 70 to 90% of the population is immune through infection or vaccination but public health evidence

suggestions achieving herd immunity to coronavirus would likely take more than four years and lead to more than 1 million deaths in the united states. earlier today dr. fauci confirmed scientists are working to create a train that could be use in a human -- a challenge trial of a vaccine, he's calling plan d but they are normally used when a virus isn't widely circulating. dr. fauci says they may not be needed. we've talked about challenge trials on the program a number of times. we learned the u.s. suffered more than 1,000 deaths in a single day, at least 1208 deaths alone reported today. our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is here. sanjay, i want to talk to you about scott atlas who is a radiologist, he's not an epidemiologist as far as i understand. first, sanjay, even though dr.

fauci is calling a human vaccine trial plan d, how would that actually work? we talked about this before but just a reminder to our viewers. >> yeah, so typically what happens after you go through the first couple phases of a trail then there is face three which typically you get a lot of people, thousands of people and they either get the vaccine or a p placebo and follow them to see how they do. it requires thousands and thousands of people and the people who receive the vaccine may also not necessarily get exposed to the virus so you don't know did they not get the infection because of the vaccine or because they weren't exposed? with the human challenge trial, people are also getting the vaccine and then they are intentionally exposed. these are volunteers intentionally exposed to a consistent measurable strain of the virus. so you know for sure they have been exposed, and you can tell pretty quickly then is the vaccine working or not? but the whole key there is that you challenge them.

you knowingly expose them to this virus. >> art, i remember you were on this program months ago. early on in this talking about the possibility of challenge trials and some, you know, people at the time were saying well, look, that's kind of unthink nl yable you have a chae trial. you were sort of early on raising this idea. explain the ethics of it. >> yeah, that's right, anderson. and sanjay said the regular way to study a vaccine is slow and if you're lucky and the virus goes away, you may not get the natural infection to see whether your vaccine candidate works. ethically, what your doing to do is expose people deliberately to a weakened pure strain of covid and try to make it so it won't hurt them but generate enough they give you a response. i think the number one ethical argument for it and i'd make it plan 1 a, not plan d is that you

get a faster response in terms of data because you're exposing people and see them and track them and you keep them in a location and then you're going to be able to use far fewer people because, you know, you don't need to wait for nature to infect some percent of 20,000 people. you've got four or 500 people who would be able to see what happens. some people say, you know, don't do it. you can't deliberately infect someone. look, either way whether it's nature infecting them to see whether the vaccine works or some researcher deliberately giving them a safer, lower dose strain, people will get infected. i don't find that a big reason to oppose challenge studies. >> sanjay, if it were to happen, how many people would be infected? >> in the challenge trial, i mean, you would need far fewer people. you know, if you talk about these phase three trials, sometimes they talk about 10,000, tens of thousands of

people. here it would probably be hundreds of people and you'd get a faster sort of idea as well because you know okay, the person was exposed. we make sure they were exposed and see it. you're actually doing the exposing of this virus to the person and you know much more quickly whether or not the person is actually protected, not actually developing an infection. so hundreds of people and probably a faster timeline but again, as art mentioned, it's this line in medical science that's being crossed where in this case you're actively exposing someone to the virus as opposed to letting them become naturally infected as they live in their own community. >> and i guess one objection is that, you know, there aren't proper treatments or therapeutics to help people once they get sick. >> that's true. normally you hope you can rescue someone who got ill but remember, in the standard way of doing the trial, anderson, they will get exposed to the nasty virus we know can cause death

and harm. hopefully in the challenge study you're giving them a weakened form of the virus without the same risk of damage. i think it's something you have to get informed consent. i've said since i've been promoting this idea. you have to have volunteers. they have to understand the risk. you have to take somewhat younger people that aren't as adversely affected. look, as the world is suffering so much from this plague, both economically, no school, people dying, i think we've got the volunteers out there who would do this. i do think this is a step that we may find ourselves taking particularly if those first vaccine candidates don't work out. i hope they do, but -- >> yeah, sanjay -- >> if they don't -- >> yeah, sanjay, just quickly, this new coronavirus advisor scott atlas is a radiologist, right? >> he's a radiologist. he's apparently got the ear of the president. it not clear. i've been talking to sources about this, you know, today and

he's in the oval office with the president. am basketba ambassador birx was not there, she's traveling. i can tell you other members of the coronavirus task force have been very vocally against such as this idea letting the country develop herd immunity, letting the virus go and letting what happens happens. the problem with that it would take a long time to get to herd immunity where 70% of the country is immune because of infection, and a lot of people would die. more than a million people would likely die. >> it interesting because president trump months ago was saying publicly there are a lot of people saying we should just let people get infected and herd immunity but look at sweden, it would be a terrible idea and more than a million people dying. it's interesting that, you know, things are where they are that he's now, i guess, talking to this person. dr. birx, is she on -- last week

i think we talked she was being sent to like go around and encourage mask wearing in various states. it seems like is that punishment for, you know, her speaking to reporters and then he called her pathetic and she gets sent. like in broadcast news they send the reporter that said something wrong to cover something in alaska for months to get them out of the way. and i hope he's dr. birx is out on the road somewhere. >> right, this guy is in the oval office without anybody sort of, you know, fact checking, you know, making the case for herd immunity alone. >> what can go wrong? >> that was the sources i was talking to, that was their biggest concern. >> sounds like a great idea. >> if, that's plan if. >> yeah, we skipped over the other plans, now plan f. sanjay, art, thanks very much.

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president trump continues to avoid any criticism of the online conspiracy theory group qanon but as we've report, marjorie taylor greene surprised some in the gop with her congressional primary victory in a georgia district that usually goes republican so she may be on her way to congress. her unapologetic admiration of qanon makes her a believer in the theory of other things there is global elites running the world and those same people, many celebrities or democratic politicians are kidnapping and sexually abusing kids, sucking away their blood and using a pizza parlor as a prison and also worshipping satan. that's just the start. none of that stopped the

president from congratulating green on her primary win this week and today, he was asked about that support. >> she said the qanon conspiracy theory maybe something worth listening to. >> she won by a lot. she was very popular. she comes from a great state and she had a tremendous victory so absolutely i did congratulate her. please, go ahead. >> do you agree with her on that? >> go ahead. >> see, he doesn't want to actually address qanon because they actually support him. they believe he is secretly fighting this global illuminati group of hollywood celebrities and democratic leaders who are

drinking the blood of children. they said he was secretly so they ignore that whole robert mule irthing, and trump is secretly leading the fight against the drinking of children's blood. you heard the president ignore the followers. he doesn't want to criticize them, he has their support. he doesn't care that this is slanderous and insane. green herself refused to talk about qanon. she may end up going to washington, the city scarred by the 9/11 attacks. when a commercial jetliner slammed into the pentagon. green was a 9/11 truther as well. >> we witnessed 9/11, the terrorist attack in new york and

the plane that crashed in pennsylvania and the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon. it's odd, there's never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. >> 184 murdered aboard flight 77 while working at the pentagon. only yesterday, only after winning her primary did she acknowledge that it wasn't a missile that hit the pentagon. the people in georgia's 14th district who voted for her on tuesday, had no reason to think she didn't believe 9/11. they voted for her. gary tuchman tried for that interview on wednesday. she refused to talk about qanon. with me now, max boot. also new york times columnist kevin ruse for a story that ran on thursday. >> max, i know you've written about this. this is a bizarre and ludicrous

on its face conspiracy theory. it traffics in age old anti-semitic troeps of jewish bankers, anti-catholic conspiracy theories going back a long way. it's pretty obvious the president is not -- didn't want to say anything about it because he likes the support of these people. >> it's easy to dismiss them as a joke. what they believe is so lewd rouse. >> it's not a joke, the guy showed up at the pizza parlor with a -- >> yes, there have been acts of violence committed by them -- >> i get threats from them every single day. >> this is a john birch society for the modern age.

you had people in the republican party like richard nixon trying to marginalize them. that is not happening here, in fact, as you rightly showed, the president refuses to denounce them. his son has posted a giant q on his instagram page. they're actively trying to get the support of these people who are really cokooks. in today's republican party it's easier to be a supporter of qanon rather than mitt romney. that tells you where we are today. >> your reporting on it was fascinating. the people who -- i communicated with some of the believers of this. and some of them seem like decent people who seem to believe there is a global kabal of celebrities who are drinking the blood of children, worshipping satan. a lot of them, it plays into whatever -- i'm sure a lot of them are 9/11 truthers.

it plays into racist, anti-semitic troeps that have been around for a long time. >> yeah, i refer to qanon as the swiss army knife of conspiracy theories. it has a little something nor everyone. you have your anti-semitic, anti-catholic, your 9/11 truth, jfk truth. it's sort of every major conspiracy theory of the last few decades wrapped into one. you have now the movement -- the one thing the john birch society didn't have is facebook and social media. qanon is reaching out to other kinds of communities, anti-vaccine groups, some natural health groups. groups of maybe science and authority skeptical people. and trying to sort of bring them into the 230e8d. that's what we've been seeing a lot recently. >> it's interesting, because when the guy showed up at the pizza parlor with weapons to

free children who he seemed to believe were being held in a basement by the democratic leadership and torturing children in the basement of a pizza parlor in washington, it was a pizza parlor, he got arrested he's doing five years in prison. he said, you know, the -- i think his quote was something like the information wasn't 100% confirmed or something, it's -- i mean, it's not clear if he even no longer believes it, he may still very well believe this. they seem immune to facts. i mean, once that's proven wrong it sort of went away for a while. the jeffrey epstein thing seemed to bring it to life again. and now there's this fake flight list floating around on the internet that has about every well known person flying on it, and they're receiving hate because of it. >> i think as with any sort of end times movement, that sort of

is what this functions like, it's sort of a dooms day cult almost. there is this sense that there are these predictions that made q this anonymous message board poster makes dozens of predictions, they don't come true, and instead of doubting the theory, his followers sort of resolve their cognitive disdance by finding ways to slot it into their world view. that happened today. president trump was asked about qanon. and for the people in this community they have been predicting for years that the moment that president trump was asked about qanon directly, he would confirm that it was true. he would say yes, you're right, this is all happening. he didn't, and so immediately they started trying to rationalize it. he didn't want to say it this time, it's too soon. these people are not going to be convinced just by predictions. >> they were saying that the mueller team was secretly

working -- putting out subpoenas against hillary clinton, they're all going to be arrested. mueller was working with trump on this, and all the stuff we were reporting was a ruse, it wasn't the russia investigation, it was child sex trafficking, when the mueller report came out, they all said oh, well, that was disinformation we had to put out to protect the work that's going on behind the scenes. again, it's extraordinary that so many people believe this. >> but i mean to me, not that there are people with crazy beliefs in america, we know that exists. the real story is, one of them is going to be a member of congress come november, and the president of the united states will not disavow those views. >> she's a future republican star according to the president. ahead, breaking news, federal review now underway -- the inspector general looking into the postal service controversy. jim, could you uh kick the tires?

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