voters will reward him for the mask. katherine, appreciate your insights. hope you join us tonight for the democratic convention coverage starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. anderson cooper picks up our coverage right now. i'm anderson cooper. welcome viewers here in the united states and around the world. a mixed picture. the country on the decline or holding steady in terms of new cases compared to a week ago including the southeast, the sight of multiple hotspots. total number of new cases in the u.s. nearly cut in half continuing a downward trend. those encouraging signs are overshadowed by troubling ones, deaths continue to climb in 19 states and a largest state to resume in-person learning the university of north carolina says it will shift online after

130 stuchbdents tested positiver the virus in a first week of the classes. the newspaper of the unit said it's a cluster and then an expletive. i'll speak with the op-ed or the next hour. as moderna says enrollment is expanding in the trial for a vaccine dr. fauci gave his thoughts on who will get it first. >> by the beginning of 2021 there should be limited doses, t tens of millions of doses so the process is to make a prioritization for those who would benefit the most and need it the most. as we get well into 2021, it is likely that there be enough doses for anyone that wanted it. >> just a few days after the tsa announced a new high for travelers in the pandemic and a new study found a spread of the coronavirus on a commercial

flight in europe. want to go to cnn's seen your medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. what are the details? >> reporter: this is very interesting. i think people knew it was possible and probably probable to get coronavirus from someone on a flight but the german researchers did meticulous research to show exactly what happened on one flight. this was a flight back in march from tel aviv to frankfurt, even infected people on the flight. they didn't realize that they were infected. they infected two other passengers who were not infected, not infected boarding the plane but they were infected while they were on the plane or shortly thereafter. these infected seven passengers, this group, sat across from the aisle from the two people who they infected so they were in close proximity. >> that flight had about 100 people on it and only 2 became infected. what does that tell us? >> you know, it is surprisingly

low, isn't it? this is back in march when people were not wearing masks on flights so it tells you that this is an infectious virus but not measles and if one person had measles on a flight of people not vaccinated you would have many, many more people with measles so i think it is important to remember and helped in this case was that the folks were sitting at the back of the plane and the air flow was towards the back so the air was flowing away from most of the other passengers so that may have been sort of a lucky occurrence. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you. we'll discuss this in a moment but first the u.s. dealt with the coronavirus pandemic the death rates among black and brown people have been much higher than for white people. the question is why. cnn health reporter jacqueline howard is looking at a study. >> reporter: we have noren that the coronavirus pandemic has hit black and brown communities with

disproportionate number of cases. this new study now shows that if black patients are given the same access to hospital care as white patients then their death rates appear not to be different and looked at more than 11,000 adults hospitalized with covid-19 between february and may across 12 states. the researchers found that 23% of white patients and 19% of black patients died in the hospital. what this suggests is that the racial disparities we have seen during the pandemic attributed largely to social factors like living conditions, preexisting health conditions, having insurance and equal access to care. anderson? >> we now know one of the most important ways to beat covid-19 to stop the spread and a new study may provide clues showing that the influenza viruses spread through the air on dust, fibers and particles from the

university of california. emergency medicine physician dr. jake deutsch joins me, founder for care urgent care. while they have similar symptoms it's caused by different viruses. can you explain why the new research is important? >> it is really to understand does the virus float in the air or fall to the ground? if it's thought to be able to floetd and last longer in the air then it is thought to be more easily contagious or have more spread. that's what this study is claiming is that there's actually more flowing than we would have expected to anticipate and therefore may be more contagious and quite a bit of a debate around the topic. >> what can we do to decrease the risk? >> sure. so the point i take from this is masks are so important so the idea is that if it's going to float in the air the more exposure that we have the more

likely to get infected but wearing masks reduces that exposure so keeping distanced and six feet like we are, outdoors, not in enclosed environment all equally as important and extrapolating the information and applying what we know is what i want everybody to understand. masks are really the key element to prevent infection. >> we just heard elizabeth cohen talking about how researchers in germany found possible evidence of a spread on a five-hour flight. what does that tell you about the approximate imtproximity of coronavirus and sort the connection? >> right. it is obviously very scary that traveling is increasing and potential risk of getting sick. the null berhe of infections are down but additionally in that study people weren't wearing masks so i took a flight and everybody's required to wear a mask throughout the entire

journey so that's very encouraging applying that to travel and i think that it's really critical that people compare this to other case reports, one out of china of a patient infected and esverybody on the flight wearing masks and we have to put it in perspective but masks are the key to solving the infection rates. >> appreciate it. thank you. next, mypillow ceo pushing an unproven therapeutic to the president. an investigation after dozens are infected at a wedding in maine. president responds to michelle obama's speech saying she is quote in over her head. for spending a perfectly reasonable amount of time on the couch with tacos from grubhub? grubhub's gonna reward you for that with a $5 off perk. (doorbell rings) - [crowd] grubhub! (fireworks exploding)

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the president is backing a new unproven potential treatment for the coronavirus and he's got the president's ear on it, it's an extract from a plant that can be highly dangerous, toxic even fatal consumed even in a small amount. mike lindell is ceo and founder of mypillow. he reportedly helped arrange an oval office meeting with the president in july and lindell tells cnn the president was enthusiastic about the extract he's been talking about. oleandrin. >> i have heard of it. >> the fda -- >> is it people are talking about strongly? we'll look at it. we are looking at a lot of different things. the fda's been great. they are very close, we are very close to a vaccine. very close to a therapeutic. i have heard that name

mentioned. >> lindell recently got a spot on a board as a director and a financial stake in the company promoting this product. phoenix bio technology makes oleandrin. thank you for being with us, mr. lindell. >> thank you for having me on. >> you doerntd have a medical background or a scientist and claiming that the substance not studied in any meaningful to cure covid and a financial stake in the company you would profit from it if this is being sold widely. morally, is that right? >> well, you know, i was contacted on easter sunday after -- i told the whole country to pray for the answer for this pandemic and it's a great administration has had me -- anything i hear out there whether it's good sanitizers or cures or anything to bring it back to the task force and this guy called me on easter sunday with a arns to the virus and i

reached out to my friend secretary carson who's on the task force and he is a doctor and he looked into it, got everything from the company and he said this is the real deal. it is tested by over 1,000 people to be safe. medical -- >> wait a minute, sir. stop, stop. there's no public peer reviewed studies about this. there's no -- >> yeah, there is. yeah, there is. >> -- published anywhere. >> a safety test of 2016 for over 1,000 people that it's safe to take and if it's safe to take -- >> excuse me. so where's the study? the only study or report out is one report from the university of texas that was a pre-print study only involving cells in a test tube. >> no. there's been human studies, absolutely human studies. >> stop, sir. where? where are these human -- >> the fda -- >> where are the studies? >> the fda's got them all. >> why aren't they publicly out

there? why aren't they peer reviewed? >> the 1,000 people are out there. i'm not a medical doctor. i just know that ben carson on the task force he brought it to the president going -- >> okay. but, stop, sir. ben carson has in the past been paid to promote supplements and got in trouble for it in 2015. you are telling people that this cures covid. you have no studies to prove it. and you are saying 1,000 people were tested -- >> i have my own study. when i seen the test of 1,000 people that's safe. that's all i needed. >> where is this test? >> i'm taking it since april. i have 100 friends and family -- this thing works. it is the miracle of all time. >> where is this test? >> the tests are out there. the thousand people -- >> where is the test? show it to us. >> i don't have the test. >> name where it's from. who did the test?

what university? what doctors? >> you have to talk to -- i guess you have to have dr. carson and the company that all the tests -- >> you said you read the tests so tell me about the test. where was it done? >> it was done on over 1,000 people. >> where was it done and what were the procedures for the test? let's hear it. >> the procedures used against cancer so they did -- when you do a safety test of phase one and phase two it is to see if there's any -- >> there's been no phase one and phase two on this drug. >> there has. the fda has had it since april. 100%. you are just misconstrued because the media trying to take away this amazing cure that works for everybody. >> you have no medical background. you are not a scientist. a guy called in april saying he had this product. you are now on the board and going to make money from the sale of this product. >> no, no, no. >> the reason he reached out to you is because you have the ear of the president and get a

meeting with the president and you stand to make money from it. how do you sleep at night? >> anderson, that is your narrative. this is -- >> you're not going to make money from this? >> i don't care about the money. i think i've proven that. from hurricanes to $4 million worth of masks i gave out. if you let me talk here -- >> sure. >> they put me on the board last week because when this gets approved by the fda, which it will, it's passed every safety test. >> doesn't really approve subpoe supplements. >> i help people. that's my passion and i can scale things to get it to everybody to save our country, to get -- >> sir, there's no evidence. >> to save lives. >> how are you different than a snake oil salesman? no medical background. no research. not tested in animals or humans.

>> the platform that god gave me of integrity and trust. >> talk about integrity and trust. okay. if it wasn't true you wouldn't do it? >> absolutely i wouldn't do it. not anything if it wasn't truthful just like i did my due diligence meeting the president. the greatest president in the history of the united states. >> okay. you run a company of mypillow. ran ads to help with snoring and migraines and prosecutors in nine counties in california sued youer and you settled for a million dollars and are not allowed to make scientific claims without any proof about your pillows. you were given -- you rating from the better business bureau in minnesota lowered to a "f" for misleading customers on a buy one get one offer. that's not a great track record for honesty, sir. >> that's when i was attacked and i met the president before

he was president so everybody attacked me. i didn't do anything and didn't know about -- >> you paid a million dollars to settle -- >> because, because the way -- the way it is in our country if you don't settle they run you out of money even though i was right. testimonials i had from people, real people. >> you were claiming medical -- >> no. these were people. >> migraines, headaches. >> pull up an ad, anderson. there's no, absolutely no advertising that was done like that. these were testimonials from customers. these were testimonials. >> that you were advertising. >> i settled because i did nothing wrong but you don't -- >> you run an infomercial with customers claiming medical benefits but these are just testimonials. >> no. these were testimonials online

that were -- yeah. testimonials that we run that just like testimonials on any product. >> okay. >> and you know, what they try to do is feed off of frivolous lawsuits in this country and wrong, too. >> there are 170,000 americans have died. there are families that are desperate for any kind of remedy, any kind of cure and you, sir, who have no medical background pushing a product made by a plant that's toxic and deadly and -- >> anderson -- >> pushing this product that's only one -- one report, not even a real study because it is not peer reviewed. >> you will hear about it. just because -- you are misconstrued. >> i'm going to take -- >> there's been a study. i wouldn't take it myself every day. it is safety tested for -- >> it is not. >> you can use it. yes, it is. you will hear about this. >> sir, this is the time to hear

about it right now. if you're pushing something -- >> this is the miracle to the country. this works and i'm standing by what i believe in. i have no monetary gain here. this is -- >> stop, sir! that is not true. >> i want to help people. >> you're going to make money from this. you are on the board of this company. you have taken a financial stake. >> asked me to go on the board last week. >> to promote it because you're willing to promote anything because -- because even if it doesn't work. >> no. that's not true, anderson. you know it. you probably sleep on a mypillow. >> well, sir, i don't. i don't, actually. i don't know who you are. >> secretary carson, i don't think secretary carson would bring it to the president with me if he didn't think -- >> really? look at his track record on promoting supplements on which he was paid. >> this is the answer. wouldn't you want to save lives? this is my heart. i gave it to my frernds and family. >> you are like a snake oil

salesman. you could be in the old west standing on a box to drink -- >> the glory to god. i do what jesus has me do. i give the glory to god and i want to help people -- >> jesus wants you promoting remedys that are never tested. >> ask yourself, why would i ruin my reputation -- >> money. you don't have a great reputation. >> really? >> you've settled for a million dollars in california. you have a "f" from the better business bureau. >> you are in my prayers because they destroyed me when i went all in for this great president. >> the better business bureau of minnesota is going after you because you support trump? >> i was up for the highest award they give to the best companies -- >> then they looked into your advertisements. >> and as soon as i went all in for the president the better business bureau lowered me -- >> that's just sad. >> it is sad that the companies do stuff like that. >> a man to profess the faith

and lie like this is extraordinary. they looked at the advertising. >> i stand by the truth. that is the truth. >> okay. what you are doing -- >> i get attacked because of political reasons. >> okay. just so -- our viewers know, what you are doing is you were running two for one giveaway ads saying two for one price and doing that so often that it became the regular price and when people actually looked there were so complaints when people looked -- wait a minute. the actual price if you doubled the price the same as the two for one offer. >> no. >> it wasn't a sale offer and returning it for so long that became the regular price and that's why you were downgraded to a "f" because it was misleading. >> no. anderson, i met with the better business bureau in the spring and they said -- what do you mean i can't have a sale price on the pillow? regular suggested retail price and they go but you're your own manufacturer, mike. so making the stuff in china i

would be okay? they said, yes. i said you all ought to be ashamed of yourself and give me a "f" because nobody will believe this. >> they published the report. anybody can look at it and they will know you're not telling the truth. >> the whole country i stand with the "f." the better business bureau is paid for play. i don't stand for that kind of stuff. >> you now make money manufacturing masks, right? >> no. i gave away $4 million out of my own pocket. that is a fallacy. >> that's good. >> $4 million out of mike lea lindell's pocket donated. >> the masks you don't wear a mask and proudly said that you don't need to wear a mask because you take this product. >> that's correct but i do wear a mask when i'm supposed to, if

i ee i'm around people because i can't give it to them and can't get the virus. >> dr. william -- >> huh? >> an infectious disease doctor was an officer with the centers for disease control says and i quote about this product -- don't take it. stay away. this is quackery. do not take medicines of any kind to prevent this infection or treat it that hasn't been vetted very, very carefully by the scientific community. you ire saying that the president or the fda or americans at large to listen to you and not people like dr. shaftner and other representable doctors that haven't taken money to promote the products in the past. >> this had the safety tests and before the fda dush. >> that is a complete lie! >> no, it's not. when you are proven wrong, you will have me back on the show

when -- >> is it tested in animals, sir? humans? >> 100% tests done in humans? >> peer reviewed studies? >> not published yet but the fda has it right now. you don't know because you tried to take a narrative and tried to hurt me and the president and dr. ben carson. >> why wouldn't you publicly -- why shouldn't the public be able to see the alleged study that is you claim -- >> ask the fda. i don't know what you want me to do. it's been sitting with the fda since -- >> you can make it -- did you give them all the copies of the study? you said you read one. >> i'm telling the public it works and 100% believe it and saved my family and friends' lives. >> you said you read the study. i'm following up. did you read the study? >> the one i read was the thousand people they did the safety test on. >> where were they tested? who conducted the study?

>> i don't have it in front of me. it will come out. maybe you should investigate that. >> what you read? >> what's that? 1,000 people. >> you don't remember anything you read. >> 50 -- >> anything about the study? >> absolutely. when you test a supplement they do studies of how much you can take before you start getting side effects. this is 50 times more given to people who -- >> so if this is -- does make it on to the supplement list, this would be sold as a dietary supplement, that's how you skirt this -- >> no. >> you won't be actually be able to advertise it as for covid-19. correct? you would put it on as a supplement and by doing the publicity you would just hope that people would use it off label believing it has covid benefits and profit.

>> no. for both or in for an ind and waiting on the fda knows it passed every safety test. they could give it to us today. we would like the ind and we applied also for the drug side. >> why should the fda be wasting time on this? has no proof of anything. the military -- you know what? military actually looked into this, did testing and said you know what? >> anderson -- >> inconclusive and it's a waste of time. >> no, that's not what they said. the fda is doing a fine job like the president said. they have all this. >> that is what the military said. fort dietrich. they did test it. they said it was inconclusive and that they're not doing further testing because there's more important things for them to look at. >> no. the fda has gotten effect from the company and they have gotten everything, tests. you don't get to see right now because you're not the fda, mr. anderson. >> you got to see it?

>> you know what? i'm going to ask you this. >> you got to see a study but you don't remember anything about it, you don't remember who did it? >> mr. anderson, what do you think i'm on here for? >> to promote this because you think just by coming on and getting this name out there is unproven thing desperate people will get it. >> the thing that works. when we have such a great president -- >> there's no evidence, sir. >> into this and to reach out for all solutions. >> because you are a snake oil salesman telling people to take the product. >> you are calling me names and i have kept -- >> not names. >> i pray for you. i don't call you names. mr. anderson, i don't call your network names. why are you attacking me? >> because you are telling people who are desperate to take something that is unproven -- >> i didn't tell them. >> dangerous and no evidence to back it up. it is kind of morally prubankru

>> i have given it to my friends and family to save their lives and not telling you to take anything but when the fda approves it -- >> sales for people to take. >> no. when the fda approves this it will save millions of lives and we hope it gets out there fast for the ind. i just want to see people save lives and get back to normalcy in this country so that we sit here with -- you know? crippled as a country and here's the solution. that's all. >> when people hear -- i know you're the i think the campaign -- the finance chairman for president trump in -- >> no, no, no. campaign chairman for minnesota with the here icorrific things on in minnesota. i'm going to get the word out of how bad the government has been in minnesota. the mayor and governor with rye yotds and bad decisions. >> because you have the ear of the president, you are put on the board of this company and get a financial stake in this --

>> that's a lie. that's a lie. that's a lie. i don't have the ear of the president on that. i have talked to ben carson. >> the president and the folks in this company? >> the task force did. ben carsonn is on the task forc. >> you got ben carson to go with you to the president -- >> informed of this on easter sunday. anything i hear good out there i bring it to the task force. >> you attended a meeting with the president and ben carson and this company? >> one person in there and wanted to be informed on anything that's out there -- >> brought -- that's the reason you were brought into the company because you have the ear of the president. >> no, no, no. no, no, no. >> willing to promote this just like your pillow and make the claims. >> no. the company brought me in because they wanted -- they k w know -- they said amazing small company. great christians.

they want to help humanitier and ca as soon as the fda approves this -- >> you know how to sell and promote a product. >> this would be out, i won't need to sell this. this will go to every hospital and person that needs help. >> you've run -- >> it will go out to everybody. it is going to help the masses and you will want to take it yourself. >> i guarantee you i would not. >> can i have a bottle in my drawer for safety? >> i would not be taking medical advice from you, sir. i can promise you that. >> i'm just telling you -- >> just in summation -- just in summation, i want to make sure i have this right. >> what? >> okay. just in summation, you have to medical background. you have no scientific background at all. you have a financial stake in

this company. you don't know -- you can't give any details about an alleged study of 1,000 people that you allegedly have read but you remember nothing about it, not one single detail other than 1,000 people. this has not been tested anywhere outside one lab in a test tube, never been tested in animals, never peer reviewed, studied, published studied in people, never studied against covid-19, no peer reviewed, no published studies and yet you say this is the cure for covid. >> can i give my answer? >> and you have a history of -- and you have -- and you have a history of running ads that you have had to make massive settlements for because they were deceptive testimonials claiming -- >> can i give you my answer? >> please do. >> the first three you are correct. i have no medical background,

not a scientist. but i did do my due diligence and studies with the covid and humans and not published yet. the fda has it. it's passed phase one and phase two. i'm sure you can find that out. that is true. >> you can't say -- >> let me finish my answer. i have been attacked with frivolous lawsuits that i had to settle because i backed the greatest president the country has ever seen in history when i first met him and i met him and going, wow, what a great way to have a pragmatic president. the greatest in the history of the united states. >> you are hoping he's watching to have get another meeting. i get it. i appreciate your being on. i think it's shameful what you are doing. >> anderson -- will you promise me when the fda approves -- >> all right. >> let me come back on when this is all proven and you get to see the results?

>> if there is a published peer reviewed study that is showing efficacy for this, great. believe me, i want more than anything for this to be a cure for this. >> thank you, thank you. we are all in this together. >> we are not on this together. you are making money off of this. >> this isn't a political thing or a money thing for me. this is to help save lives. >> right. your track record says otherwise. >> i would like to hope that i'm praying that -- for you that you have me back on the show when this all comes to fruition. god bless you. >> thank you very much. dr. deutsch, what's going on? >> where do we begin here? yeah, obviously, the commentary is -- it speaks for itself. no knowledge of the science. you know? talking about case reports of a test tube study where they put the extract in with the virus

and it showed that it killed it, that's so far from scientific. >> just to be clear, there are many, many substances which in a test tube will have an impact. bleach in a test tube will kill something. >> extrapolating that -- >> should not take bleach. though the president of the united states did suggest they test bleach on human beings. that's not something that doctors would actually do. >> and that's what scares me here. we are really talking about a highly toxic substance. this is a plant widely available, a small amount of consumption can be fatal with hypertension, you know in it is more likely to die from taking this than from covid so what i'm afraid of is that this misinformation, this hype to try to find a cure, throwing the president's name behind it leads to people doing more harm and not the objective of trying to

find a cure. >> just so -- i think when people hear peer reviewed studies, published studies, it is confusing and i know now what it means but to be clear this isn't an ivory tower wanting it to be peer reviewed. anybody can claim anything in some report and say i did this, put this in a test tube and had an impact. you don't get to then start selling it and say this really works, i promise, i have southeastern it with my own eyes and i'm a good person and telling you it works. there's a rigorous system to go through just like the vaccines going through this warp speed thing but they're having a phase one trial, phase two trial, phase three trial. none of that has occurred with this substance. >> right. yeah. we are completely forgetting about the scientific process.

we're using hype, fear. we're using information that isn't founded on the principles which we practice good medicine from and what really is the scary part is people taking assumptions that they can solve this themselves. they don't have access to the medication because it is not approved but i can perhaps get this from a plant and then we're going to get into trouble. i saw people who drank bleach as patients. that is the reality. people take this serious coming from people of authority particularly the president and i don't want to see any fatalities of people trying to experiment on their own and need to stop the madness. >> the president is not talking to dr. fauci. the president doesn't seem like dr. birx is any longer as listened to by this president. the president is meeting with that guy and the people he brought in with him, ben carson is involved in this for some

reason. you know? he's the hud secretary. and the head of -- azar wasn't in that meeting but this is the person the president is talking to about products that have not actually -- there's no scientific basis for it at this point. more studies should be done. fine. but there's no scientific basis at this point and not listening to actual scientists. >> right. the moment that somebody says i'm not a scientist but give you medical information and scientific recommendrecommendat red flag. there's just so many concerning parts about where the loyalty lies, what the financial ramifications are. what's next? we will see a mypillow in the white house with a press cofo to? these are just terrible red flags in my opinion.

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school officials in oklahoma city say a high school student infected with coronavirus knowingly went to school. administrator say the parents thought that because the student was asymptomatic the quarantine wouldn't apply. here's a look at other national headlines on coronavirus. >> thousands of people will descend on stillwater, oklahoma, for the weed stock music festival but officials are not happy about it and deeply concerned of a spike in coronavirus cases. and that this festival could disrupt plans for schools to have in-person learning this fall. the mayor said it is not right

the time for thousands of people to gather. a representative said they plan to make everyone wear masks and gloves. >> in new york at least two dozen cases in the state of me m have been lichked nked to a wed. 24 people associated with the event tested positive for covid, 18 of them attended the reception. they're communicating with the inn to try to learn more about the wedding, mainly adhering to state requirements, maine does allow social gatherings if it's 50 people or less indoors and no more than 100 outside. fewer if the space is too cramped. authorities say approximately 65 guests all maine residents attended the wedding. everyone, thanks. a new york couple just days away from their wedding will find out if the ceremony happened. last month they sued the state to hold it at the golf club.

the couple won the case and now caught in and tanglement with the state filing an appeal to stop the wedding. the couple believes their constitutional rights is violated. the attorney representing the couple is here. where does the case stand right now? >> the state of new york moved for a stay of the injunction we achieved to allow the wedding to go forward so the state is essentially trying to have the judge undo the ruling of august 8th. >> can you explain why your clients believe the state is violating their rights? >> well, sure. the venue where the wedding is held has two dining halls that can seat in excess of 200 people. in fact, the sterling can seat 438 so half of that, 50% occupancy as a restaurant is 219 people so on any given evening they can have 219 people seated

at tables served dinners. this couple just wants to have a wedding with 175 guests and have the venue for the evening, no guests cycling in and out. they want to have as normal and traditional a wedding asia they possibly can and the state said it's fine to seat 219 people for dinner but not 175 people for a wedding and it is important to note that these people have agreed there won't be dancing at the wedding. not getting up to mingle but follow the restaurant protocols and guidelines that new york deemed safe and yet because it's a wedding they can't have it. >> so the 219 limit, that's in normal times for the restaurant? >> right. so new york state allowed an exemption for 50% of the occupancy seated at any given time for a meal. so 438 is half of that is 219 so

new york says it's perfectly safe to have 219 diners at the arrowhead golf club having dinner but the moment you call it a wedding and have a wedding dinner they're limited to 50 people and that is a violation of equal protection under the law and 14th amendment to the u.s. constitution and it is not justified at all from a medical standpoint. >> how are -- no one will mingle at a wedding? >> well, these people have all agreed and the venue has agreed that they will abide by every one of the restaurant protocols and treat it like a regular dinner. not dance or going to the bar they adhere to protocols that restaurant diners would be required to do. yes, speeches and head table, of course, but these people are willing to have not the traditional type of wedding to be able to have the wedding and

the guests and join together as a married couple. >> and then at tables are 219 people next to each other i assume. not six feet apart. >> well, remember, the capacity of the establishment is 438 so the tables are the way new york says they should be spaced. monday, tu, wednesday, thursday, they could seat 219 people legally and lawfully according to new york's guidelines but on saturday night when they call it a wedding, they can seat only 50. the judge agreed with us when he issued his ruling and said that made no sense and the state made no serious effort to justify discriminating against folks who are having weddings versus people who are just going out to dinner. >> are they going to wear masks? >> they're going to wear masks the way restaurant diners would, from the moment they get out of their cars and walk to the tables and take masks off while they're dining. you can't eat and drink with a mask on. and new york recognizes that. we're not asking for a special

exemption from the rule. we're asking for the same exemption that the state has already given to tens of thousands of restaurants and bars across new york state. why is new york saying you can't hold a wedding when the venue itself and all the attendees at the wedding have agreed to abide by the restaurant protocols? makes no sense. the judge agreed with us that it made no sense. now the state came in before the decision came down. i believe the decision was actually august 7th, and pulled the liquor license from the establishment in retaliation from the lawsuit. they're trying to prevent the second couple on whose behalf we sued to have their wedding go forward on the 22nd. this wedding was scheduled at a time when the venue was getting guidance from the county departments of health and albany, saying that they were not subject to the 50-person rule, they were subject to the 50% occupancy rule. that's when this wedding was booked. a couple of weeks later they turned the tables on us and said 50 people. >> we'll continue to follow it. anthony rupp, appreciate it.

now wuhan, get this, is hosting a massive water park party. how things have changed. plus just in, the post master general suspending all changes at the post office, as he gets ready to testify against accusations of voter suppression, and the president fires back at michelle obama's scathing convention speech saying the former first lady is in over her end, end quote. ♪ ♪

former first lady michelle obama delivering a scathing speech on the first night of the democratic national convention. >> let me be as honest and clear as i possibly can. donald trump is the wrong president for our country. he has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. he cannot meet this moment. he simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. it is what it is. >> today president trump fired back to michelle obama while speaking at an event secelebratg women's rights. >> is over her head and, frankly, she should have made the speech live, which she didn't do. she taped it. it was not only taped, it was taped a long time ago, because she had the wrong desk, didn't even mention the vice presidential candidate in the

speech. she gets these phony reviews. i thought it was a very divisive speech, very divisive. frankly, i wouldn't be here if it weren't for barack obama. we're standing in the white house i wouldn't had been in the white house except for barack obama shall because they did a bad job. biden and obama. and if they did a good job, i wouldn't be here. >> just a reminder, that was a women's rights event that he was saying all that at. joining me now to discuss this, and appear ed on michelle obamas podcast last week. great to see you having spent some time with mrs. obama -- >> great to see you, too. >> i wonder what your reaction is to her speech and to the president's response. >> well, first to her speech. what an inkrcredible act of oration. just perfectly delivered. the tone, the setting, the words, the message. and interesting you use the clip

which ended with that phrase, it is what it is. taking the president's own words and essentially necklacing them around his neck, in his case uttered when speaking about a death rate that had spiraled out of control in america. in her case, talking not about apathy but agency, trying to make people understand what is at stake in this election. the president noted that the reviews have been fawning for good reason. it was a very powerful speech delivered under unusual circumstances from her home, instead of in that audience. but in that way, it seemed that it gave it even more power because the words were not adorned by the roar of the crowd you would normally see at a convention but had a chance to hang out there and really hit people and resonate in a very different way. >> yeah. i thought, you know, the medium is very different than being in

a convention hall. convention speeches are a certain type and you have to wait for the crowd, as you said. there's an intimacy. >> yes. >> this kind of format is at its best when it makes the most of that intimacy. she really did that. she was asking to pull up a chair and talk with her about something. she also made it clear that she hates politics when she said that outright, reminding us that in her speech, and talking about the president not on political terms of policies, which people can disagree on, but on charact character, on who he actually is and isn't. >> right, right. and that's what's actually at stake, the character of that man but also the character of the country. you noted that it felt like she asked you to pull up a chair i noticed that, too. it almost felt like you were sitting at the end of a kitchen table or there was a coffee table between you.

she spoke as someone who said she doesn't like politics and the back and forth we've seen from the white house is probably what she disdains. but she does care about policy. and she does care about the country. and she talked as someone who is a proud american but also as a mother. she talked repeatedly about our children and what they're watching in this moment. and what's at stake for them, because of covid, because of the protests that we're seeing in the streets, because of climate change and global warming. she made all of that very clear in the way that she spoke. and the message that she delivered in a very powerful opening for the dnc. >> in the second episode of michelle obama's podcast which you took part in, she talked about her mind-set. i just want to play some of that. >> these are not -- they are not fulfilling times spiritually, you know. so i know that i am dealing with some form of low-grade depression. not just because of the quarantine but because of the

racial strife. >> that comment got a lot of attention. what do you think she meant by that? >> well, i mean, she said what she said, that, you know, she's feeling a little low sometimes. and i appreciate that she was willing to make herself vulnerable in that way. what you heard in that podcast, i think, the string of podcasts that you'll hear are conversations of the kinds she has with her friends. it was almost like there was a microphone on the table for the kind of conversations that we generally have as close friends. but she did it knowing that the world was listening. and in doing so, giving people both the language and the permission to talk about something that they may be feeling themselves, these are unusual times. and it is not unusual for people to feel unlike themselves, to be having what you might call the blues, but we don't want to perhaps