arquantine but because of the racial strife. >> that comment got a lot of attention. what do you think she meant by that? >> well, i mean, she said what she said, that, you know, she's feeling a little low sometimes. and i appreciate that she was willing to make herself vulnerable in that way. what you heard in that podcast, i think, the string of podcasts that you'll hear are conversations of the kinds she has with her friends. it was almost like there was a microphone on the table for the kind of conversations that we generally have as close friends. but she did it knowing that the world was listening. and in doing so, giving people both the language and the permission to talk about something that they may be feeling themselves, these are unusual times. and it is not unusual for people to feel unlike themselves, to be having what you might call the blues, but we don't want to perhaps admit that.

we don't even know what it is. and she's allowing people to have a conversation. so, on one hand, there are people who say she's wading into politics because she mentioned the president in talking about the blues. if you noticed a lot of people reacted with empathy and with gratitude almost because, yes, i haven't been feeling like myself. thank you for saying that. >> michele norris, great talking to you. thank you. >> you, too. take care. just past the top of the hour. i'm anderson cooper. nearly seven months after the first confirmed u.s. case of covid-19, the nation is getting closer to a vaccine, according to the nation's top infectious disease expert, and white house coronavirus task force member dr. anthony fauci. >> by the beginning of 2021, there should be limited doses. tens of millions, not hundreds of millions of doses. so at that point, the process is

to make a prioritization for those who would benefit the most and would need it the most. as we get well into 2021, it is likely that there would be enough doses for anyone who wanted it. >> fauci's remarks come as several new studies offer insights into the virus' transmission. uc davis of mt. sinai the flu, other vie are yous like covid-19 can hang in little particles of dust. despite reports of racial disparity there's word that black and white patients have equal access to hospital care, death rates are similar, according to the american journal of american medicine. all of that as a positive trend of new cases when compared to a week ago. half the country is holding steady or on decline, that's good news. first cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is with me. sanjay, u.s. air travel is hitting a high now for the

pandemic, according to tsa. there's a new study from europe, spread on a passenger flight. what's the significance of it? >> well, you know, we looked at this study, the one out of germany, anderson. it was from some time ago, back in march, where there wasn't a lot of mitigation measures, as you'll remember back then, anderson. i think people were trying to figure out just how to create the most safe environment, whether it be on a plane or in buildings. when you look at the data now, and i spent some time with the airline industry, actually went to these planes, looked at how to kind of prevent this. some airlines are trying to space out their passengers by keeping middle seats open, mask mandates on a lot of these airlines. that didn't exist back when this previous study came out and also, you know, anderson, it's important to point out the air filtration. we talk about how air moves and how the viral dynamic change as a result of that. inside a home, for example, your

air exchange may be twice every hour on average. on planes they're exchanged much more often, which they believe reduces the likelihood of viral exposure. masks, air filtration, spacing out. the chances of getting coronavirus on a plane seems pretty low. we would have seen significant outbreaks related to air travel if it weren't the case so far. >> there was a hopeful headline that a recent batch of studies giving hope that even those with mild symptoms could have a robust immune response. >> yeah. this is interesting, because i think for some time we've been sort of trying to figure out if you've been exposed to the coronavirus, the question is, you probably have antibodies, but how long do those antibodies last and how strong are they? you may remember one of our town halls a couple of weeks ago, we talked about the fact that there was another study showing that about 20 to 30 days, the antibody levels started to come down. regardless of how sick you were, even if you had mild symptoms, you do seem to have significant

antibodies, at least a few months later. we're not really going to know until we have the passage of time, right? this is one of those things. will antibodies last a year? to really know the answer to that question, it would take a year to know that. but that was hopeful, that even in mild illness, you still generate antibodies. the other part of that, anderson, is that even people who had never been exposed to this novel coronavirus, probably because of exposure to other coronaviruses, like the ones that cause a common cold, 20 to 50% seem to have what is known as t-cell reactivity, the cornerstone of the immune system that can help to create antibodies quickly and those t-cells seem to have some memory from viewing previous coronaviruses. >> that's amazing. sanjay, stand by. i want to talk to you more in a second on the university of nine oklahoma football players contracting coronavirus, a sorority house is under

quarantine after two dozen tested positive, only one of them was symptomatic. lucy kavanaugh has more. >> reporter: anderson an entire oklahoma state university sorority house is under isolation or quarantine after 23 members tested positive for covid-19, according to the university. the school and local health officials are monitoring everyone involved and doing contact tracing to prevent further spread. according to johns hop kins data, the state has nearly 38,000 confirmed cases. anderson? >> it's only been a week since in-person classes resumed at the university of north carolina chapel hill. already the school has been forced back into remote learning because scores of students have contracted coronavirus. multiple across dorm s and a frt house. stunned at how fast the virus spread. >> we had a good road map that

was implemented in june. when activities started to happen off campus and brought those back into the residence halls that's when we saw the rise in the cases and were surprised by the velocity and the spread. we made the right decision for the health and safety of our campus community today. >> opinion editor for the school's newspaper joins me. paige, let me start with you. you just went back to school. it's only been a week. now this. why do you think it spread so much? were people social distancing? were people wearing masks on campus, in frats, in dorms? >> in my opinion, i think that people, the wide majority of students, were trying their best. but i also think that it was kind of poorly thought out for the administration to assume that college students would social distance and wear masks and wouldn't do what college students normally do when they weren't given any incentives not

to do just that. so, i think that if they really wanted to keep the student body and the workers safe, then they wouldn't have given them so many incentives to continue going about college life as they normally would, and i think that's why it was able to spread so fast. >> the headline of the paper you work for, the daily tar heel, the editorial page used colorful language to describe the situation on campus. it said unc has a cluster f on its hands. what happens now? what specifically is the cluster f that you now face? are all students still on campus, taking classes remotely, or are people sent home? >> well, i think that's what we're all really wondering. we don't know. because the administration expected everything to be okay, and they really didn't think this out very well with the

off-ramps that they called them, with the road map metaph or. they don't really know what's going to happen now. they say they want to, quote, unquote, dedensify student housing. we don't know what that looks like, who is allowed to stay and who is going to have to go home. when these students go home, they're going to be putting their families and their home communities in danger because they may have been exposed to the virus here. so, we really don't know what that's going to look like. we really just have to wait for them to give us more information on that. >> sanjay, this shutdown, it seems like a big deal for potentially the rest of the nation's colleges. >> yeah. it really is. i mean, this is tough to hear. i mean, i know chancellor is a smart guy, mcarthur genius guy. this shows how smart this virus

is. frankly, it shows that this virus behaves exactly the way you think it would behave. it's a very contagious virus. college students behave exactly the way you expect college students to behave. they get together. they're not always going to be diligent about wearing masks. and i want to show you, anderson, if you look at north carolina and say hey, look, we followed the data. we can show you the data that they were looking at prior to the opening here in north carolina. you can see when it comes to the positivity rates, not bad, right? somewhere between 5 and 10%. if you look at the overall number of cases, you had some blips here and there, but overall the trajectory was downward. over a couple of weeks. there you see it there. here is the point, anderson. even if you look at that objective data, unless everyone is super diligent, everyone is super honest and transparent, you can have a significant spreading event. when we decided to pull kids out

of school, there were 5,000 people in this country roughly who had been infected. now we're putting people back in schools where 5 million have been infected and 170,000 who have died. it defies logic, right? we can at least agree on that. people trying to do the best they can. unc is an example everyone should pay attention to. >> paige, i wish you well. it's crazy times that you are studying through or trying to study through and report through. i appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right. take care. sanjay, stand by. i've got to ask you about this my pillow ceo guy, who i just talked to. he has the president's ear and is pushing completely unstudied, unproven therapeutics that he will potentially benefit from. the man released from the hospital after three months battling the coronavirus. his story just ahead. and just in, the post master general suspending all changes

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conversatio conversation. >> if this thing works, it's the miracle of all time. >> sir, you said you have seen this test. where is it? >> the tests are out there. thousand people, phase one, phase two. >> where is the test? show it to us. >> i don't have the test. >> where is it from? who did the test? what university, what doctors? >> you would have to talk to -- you would have to have dr. carson and then the company of all the tests -- >> you said you saw the test, read the test. tell me about the test. >> the test, it was done on over 1,000 people -- >> where was it done and what were the procedures for the test? you read this. let's hear it. >> it was used against cancer. when you do a safety test of phase one and phase two, it's to see if there's any -- >> there's been no phase one and phase two on this test, sir. >> what's that? >> there's been no phase one or phase two on this test. >> absolutely there has. fda has had it since april, 100%. >> dr. sanjay gupta, sanjay, the interview went on, i don't know

how long. it seemed to go on for much of my life. i mean, he has a track record of, you know, sued in california for having medical claims, testimonials in commercials for his pillows. he settled for $1 million because of those claims. he has an f rating from the better business bureau. this is a guy that the president is apparently listening to. he gets a meeting with the president on a substance that's never been tested or peer reviewed. >> yeah. first of all, that was a master class in interviewing. everybody should go back and watch that. i'm sure it was frustrating for you. you really got at this issue with him. all kidding aside, this is dangerous. you and i, we're talking during this town hall right after the president talked about disinfectants being ingested as a possible thing. i thought that's crazy. why are we talking about it? then you come to people that it did make an impact and people were out there who started doing that sort of thing. this substance, which comes from

the oleander plant, is a toxin. if it's known for anything, it's known to be toxic and potentially deadly. white oleander was all about somebody using this substance to kill somebody else. this is more dangerous than the covid-19 disease itself. so i really feel strongly about the fact that we need to dump a lot of cold water on this. i looked up -- you know, as soon as i heard this, i started doing the homework, anderson, and looked it up again during your interview. there is no study, just as you mentioned. certainly no studies in actual humans. there have been human cell studies, cancer cell studies on cancer cells. there was a monkey kidney cell with regard to coronavirus, but there's been no studies that actually are in phase one or phase two, like you said. that doesn't exist. all we know about this substance is that it could potentially be harmful. this is that important. they say it can kill the virus in a test tube.

so can bleach. that doesn't mean anything. i worry because the supplement industry in this country is so unregulated, people may start to sell this as a supplement. the fda doesn't get around to pulling these things off the market until they hurt people. we have to be very careful here. >> that's my sense of what the strategy is here. all i know is what i talked to this guy and what i've read about. it seems like the fda doesn't usually weigh in on supplements. who knows what's in a lot of supplements on store shelves. we all assume it's on a shelf, it must be legit. they're going to probably advertise this as a dietary supplement, get it on a shelf, if it gets that far, and

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damaging. again in 2015-2016, perhaps information that was used in the steele dossier, but it also continued into 2020, anderson. according to the most recent information we got from the intelligence community. it's something that wasn't normal in 2016 and should not be considered normal in 2020. >> evan perez, appreciate it. thanks, evan. president trump continuing to cast doubt in the u.s. battleground state of wisconsin, falsely claiming the only way he would lose in november is if the election is rigged. >> we have to win the election. we can't play games. get out and vote. do those beautiful absentee ballots or just make sure your vote gets counted. make sure. because the only way we're going

to lose this election is if the election is rigged. remember that. that's the only way we're going to lose this election. so, we have to be very careful. >> just this morning, the president went a step further, suggesting that the election may have to be held again if universal mail-in voting is introduced. >> by the way, absentee is great. it's been working a long time like in florida. you request, it comes in, then you send it back. absentee is great. but universal is going to be a disaster, the likes of which our country has never seen. it will end up being a rigged election or they'll never come out with an outcome. they'll have to do it again. and nobody wants that. and i don't want that. >> here to discuss, democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. >> the idea that a state sending out ballots to everybody, to households in their state, it has been done in many states for years and years. >> right.

>> without massive fraud at all. i talked to the secretary of state, i think it was, in washington, who is republican. >> uh-huh. >> who said, you know what? she invited the president to come to washington to see how it works. it works very well and they don't have massive -- they had millions of votes. i think about 100 people, you know, voted twice or tried to vote twice, and they are now face i facing the law. >> right. i think that we've known from the beginning, the president has been essentially saying things like this from the moment it became real to him that he did not win the popular vote. and ever since then, he has been looking for mysterious voters, mysterious cheats. you know, in the last election, the major case of voter fraud was with republicans in north carolina. and so we know that this is just fake. but what bothers me about it the most, though, is to sow the seeds of dissengs that if and

when he loses, that it means the election is rigged. that really sets the stage for a lot of chaos and could set the stage for civil unrest and violence. and it's just shameful that he would be that desperate that he would resort to tactics like this. >> yeah. you know, he is shameless. >> that's true. >> somebody who -- even people who support him would admit that he is willing to say -- maybe they wouldn't be willing to admit but willing to say anything that comes into his head. president trump recently retweeted russian propaganda about joe biden and the u.s. intelligence community warned this was part of moscow's ongoing effort to denigrate biden. >> there will so many new laws

and regulations we need to look at when we get rid of this administration. we can never go through this again with somebody who is completely lawless and that would resort to anything to stay in power. and i do believe that one of his main motivations for staying in power is that he's trying to run out the statute of limitations on so many of the laws that he broke, which i don't even think he would be able to do that if he had a second term, but heaven help us. >> do you really think that's his motivation for running again? >> well, i think that's in part, his motivation. absolutely. i think the other part is that he wants to see himself like the person that he admires so much, putin. one of the reasons why he admires autocrats around the world is because they're able to stay in power. and that is something that he seems to have admired. but we really need to use this time period to educate people about what we have lost in our democracy and regain it. so, i'm glad that the post master general has backed off of

that sinister plot to suppress voters by essentially putting the squeeze on the post office. i'm glad he's backed away from that. but we do need to make sure the post office has the resources they need. >> right. just for our viewers, we just learned the post master general announced the u.s. postal service is suspended changes that were put in place that raised questions about the upcoming electric. if they've already taken off hundreds of sorting machines, i don't know if that means they are going to be reinstating those machines. >> we need to do everything to make sure that they do that. i know he's going to testify before the senate, i believe, on friday, and then we'll be back, of course, to vote on saturday. so, they will not be able to use resources as an excuse. the president said he would sign a stand-alone bill. speaker pelosi is preparing a stand-alone bill. we'll be there saturday to vote

for that. i think the senate would be hard pressed to not bring the bill up since the president said he wanted it. that would be plenty of money. $25 billion. there will be no excuse not to put those machines back. >> congresswoman karen bass, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up next, i'll speak live with the man who was just released from the hospital after three months battling the coronavirus. what he went through, ahead. we'll be right back. $9.95 at my age?

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a georgia family is finally back together after going through a grueling three-month ordeal with the coronavirus. spent more than three months battling the virus, much of that time in intensive care. his family, because of covid restrictions, couldn't be with him. he was finally able to go home yesterday. they join us along with their

son now. how are you feeling? you look good. you just got out of the hospital. how do you feel? >> i feel wonderful. i feel great. >> what you've been through, you are incredibly strong. it's just unbelievable. carlene, dejuan, what was it like to not be there in the hospital? were you able to communicate with him at all? >> we communicated more so with the nurses and the doctors. it was very hard, difficult. thank god we had family and friends that, you know, kept us in prayer, but it was really difficult trying to communicate, just trying to get the full understanding of what he was going through. the doctors and nurses reached out to us and gave us time to let us know exactly what was going on with him. so, yeah. >> derek, you started feeling sick way back in april.

what do you remember of being in the hospital? i assume you were unconscious for a lot. >> yeah. i just had a lot of dreams. when i felt like the symptoms were coming on, i went straight to the emergency room. and from there, they put me on a respirator for a full month and a half, almost two months i was on a respirator. >> carline and dejuan, that must have been scary to know he was on a respirator and not be able to be there, hold his hand. what do you want other families to know about what helped get you through?

what advice would you give to other families? >> the advice we would give to other families is just keep praying. the relationship starts at home. if you and your family are still close to each other and everyone is in it together, then that can take you so far. because like we said with us, we wasn't able to communicate with our father and we wasn't able to do a lot of things. mom at least could talk to the doctors and our immune system was still good and we were able to get through it. >> what does the road ahead look like? >> it's a long road ahead. derek still has to get physical therapy. he has been at two different physical therapists, hospitals. now he's going to start physical therapy here at the home. >> i have talked to so many families. i know it can be a tough journey. i'm so glad you're all together

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quote, terrible, in new zealand as a way to downplay what's happening in the u.s. >> did you see what's happening in new zealand? they beat it. problem is, big surge in new zealand. so, it's terrible. we don't want that. >> that surge he's talking about, nine new cases on monday. today, officials reported a handful of additional cases, but the country went more than 100 days with zero new cases of community spread. by the way, they had nine new cases. now it's 13 cases. they decided to postpone the elections because they take it so seriously. the prime minister fired back today. >> i don't think there's any comparison between new zealand's current cluster and the tens of thousands of cases that are being seen daily in the united states. >> that small cluster of cases from spreading, new zealand has ordered strict new lockdowns and postponed elections for a month that, by the way, that prime minister's party is supposed to

do very well in. >> wuhan, china, epicenter of the coronavirus, has appeared to move on. with no new infections, a massive crowd of people gathered for a waterpark for a festival in wuhan. few wore masks or were social distanced. >> reporter: over the weekend, thousands of revelers parked the pool in wuhan, ground zero of the pandemic, without any masks or social distancing measures in sight. the city was emerging from a brutal 76-day lockdown during which its 11 million residents were mostly confined at home. >> is it fun to stand in a pool with thousands of people. i don't know. maybe i'm just really old. set aside coronavirus, i just don't know. steven jang, thanks for the report. a surge in covid cases in france is leading to restrictions there.

in paris the number of cases have jump six fold. melissa bell has detailed. >> reporter: here there are concerns over the coronavirus figures in several countries in france and spain and greece and croatia, that europeans are making the most of the open borders have been visiting in this holiday period, in paris there has been a six fold increase in just 15 days and new clusters around marseilles fresh restrictions considered looking beyond the holiday period after return to work with clusters associated with open plan office spaces. regulations would be looked at. either countries, restrictions are put in place in spain and italy and also in greece and croatia to try to limit the number of new cases that we've seen in countries that have so

far been largely spared. and looking at how to contain this summer burst of tourism, of activities, of travel and get the figures back under control. melissa bell, cnn, paris. the theme for the 2020 democratic national convention is uniting america but there is concern the lineup of the speakers is not all inclusive. some feel it lacks latino voices. tom perez addressed the issue this morning on cnn. >> i would ask people to look at the list of speakers. we have captain cortez masto and governor michelle gresham and i'll be speaking tonight and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is speaking. the diversity of our party was on stark display last night and i'm proud of it. it will be on stark display all week. >> the co-founder of a group called united we dream, what do

you think of perez's response? >> anderson, to win this november, joe biden needs the support of latino voters in a big way. and it is concerning to see not more latino representation within the dnc, programming, especially from latino political figures, that have inspired and mobilized the latino community like secretary julian castro who is also a former presidential candidate and marginalizing alexandria ocasio-cortez to only 60 seconds of the main programming, meanwhile you saw republicans taking speaking slots in the opening day. >> julian castro said the democrats could win the presidency in november and lose support with latino voters which could benefit republicans in years to come. do you agree? >> look, let's remember that

latina voters supported bernie sanders because of the progressive policies that he championed like medicare for all and stopping deportation during the primary cycle. so the biden campaign needs to do more work to engage this community, and unify the party and mobilize latina voters who are key to winning in this november. and, quite frankly, given even the programming of the dnc, the message of the campaign to latino voters right now is they want to reach out more to republican voters that voted for donald trump than reaching out and engaging latino voters that are needed to win this november. >> do you think that kind assume latino voters will naturally flock to democrats, which is an obvious assumption, i assume no party should make. >> we should not be taken for granted, anderson. and actually the surveys reveal a very concerning number, over

60% of latino voters are saying that they have not received outreach from a presidential campaign. that is a big number and a big concern when latino voters are going to be the largest ethnic group of our electorate during this cycle. and we have to recognize that they're also younger and we know that young people are going to play also a defining role in this election. so if i was in the joe biden camp, i would think about how engage the latina community more effectively, how to leverage the visibility that someone like an aoc or julian castro or even movement leaders have in latina communities engage that community effectively and not take it for granted. because that is a very risky decision. >> christina jimenez, thank you very much. our special coverage continues with jake tapper in a

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. and we begin with breaking news in the fight over the november election and mail-in voting, this afternoon the post master general louis de joy announced

he is suspending planned changes to the u.s. postal service to, quote, avoid the appearance of impact on election mail, after accusations that the trump administration was purposefully trying to undermine mail-in voting ahead of the november election. not ome through the president's rhetoric, in which he speaks repeatedly against vote by mail, but through tangible steps that the postal service had taken that postal carriers said have led to delays throughout the country. dejoy saying that mail processing equipment and collection boxes will remain in place and no facilities will be closed. though it is unclear what this may mean for changes that have already been implemented, such as sorting equipment that has already been removed. the announcement comes as dejoy is scheduled to face lawmakers on capitol hill on friday. cnn's kristin holmes is joining us to talk about this. what sortf