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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you so much for joining me this hour. two major stories we are tracking right now. chaos on the streets of kenosha, wisconsin, first off. we want to warn you that what we are about to show you some of this video you may find disturbing. people are searching for a man seen in videos carrying a long gun after two people were shot and killed overnight in the midst of protests over the police shooting of jacob blake. a third person was injured, as well. still this morning, we are waiting for updates from kenosha police and the sheriff about what you are seeing in this video right now and eyewitnesses say were people being shot on the street in kenosha.
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the sheriff said last night that there has been a group of vigilantes he calls a militia that have been armed and patrolling the streets for days, though the sheriff isn't saying if there is a connection here. a lot of questions. protests in kenosha have been happening since sunday after police shot jacob blake at least seven times in the back. wisconsin's governor has declared a state of emergency and has called in 250 members of the national guard to assist. the county is asking for 1500. the big question now is what happens today? we will have much more on that in just a moment, but we are also tracking hurricane laura which is barreling toward the gulf coast right now. it's now a category 3 storm and is expected to intensify even more before making landfall overnight tonight. hurricane warnings are in effect for big parts of texas and louisiana with more than 1.5 million people under evacuation orders.
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all of this in the midst of course, of the coronavirus pandemic. so let's start right there. cnn's chad meyers is tracking the storm. he is joining me right now. the national hurricane center put out their latest forecast. what are you seeing now? >> the forecasts comes out four times a day, 11:00, 5:00, 11:00, 5:00. it is not good. it is 125 miles per hour now and it is forecast to get to 145 and it's going to do that offshore and then move onshore and move right over lake charles. it's going to put what the hurricane center is calling an unsurvivable storm surge under the barrier islands. if you live there you know where you are, it's time to go. we had a 15 or 20-foot storm surge in the forecast earlier this week because we knew this was going to be a big storm and you in it's here. this is the forecast. here comes the radar and here comes the rain and it will come onshore and the eye wall comes
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some time overnight and the eye wall and the hurricane conditions will get there much later than that, there will be no way to get out at that point. if you need to leave you need to leave now. look at the lake charles wind speed. 127 that's the forecast wind gust as the storm comes onshore and the wall of water will push to the north and that storm surge over to these islands like holly beach and calcasieu. there might not be left in a lot of these places and a lot of what we saw in waveland and bay city and even biloxi. when we talk about the katrina storm surge it was 26 feet and that's what we're looking at here. a 20-foot storm surge. see that number? 10 to 15? that's the old number, right? in the middle, 15 to 20 feet of water and there are waves out there, kate, that are 35 feet high moving over these islands. i can't stress this enough. i know you can think you can
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handle it and some people say batten down the hatches, but you need to go. somewhere in the better part of a million people need to leave. run from the water and hide from the wind. if that was your water forecast you need to go. >> i'll be talking to someone from galveston county, and that is terrifying what they will be looking at soon. chad is tracking it andwe we'lle checking back with him in a little bit. >> a violent and deadly night in kenosha, two people are dead and another person is injured after a shooting overnight that quite frankly, still hasn't been explained and at least right now the gunman is thought to still be on the loose. i'll warn you once again, this video we're about to show you you may find disturbing. [ screaming ] [ shots fired ] >> oh [ bleep ]. he shot that guy in the stomach! [ screaming ] [ shots fired ]
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[ bleep ]. >> people are getting shot around us. people are just getting shot, guys. >> you can hear the gun fire. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> you can hear the gun fire very clearly. you can hear the fear in people's voices, the screams for help. people being shot all around them, he's saying. police say that they're investigating what happened and if this was a result of a clash between protesters and people that the sheriff is describing as a vigilante group. they don't know or have not said yet. here is another, we'll show you video of the shooting from a different angle. this -- you can hear the gun fire right there and this is also moments after. you can see police moving in with armored vehicles and talking about shots have been fired. joining me right now is tony atkins, a reporter from wtmj in wisconsin who recorded that last video that we just showed you last night. tony, thanks for jumping on. can you just describe what you
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saw and heard and what it was like last night when it was happening? >> that's right, kate. thanks for having me on. last night, as you can imagine, it was a very tense night. most of the action took place along the road sheridan. protesters clashed with police, tear gas was deployed as we've seen on previous nights. that tear gas was deployed as officers pushed the protesters south down sheridan. now, south on sheridan there are a number of businesses. one thing we've notice sid is te were groups on facebook saying they would armor up and protect businesses. just about every business in the downtown kenosha area was boarded up and as they approached a gas station near 63rd, i believe, and sheridan, that's where we noticed some infighting between civilian groups and we saw what appeared to be members of the militia or the vigilante group as the police describe clashing with some protesters. there was one moment where i
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noticed that pa protester was pushed down by a member of the group, another protester defended her. a gun was pulled out at that moment and shots were going to be fired at some point and police deployed tear gas. protesters then moved further south down sheridan as we were reporting and recording that video, and the final thing you hear is the shots being fired and then at that moment we heard the armored vehicles, people in the armored vehicles saying that shots were fired and we were maybe two blocks north of where that incident happened. >> tony, you've been on the street. you've been covering these protests as they've been playing out. i've been following on twitter on it. you talked about these vigilantes and militia groups. you've seen these people and are you getting a better sense of who these people are that are out that the sheriff says have
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been out patrolling, armed. do you think -- do you have any sense if they're from town coming in from out of town? >> you know, it's really interesting. i was working with a security detail last night and one of the things we did notice were some illinois plates. illinois and kenosha are back-to-back. so it's really kind of hard to tell if they were coming in from out of town. we saw, as you see with many of these protesters or folks are coming in from minnesota or folks are coming in from indiana. you will see the rumors on social media. one thing i can say i saw illinois plates from some folks defending a tire shop where a car was set on fire, but right now, you know, it's really hard to say. i think tonight, as we head back out there it would be interesting to speak to some of those people and see what they're here for. obviously, they mentioned
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protecting businesses and where they come from and we'll definitely be keeping our ear to the ground about this group and pushing for more details about the person responsible for that shooting that we just saw and why the police describe it as a vigilante. >> if the person is still on the loose, you even posted video of when police located a gun that was kind of off on the sidewalk as you were describing. tony, thank you very much for coming on. thank you for your reporting. please be safe. we will be watching as you're out there tonight again. thank you very much. let's get over to cnn's sara sidner. she is also on the ground in kenosha. sara, you've done an amazing job trying to paint a picture of what happened last night and it was clearly chaos from all of the videos that are out there and a lot of speculation concerning who caused it. what is the latest that you can tell us? what are you hearing? >> reporter: so here's a couple of things. i talked to someone who has seen
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this unfold overnight and who is from this community and they talked about a couple of things. one, this night was different from the other past two nights where it's been people who were protesting in the name of jacob blake, protesting against police and much of that happening here and just a few streets down. this was different because interjected into these protests were people who came in, who were wearing army-type garb or military-type garb, people who were saying they were surrounding a business or two particularly gas stations, who were trying to act as if they were law enforcement, who were questioning people as if they were law enforcement. we heard from this gentleman that i spoke to who was from here in kenosha that many of them looked like members of militias who had shown up from out of town, who said they were here to protect businesses, and so what you were seeing is this confluence of groups that are
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now targeting kenosha and how many residents, are very, very, very concerned that this is going to blow up into something more violent and indeed, it did overnight. two people shot and killed and a third who was injured and you know, when you look at the scenario. when you see the video of one of these men, a white man who has a long gun, it's strapped across his chest and he's walking down the street. he fires at someone as they are trying to grab him. they are yelling he just shot someone, he just shot someone and it appears they are trying to apprehend him according to one of the men who witnessed this and you see him fire his gun at point-blank range at two people. he hits one because that person crumples to the ground. the concern here is when residents see that is that this man was able to walk past not one, but three different law enforcement officers who were in vehicles who passed him by while he's walking with his long gun and his hands up.
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there's a lot of concern that these folks are going to create a whole new violent scenario here in kenosha. >> absolutely. sara, thank you for being there. i really appreciate it. >> joining me now is wisconsin state representatives david bowen. he was at the protests in kenosha. thank you for coming on. what do you say about what happened last night? >> this is very clear this is exhibit b of why we need transformation in this system. you clearly have these hate group, these violent hate groups coming across the border, what good are police departments and law enforcement if they aren't keeping track of these groups that seek to not peacefully do whatever they like to get their message across or doing anything like that. they're here to cause trouble and they're here to actually hurt people and that's what they did last night. exhibit a was jacob blake actually being hurt and made a problem when he actually was stepping up to prevent violence
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and that is why we need to translate this dramatically and why police departments and agencies need to be operating in a different way and their relationships and communities so that communities can lead to peace and to lead the initiatives to really keep public safety in their communities in a different way. >> and i'm curious, you talk about these people coming in from across the border and hate groups. i know there's a lot of reporting and sara sidner has done reporting on cnn with vigilante groups and their ties to wide supremacy over your reporting that she's done. what do you know about the folks that have been on the ground in kenosha? what are -- what we heard from tony atkins was that they say that they're there to protect businesses. what did you see or what are you hearing in your capacity? >> well, what i saw last night was a number of individuals
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running around in pickup trucks that clearly were white supremacists. they were armed. they were destroying property. they were vandalizing vehicles including mine and including other protesters. they were there to agitate and to hurt protesters and you know, i have people asking me why go back out there or why keep protesting? because we cannot allow anyone to take away our constitutional right to transform this system and to advocate for what it needs to change into. we know that law enforcement agencies for the most part are there and they're responding to calls for service or they're making calls for service of their own, but the culture in policing right now is so toxic that it's actually destroying communities and it's hurting people and it's targeting the wrong folks. you don't target protesters. you should be targeting protesters and no one was keeping track of what they were doing. >> you mention it, but there are these two very disturbing
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images, right, that we have coming out. at least the facts as we know them that are known publicly rid y right now. you have a man walking around with a long gun shooting people in the streets of kenosha and we think at least right now, not in the hands of police and then you have jacob blake shot in the back by police as he's opening his car door, his children are in the car. the details of this, of course, matter. we say that caveat, of course, but with just those basic fact, what does it is a to you? what needs to happen rid nght n in your state? in your area? >> immediately, we need lawmakers to stop objecting and stop be on obstructing the change we need to see. this is not an us versus them scenario. this is about the future we all deserve and making sure that we are in a place to advocate for
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communities that will define public safety and institute it in a completely different way, transform it and it means that we have to take the power from the people who have been controlling this system of public safety where to them it includes hurting people. it includes targeting and harassing people of color and especially the black community here in wisconsin. people are stepping up and they don't want to take that anymore and they don't believe that we can pass this on to our children and they believe that we can do this now and that does scare people. that is at the heart of this, we need lawmakers and my colleagues in the state assembly to listen and the pleas for change and the more that they obstruct it, the more that they are causing the hate, the division and the violence. >> as that continues and the most immediate. i will say i am surprised that there hasn't been an update today or the press conference by police and the sheriff about what they're doing right now to
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try to calm things down. as jacob blake's mother has called for, to calm things down. we look forward to getting an update from them. wisconsin state rep, really appreciate it. david, thank you for coming on. appreciate it. coming up for us, much more on hurricane laura headed straight toward texas and louisiana. more than a million people have been ordered to evacuate. we'll go live to galveston, texas. plus a major change from the cdc on testing guidelines. a change without explanation. what is going on here and why? it has upset so many experts.
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with hurricane laura bearing down on the gulf coast hundreds of thousands of people are in the threat zone. galveston, texas, issued a mandatory evacuation order tuesday for all 50,000-some residents on the island. the city facing a serious threat from the storm's path right now. joining me now over the phone for the very latest is galveston county judge mark henry. judge, can you hear me? >> i can hear you fine. >> thank you so much for taking the time to jump on the phone. how are things going in g galveston and other parts of the conte? >> it appears evacuations are going very well and citizens have listened to our cautions and have evacuated. we've had no significant issues. i'm responsible for all of the peninsula which is an inincorporated part of the county which lies just outside of the cone of the path of the hurricane. >> what's your biggest concern right now? ? our biggest concern is that this is a powerful storm and
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hurricanes are notorious for making last-minute changes that no one predicted and we have very little time to react should that happen now. so we've been encouraging preparedness the last few days if the hurricane stays on the path that it's on. >> i heard you say that services were shutting down earlier than you were anticipating. why is that? what does this mean? what should i tell folks? >> the service that i was referring to is the ferry service. the ferry connects all of our peninsula to galveston island. it's run by the state of texas. they have criteria for when it becomes too dangerous to operate. they shut down at 11:30 last night and they had not met that criteria and it was something i had not planned on occurring that early and it left one way out of the peninsula one way to the east. >> that spells a lot of trouble if people aren't moving. what is your message for folks
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in galveston county who have been obviously told to evacuate, but if they choose to stay as we often hear when storms are approaching? >> certainly. my message is if you've been put in a mandatory evacuation zone please evacuate. wooe n we're not doing that because it's the right choice to make. we are worried about safety and property damage. please evacuate. if you're under orders, you might stay where you are and further west of the county and i don't think evacuation orders have been issued in the western part of the county. >> all of this is happening in the midst of the pandemic and that will change the way people can evacuate. judge, we'll stay close to you. good luck over the next few hours, that's for sure. appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> still ahead for us, the cdc
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without any explanation, the cdc has made several changes to their covid guidelines and it's confusing and alarming many. one major change has to do with testing. let's show you what the change is. as you can see on the screen, the cdc's guidance used to be that anyone who comes in close contact with someone who has covid or suspected of having covid that they should also get tested. now the same website says that if you don't have any symptoms, even if you've been in that same, close contact you no longer need to be tested. what is going on here? joining me right now is the cnn medical analyst and former new york city assistant health commissioner. dr. gander, it's nice to see you again. does this make any sense to you? >> kate, at best, this represents real confusion among the scientists at the cdc about what is a clinical, diagnostic
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approach to testing and what is a public health surveillance approach. i confess, i think it is more likely that this is an intentional effort by the administration to conceal the true extent of transmission and the numbers. we've known for the last couple of months now that asymptomatic transmission or transmission by people who have no symptoms is contributing significantly to this pandemic and without being able to have the data on who those people are and being able to isolate them and separate them from people who are not infected, we're shooting ourselves in the foot and we're leaving one of the most important tools we have to control this on the table. >> i do want to ask you about what you just said. you believe, you suspect, i would say, probably fear that this has something to do with political pressure coming from the white house because no one has shown evidence that less testing is going help the crisis and there is lots of data showing that many people spread the virus without showing any
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symptoms and i just want to get your take on what do you think this is going to mean, going to happen right now and do you think there's any other possibility other than what you suspect which is this is coming from pressure from the white house. >> well, i think this week both the cdc and the fda have suffered real blows to their credibility as scientific public health agencies that are there to advocate for what is in the best interest of the public and whether that is the emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma and adequate data and this changed to cdc guidelines and this is very concerning and those of us in the public health community and the epidemiologists have been advocating for more testing and not less testing. if we were doing mass testing cheaply equivalent to the urine test strip where you could potentially do that every day or every couple of days and that is a way to reopen the economy.
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that is a way to reopen our schools, but this is -- not only is it not mass testing. this is a reversal of what we should be doing. >> in general, though, is this how it should work? changing guidance for how the public should be operating during a pandemic by putting it up on your website with no public announcement and no explanation? >> we should be getting press conference briefings by the cdc at least on a weekly basis, if not on a daily basis just as the white house coronavirus task force was at one point giving regular briefings. that's really something we should be hearing from the cdc. we should be hearing from the scientists who have their pulse or have their finger on the pulse of the science, who know exactly what are the latest developments. what does it mean? and to interpret that from the perspective of the science and public health interests. unfortunately, what we are hearing over and over again now is politicized messaging and
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really a lack of transparency about the real -- what the real extent of the pandemic is. >> another change coming from the cdc that removing its guidance that you should quarantine, stay home for 14 days after returning from international travel or from an area with a high level of covid. what do you think of that? >> well, again, this makes no sense. one of our most important tools rid now right now is to prevent transmission from person to person. that includes wearing masks and that includes the social distancing from six feet apart from people especially when you're indoors and in addition to that, that also means that if you're coming from a place where you may well have been exposed whether it's in the airport or the city itself where you're traveling from that we wouldn't want you to be spreading that infection to others in your community and creating a new hot spot in your community. so without these tools whether it's quarantine and whether it's testing and whether it's isolation, you're really putting
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ourselves in a very difficult position in terms of containing the virus. >> yeah. it's just -- one thing we don't need right now is more confusion. more confusion and people -- and less people following actual public health, sound public health advice. dr. gounder, thanks for coming up for us. day two is in the books. melania, she for one, went where the president won't when it comes to coronavirus, but also that her declaration that you deserve total honesty from your president. ♪ here's to the duers. to all the people who realize they can du more with less asthma thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathing problems. it can improve lung function for better breathing
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health and economic impacts were tragic. hardship and heartbreak were everywhere, but presidential leadership came swiftly and effectively with an extraordinary rescue for health and safety toe successful he fight the covid virus. >> i mean, no one watching right now obviously, none of you needs reminding that the pandemic is far from over. it was awful. it still is awful. kudlow's choice of tense might be a good representation of how the white house, the president has treated this crisis all along, ignoring it or dismissing it or wishing it were already over. though that is -- that is not how it works. that is not reality. the first lady's message was quite different expressing deep sympathy for all of those who have suffered and died in this pandemic. listen to this. >> since march our lives have changed drastically. the invisible enemy, covid-19
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swept across our beautiful country and impacted all of us. my deepest sympathy goes out to everyone who has lost a loved one and my prayers are with those who are ill or suffering. >> joining me now is cnn contributor kate anderson brower and cnn white house correspondent john harwood. good to see you both. the first lady said what people wish they'd heard from the president and also doesn't seem capable of saying. she even said you're not alone was part of her message and i was reading your review of it all and you think she delivered as well as anyone could. what do you mean? >> well, i think she spoke in a way that her husband can't, if you say, and she talked about this -- this pandemic that's ravaging the country that we didn't hear much about at the
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rnc, and i think she also spoke to suburban women when she talks about being a mother. she's trying to connect, i think, with undecided voters which is something you didn't see from any of the other speakers including tiffany trump and eric trump last night who were really going very fierce partisan speeches. but of course, kind of in congress with the president's actual administration, right? and melania's birther support for the birther movement also. so when she talks about healing racial divides, you can't -- you can't take it entirely seriously because you look at what she's done as first lady and it really hasn't been all that much. >> yeah. john, the first lady, she also said that the president will not rest until everyone is taken care of after this pandemic. i mean, that is not what the president has shown so far through the pandemic, demanding all schools reopen regardless of infection rates. he still says the virus is just going to disappear, apparently
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by a miracle. how do you square it, kate's getting it, but how do you square it? >> you square it is that we have a politically effective speech from melania last night and we did not get total honesty from her like larry kudlow. the president has tried to downplay and shun this aside from the beginning and frames it, in fact, as a threat to his re-election and a threat to his economic record. he's lacked the discipline and inclination to do the things needed to do to get the virus under control and now he's trying to pretend that it doesn't exist and hope and pray for a miracle to the point that he's pressuring his fda to take actions that public health authorities think are unwise and hasty and even in the venue of melania trump's speech in the rose garden. where were the masks? where was the distancing? it simply wasn't there. they're trying to communicate a
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message to the american people that this is done, but it plainly is not done. the hardship and heartbreak that larry kudlow talked about are very much with us today. >> yeah. the definition of not leading by example from what you saw from the cut shots in the crowd for sure, john. let me play what john was alluding to at the very top when he said total honesty, something else that melania trump said. >> total honesty is what we as citizens deserve from our president whether you like it or not, you always know what he's thinking. >> i mean, total -- i'm sorry to put it this way after i've thought of different ways to try to ask this question and i can't seem to ask it a different way. is she tries to gaslight america or do something else? >> i've been wondering that since she announced the campaign, right? the cyber bullying campaign when her husband is the most notorious cyber bully in the world. i think she operates on her own
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lane. we know, it has been reported by kate bennett that she didn't run the speech through the west wing. she wrote it herself with one or two other advisers. it is heartfelt, but i also think she's in this bubble. she doesn't see what americans are going through. i don't necessarily know if she doesn't care. i think that she's just so much kind of isolated and shielded from it and she hasn't been able to connect in the way that other first ladies have, certainly michelle obama and laura bush were able to tell stories about their husbands that really got at their humanity and empathy and we didn't hear that from melania trump. it was really about her last night. >> that's a good point, kate. >> we have also never use the president use the trappings of the office in such an overt way to campaign. handing out a pardon, holding a naturalization ceremony during the convention, having his secretary of state give a speech
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from jerusalem. it might not be allowed, but it also here seems clear that what is right and what may work may not be the same thing well, we don't know whether this is going to work for the president and nothing else that he's done politically has worked. he trails joe biden by a siggive in significant margin this is part of profile and values and that is to say he does not really care about anything beyond himself and therefore he doesn't care about the respect for institutions of government, and it is also the apotheosis of where the party is going it disdains government and disdains the use of government to address problems of americans and has not been good at running the government. and so the idea that you use the government, them, as a tool,
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peculiarly or particularly for your political interests is not really a long step. there's no reverence for institutions in the way there has been in the republican party of the recent past or the democratic party. >> definitely not the trump party. the trump republican party. that's for sure. thanks, guys. i really appreciate it. the cnn special coverage of the republican convention continues tonight starting at 7:00 eastern. >> coming up for us, still. the world's largest airline will be forced to layoff thousands if it doesn't get more help from the federal government? is help coming and what does this say about any hope of economic recovery? because only tempur-pedic's proprietary material adapts and responds to your body- -so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. take advantage of our best offer of the year, with savings up to $500.
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more than six months after the pandemic brought travel to a virtual standstill, new evidence the industry is far away from a full recovery. american airlines saying it is forced to layoff 19,000 workers by october 1st if it doesn't get more help from the federal government. american's not the only airline sounding the alarm. bring in cnn's alison kosik following this. >> reporter: not just american. american and other airlines and labor unions that are lobbying congress for $25 billion to help them through this tough time. that's in addition to the $25 billion they've already taken as part of the c.a.r.e.s. act relief package in march. specifically about american, they wound up taking $5.8 billion in march. and when they did that, stipulated that they would promise to save jobs for six months, now that time has run
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out. american has announced these layoffs and furloughs could happen as soon as october 1st, unless it gets that it additional help. those 19,000 employees, they include some frontline workers like pilots and flight attendants. not just employees impacted by the struggles of american airlines. passengers as well. as you saw there on the screen, american is looking to suspend flight service from 15 cities in october citing low demand. there were stipulations airlines that took this money couldn't sort of fuss with the service routes, but now that that money is running out, october 1st could be the deadline when we see a suspension in service in those 15 cities. delta also having its own struggles saying it will furlough 1,900 pilots if it doesn't get additional funding. in an internal memo delta saying six months into the pandemic. only 25% revenue recovered.
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unfortunately we see few catalyst over the next six months to femonth months meaningful change to this trajectory. they may be able to avoid this with additional help from the union or additional funding from the government. >> wow. really appreciate it. thank you so much. all right. so for the very latest on market news check out "markets now" streaming live at 12:45 p.m. eastern only @cnnbusiness. still ahead a manhunt under way after two were kill the in shootings overnight. the very latest, on the ground. look, this isn't my first rodeo
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welcome to viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing a busy tuesday with us. we are at the halfway point through a republican convention. a sharp focus on the people and places the president sees as pivotal in his re-election chances. plus a very determined effort to both distort joe biden's record
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