the coronavirus case count is stubbornly high. testing still a problem. >> this could be the worst fall from a public health perspective we ever had. >> bottom line is, i'm not pleased with how things are going. the president says it out loud. he's making it harder for you to

vote. >> the post office is not equipped for it. it is going to be a disaster. >> and it is convention week for democrats. >> kamala is smart, she's tough, she's experienced. >> the case against donald trump and mike pence is open and shut. >> welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. to the viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you for sharing your sunday. the democrats hold their virtual convention this week to officially nominate joe biden and kamala harris and launch us into the 2020 campaign stretch. election day is 11 weeks from tuesday, but to say that, or to say in 79 days to be exact gives a fualse sense there is plenty f time to tune out the sometimes annoying noise that comes with politics. the urgency is now. especially if you plan to vote by mail. the president of the united states said this past week he opposes more money for the post office, money the post office needs because interest in

mail-in voting is way up because of the coronavirus pandemic. the postal service run by a campaign donor warned states it might not process and deliver ballots on time for them to be counted. a voice from another time, meaning the republican party before the trump takeover would seem quite plain. >> i heard some people say they think the reason the president doesn't want people to vote by mail is that polls show that people who want to vote by mail tend to vote for president -- or vice president biden, people who tend to want to vote in person tend to vote for president trump and so this is a political calculation. but my own view is we want people to vote. it is essential in my view for a nation which is the leading nation of democratic nations in the world, the leader of the free world, for us to show that elections can be held in a free and fair manner. >> in other words, essential to show this is the united states of america, not belarus. now the president and supporters

are quick to say romney isn't a real republican, senator romney isn't a trump republican, that's for sure, and like all of us, he is far from perfect. but he is someone who does his homework who values data, and who gets why the president is so afraid of your vote. >> we have 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's deaths due to covid-19. and there is no way to spin that in a positive light. from the outset, there was a tendency on the part of the administration to dismiss covid-19 as a threat. not to consider how serious it could become, and there was not immediate action to, if you will, ring all the alarm bells. >> that assessment from senator romney about the beginning and seven months in that threat he talked about remains very real. if you look at the 50-state trend map, 13 states trending up, that's heading up from the middle of the week, just five or

six. 13 states heading up, 17 states, the bay states holding steady. 20 states in green heading down, steady, florida and texas, among the big drivers of the summer surge. heading back up, california. biggest driver of the summer surge in terms of case count. this map better than a few weeks ago, in a somewhat static place. case curve, this is where you see the depth of the issue facing the united states of america. april, we thought that was a peak. came down in june 1st to 17,000 cases averaging every day. then the summer surge got up close to 80,000 on average at one point. right now, down in the 50s, in the 50s. still high, 53,000 cases a day on average in the united states of america, june 1st, 17,000, right now 53,000 plus. why? the big states continue. florida, up, maybe down a little bit, we hope it continues, still more than 5,000 cases a day, where it was the beginning of june, up here now. down here, california, again,

june, steady climb, more than 10,000 cases every day from our most populous state of california. georgia and texas, texas, here's where it was the beginning of june, up, a plateau and down some, that's good. still way above 5,000 and 10,000 a day, the state of georgia, over 3,000 cases a day. i'll come back to this map as bring i i bring in dr. ashish jha. thank you for being with us on a sunday. it is like a weekly status report. yes, if you look at the curve, starting to come down some, some, but still 53,000 cases on average. where is the united states right now as more parents have to make a decision about back to school as the back to work debate continues? >> good morning, john. thank you for having me on. you summarized it perfectly. we're off the peaks, things have gotten a little bit better, but it is still an enormous amount of disease burden across much of the south and west. and parts of the middle west. and more than 1,000 americans

are continuing to die every day. so even if we plateau with this level we're going to hit 200,000 deaths sometime in september. and this is an enormous amount of suffering, most which of is preventable. >> i want to look at that number here and bring it up. we talk about this as the united states of america. we look at other countries around the world and whatever your politics at home, spend your time, go to johns hopkins, harvard, go to the websites, ones you trust, go to all of them and compare and contrast. a look at the data here, seven-day moving average, a thousand deaths, more than a thousand a day, traces back to the middle of july. we know this as sadly from our experience the last seven months it is a lagging indicator. is there any evidence this number, the death number, can be driven down until a better job is done to get that case count well below 50,000 plus a day? >> i do expect the death numbers to come down in the next few weeks because cases have come down, i believe they have actually come down. it is hard to tell a little bit,

john, because testing has also fallen by about 20%, 30%. and so it is -- the picture is muddy. but my best guess is the death count will come down some, even if it comes down to 800 deaths a day, that's 24,000 americans dying every month. what i worry about most is we're becoming immune to a level of suffering and death that we should not be, we should not accept this business as usual and that's where we are. >> one of the challenges you talked about repeatedly is testing. so if you look now at the percent positive, 18 states in the district of columbia, those are the states in green, they're below 5% positivity, where you want to be, you would be like down by 0. these gold states, the positivity rate between 6% and 10%. more than 11% of the population, the tests come back positive. so the virus is still spreading.

if you look at the change, 34 states reporting higher positivity rate, this week than last week. the case number down a bit now, still above 50,000. this map tells me hardly out of the woods, especially because as you noted, testing is down somewhat. testing is down somewhat if you look at this map here, weekly change in testing, 20 states increasing their testing, 17 states decreasing their testing, flying blind to some degree. >> yeah, and when percent positivity is high, above 5%, certainly above 10%, the key message for people at home is to understand that means that we're missing a vast majority of the cases out there. that, you know, i look at a place like texas and think, maybe that test -- the case count that they're identifying every day is 20%, 30% of all the cases, that we're missing a vast majority. that's a huge problem and we should really be a new york or massachusetts levels which are coming back at 1% or 2% or 3%.

that's how you do it and that's not what's happening across large parts of the country. >> you have repeatedly said there is not enough testing, the turn around time is not fast enough, you said it so many times that you get the attention of admiral giroir, the country's testing czar right now. listen and then respond on the other side. >> after dr. jha had been on tv so many times, he never once contacted the administration. i called him up. i said, look, if you have ideas of what we need to do or justify it, please tell me, yes, we want to increase testing, there is no physical way to do 5 million tests per day in this country. if there is a way to turn it from 1 million to 5 million today, let me know. >> your response, sir? >> this is not personal between me and admiral giroir. i think he's a good man trying to do the best he can within the context of an administration that has not wanted to use the full power of the federal government to make testing widely available i was

responding a little bit to the fact that he has been out there saying we have plenty of testing, enough testing, we don't need to be testing more folks. most public health experts disagree with that. and the idea that the federal government of the united states and the phenomenal scientific community in america cannot produce more diagnostic tests than what we have right now, when we spent $3 trillion on healthcare, to me defies logic. all of us have a whole series of ideas for admiral giroir and i think if he's willing to implement them, a bunch of russ more than willing to share they have. we have written about them, i've talked about them on the show. these are not secrets we're keeping from the administration. we're happy to engage with him at any point to lay out the ideas. he's got to be willing to lead the administration toward delivering more testing for the american people. >> let's hope that conversation opens up. and let's also hope this new saliva test helps as well. dr. jha, appreciate your expertise and insights and your calm and your candor which are important right here.

ahead, more on the voting and post office crisis. a convention like no other, a ticket looking to make history. >> well, let's sit back and think about this. joe biden had the audacity to choose a black woman to be his running mate. how incredible is that and what a statement that makes about joe biden. at visionworks, we know there's lots of things you've been avoiding. like people... and pants. but don't avoid taking care of your eyes, because we're here to safely serve you with new procedures that exceed cdc guidelines and value your time. visionworks. see the difference. here's a choice you don't have to make.ses are always making choices. the largest 5g network... award-winning customer satisfaction...

or insanely great value. now, with t-mobile for business, there's no compromise. network. support. value. choose. any. three. t-mobile for business ready when you are. wabba wabba! all new, plant powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need, with the fruit flavors they love, and 1 gram of sugar. find new creative roots in the kids' juice aisle. find new creative roots ♪ ♪ we've always put safety first. ♪ ♪ and we always will. ♪ ♪ for people. ♪ ♪ for the future. ♪ ♪ and there has never been a summer when it's mattered more. wherever you go, summer safely.

get 0% apr financing for up to five years on select models and exclusive lease offers. hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. zyrtec muddle no more. no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

home instead has helped seniors stay home. now, staying home isn't just staying in the place they love. it's staying safe. home instead. to us, it's personal. book two separate qualifying stays and earn a free night. the open road is open again.

and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. democratic convention opens tomorrow, a celebration planned for milwaukee, now largely a virtual event, thanks to the coronavirus. this part will be familiar. a who's who of democratic speakers including the clintons, the obamas and several major voices in this 2020 campaign. missing, though, is talk of major family feuds.

president trump is now the glue binding the different democra c ic factions. in the washington post, pete buttigieg put it this way. four years ago you could point to donald trump as the wolf at the gate but it was theoretical. now it is at the gate, eating the chickens. the convention goal is a four-day prosecution of the case against four more years. and the president's handling of the coronavirus pandemic is the democrats exhibit a. >> when other countries are following the science, trump pushed miracle cures he saw on fox news. while other countries were flattening the curve, he said the virus would just poof, go away. but there is a reason it has hit america worse than any other advanced nation. it is because of trump's failure to take it seriously from the start. >> with us this sunday to share

the reporting an insights, estead herndon of "the new york times." you mentioned a ghost town there in milwaukee, which is a shame, a great city, all looking forward to the convention there. as this convention begins, most will be online. the democratic ticket of biden and harris has an advantage. i want to put up our current map now. joe biden at the moment is either solid or leaning democratic states 268. very close to the 270 it takes to win the election. if he can hold what he has now and then pick up, you look at the tossups, the state of michigan, the state of north carolina, you see georgia, florida, arizona, so well within reach for the democrats as they begin the convention. exhibit a is coronavirus. what is the overriding goal for democrats here? what must they do? >> i think they know they're heading in with a structural advantage that biden is leading in polling and a sense among americans there is a frustration

particularly with the way this administration has handled that pandemic. i think this week about holding those gains is about projecting unity and projecting a type of competent and decency that biden wants to lead his electoral pitch with. the wings of the party are going at it. this say moment for democrats to say, all of that kind of electability fear was justified in placing that trust in biden and what this administration will represent is a kind of clean slate for americans. i think you'll hear that message from the aoc, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren wing of the party, from joe biden and his allies. and you'll hear it from john kasich, mike bloomberg, folks meant to appeal to the independent or swing voter. it is all about coronavirus, it is all about trump and it is all about saying this is a biden

administration that can make government work. >> it is quite striking if you live through four years ago or the democratic primaries this year that most of the democrats have decided let's get joe biden elected president and then fight over policy, then bernie sanders will get the oval office meeting and then elizabeth warren will raise the liberal issues or try to push more left, but not now. that seems to be an overriding theme. question is can they hold it together? >> it is interesting that they haven't resolved the very big issues facing the democratic party. they're just putting it off and deciding that right now they're going to run against trump and figure out the issues later. we're seeing this reflected in full, we're seeing younger voters, progressives weren't as on board with joe biden months ago now copping on boaming on b seeing continued protests in several cities. we're seeing a lot of younger voters and others who may have been skeptical of biden really uniting around this biden/harris

ticket. >> incumbents have the rose garden strategy, media attention every day. can the biden campaign keep the focus where it wants to be? there is no question and you can listen to the former vice president here that he believes the president's leadership of the pandemic is his opening, to say, a, i know what to do, and, b, i have more compassion and empathy. listen. >> every single american should be wearing a mask when they're outside, for the next three months at a minimum. every governor should mandate, every governor should mandate mandatory mask wearing. it is not about your rights, it is about your responsibilities as an american. >> it is a deliberate effort and we'll see it this week to compare and contrast. you watch the president, what his team does every day, and watch us, this is how we do it, what we do policy wise and how

we communicate they believe the empathy thing helps them. we have this experiment, in 2016, the university of michigan did this, cnn partnering with the university of michigan and georgetown in our polling firm. voters being asked what do you think about the candidates? one word answer. some word clouds. here is what americans said they heard most about the president of the united states donald trump. you see one word, look at that, coronavirus, giant on the screen there. what have they heard about vice president biden? you see a mix of words when you look at vice president biden, some of those words, you look at the smaller ones, not so great. the dominant one is coronavirus for the president in giant letters. the research showed late in the campaign that emails became so associated with hillary clinton. emails was the big number, like coronavirus is there, that's what the democrats hope to keep that word cloud today the same when we get to late october. >> exactly. i think there are two major

factors here going into november that separate it from 2016. the theory about the power of the incumbency and the reason that gets precedence and advantage, they can show and project leadership in their natural day to day course of their job. president trump, the way he used this white house has been so divisive and controversial and has not shown the kind of leadership that a lot of americans said they were looking for from the virus, so i actually think that that -- that that power of the podium that allows biden to make this a referendum on that leadership in the way that the biden campaign has benefited from. the other factor here is that the person trying to take up that vessel on the democratic side is drastically different than four years ago. whether that's a consequence of sexism, of rooted attacks against clinton, about things of her own making, we just know that voters come to joe biden in a completely different way than

they do from hillary clinton. i remember being out in friendship, wisconsin, the central portion of state earlier last month and asked the trump supporters, do you think he'll win this state? they said, he might lose. i asked him why, they said, people hate joe biden a lot less. >> that's part of the dynamic. one of the interesting parts is how does this campaign play out? the president is starting to travel more. joe biden resisted that. with senator harris on the ticket, are there plans to be a little more active at least getting out to key battleground states or do they believe staying virtual is part of we're more responsible in the middle of the pandemic message and what is the plan for senator harris? >> you could see senator harris going out to battleground states and campaigning more. we're already seeing the two of them, you know, bringing

reporters into their briefing on coronavirus that vice president biden has been getting for months now. they're trying to show that contrast to voters as much as they can, and whether that translates into actual campaign events, i think they're figuring that out. you could see senator harris getting out there more so than we have seen biden being out there. >> appreciate both of your reporting and insights this morning. 79 days ahead of us, we shall get through them all. a record number of americans say they want to vote by mail this year. the post office warning it may not process your mail-in ballot on time. sad news for the trump family this weekend. robert trump, younger brother of president trump, died saturday in new york city. the statement released last night, the president said, quote, he was not just my brother, he was my best friend. robert trump was 71. i love reviews. i've seen a huge change in my skin. my forehead wrinkles are less noticeable, and my skin is plumped and youthful!

yeah. these forehead wrinkles are not fun. revitalift. hyaluronic acid serum from l'oréal paris. yea, that look of pure terror... ...no, no, the smile... ...and that second right before the first tear comes... ...what?! pizza on a bagel-we can all agree with that. do you want a hug?

i have moderate to severe pnow, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ nothing is everything. keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way ♪ ♪ and it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything

skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance. i just... when i... let's try again. everybody back to one. accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today.

accident forgiveness it's more than just fast. it keeps all your devices running smoothly. with built-in security that protects your kids. protects your info and gives you 24/7 peace of mind that if it's connected, it's protected. even that that pet-camera thingy. can your internet do that? xfinity xfi can because it's simple, easy, awesome. get advanced security free with the xfi gateway. download the xfi app today.

the president's constant claims that mail-in voting with rife with fraud are just false, period. bust but he did have reason to worry. 45% of americans say they plan to vote by mail this year. now let's look more closely. more than 6 in 10 biden voters want to vote by mail. 24% of trump voters do. this is using the power of the presidency to try to impact the election in his own words. >> they want $25 billion, billion, for the post office. now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. if we don't make a deal, that means they don't get the money,

they can't have universal mail-in voting. just can't have it. >> it is not just the money. some experts argue that debate about money is almost a distraction. let's walk through this issue to a degree. first, the letters from the post office went out to 46 states. you see them in red here. just about everywhere in america, the post office selling election officials we cannot promise to process them on time and get them to the right place to be count on time. that's a doozy as we get close to election. what are the rules, nine states planning to have a mostly mail-in voting election. some have always done it others moving in that direction. you see the lighter green, 34 states have a essentially no excuse mail in voting in the coronavirus pandemic. if you want to vote, just ask, you don't need an excuse. seven states in red here require

voters to say why, what is the medical reason, out of state for work or whatever, they require you to give a reason. here is where this gets interesting because of the post office lesson, 29 states, your ballot must be received by election day. received by election day n 21 states, just postmarked by election day. the received by election day matters when you look at the presidential battlegrounds, michigan and wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida, georgia, arizona, colorado, i could go on. that matters hugely. your ballot must be in by election day. which is why you have secretaries of states both republicans and democrats, saying what the president says is wrong and what the post office is now warning is alarming. >> i always get worried when people try to politicize administrative processes like running elections, like delivering mail, and we have to be very careful because the average voter starts to lose

confidence in our election process. and that's the bedrock of our democracies. >> president trump is lying about vote by mail. he's lying about mail ballots. colorado has a very clean history of running great elections with vote by mail. >> with us this sunday, jessica hughesman, covers voting rights for propublica and emory mcreynolds. grateful for both of you here this sun. this is aprn people need to educate themselves on. we can't count on washington doing anything. jessica, let me start with you, i was reading some of your work and there is a fight over the money for the post office, but in your view, it is the rules changes that are more significant. the new post master general imposing new rules, cutting back over time in some places, taking away the sorting machines. why is this such a big deal? >> i think what people don't

realize is that this -- even if we had 100% turnout and every single registered voter cast a ballot, that would pale in comparison to the amount of mail that the usps handled at thanksgiving and christmas every year. i think the capacity issues and the funding issues at the white house don't necessarily concern me so much as the policy changes that mr. dejoy has been making, cutting back on overtime, decommissioning sorting machines, these are all things that, you know, that's why we can pull christmas off because if a poll worker -- postal worker doesn't finish his route or is unable to deliver a package or package comes in that day to go out that night, they can run extra rounds, they can do that overtime. if we reduce the hours and the poll works on rotation at any

given time, we cannot deliver as much mail. i think we shouldn't necessarily worry so much about overall capacity or overall funding but the policy changes could make it difficult to pull off vote by mail in november. >> the president is trying to make a distinction, he's a florida resident, came to the white house as a new york resident, but he's going to vote by absentee ballot. he says it is a huge difference, an ventee voting versus mail-in voting. >> universal mail-in voting will be catastrophic, will make our country the laughingstock all over the world. absentee is good, mail-in, universal, is really, really bad. >> now the pandemic, is there such a giant distinction as the president says or is that false? >> it is false. it is a matter of terminology.

the fact is when people vote at home, the ballot is handled in the exact same way when it comes back to the election office. there is no difference and it is a matter of semantics and differences by state laws. but fundamentally they are essentially the same thing. in some states you have to request it, others you do not. it comes to you automatically based on your registration information on file. this is a matter of putting voters first, giving them options to vote at home. it is just not true they're fundamentally different. >> for somebody out there watching, my view is voters have to take responsibility for this, learn the rules in their state, learn if their state says you have to put in the mailbox or the state is having secure drop boxes. you hear a lot of governors saying our state officials saying we need to do that.

help a voter understand, what must they do to make sure if they vote by mail, they get a ballot and it gets counted? >> first and foremost, check your registration, make sure you're registered to vote, make sure you updated your address. check your registration. if you want to sign up to vote at home, you can do that today in most states. we recommend going right to your state's website, a lot of states have added the ability for voters to sign up online in their states. sign up early. we don't want to see people get tied up in the huge volume come late september. so sign up today. a lot of states like california, michigan, virginia, georgia now, a lot of states are actually implementing expanded ballot tracking options. meaning just like tracking a

package, you can track your ballot through the process. the other aspect is sign up for ballot tracking so you get that accountability as to where your ballot is and when it is on its way to you. that gives you the extra verifiable information that can help you through the voting process. >> good advice. jessica, the house of representatives might come back. the post master general who met with the president, that's why there is suspicion here. mr. dejoy says i took over an organization that is a mess. i need to balance the backs, change things, does he have a point about this of some or does the timing leading you to think, no, if you do these things, how about starting the day after the election, not the weeks before. >> i think two things can be true at the same time. a lot of the machines being

decommissioned, larming for folks over the weekend, those things needed to happen for quite some time. many will tell you the decommissioning of some of the commitment is routine, and i think the heightened politization of the election this year and the unfortunate comments president trump is making that is untrue about the process has let to more suspicion of what the usps is going to do here. i don't think mr. trump can have it both ways. i think there are still questions to be asked, but i am not as alarmed as many people have expressed this weekend. i think some of these changes

were a long time coming and joined before the interest, but the timing of the changes and the speed at which they're happening leads me to be a little more suspicious than i might otherwise have would be. >> ladies, thank you both. we're going to continue this conversation and bring you back both repeatedly as we go through this. up next, the back too school choice, two doctors weigh in on the coronavirus in the hopes of getting students back in the classroom with their friend and teachers. they need us and we need you. home instead. apply today. to kiddo curls...ays... home instead. to playgrounds reimagined... we're all finding new ways to soak up a little sun. but sunscreen is still a must. so grab the brand derms trust most for their families.

love, neutrogena®. no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. i've seen a huge change in my skin. my forehead wrinkles are less noticeable, and my skin is plumped and youthful! yeah. these forehead wrinkles are not fun. revitalift. hyaluronic acid serum from l'oréal paris.

president trump, the back to school debate is simple. he wants the old normal back. >> virtual is not as good as being there. virtual is just not the same thing. and for a long time we have been hearing how great it would be, how great it would be. we had the ultimate sample, right? the whole country practically and it is not as good. >> this of course is not the

president's decision. even his own son will start the year with virtual learning. but what is the best course for parents who do have a choice? those whose children have the option of being back in the classroom. we know two such parents who have a better understanding of the science and the risks than many of us. dr. sanjay gupta, the chief medical correspondent, the father of sixth, eighth and tenth grade girls, see them there, they're beautiful, megan ranney lives in rhode island, her son there, entering the third grade, her daughter, the sixth grade. two doctors, two parents, two different decisions i believe because you both have different sets of data. let's look at it. dr. ranney, you live in rhode island, the new case average, 85 per 1 million residents. the test average running about 5%. dr. gupta, you're in georgia, 350 cats per 1 million people. a positivity test rate of 11%.

>> the way i see it, john, there are three things i was looking for when making the decision about whether or not to send my kids back to school. the first is that community transmission rate that you already mentioned. that level of positivity less than 5% and the level of community transmission of less than about 100 per 100,000 suggests that it is unlikely that there will be a lot of folks in the school setting who are positive. the second thing looking is -- looking at how my school system itself is prepared. my school system is mandating masks. they have ppe for nurses and they have procedures for how to deal with the inevitable positive infected student teacher or staff member. that was the second part for me. and then the third part was considering my own family circumstances. none of us are super high risk in terms of healthcare, and for us having our kids back in physical school really would be

a huge help for us both in terms of their social and emotional development, but, of course, also in terms of my own work as an emergency physician. >> you came to a different decision, dr. gupta, because of statistics there in georgia. i talk to you as a doctor all the time. you're the parent of three girls and they want to go back to school. take us inside the pressure of that, i assume you agree with dr. ranney, it is better to be in school for education, emotional well-being, you came to a no, why? >> it has been a very difficult time as a dad. three preteen girls who, you know, have been pretty cooped up, going stir crazy, they want to go to school for all the reasons that dr. ranney mentioned and their friends. it has to do with what's going on here in the community of georgia and atlanta. i decided to do my homework.

i went to the school, saw what they doing, there is not a mask mandate in my state, the school was going to implement the mask mandate, they have hygiene. they're trying to maintain physical distance, but it is the exact same metrics that dr. ranney is looking at are different where i live. as you mentioned, we have a much higher positivity rate, closer to 11%. we're not testing enough. it means the likelihood of coming in contact with somebody who has the virus is going to be higher. i thought about it from the health perspective of the health of my children, the health of the community, the health of my wife and i and all of that. >> dr. ranney, you don't think you're going to be in the situation very long, we have seen headlines this past week in indiana, from where sanjay lives in georgia, in mississippi, in alabama, school districts that have gone back, where they have the inevitable, some sin ev tin. you write, in leaps magazine, i expect this discussion will soon

be a moot point, we continue to fail as a nation at basic public health policies, unlikely schools anywhere will be open by october. you're sending your children back to school. why? >> as dr. gupta just said, because we lack a national strategy, because the virus is still spreading largely unchecked in most of the country, even those of us that currently live in little pockets like rhode island or new york city where the level of the virus is low, we're going to see i rise in the virus because of travel and the fact that the virus does not respect state borders. and we're going to be having the normal respiratory virus season start. we start having kids come to school with flu-like symptoms, rsv, all of the coughs and colds that all of us as parents are so familiar with, it is going to be nearly impossible for those schools to stay open. >> parents of your daughter's

friends maybe making a different decision. what do you say to the parent who looks at the same data and says i'm going to take my chances. >> you're right. you're a parent yourself, dr. ranney is a parent, xhmy ki say, hey, the other kids are doing it, what's wrong with you? these are really important conversations. i got to tell you, just as a parent, these are conversations i'm having with my kids i never had before. i'm talking to them about the risk of going back to school, not just for themselves, but for the community as a whole. it is this bifurcated explanation you have to do that if not just for yourself, that please don't be somebody who adds fuel to this pandemic fire going on now. to answer your question, it is complicated. this is not an easy decision. i'm not being preachy. i'm not trying to be judgmental. i know the people can look at the same data and come to different conclusions, and frankly, you know, i think

dr. ranney and i both agree, we have some -- we feel privileged in a way that we can even do it, that we can even have the kids at home. a lot of people can't, they can't. so it is not a question of judging right now, this is a complicated situation through which we're all learning. this is just the decision i came to. >> and it is a complicated is the right word for it. 13,000 school districts across the country. i'm grateful, two great parents with great expertise. thank you so much. >> next for us, joe biden wrote big crime bills, kamala harris is the prosecutor. can the ticket win over black lives matter advocates. serve you with new procedures that exceed cdc guidelines and value your time. visionworks. see the difference. here's a choice you don't have to make.ses are always making choices.

the largest 5g network... award-winning customer satisfaction... or insanely great value. now, with t-mobile for business, there's no compromise. network. support. value. choose. any. three. t-mobile for business ready when you are. made with 98% naturally-derived ingredients bursting with super fruits to nourish hungry hair yes to vegan no to silicones yes to nourish no to weighdown fructis treats by garnier naturally! is now a good time enough, crohn's. for adults with moderate to severe crohn's or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the only approved medication to reduce inflammation on and below the surface of the intestine in uc. you, getting on that flight? back off, uc.

stelara® may increase your risk of infections, some serious, and cancer. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, sores, new skin growths, have had cancer, or if you need a vaccine. rpls, a rare, potentially fatal brain condition, may be possible. some serious allergic reactions and lung inflammation can occur. lasting remission can start with stelara®. if you've been financially impacted by covid-19, janssen may be able to help. wabba wabba! all new, plant powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need, with the fruit flavors they love, and 1 gram of sugar. find new creative roots in the kids' juice aisle.

black women are the most reliable piece of the democratic coalition. kamala harris knows that is partly why she has a chance now

to make history. >> there will be a planned -- you don't want to have any false modesty about a black woman being on the ticket. but it takes more than just that to motivate black women to vote. people have to speak to their issues. and the biden/harris ticket does that. >> does it do that? or are there still questions about biden's role in past crime debates and busing or about harris' work as a prosecutor? it is a fascinating question for me. we talked earlier in the program, the sanders wing, other liberal wings of the party that might have issues with joe biden, largely muting them saying let's beat trump, then we'll talk. do you think it's the same issue black female voters who might have an issue with kamala harris's role as a prosecutor or joe biden's past debate? could this be enough to get enthusiasm and turnout? >> what we know is that black women are kind of the most loyal base of the democratic party. they will vote for democrats probably in the largest number of any demographic group. the question is about energy and

turnout. that is one that probably would've been high with donald trump on the ballot anyway. but we can expect to see some level of energy because of the kind of historic ticket that when we look back four years ago hillary clinton kind of returned to john kerry-esque level of turnout. she was a little more closer to the obama '08 or the obama 2012 numbers. i think that this biden ticket sees harris as someone that can move them closer in that direction. but i will also say that is largely going to come down to black men who we also see the biggest dropoff with in terms of turnout or in terms of voting for republicans in slightly higher numbers. if she's going to get that obamaesque energy, it's going to have to come from both black women and black men. >> how do they do that outreach snufz covered some of these protests in the wake of the george floyd and other horrific

incidences in the united states of america where you see black women and black men out there. and they're mad at the system and some of them, frankly, are skeptical that joe biden is the old guard. kamala harris the word prosecutor to many of them has their heads snap back. what can they do to get at them and say, look, a, we're listening, b, let's defeat the president, he's the bigger enemy? >> i think it's going to be that double-sided argument. there is the kind of think first for november argument which is particularly motivating to a kind of older generation or maybe folks who are disaffected from the process and they want to bring them in, that we're going to be the administration that listens to you. but the other message is that we're moveable, that they are someone who can respond to pressure and that that's a better partner for movements and for kind of activist leaders and a trump administration who has no interest in hearing them and actively runs against their concerns. there is a structural problem though with the ticket democrats have, in particular the request of younger more progressive

activists. this is not a ticket that embraces the kind of big systemic change. they use the language of systemic racism. but they are not embracing the kind of ideals that the kind of younger crowd wants in terms of change. that's going to be a disconnect. but i think the foremost concern for the ticket is going to be try to motivate people to say, you know, we can deal with that stuff after november, let's get trump out first. >> very much appreciate your reporting and your insights for opening a fascinating and insightful chapter. next up, "state of the union" with jake tapper. naturally-derived ingredients bursting with super fruits to nourish hungry hair yes to vegan no to silicones yes to nourish no to weighdown fructis treats by garnier naturally!

hi jen! hi. so you're the scientist here. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? it's true jen. really?! this prebiotic oat formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. impressive! aveeno® healthy. it's our nature. i'm what they dream of. i'm a horse, but cuter. i'm a horse, but magical. pizza on a bagel-we can all agree with that.

you're like a party rental. next, the president, the postal service and joe biden's pick. plus, are stimulus talks in white house

women represented the 100-year battle for equality, saturday at 10:00. ♪