hello, everybody. i'm john king in washington. your mail is breaking news today. the postmaster general facing tough questions from senators, especially democrats who hear the president attacking vote by mail and worry a spike in delays and policy changes are part of the effort to tilt the election.

outrageous how the postmaster dejoy describes the allegations. >> the sacred duties number one priority between now and election day. there has been no changes in any policies with regard to election mail for the 2020 election. if everyone complies with the mail process that we've been identifying there will be absolutely no issue. >> the coronavirus of course is why a record number of americans will vote by mail this fall and the pandemic is shaping decisions about which candidate gets that vote. thursday the united states added 44,000 infections to the case count. overall it will sail past 5.6 million by day's end. another 1,078 deaths yesterday, more than 7,000 americans died of coronavirus in just the last week. the president says the virus though is taking a quote final turn down.

he's made similar predictions before, predictions that of course proven misguided and the pandemic and the president's response a threat of the democrats big convention this week. joe biden asking voters to look at the facts and the case and the death count. the former vice president said voters should ask themselves if the incumbent earned four more years. the speech cast the incumbent as selfish and mr. biden offered a different approach. >> if you entrust me with the presidency i will draw on the best of us, not the worst. i'll be an ally of the light, not the darkness. >> students return to classes, at least 19 states report coronavirus infections on campuses. we go through right now state by state map here. let me bring this up. 50-state map. ten states right now reporting more cases right now than they did a week ago.

you have 19 states that are holding steady at the moment. 21 states going down. 21 states going down at the moment. if you look at the positivity rates in states look at the scale over here. the darker the blue, the higher the positivity rates and see louisiana, louisiana you see mississippi, texas. positivity rates especially in the southeast, even though the cases are down, positivity remains a problem across a lot of the country right here. 19 states, colleges have opened and they have covid cases already. this is what's significant about this. the question is can you keep this down? in a lot of states, these states were heading in the right direction. the green means the case counts going down and now minor outbreaks on campuses. something to watch going through this. focus on one of them here, notre dame, total confirmed cases 147 up on tuesday, 222 on wednesday, up to 304 on thursday. so it's a rising problem here, a

problem that has the attention of people including the vice president of the united states. >> i think father jenkins said that people were congregating off campus and wanted to take a pause in in-classroom learning to make sure that they have that you shou under control. we respect that but the priority has to be to get the kids back to school. we want our teachers to know we are going to continue to prioritize their health, their safety, the safety of our schools but we're going to work every day and states around the country are safely reopening as we speak. we are going to continue to support that and our teachers. >> one georgia school district is taking another look at the reopening plan for the three high schools that have been closed after being hit hard by covid-19. before the closures cherokee county fully opened for in-person classes and now the superintendent says a hybrid model will be looked at.

joining us is natasha chen. a hybrid model after reopening. >> reporter: the three schools temporarily had to close when positive test cases popped up and the plan to reopen them on august 31st. cherokee county outside of atlanta, they held a board meeting yesterday and talked about amending the plan. once august 31st hits what are they going to do? the superintendent talked about this hybrid model where half the students would be kept in the classroom, half would be at home at any given time. so that students on average might have two days of face to face instruction instead of five. just to give some context of what's happened in this district, they have had 201 coronavirus cases since the start of the school year, about 100 of those are still active cases. 29 out of 39 schools and centers have at least 1 case. so that means at least one positive test case on most of

their campuses and of course like we said they amended the reopening plan and considering a hybrid model when the students come back. this struggle of what to do when there are positive test cases and lots of people having to quarantine is not exclusive to the k-12 experience and public schools. of course like you have said, a lot of universities are starting back up for their fall semester. hi here at university of georgia, 49 confirmed coronavirus cases so far but a student body population of 50,000 and 47 out of 50,000, still it is something to look out for, watch out for as these classes continue in person. overall, georgia has had at least 4,900 people die of covid-19 since the pandemic began. and of course, we have seen the seven-day average of new cases come down slightly over the last few weeks. however, the white house

coronavirus task force report recently stated as of sunday georgia with the highest per capita community spread out of the nation and that's something that's caused some contention for the governor kemp as he's had to respond to that, that task force report said that georgia should be doing more and should institute a statewide mask mandate, especially in counties with a higher spread and according to their threshold that pretty much covered the entire state, john. >> continue to watch this situation there and interesting tension now between the governor and the trump white house. natasha chen live for us in atlanta. appreciate that. now from dr. amp compton phillips out in seattle. there's two schools of thought. whether it's a college campus or k-12 you put kids back in the classroom and just like reopening the economy it's inevitable to cases. can we manage it?

as you just watch this, a bit of an unfair question, you watch these universities, hear what you heard about georgia k-12, do you see evidence this is the right way to do it? kids in classes to manage it or early warning signs we are trying this too soon? >> there's early warning signs. there are three kind of key things help us to be safe opening schools, k-12 or university campus. first is, is it under control in the community? what are the cases per 100,000? what is the test positivity rate? if those are both low maybe you consider it but the next step is can you test? can you proactively screen people before they come back into the classroom and not having people actively infected get around a lot of other people. right? the third one is in the classroom can you keep people safe if somebody was a false positive test or infected latter they prevent it from spreading

to everybody else. it sounds like georgia isn't meeting any one of those three. >> help me with some perspective here because the numbers are sort of seared into me. down around 40,000 cases a day, progress. i won't call it good because we are one point 18,000 cases a day and allowed to go back up but 1,000 americans a day pretty much every day this month, 1,000 americans or more died on average. we do know if the case count drops, wait a couple weeks and hopefully the death count drops, as well. >> these interventions are going to have a lag, that lag's going to be three, four weeks. you and i are going to see the cases continue to drop. and then hopefully this week and next weeker going to start seeing the death rate really start to drop again. >> is there reason to believe that, a, that's true?

b, it's the last time down the hill? because we came down the april, may hill to a flat point in june and then we right back up again. >> i do believe that with the case counts dropping right now we will see because the hospitalizations and the deaths tend to lag the case counts so i do think we'll see a trough again and i do not believe this will be the last trough. the virus is out there. it is circulating in the communities with the coming of fall and people going back indoors again and being around each other again and by the way the exhaustion and people feeling like i'm done with this and college kids getting back together again in parties because that's what teenagers do and young adults do is need socialization that i think we'll see in the fall another spike and i just don't see it not happening given the burden of disease that's circulating in the community today. >> and so, to that point you look at that number on the screen. 5.5 million cases in the united

states. that is pretty numbing. number below it is as sad as you can get and listen to dr. redfield here. 5.5 million, he says it is a lot higher. >> we are in the process of o y following up with the understanding of 2 million cases diagnosed is 20 million people infected. we have now exposed that throughout the country. i think if you do a crudest mate somewhere between 30 million and 60 million people but let's let the data come out and see what it shows. >> 30 million to 60 million people? that's stunning. is that the right ballpark figure? is there any blessing in that in the idea of so-called herd immunity or just a wow? >> so there is some data behind saying that the number of infected people, people with antibodies that show some -- exposed some point to this infection is much higher than the case count we know because

the lack of testing that people who early on maybe had the sniffles and thought it was allergies. maybe a mild case of covid and we think that the case counts are significantly higher than measured but still even if we are at 60 million which on the high end, call it 30 million, i can do that math in my head. 10% of the u.s. population and herd immunity is 50% of the population and personally i would be loathe to say that, you know, five times more, ten times more death count is what we want to shoot for so i think absolutely we cannot let up on controlling the spread of the infection. we just can't, full stop. >> sounds like good advice to me. doctor, as always, appreciate your expertise. sometimes tough to listen to but necessary medicine. appreciate it very much. >> always a pleasure. the latest lawmaker to test

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5 million americans infected by covid-19. more than 170,000 americans died. the president takes no responsibility, refuses to lead, blames others. cozies up to dictators and fans the flames of hate and division. he failed to protect, america. my fellow americans, that is unforgivable. >> joining us now to discuss, julie pace, laura barel lopez and alex burns. let's listen, julie, to a little bit more last night. the vice president's goal and the democrats' goal this week to cast biden as the anti-trump. here's a guy of empathy, who understands your pain, who will follow science. the vice president going out of his way to say, guess what, vote for me and i'll even pay attention to those who didn't. >> while i'll be a democratic candidate, i will be an american

president. i'll work hard for those who didn't support me, as hard for them as i did for those that did vote for me. that's the job of a president. to represent all of us. this is not a partisan moment. this must be an american moment. >> in this polarized environment, there's a risk there. the nominating convention filled with evidence validating his approach that fierce opposition to trump to unite a wide swath of the american elect rat around an imperfect yet personally respected and emphathetic candidate. interesting take. >> i think so much of this convention not about ideology, not even really about policy, but competence and character. and biden made this bet in this 2020 campaign very early on that americans would be less focused on ideology and more focused on

decency, looking for somebody who could be essentially a soothing balm after the trump era and he sees coming out of the primary and now the general election that that bet is paying off and he can reach out to republicans, to moderate republicans, conservatives, independents and not alienate the left of the his party united around the need to beat donald trump. >> i was texting with an old friend last night. michael dukakis said this election is about competence. turns out he was just ahead of his time a little bit there. laura, you know, you mentioned, julie talks about the wide swath but among the progressives there's a fascinating transformation of the party under biden. you write it this way. the speed at which the democrats embraced the movement against racial injustice is extraordinary. abo a activists had to push and prod

hillary clinton and bernie sanders to utter the words black lives matter. they eventually did. there's history in this convention and campaign but you're right. that was a dramatic transformation and the democrats are allowing it makes the case to younger voters reluctant to vote and to get a lot of people out to vote. >> yeah. there was such a dramatic shift from 2016, john, as you reference a story that i wrote and not just harris but last night biden asking that if this generation will be the one that wipes away the stain of racism and he said he thinks it can be but what's also noticeable throughout the convention was there is still this disconnect with younger voters and who democrats are choosing to represent and speak to this moment of racial injustice. they chose mayor lance bottoms and mayor of d.c. and they're pressured by lack believes

matter activists, younger activists and felt as though the policy was not there during the convention. so from now until november the question remains whether or not they feel enthusiastic enough about biden's candidacy and what else the campaign will do to address those concerns. >> alex, we live 2016. joe biden entered the convention in the strongest position of a challenger in modern times but we also know that the president gets the turn next week, that this race will tighten and likely very close at the end so the president, incumbent, republican, closely watching the democratic congress ven democratic convention. >> the democrats held the darkest and gloomiest and angry convention in american history. they spent four straight days attacking america as racist and horrible country that must be redeemed. joe biden grimly declared a

season of american darkness. and yet, look at what we have accomplished. >> that has to go through a fact check machine. they didn't call the country racist. they called him racist and other terms. it is interesting to see the president's reaction to understand he goes next and this is going to be a very tight race. >> yeah. i think one way to think about what the democrats did or didn't accomplish this week is how much space have they left for the president to fill in in his own sort of typically misleading terms as he tried to do this morning. i think republicans have found including last night watching joe biden's speech much of the caricature they have tried to paint of him as an incoherent over the hill old man has not really panned out over the last couple of days or the idea that biden is a bomb throwing anarchist to burn police stations. it is not the biden who we have all covered for quite sometime.

i do think that the challenge ahead for democrats and potentially the opportunity for republicans is that as julie said democrats didn't spend a lot of time talking about a policy but trump, talking about broad values, laura pointing out that younger voters disappointed to not hear more about policy. i do wonder whether there's still a bit of a heavy lift left for biden to define what an america after four years of a biden administration would look like and what are the concrete ways this people's individual lives would change besides presumably hopefully the absence of a crippling pandemic. we know what the republicans will say and what trump has already started to say. whether voters find that credible or not i don't know but there's a blank space there left after the democratic convention. >> it is a fascinating challenge, laura, because joe biden is going to -- you hear the democrats say we are the responsible party and not going to travel and seen the president

and the vice president on the road this week and plan to travel more and you see pictures of the vice president at an event, no one wears a mask. can the democrats fill in the empty policy canvas, if you will? through ads or speeches over the internet? >> so far, yes. it is primarily digital ads, tv ads, zoom meetings, you know, holding different conversations that way but so far they haven't been knocking on doors the way politico's reporting that republicans have been. they have been going door to door and democrats, the dnc has not been doing that and also in this convention warning about it's going to take time to actually cast your ballot so to get on that as soon as possible. how are they helping voters better understand how to cast the mail-in ballot or how to prepare for what could be very long lines come election day?

>> this will be the most fascinating test of digital organizing we have ever lived through. julie pace, the president's convention is next. they have had the opportunity since we are living in this brave new pandemic world to watch how the democrats pulled this off. the didn't want a virtual convention. he was going to go to charlotte and then jacksonville and had to bow to reality, if you will. what do we expect? what republican lessons if you will did they learn from this week? >> we know that the president and his advisers were watching the democratic convention really closely to try to learn lessons, what worked and didn't work and i think their takeaway is that there are opportunities to really control your message and in a bit of a better world. you don't have to rely on the unpredictability sometimes of speeches. what we see next week, a little bit different than the democratic convention is more trump himself and much more of a

central figure in each of these nights of the convention than biden was and some because of trump's theory is that he is the front man, he needs to be out there. some of, of course, the fact within the republican party you have politicians and former leaders that don't necessarily want to take part in this event. >> just want to look, democrats, republicans, independents, just to the moment, alex, of last night joe biden, first met in iowa in 1987 and tried again in 2008, we did see a testament to resilience last night and the president tried to say joe biden is not up to this, too old, not nimble or agile enough, not smart enough the path said straight out. democrats come out of the convention thinking that the vice president answered some of those questions and that they proved the empathy case i guess for lack of a better word. >> i think they clearly did. i do think this is one of the

underestimated strengths for joe biden since the very beginning of this campaign is the country feels like they know him, his numbers have not moved all that much up or down in any direction no matter what has happened in this race in terms of basic favorability, unfavorability. it is so striking, this is somebody when's nominated for president after half a century of public life, nobody in modern history, i don't think anybody in american history at all waited for such a long interval to be nominated for president and for all the success that the democrats had this week in laying out joe biden's biography, maybe the more remarkable thing is how little would be new to people, people know about his tragic family story, they know the circumstances under which he came to the senate and they know his relationship with barack obama. so there was still space for them to tell the fine details of that story but from the very beginning of this campaign every

person, every campaign or interest group that did focus groups about biden, polled about biden said the things they knew about him is close to barack obama, that he had this tragic family story and a decent man. >> they're hoping that decent man part helps them in the contrast with the coronavirus. republicans go next. great to see you all. coming up, president trump's postmaster general grilled on capitol hill over post office changes. what we have learned about the impact to the election. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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today the postmaster general facing contentious questions mostly from democratic senators over whether changes he's implementing at the postal service to slow election mail. democrats worry the changes are political and they believe some of them that they're meant to impact the election. the postmaster general says, absolutely not. >> i have never spoken to the president about the postal service other than to congratulate me when i accepted the position. >> prior to the changes did you discuss these changes or their impact on the election with any trump campaign officials? >> i'm one new person in the organization. with the whole structure around me, an operating structure, an executive team around that are involved in these decisions. okay? having any -- moving forward

trying to have any negative impact on the election is an outrageous claim. >> joining me now phil mattingly on capitol hill. the postmaster general essentially saying there's nothing to see here. the democrats convinced? >> reporter: no, no. i don't think they will be for a while and i think he will have to face more heat coming to testify in front of the house on monday. house democrats will move a bill related to some of those operational changes tomorrow. rare saturday session in the middle of august. the sound you play gave you a sense of what louis dejoy came to the hearing to do, a first public appearance in members of congress and didn't have to be confirmed by the u.s. senate given the post by the postal board and the job to push back on allegations that spread like wildfire in the last several of weeks, concerns that the operational delays were intentional, a connection to the tens of millions of mail-in ballots coming because of the

pandemic. this was what he had to say about the election. >> this sacred duties a number one priority between now and election day. there's been no changes in any policies with regard to election mail for the 2020 election. if everyone complies with the mail process that we have been identifying there will be absolutely no issue. >> reporter: and, john, one thing to keep in mind here, while he is trying to decouple this from the election one thing that he knowledged and all lawmakers from both parties acknowledged is delivery delays and not just because of the coronavirus but largely in part from when he started in june just a couple of months ago and that is where you're going do see pressure going forward. you have heard about vote by mail and the election but the delays in terms of the on the ground issues they create for democratic lawmakers and union members but the constituents,

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the postmaster general dejoy testifying this morning at a senate hearing insisting the agency is up to the task of the expected surge in mail-in ballots this election season. >> as we head into an election season, i want to assure this committee and the american public that the postal service is fully capable and committed

to delivering the nation's election mail securely and on time. we will deploy processes and procedures that advance any election mail in some cases ahead of first class mail. >> one reason democrats are skeptical is because he is also a trump fund-raiser and the president continues to wage war on mail-in voting, the latest last night where the president accused the democrats of demanding to harvest ballots saying they're trying to steal the election. joining me now the colorado governor whose state has deep experience with absentee voting. first the credibility of the postmaster general essentially telling democrats there's nothing here. i'm on top of this, i will get the mail on time, will be on top of ballots and a question of an order that went out to move the big, large sorting machines and the postmaster general said we don't need them. listen, sir.

>> you'll be bringing back anymore mail sorting machines that have been removed since you have become postmaster general? >> there's no intention to do that. they're not needed, sir. >> you will not bring back any processors? >> they're not needed, sir. >> before you became governor you got out of washington. wise man. trying to take it out into america. is the post office doing anything in terms of cutting services, moving machines, boxes that you feel is a deliberate effort to undermine the election? >> you know, i think at best, john, the timing is suspicious and we all know that there needs to be improvements and efficiencies in the postal service but the administration is finally realizing is that the time is not 75 days before an election and the president's on the ballot. i think we can have a rational, calm, logical discussion about this december, january, february of next year and not the time to upset the cart when we rely on

it for over 99% of the votes in colorado and across the country. >> rational, calm, logical conversation. good luck. i shouldn't be so snarky. i hope that can happen no matter who wins the election. a question about this election, a reason democrats are suspicious and mr. dejoy tried to answer the concerns today, a reason they're suspicious is the president several times a day questions saying that the election is rigged, can't trust the results. listen to this from last night. you run your elections in your state, governor and listen to the president's tack ke on maki sure that the voting is correct. >> are you going to have poll watchers? are you going to have an ability to monitor to avoid fraud? >> we're going to have everything. we will have sheriffs and will have law enforcement and we're going to have hopefully u.s. attorneys and we are going to have everybody, an attorney general. but it's very hard.

>> would that be tolerated in the state of colorado if the republicans decided to send in law enforcement? >> absolutely. absolutely not. federal agents will not take over the elections. we have republican and democratic poll watchers, each party and the minor parties, as well. they're allowed in the room when ballots are checked and not going to kowtow to federal agents trying to take over the fair election system in colorado which is elected republicans and elected democrats, has broad, widespread support and includes legitimate poll watchers from both parties in the counting rooms. >> i have visited the election offices in denver and in jefferson county, as well. listen to the president because this is the issue. we have a pandemic, a record number of americans to vote for mail. absentee, mail-in voting. your state at this for quite sometime. >> absentee ballots are good but

the stuff of millions and millions of ballots and send them all over the place will grab it and put them in a big pile there, everyone grab it, it's a disgrace. so this is just a way they're trying to steal the election and everybody knows that. because the only way they're going to win is by rigged election. >> i don't think you rigged your election, governor. look. some tom sometimes you laugh at this but this is the president of the united states undermining confidence in democracy. does mail-in voting work in your state? >> absolutely works. we have the integrity, the security. what the president talked about if somebody is illegally filing a ballot that's a felony in colorado. we are very serious about prosecuting voter fraud and there's not been significant voter fraud in our state. we have a more secure system than many other states with signature verification so i don't know what he is talking

about, somebody committing a felony. they should go to jail. and of course, we are rigorous in the policing of that and if he wants to talk about how people shouldn't be illegal voting of course that's the case but wes trying to cast aspersions on the way over 99% of coloradoans vote and it is a default for more than a decade, a majority of voters voted that way. i think i have been to a polling place once or twice in my life. frankly, it is the future of voting. especially as ballots are longer and more complicated. colorado voters have to vote eight or ten issues. >> there's very little fraud in mail-in elections and tend to increase participation. governor polis of colorado, appreciate your time today. still ahead for us, the vice

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today the vice president mike pence said he knows nothing about the fringe qanon conspiracy theory. the president said he didn't know much either but that they liked him. listen to the vice president.

>> they said they love america, mr. vice president. >> he said -- >> do you believe they love america? >> i don't know anything about that conspiracy theory? >> how can you given how much it's been in the news? >> well, honestly, john, i just don't know anything about it. we heard about it. we dismiss conspiracy theories around here. >> will you dismiss it? >> i just did, john. >> no. >> we dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand. >> a white house correspondent kaitlan collins with us now. this question comes up, the vice president didn't appreciate it, the president not only says they like him and he praises congressional candidates who believe this quackery. >> reporter: several candidates who have backed the fringe conspiracy that believes things like that, there are a group of politicians that worship satan and plotting to take trump down, a belief of this group and the

president was told about that when he was asked about it the other day during -- in the briefing room and this is why the vice president is asked because the president responded like this. >> i don't know much about the movement other than i understand they like me very much. which i appreciate. but i don't know much about the movement. i have heard that it is gaining in popularity. i have heard these are people that love our country. >> reporter: so you see there he is giving them a boost saying he believes they're people that love our country, not how the fbi sees it labeling qanon as a potential domestic terrorist threat so you have to keep that in mind seeing how the president is viewing this and another note, how the president and the vice president are saying they don't know a lot about the group, it is something that's been elevated by republicans, by some people who work in the white house when they retweet memes from this group and also i have been to the president's rallies back when we had those

before the pandemic and you would often see a lot of qanon supporters there wearing t-shirts with the letter "q" on it and signs and saw a noticeable amount of them at the president's own rallies. >> appreciate that. up next here, the cdc chief redfield says a staggering number of americans well beyond the public numbers may have been infected with the coronavirus. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. we adapt and we change. you know, you just figure it out. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪ we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath.

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