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allegiance to them at all and a message to those republican who is care about fact and truth and decency, your side in this battle is losing. thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. news continues next. vrm this is gps. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, america's attention was fixed this week on joe biden's choice of a running mate. beyond that, america and the world are still grappling with the pandemic. a fresh assortment of crisis from belarus to beirut. i'll talk about it are richard h hasan. as the u.s. continues with how to open schools, lessons
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from the first european country to do so successfully. denmark flung schoolhouse doors open way back on april 15th. what have they learned? i'll talk to the nation's education minister. russian president putin compared it to the cold war space race and he says he's won. who is poised to cross the finish line first and safely? we'll tell you. first, here's my tamke. rarely has the metaphor been more apt. washington is fiddling while america burns. congress and the trump administration are barely negotiating anymore while unemployment remains at levels rarely seen since the great depression. cannot be fooled by the stock market's vitality which reflects
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the strength of a handful of stocks that dominate the indices. the conditions for tens of millions of americans are bleak with few jobs, low incomes and a soaring number of business failures. despite these emergency conditions, worse than during the crisis of 2008, washington simply cannot get its act together. political polarization has a lot to do with the break down. democrats and republicans both gain more from their supporters by standing up to the opposing party rather than kmocompromisi with it. n that makes it difficult to pass large, complicated bills and democrats believe they have the upper hand are demanding that republicans make larger compromises. the heart at the problem, large numbers of republicans believe that the federal government should not be spending this much money, that the debt burden is rising to unconsciousable levs and the u.s. is risking its
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future financial health. every one of these concerns are wrong or largely exaggerated. let's remember this is an almost unique situation where the economy has not created not because of too much debt or a collapse in financial system or any of the usual causes of recession. the pandemic has meant people that would happily buy and sell goods and services cannot do so for fear of infection. add government rules on top of that natural caution and large parts of the economy have shut down. it's a great paralysis more than a great depression. until a vaccine is administered widely, normal levels of economic activity will not return. that means that the government has to step in and help people who through no fault of their own cannot engage in regular economic activity. it's described more like disaster relief than stimulus
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program. the irs directed at state and city governments run by democrats which they claim are bloated and mismanaged. this is the point. even the the claims are true and this many class thplaces they a ir relevant to the places. new york city ma be badly run by subway ridership has dropped by 85% and its sale tax revenue by 30% for reasons that are mostly unrelated to this mismanagement. these are extraordinary times in another crucial sense. countries that issue debt in their own currencies such as britain, the united states and japan have a golden opportunity to spend money at little cost. the u.s. treasury can issue 30-year bonds on which it pays less than 1.5% interest. democratic and republican negotiators are a part right now
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by about $1 trillion. that works out to annual interest payments of under 15 billion. that's less than .5% of last year's federal budget. the f-35 fighter aircraft program, alone, costs more than breaking this national gridlock and providing relief to the entire american economy. further more after accounting for inflation, bond holders will be paying the u.s. government for the honor oflending it money. we have been here before. in 2009, dozen of republican leaders like paul ryan and public interest groups argue the stimulus bill and federal reserves action in that crisis would cause higher inflation, economic collapse and the decline of the dollar. in fact, the opposite happened. the united states chugged along to its longest peacetime recovery on record. the dollar soared, american
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banks emerged stronger than all the rest and the american stock market out performed the world. undeterred by this record of failure, many of the same voices are at it again saying this time all the the things they wrongly predicted in 2009 really will happen. perhaps. it's also likely we're in a period where inflation will stay low. for the next year, spending will continue to be very low as people travel and eating out and public entertain and sports. in this kind of a world if the government has the capacity to step in and fill the gap at low costs, it should consider itself blessed. the great german state'sman was onto something when he said god has a special providence for fools, drunks and the united
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states of america. go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my washington post column this week, and let's get started. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. that was in middle east that was announced on thursday. the announcement came not from the region but from president trump. he said from the oval office that israel and the unite d d a emirates agreed to a deal. their shared enemy is iran. what does the normalization mean? joining me are two former directors of policy planning at the state department.
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how trump unmaid u.s. foreign policy. emily slaughter had the planning post under president barack obama. she's now the c earthquaeo of t tank new america. richard, does this not prove one sort of central plank of america's middle east policy or the way people often part of it which was the palestinian problem was at the center of the middle east. the last 10 years or 20 years, what has been at the center is the divide between the shiaas and the autocrat and the democrats. but not to the palestinian
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peace process. >> up to a point. it still is at the center for future of palestinians. if israel is going the be permanently a democratic jewish state at some point it has to come to terms with palestinians. this is an important development. it took annexation off the table for the time being. as you pointed out, this is the third arab state now to formally accept israel as a member of the region. >> anne-marie slaughter, what does this mean for the palestinian question, what does this mean for the palestinians? there are people like peter binart arguing with annexation at this point, a two-state is no longer viable? >> the point is exactly that trump came to office wanting to make the historic nobel peace
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prize winning deal between the palestinians and israel and now he's making peace around the palestinians. what is truly significant here is that the uae is formalizing what has been an open secret, that israel has had a close relation with the uae, as it had with saudi arabia, but those relationships have not been formalized because of the palestinians. this is the first step of essentially saying to the palestinians, look, either you get your house in order and negotiate something, even though netanyahu is a very untrustworthy negotiator, or we're just moving ahead. in that sense it's very much like lebanon. the question will be, will younger palestinians essentially say, we want a leadership that is honest and represents us, and that way we can ultimately get a deal, or does it continue at the stalemate where now the palestinians are just getting left behind, tragically so? >> richard, what do you make of that idea that there is, you know, there could be a trigger for some kind of reform?
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and i liked anne-marie's linking of palestinian are lebanon because it allows me to also segue to the question to ask you. does what's happening in lebanon look leak it could produce a movement for reform? >> in lebanon, sad to say, i don't see it. lebanon looks more to me like the textbook failed state. this country has lived, as you know, by demographic fixes for decades. you have the presence of hezbollah and iranian-backed militia. i don't see the prerequisites for political reform. one thing in middle east, the enemy can sometimes be your friend. the other is situations have to get worse before they get even worse. i simply don't see a silver lining in what is going on in lebanon.
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>> before we take a break for this block and go on to other things, i want to ask each of you a question about the big news of today, which kamala harris. anne-marie, i wanted to ask you, what do you think we should be looking at because, you know, there is a particular double standard still for women. i remember hillary clinton coming on this show and talking about how, you know, just -- you're still judged by appearance, you're still judged by the range of, you know, the -- how much emotion you show. what should we think about when we think about kamala harris running for the vice presidency? >> well, she'll still be judged by a double standard but i think we should making enormous progress, that this is now normal. this is the second election in a row you have a woman running for either president or vice president. and this time around, she'll get judged in all sorts of ways, but what's most important about kamala harris is she's the future of america. she's indian-american, african or jamaican america, she has
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jewish stepchildren, a white husband. we should just be thinking that this is all american. >> richard, there is one disturbing element to this. so, this is the second african-american to be on the national major party's ticket for president. and it is now the second time that donald trump has raised speculation that, perhaps, this person is ineligible to be -- to run on this ticket because she was not -- she's not properly an american citizen. you know, there's no -- there's no basis for this whatsoever, even less than there was for obama, even though in both cases it was nonsense. but this is a sad part of this story as well. >> it's worse than sad. it's disgraceful to see people trafficking in this sort of a political filth to try to delegitimatize a political figure. last time i checked, fareed, president trump has been president for 3 1/2 years. he now wants a second term. it seems to me his campaign
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should be about what he accomplished over his first term, and second of all, what he plans to do if he's given a second term. but to contact the constitutionality of his opponent, that's just another sign of how low we've sink, how every norm imaginable is being violated. >> stay with me. next on "gps," a dramatic and disturbing scene in hong kong on monday as some 200 police officers raided the newsroom of the top opposition publication apple daily and marched the billionaire owner jimmy lai through the newsroom in handcuffs. lai has long wanted the u.s. to take a harder line on china. will it? i will ask richard and anne-marie when we come back. and it still smells fresh. n d pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks.
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we are back with richard haass and anne-marie slaughter. what should washington do about events in hong kong? at one level, very disturbing. clearly, there is now real political pressure being placed on hong kong that a way that totally negates the one country, two systems approach the chinese promised, on the other hand hong kong is part of china. is it something washington can do much about? >> not this washington at this time. china is betting hong kong is a side show to the trump administration. it obviously upsets some members of congress, but overall, this administration is not about to put anything on the line for hong kong specifically. there's too much else going on, and that is certainly not where donald trump's heart is. i think it's tragic, in many ways, but the one -- i don't know if it's a silver lining, but it's been interesting to see
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that although, there have been specific leaders that the overall movement in hong kong is being led by many, many different people. a little again, like lebanon, like other protests we've seen around the world, so much harder to decapitate and shut down definitively. but i don't think there's much the united states is going to do that will make a difference. >> richard haass, should the united states -- the trump administration seems to be trying to get tough with china, but often it seems kind of rhetorical. it seems more a campaign strategy than a foreign policy. >> if the united states were going to get tough with china, fareed, we would find our way to join the transpacific partnership to provide an economic front against china. we would stop banging the south koreans over the head about how much they're paying for the presence of american forces. we would become much more
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competitive. we would have a much more selective, creative immigration policy. we would have better education in this country. we would have our own 5g. we would increase the amount we are spending on basic research so we would outcompete china. so, there's a real gap between the tough rhetoric on china and a policy which, i think, more often than not, has created space for china, including such things as pulling out of the world health organization. every time we create a diplomatic or political vacuum, guess what, china benefits. >> what about russia and vladimir putin. you have in belarus a contested election and a brutal shutdown of protests. will putin try to take advantage of the situation in belarus and move in the way he did in ukraine? >> well, fareed, it's certainly a possibility. there are lots of echoes here of ukraine where we had a very similar situation with mass protests and putin very, very
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worried about successful democratic opposition on his borders. but i do think the eu has moved very quickly. the 27 have met and agreed to impose sanctions on those responsible for rigging the elections and for the torture of protesters who have been arrested. i don't think that putin can afford the kind of economic pain he's -- he was experienced through the ukraine sanctions, nor can he actually afford military deaths should he send in troops. so, it's a tense situation and it's certainly possible, but i think it's unlikely. it would be far better if the united states were really working very closely with the eu. again, this is not where trump is going to put his energy. >> richard, i want to close by asking you about a really
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terrific piece you have in the current issue of "foreign affairs," but it is a scathing assessment of donald trump's foreign policy. essentially arguing where after 1945 the united states built an international system that has preserved peace and allowed for prosperity. donald trump is present at the destruction. he is, in a sense, destroying that system. explain why -- this was a tougher critique than i've seen you write about trump in the past. >> well, it is a tough critique, fareed. i was careful in doing it. in part given my situation. as you know, i lead a nonpartisan institution. but i think the stakes are enormous. i think the united states has benefitted. the benefits have been far greater than the costs of our international leadership over the last 75 years. this has been one of the great runs in history, the institutions that were built. we won the cold war, stayed peaceful, we won it on our terms, the unified germanys and nato. the average american has a far,
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far higher standard of living. far more people around the world are living in democracies. this has been an extraordinary era. the idea we would dismantle it without having something better or viable or preferable to put in its place, that, to me, is the definition of reckless. that's why i wrote this critical piece, because i really do think we are toying in some ways with the lines of history here and the stakes are enormous. >> well, i really recommend that people go to "foreign affairs" website and try to get the essay. anne-marie, richard haass, always a pleasure. next on "gps," how in the world is america going to reopen schools? in a moment we will get a proper lesson from the education minister of denmark where the schools reopened with success four months ago. -my grandma. -my cousin. my great-great grandmother. she was all of 4'11" but very tenacious.
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on wednesday, cdc director robert redfield warned america could be in for its worst autumn ever from a public health perspective if citizens don't take precautions. this comes as schools around the country are already struggling. this picture of a crowded hallway went viral after a student posted it. shortly the school went temporarily to all virtual learning after nine students and staff members tested positive for covid-19. it's emblematic of america's struggle about what to do with schools. let us get a global lesson from
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the european country that reopened schools first, denmark, which opened elementary schools way back on april 15th. the country's reopening has been hailed as a resounding success. pernille rosenkrantz-theil is the education minister. good to have you on, minister. >> good day. >> so, you started the schools back open at a time when actually in april there was -- there was a peak. the infection rates were peaking. it seemed a bit of a gamble. you were betting that this was, indeed, a peak and things would start moving down. what went into the calculation to start to reopen the schools that early before a lot of other european countries were even doing it? >> for us it was crucial to keep the children in smaller groups when they came back to school. so instead of having all pupils
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together in big hallways, for instance, or together in big canteens eating their lunch, we kept them apart. so, our calculation was that if we could keep the children in smaller groups when they were at class and also when they were on break, then it would be possible for us to retain the situation, and so far it has been successful. >> as you say, you've reopened and there has been no uptick kind of in general terms. but did you learn something about, you know, things not to do or to do better once you opened?
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what -- were there some initial trial and errors that took place? >> i think one of the -- maybe most important things that we have been also discussing in denmark afterwards has been that it has been those places where the cooperation between the teachers unions, the parents organizations, and the local authority, if the cooperation between these three parties has been strong, then it has been a strong and successful reopening. on a national basis, this has been functioning very well. and, therefore, the teachers and the parents were on a general basis very safe to put the -- to have the children back in school and also for the teachers to go back to work. but on a local level, this cooperation has also been very, very important. both to the teachers and to the parents and also for having a successful and feeling of safety
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when returning to kindergarten or schools. >> i notice in your guidelines, and in practice, you do not do something that is much talked about in the united states, which is masks. you do not require the teachers or students wear masks. why? >> that's because we have separated the classes so that the children will only meet approximately 25 students. it's the same students in every class, every day, every week, every month. they won't see children from other classes. and, therefore, it's possible for us, if there is a breakout, we know these children have not been together with 100 other children. they have only seen 25 classmates. therefore the mask is not as necessary as when we go to public transportation where you obviously would see lots of different people at different times of the day. so, the key issue for us has been to have the amount of pupils seeing each other to be as small as possible all the way through the reopening. >> you seem to be pointing to a key to your success in this education reopening, which is in a way a key to success in danish and northern european politics is a certain consensus approach
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where the teachers, the unions, the parents all work together. in the united states, this has actually been very conflictual. do you have any lessons, how do you handle situations when there is a clear clash between the unions and the government? >> we haven't had that clash when it came to corona. i think it's not possible to invent good cooperation when corona occurs. it has been there. 98% of teachers in denmark are members of the same union. we have a high rate of organization. so, when the chairman of the teachers union talked to the government or the local municipalities, then he has the backing of 98% of the teachers in denmark. it's not possible to build that
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in a week because of corona. it has to be in the long run that you build very strong unions, therefore, you have the representation of most teachers when there is a crisis like this. >> now, you have very low test positivity rates but there is an uptick in cases, which is probably inevitable as more interact. is there anything you're wondering and to make a course correction? >> yes. for the first half year of the corona, we have met the virus with national general standards. now we are -- so we're finished with the hammer on the coronavirus and has put it down on a level where we have the control over the national level. but now we have many places in europe, we have local outbreaks. so the next half year we're look at dancing with the corona, as we call it, which means we will
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have temporarily shutdowns on a local municipality level. and that change of focus obviously means that we have to, again, find out how to do this so that the situation is safe for the children, it's safe for the teachers and that we can smoothly implement new ways of doing the dance with the corona. >> well, you've given us lessons to learn from. thank you, minister. >> thank you. next on "gps," the pandemic has changed almost all aspects of life from large to small. how best to negotiate such kinds of shock to the system, to the person. the author bruce feiler has been studying just that and he has some answers. back in a moment. don't forget, if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.
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in mid-march life suddenly and unexpectedly changed for all of us. for some, it has been inconvenient, for others life-shattering. this is what the author bruce feiler would term a lifequake, one of great magnitude felt simultaneously around the world. so, how does one deal with lifequakes? bruce feiler joins me now. he's the author of six consecutive new york times best sellers. his new book is "life is in the transitions." bruce, begin by telling us why you wrote this book, what inspired you.
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it has something to do with your father. >> that's exactly right, fareed. first of all, thank you for having me. as you said, we're all in this lifequake, which is a massive change that has aftershocks that last for years. and i got interested in these events because i went through one a few years ago, as you know. i just got walloped by life. first i got cancer, as a new dad, then i almost went bankrupt. and my dad, who has parkinson's, tried to take his own life, six times, actually, in 12 weeks. there wasn't really a book i could find that helps you in these moments when life seems to come at you from all directions. and i thought there must be some wisdom out there. i set out on this journey, crisscrossing the country, collecting what became hundreds of life stories of americans in all 50 states. people who lost limbs, lost homes, changed careers, changed
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religions, got sober, got out of bad marriages. i then got a team of 12 people and we spent a year coding, combing through these stories, trying to tease out ideas that could help all of us survive and thrive in times of change. and so the big idea that emerged, as you said, is that the linear life is dead. what you and i grew up with. the idea there's going to be one job and one home and one relationship and one source of -- and it's been replaced by what i call the nonlinear life which has many more twists and turns and ultimately transitions that we have to navigate across the whole span of our lives. >> so, how does one live life, as you put it, out of order, where, you know, things come at you unexpectedly, things come at you in ways you didn't anticipate. what's the key element there? >> the key element is to understand that the lifequake that you go through, it could be voluntary, you leave a marriage, right, or you change careers. it could be involuntary. you get fired or you get a diagnosis, you lose some limbs. that the lifequake can be voluntary or involuntary but the life transitions that come out
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of it must be voluntary. you have to choose to lean in and go through the steps. that leads us to the moment we're in now because what we're in now is a collective -- i call it collective involuntary lifequake. it's the first one in where the entire planet is going through it. it seems like we're all going through it together, actually the way it's going to affect each of us is going to be different. so, that the lifequake is the same, but the life transition that comes out of it is going to be different for each of us. this person may choose to get sober. this person may choose to move. this family may choose to kind of rethink how they're going to take care of their children. so, i think that the first and most important thing is to decide which transition you want to go through that's coming out of the lifequake we're in. >> finally, you say, it's only you who can give meaning to your own life. in other words, it's not the job. ultimately this is kind of an act of self-definition that
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helps you succeed or go through this more than anything else. >> life transition at its core is a narrative event. you know, one thing we've learned in the last generation is that story in your head about who you are, where you came from, who you want to be, where you're going, that story isn't part of you. it is fundamentally who you are. that life is the story that you tell yourself. and here we are in this moment, fareed, we like to think of other stories as a fairy tale. there's a hero and a happy ending. in those fairy tales it's the wolf that shows up. there's a wolf or a dragon or an ogre or a tornado or a downsizing or a death, or a pandemic. and in order for that story to work, you have to figure out a way to get around or through or around or under that wolf. so, right now we are all facing the same wolf. and we have to understand that that's fundamentally what life is about. life gets us stuck, and the life
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transition helps us get unstuck. so, what i want to say is whatever you're struggling with and whatever's keeping you awake at night, if you come on this journey with me, you're going to meet people and find something you can do tonight, tomorrow, next week, three months from now, so that whatever transition you're in, we can make it go a little bit better and a lot more effectively. we can get past these wolves. there is knowledge out there. we can do it together. >> bruce feiler, always a pleasure. >> thank you, fareed. next on "gps," from the race for space to the race for a covid-19 vaccine. did the russians win both? not so fast. i'll explain when we come back. if you've ever wanted your home to look a little more like the "gps" set, and who doesn't, now it can. the cnn store has "gps" mugs in stock. just go to store.cnn.com and search "gps." order a matched pair or a set of ten for your next viewing party and fill those mugs with your beverage of choice. just go to store.cnn.com/gps.
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now for the last look. russia has had another "sputnik" moment. at least that is what president putin would have you believe. during a cabinet meeting on tuesday, vladimir putin announced that the world's first covid-19 vaccine has been registered. meet gam covid vac, it attaches the main coronavirus prone teen protein in order to trick the body into fighting covid-19. but immediately critics raised thele harm that russia cut quarters. they passed a allow allowing a vaccine to be approved before the third phase of trials.
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and those first two clinical trial phases had tested many times fewer people than normald. the kremlin maintains that the vaccine is safe, effective and ready to go into widespread production within a few months. in fact putin said his own daughter received the vaccine. so did the drug's main researcher. but with very little data published on the vaccine, experts are left to wonder whether it will be effective or safe. so why is rush that throwing caution to the wind to be the first to declare it had a vaccine? it boils down to nationalism. look no further than the nickname, russians gave the vaccine "sputnik" 5. it is a sign of russia's desired scientific resurgence. as an article pointed out, any covid-19 gives its home nation
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an exceptional edge. it brings not only self power and prestige but also a chance to inoculate enough of the workforce to jump-start the economy ahead of the rest of the world. but being fishsz only counrst l the vaccine works. if not, it could backfire. and though registered earliest, it is not the furtherest along in development. among the 20 in clinical trials, seven have already moved into that critical large scale phase three testing akd tnd the first is a joint oxford and astrazeneca vaccine. but the real success story looks to be china. of those seven in phase three trial, more than half were developed there. like russia, china took the risk of approving a vaccine for use
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before tests were completed but only for the people's liberation army instead of for internationalenter nag international distribution. not only did china have information first, but they are second only to the united states in the world. and china is closing that gap. since 2000, it accounted for about a third of the growth in global r&d spending. some critics worry that chinese vaccine may not meet international standards. one only needs to look at recent history. thousands of chinese children were 2k3wi67b defective vaccines in 2018. and chinese scientists face political pressure to perform. but with covid-19, china so far is meeting many of the same standards as for instance the united states. china's only problem in widespread testing is a positive
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one. you see vaccine trials choir re exposure to the virus. but their efforts were so successful that its citizens are unlikely to get sick. instead clinical trials are being held in pakistan and brazil. as when personal protective equipment hoard going happened and beijing cha to the rescue by delivering masks, china's attitude is though we were the cause, we will also be the cure. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. now, simparica trio simplifies protection.
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you are live in the cnn newsroom. thanks for joining me. i'm ana cabrera. and the democratic national convention opens tomorrow. the look and feel will be a lot different as the event goes virtual because of the coronavirus. but one part will be familiar. a who's who of democratic speakers including the clintons, obamas and major voices in this 2020 campaign, joe biden will accept the nomination on thursday, a personal triumph for him more than