erin "outfront" starts right now. erin "outfront" starts right -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, breaking news, the police union in wisconsin fighting back tonight saying jacob blake was still in the hospital, had a knife in his hand and put an officer in a head lock before he got shot. michelle obama weighing in tonight saying she is exhausted and that's not all. and more breaking news. the president about to speak to more than 1,400 supporters in new hampshire and it is now a crowd without masks defying state law to wear them, no social distancing. we're going to go there. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm "erin burnett outfront" tonight the news. the kenosha police officers association giving a different side of the story tonight releasing their first detailed version of what happened the

night jacob blake was shot seven times in the black by a police officer. we're also learning new details out about an arrest warrant out at the time of the shooting. the officer association says the officer who shot blake, and it was one officer, who shot him all seven times, that that officer was aware of that warrant when he arrived on the scene. this is the video from the day blake was shot. you see the officer follow blake around the car, then shoot him. the police association now says though there is more to the story that we did not see. first they say blake fought with the officers, putting one in the head lock. second they say he was armed with a knife which they repeatedly told him to drop. that will be up to a court to determine what came next was justified. in just a moment i'll speak to the man who filmed the shooting. he says the police union's story does not fit with what he saw. we're going ogo through this in details. one of the attorneys telling cnn

the police are just trying to justify the shooting. >> we see in these type of police brutality cases they tray to justify their actions and i think it's very clear. i think the world watched that same 20-second video, they can clearly see like my co-counsel mentioned that jacob never posed an imminent threat and their actions are unjustified and excessive. >> one thing we know is that jacob blake is still in the hospital. today the former first lady michelle obama writing in i'm devastated by the shootings in kenosha. i've been thinking a lot about what our kids are seeing every day in this country, a lack of empathy, division stoked in times of crisis, the age-old racism prominent this summer. sometimes they see it in the news. sometimes they see it from the backseat of a car. like so many of you i'm exhausted and frustrated right now. let's go to omar jiminez.

what more are you learning about what the police association is saying about what happened. >> well, erin, the professional police association is claiming that many of the narratives that have come out so far are inaccurate in their account of the shooting is what really happened. well, jacob blake's attorneys say what's come out from the association is completely overblown. they're also saying that jacob blake is now no longer shackled to his hospital bed as the warrants against him have been vacated. but they do say any potential charges against him are still pending. >> mom, get back! >> reporter: as an investigation continues to play out over the shooting of jacob blake, the police association is releasing their own account of the shooting, saying officers knew about his open warrant for sexual assault prior to arriving at the scene, that blake fought with officers including putting one of them in a head lock, that

he was not unarmed,that he had a knife which responding officers first saw when they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. they're among claims jacob blake's attorneys disputed. >> he was supposing absolutely no imminent threat to these officers. apparently what their position is is if there's a knife in the vicinity they're free to use deadly force. >> reporter: much of what happened played out on video the country has now seen. in a shocking admission five days later, the kenosha county sheriff -- >> i did not see the video. >> reporter: and the police chief saying they might have known about a sexual assault warrant. >> i believe that's why they were there. >> reporter: it's why he would have woken up shackled to his hospital bed, a move the family called cruel. >> he's paralyzed from the waist down. why do they have to enclose steel on my son's ankle? he can't get up.

he couldn't get up if he wanted to. >> reporter: the warrant has been vacated and the shackles removed a blake family attorney said thursday. the shooting led to days of protests in kenosha. tuesday night two were killed and one wounded on the back end of administrations. kyle rittenhouse, 17 years old, is in custody for the shootings. after allegedly shooting and killing the first person, rosenbaum, another defendant approaches and turns and runs from the scene. as the defendant is running away, he can be heard saying on the phone, i just killed somebody, according to the criminal complaint. rittenhouse faces six charges including first degree intentional homicide, first degree reckless homicide, and possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18. he was not arrested at the scene even as he walked away with an assault rifle around his neck. >> it might have been abnormal two weeks ago.

it's no longer abnormal. >> he got to go home. my son got icu and paralyzed from the waist down. >> rittenhouse remains in custody. as for the officer who shot blake, that investigation continues. >> reporter: now, despite what's come out from the police association and blake's attorney -- the official investigative body is the wisconsin department of justice. all we've heard from them is they say blake admitted to having a knife and a knife was recovered from the floorboard. >> thank you very much. i want to go to raysean white, the man who recorded the video of the shooting of jacob blake. he's joining me now again on the phone. i really appreciate your time and your perspective here is so crucial because you were there. and now the police association, police officers' association -- i'm sorry -- they're saying

something different. they're saying, quote, blake actively resisted the officers, and then they say blake, quote, forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one in a head lock. did you see any of that? >> no, i did not see any of that. >> so, i just want to go through this again because these are the details they're giving. then, raysean, they say blake was armed with awe knife and police issued repeated commands for blake to drop the knife. he did not comply. i know last time we spoke, you did hear them yelling about a knife? did you ever see the knife? what exactly did you hear? >> i didn't see any knife in jacob's hand, but i heard them say, drop the knife, twice, but that was it. i heard they found a knife under the floor mat. now they're saying he had a knife on him. did he have two knives? that's my question? >> right, right. i guess they're saying open the driver's door and leaned in -- i don't know what they're trying

to imply there as to whether did he put it there or were there two. they then say, raysean, that officers tried to taze blake and they tried to do that twice. so, before the shooting, they tried to taze him twice and it didn't have any impact. at this point you're watching here as i know you saw him come around the car. that's all on video. did you see any of happen with the taser? >> i've seen the female officer taze blake once and the officer that shot him was punching him in his ribs. >> you saw one taser, and the officer who ended up shooting him had was punching him in the ribs. >> yeah, blake was in the middle of the two male officers and they both got him in a head lock. the officer that shot him was punching him in the ribs, the other officer was pulling his arms. >> you never saw him put one of the officers put him in a head

lock. >> no. >> you're telling me what you saw and what you filmed. did you witness the entire encounter? is it possible that any of these things happened before, you know, you actually saw what was happening and started watching? >> i mean, it's possible. when i came to my window, they were already wrestling jacob. he wasn't resisting. he wasn't saying get off me, pushing them, he was just letting them wrestle him as he was trying to keep his balance walking to the car. when he got up from the other side of the car, he finally walked to the car. the officer was behind him and shot him. jacob did not pose any threat to those officers. he didn't swing at them. he didn't push them. he didn't do none of that. >> is there anything else, raysean, thinking about what you saw, what you filmed, what they're now saying that you want us to know? >> i just want to say, jacob was reaching in his car. he got shot in the back. don't you think jacob would have

fell on his stomach in the seat instead of ending up in the sitting position. that makes sense to me. i don't think he was reaching for anything. if he was, he would have got shot and fell on his stomach. i think he had enough strength to move in the car. you know what i'm saying? >> i understand. i do understand what you're saying. raysean, thank you, again for coming on. >> no problem. >> i appreciate it. now you heard raysean, who filmed that video we've all seen, going through what we saw comparing it to what the police association is alleging, their very different version of events. i want to go to anthony davis, president of the kenosha chapter of the naacp and laura coates. laura let me start off with the police officers' association, their version here is different than what raysean said he saw. now, look, he's open to he didn't see all of it, but from where he started filming and

what they're talking about, it seems he saw the part they're referring to. but it's a very different version. >> it is. and of course it does provide greater context to hear what the police officers are saying right now at the very beginning really of this investigation. and we know an independent body is doing it. but it doesn't actually answer the question that's on everyone's mind, erin, which is why did the officer use lethal force once his back was turned and he was approaching the vehicle. they're saying according to their report and statements that they saw him with a knife in his hand as he was walking away from officers towards the inside of the car. you can only use lethal force to repel a lethal force, not because you're tired and trying to get the person to comply, not because you would like the person to adhere to your orders, but because there's lethal force being used against you. if what they're saying is indeed true, they have not articulated the justification within that 19 second window that we have seen for why lethal force was used,

let alone 7 shots. >> anthony, they're trying to say that the police officers are saying there is more information here that the officer knew of a warrant against blake. they say he was trying to steal a vehicle. he was arm with a knife. they say they tased him twice and it didn't work. you've heard all this now anthony as well. do you believe the details that the officers are putting out? >> i can only tell you what i saw from the video. to me it looked like it lasted about 24 seconds. and i saw jacob get off the ground and start walking toward the front of the vehicle toward the driver's side. but it was hard to see because there was something in between -- when he got up off the ground, there was somebody or something in front of them. so, from what i saw on that video, it just made my stomach

turn at the end where i saw him getting shot. >> yes, i mean, laura, i think that is what this comes down to as you're both saying, right? they're now saying, look, look at this. blake had an outstanding warrant at the time he was shot for sexual assault, he unlawfully entered the home of a woman and sexually assaulted her, physically assaulted her many times over the last eight years. this is really important. do they have any bearing whatsoever on what happened to jacob blake by that car? >> no. >> to me -- >> i was violence prosecutor at this one point for the u.s. attorney's office here in washington, d.c., erin. and when cops are responding to domestic violence calls they are already going to be on edge. you have passion running. you have a lot of volatile situations there. they're aware it could turn ugly. however, the allegations against

mr. blake would go towards a case against jacob blake in that particular allegation. it does not go to the use of oforce by an officer deciding to use lethal force in the car. even if officers were aware of the warrant, even if they were aware of the allegations against mr. blake, they still have to justify the use of lethal force in their encounter, in their interaction. if they say it was jacob blake who used a head lock against them, even if he had a knife he was not using deadly force in that capacity. it reminds me of laquan mcdonald case. walked away from officers and one officer chose to use lethal force. why was this done here? the allegation against blake, difficult to actually ascertain and get all the facts. i don't know that case. i'm watching this one. and the officers cannot be excused for making their justification. >> anthony, i want to give you a final word because i know you

were jumping in there. >> yeah, first of all, i wanted to give my thoughts and prayers to the family of jacob blake. it's a difficult time for them and it's also a difficult time for the citizens of kenosha because we've been through quite a bit this past week. and we're hoping and praying that somehow there's a resolution that takes place. but all we want for jacob blake is for him to heal and this community to heal. this week has been hurtful to all of us, but we have to come together as a community. we have to come together as one. no matter what the circumstances may be. the number one thing i always think about, we have to be treated fairly in all that we do. justice is what we're asking for. thank you. >> all right. well, i appreciate your words and your time.

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or talk to an advisor. breaking news, a kenosha wisconsin police chief defending how kyle rittenhouse was able to walk away from the scene. >> the officers were walking towards the shots fired complaint, not a shooting or person down complaint. we have had many of those over the course of the event. they're responding to that, they see somebody walking towards them with his hands up. that too isn't out of the ordinary, given all the events that have been going on. >> "outfront" now alex lori, he was at the protests, witnessed one of the shootings allegedly by rittenhouse. let me show you the video we've obtained. this appears to show gauge

grosskreutz. you were there when grosskreutz was shot in the arm. you took photos. they're very graphic. i want people to understand what happened here. he was shot at the protests. so, what did you see? was it a gun as far as you saw that he was holding? >> let me walk you through the series of events, these demonstrations in kenosha were taking place in front of the courthouse. they would leave in the direction opposite the courthouse. and after that happened, i was taking photos of a large group of open carry individuals at a

gas station, predom innocently white males, prominently men, also in military-style clothing. i was taking photos of them when i heard several shots, maybe two blocks away approximately. and i take off in the direction of the shots. shortly thereafter, i saw an individual in a green shirt with an ar-style rifle running down the street. i believe this was the individual who was later identified as kyle rittenhouse. he's running down the street. a lot of people are shouting things to the effect of, there goes the shooter, he was the shooter, stuff like that. and at some point i think all these events probably took place in the span of a minute, he trips or falls and he's on the ground. he is very quickly approached by several individuals. i'm not sure whether their intent was to help him up or to harm him. i think probably it was out of anger, but i don't know.

amongst these individuals, there's a man in a black shirt. he gets very, very close to the man in the green shirt with the long gun, and i hear another shot very close coming from this direction. after that shot occurred, the man in the green shirt runs off and the man in the black shirt runs towards me. and this man was later identified, i think, as gaige -- i'm not sure of his last name -- and he had a very severe wound on his right arm and he was carrying what appeared to be a hand gun in his left arm. >> i'm really glad you laid all this out. i think it's really important. so, he was holding a gun. but -- and you're talking about that when the person who appears to be mr. rittenhouse sort of stumbles that when they converge upon and seem angry, maybe wish

him harm, maybe not. that's what you saw. and then one that rittenhouse ends up shooting did have a hand gun. when rittenhouse's lawyers say he was acting in self-defense, from what you actually saw, does that fit? >> i can only tell you what i saw. i can't offer a legal interpretation. >> so, you're saying what the visuals were and what their emotions seemed to be, their body language. one final question for you, alex, were a lot of people visibly armed? >> that's interesting. so, i typically work in iraq iraq and syria and now i'm wearing the same protective equipment shooting my own country, photographing my own country as i do over there. and the reason is there's a lot of weapons present. there's a lot of weapons present. in kenosha, i would say the first night i was there i saw maybe three open carrying individuals in military-style fatigues. the second night i was there, it would have been over 20, i would imagine. there was just shocking amount of weapons. everybody has -- i shouldn't say

everybody. many people have hand guns, long guns. and i -- the reason why i wear my protective equipment is because it's only a matter of time until something happens like this or worse. >> i really appreciate you're taking the time and laying this out really clearly. it's interesting to hear you lay out the facts as you have. i want to go to kimberly mott leaf, civil rights attorney representing gaige grosskreutz. i understand he was supposed to have a surgery today. how's he doing? s well, gaige is doing as well as one can under the circumstances. frankly i think he's a hero, and i think i ask the public to give him time to respect his privacy while he undergoes the medical recovery that he needs. >> so, what's your reaction to what we just heard from alex, what he was laying out about

what happened, you know, just sort of, you know, as mr. rittenhouse is running, sort of stumbles, and mr. grosskreutz converges on him with others. what's your reaction to what you just heard? >> i have an issue of the terminology mr. grosskreutz converged upon mr. rittenhouse. i think the question that should be asked is why didn't anyone arrest mr. rittenhouse that night. who picked him up? who dropped him off? why do we have video footage of law enforcement tossing mr. rittenhouse waters saying we appreciate you which is on video. >> yes, it is. >> who are the people who are in cahoots with mr. rittenhouse. he is not the only one who should be charged. there are videos of him saying, this is my job. who told him this is his job.

where are the criminal charges given to people in regards to that. on behalf of my client, we by no means believe that mr. rittenhouse acted alone. those are the questions we should be asking. >> these are important questions and i understand your points whchlt mr. rittenhouse says that it was in self-defense because your client had a gun and obviously the photojournalist is saying that he did indeed and the other arm have a hand gun, what's your response to that? is there any way that it could have been self-defense? >> i think my response to that is why did mr. rittenhouse come with an armed weapon wearing gloves on with the intent, i believe, to shoot people? and by him continually saying this, this is my job, this is my job, which is on video, who are the people that told him that this was his job? those are the questions that should be asked. why didn't he have gloves on? he didn't have a mask on. he was gloved that whole night.

he was walking around looking at different people with his weapon. and he was supposedly protecting property that had absolutely nothing to do with him. he didn't walk from kenosha back to illinois, so who drove him home after that. and ic think those are the questions we need to be focused on. whoever facilitated him doing this, whoever told him this was his job to do, they're still out there and they need to be arrested as well. >> all right. well, a appreciate your time and you're raising those questions with us tonight, kimberly. thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next, a u.s. senator who also coowns the wnba's dream call black lives matter dangerous and radical. breaking the law in new hampshire, trump supporters booing when asked to put on a mask. this is a new projection saying more than 67,000 lives -- people alive right now as i'm speaking -- they could be dead by december. but they could be saved if we

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criticizing the people who protested his speech last night after the rnc, claiming they are not protesters. >> protesters, your ass. i don't talk about my ass. they're not protesters. those are anarchists. they're agitators. >> this is for the fifth day in a row president trump staying silent on the police shooting of jacob blake, but trying to take public for quieting the protests in wisconsin. w success, there's been in problem, when asked to help, the federal government will act quickly and succeed. well, except for, you know, he tweeted that and people have died and the federal government,

by the way, was not asked and the president was not involve. that is not how this happened. listen to the governor of wis wu wisconsin lay it out. >> they asked if i wanted homeland security here, and i said no. the fact of the matter, the assignment of national guard troop social security troops is a state prerogative. >> officials say the reason behind the calmer scenes is because of a curfew. andrew yang, former candidate president, has spoken with the blake family and blake's father. what the president is saying just on the president's nature is that the federal government came in with the national guard. that is not true. that is not what happened. why is he saying that? >> well, i thought i had read, erin, that there were some department of homeland security

agents that wound up going there. so, i don't know the truth of who exactly was there and when they got there. but frankly i think that everyone should just be thankful that it is calming down. it's a tragedy all the way around what happened. so, while i'm not certain of the propriety of the statement that the president made, it appears that people wearing uniforms showed up and started to keep the peace, which really is all that matters to me. >> i understand your point, but the governor is saying they asked if they wanted homeland security and they said no and deployed their own national guard. i understand scott's point. there's something to that. we all want it to be peaceful. but it is, to the president, very important about getting credit for it. his base will believe what he says. and a lot of other people are going to get lost in the fog of confusion he creates. if he says i creatake credit fo things turning around, people may just take his word even if

it is not true. >> we saw over the last number of days, erin, at the rnc, that this is going to be a core pillar of his re-election campaign,that he represents law and order. like van said last night, you have to break into several components. number one is the issue of police brutality which we've seen multiple times. number two is protests in response to that. and three are vigilante actions like those taken by kyle rittenhouse. it's clear the president wants to apply law and order just to the second category of protests and not concerned about the first or third category. but this is going to be a core pillar of his campaign over the next several weeks. >> let me ask you about kyle rittenhouse, 17 years old, allegedly shot and killed two people, wounded a third. after that happened, after those things happened, we heard a lot from the rnc. this is what we heard.

>> in recent months, we've seen weak, spineless politicians seek control of our great american cities to violent models. >> a vote for biden and the democrats creates the risk that you will bring this lawlessness to your city, to your town, to your suburb. >> we must never allow mob rule. >> so, they didn't in any way mention the vigilante who killed people. and the person who's actually charged with the killing of two people has posted a picture of himself in the front row of a trump rally. we happen to know that. and yet we don't hear any condemnation from the president. does trump need to condemn rittenhouse also, whatever he's going to say about mobs, also needs to condemn somebody who killed two people? >> i think the president needs to condemn all violence. anybody who shows up in a town wlrks you're there as part of

this anarchist mob that's burning down cities or whether you show up z a 17-year-old from another city carrying another weapon, everybody needs to go home. if you're intent is to incite violence, go home. there are people who want to destroy things, who want to cause violence and chaos and wants to instigate further violence. the authorities need to handle that. i think the president's message should be to condemn at all and do not wade into a war zone, it is not your job to wade into a war zone. please stay home. >> to this point, that is not what they're saying, right? they're playing on this violent, mobs, mobs, democrat cities. >> even and the characterization of it as an anarchist mob frankly is parroting the talking points we've seen over the last number of days that are very, very damaging to our entire country where you're trying to

characterize folks who are protesting police brutality we're seeing in front of us and trying to broaden that to be somehow something other than what it actually represents. and if they'-- >> they're burning down weapons. >> they end up killing multiple people. i agree with you that the president needs to condemn all violence. but scott, we need deserve better than you just frankly building up these protests into something other than what they are. >> all right. >> well, we deserve better than you, who is someone i respect, by the way, telling people what they're seeing with their own eyes on their television screens isn't happening. buildings are burning, people are losing their businesses and jobs and property and people are scared. it is happening. and it was not mentioned by the democrats last week. there are bad actors on the streets who are infiltrated -- >> there are also protester who not bad actors. >> i agree.

>> everybody is out there. >> their mob is being hijacked. they are being -- i think the people who are working in good faith and there are many, and i support them. their cause is being hijacked by these bad actors in these cities. and the bad actors -- and i want to hear more out of all of our politicians is we can tell the difference between the two because there is a difference. but you cannot deny they exist. we see it every night. >> final word, andrew. >> i agree with you scott that we do need to make greater efforts to separate people who are legitimately protesting police brutality and systemic problems and folks who cross state lines with armed -- with automatic weapons and end up inflicting violence and murder on multiple people. i mean, those are very, very different things. and we need to focus. and it's folks that have actually failed to distinguish between those two activities that i think are the most serious offenders among us in

terms of leading this to become much more inflammatory and divisive and violent and potentially something that our country has never seen before and will have a hard time coming back from. >> thank you both. in a new statement tonight, the former first lady michelle obama says she's, quote, exhausted and frustrated by the shootings in kenosha. she continues, i've been thinking what our kids are see in our country, the lack of empathy, the division stoked in times of crisis, the age old racism so prominent this summer. sometimes they see it on the news. sometimes they see it from the white house rose garden. and sometimes they see it from the backseat of a car. that a very direct reference to jacob blake's children when he was shot in the back 7 times. "outfront" in montgomery, i know you decided to opt out this season to focus on social justice issues. renee, i'm talking to you on a night when the nba, the wnba

voir dire announced they're going to resume playing. the boycott was historic, but they're going to resume playing. i want to ask you about that in just a moment because it's very important. michelle obama just coming out tonight with those words talking about being exhausted and frustrated. do you relate to her words? >> absolutely. i'm the mom of a 13-year-old boy, so we've had the conversation. we've had to explain what's happening. so, you have to have the conversation, and then you have to explain why people are doing what they're doing. kids don't understand racism. they keep asking why. i don't have an answer to that. so, we all share that frustration in the black and brown community. and i think that's the most disheartening heart. that's what makes people tired because if it was a burden that he just had to carry on our own that affected only us, a lot of people could handle it better. but when it affects your children and other people you see that are helpless, that's when you feel you need to stand up. >> and that's what you've done. your team, the atlanta dream is

coowned by kelly loeffler. she's spoke out against black lives matter. this is her, i've led the charge against this dangerous organization from the beginning and i will keep fighting their radical agenda. this is her referring to black lives matter. and she does co-own your team. what's your reaction, renee? >> it's the same play. she's a politician that has an election coming up. that's why she wrote the letter originally. that's why she's writing a tweet. everybody is campaigning right now. we just saw the republican national convention. everyone is trying to appeal to their base and that's what she's trying to do, which is why a lot of players have stopped using her name in different things and saying the names of victims that have lost their life to police violence like breonna taylor. >> you're being very gracious about it. do you take it personally? i respect you're doing that. >> right. i don't. i don't take it personally because it's very clear what's happening. you know, she talked about not

wanting to get cancelled. she talked about different things that she's trying to incite people and get attention for certain things. i don't take it person because it's not personal. she's trying to win the campaign. >> nba players have agreed to resume the playoffs tomorrow. advised to continue playing and use this opportunity to figure out specifically what action they wanted as opposed to just staying out. the league committed today, renee, to establishing a social justice coalition, working with local elections officials to convert stadiums into polling places, and to create advertising spots during playoff games to raise voter awareness. those are specific things. is this enough though, or do you think they should have stayed off the court longer given that you have now committed this entire time to making a change? >> yeah, you know, even when i sat out, i made it very clear that me sitting out doesn't make

me frown upon the people that are opting in to the bubble at that time. i think we all feel differently. we all -- my way of addressing how it's done is me opting out so i could focus on that specifically. if you're an athlete, you know in the bubble you need to fe cuss on the plays, you need to focus on scouting, you need to focus on film. there's lieft different things. that's why the players are tired. they're trying to focus on their job requirements but they have a heavy burden that's a social issue going on. for me, i think that whatever the player decides to do, that's what the right move is because they didn't consult us when they decided not to play and you see it stopped the world. >> right. but i know obviously you have decided to opt out to focus on social justice issues, and, look, a big and significant decision for you. i wish you the very, very best in all of this. thank you so much, renee. >> thank you for having me. next, boos from the crowd at the trump rally tonight.

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breaking news, president trump rallying some 1,400 supporters in new hampshire. there is no social distancing, most not wearing masks. in fact, the crowd booed when they were asked to put on masks, which of course would just be basic, never mind the right thing to do. it would be in accordance with the law, instead of new hampshire. >> ladies and gentlemen, in accordance with new hampshire executive order 63, please wear your masks. >> ryan nobles is there. ryan, to be clear, those supporters not wearing masks are breaking the law. that is the law in new hampshire, where you are standing tonight. tell me what you're seeing. what's happening? >> reporter: yeah, you're right.

not only is it breaking the law, but it's in direct opposition to president trump's own cdc's recommendations about gatherings like these. here in the state of new hampshire there's an executive order that specifically states if you're in a group with more than 100 people, clearly more than 100 people here tonight, you have to be wearing a mask. it's not an option. the trump campaign did tell every person that walked and as you played, they often reminded folks to put the mask on. absent of that, if someone took off a mask, nobody told them they had to put it on. there were no law enforcement telling them to put them on and slowly, throughout the day, we saw more and more of the president supporters take their masks off. there are people wearing masks, more than i've seen at many trump rallies i covered but not the majority by any stretch of the imagination. most of the people here are not wearing masks and this is

important, erin, because this is just really the beginning of the campaign sprint for president trump. he has said in his campaign has said they are going on the road and holding more rallies like these and we have to imagine this scene will be repeated all over the country. >> thank you very much. "outfront" now, dr. sanjay gupta. what goes through your mind when you hear a crowd booing when told to put on a mask. 67,000 people who are, you know, lives could be saved, right? people alive now may be dead in december but they could be alive if people wore masks. >> well, i mean, what goes through my mind is that obviously, these people don't think this is real. they think many people still think it's a hoax. they're being inconvenienced by asking to do something like this, to wear a mask even though we're in the middle of a pandemic and numbers have gone up 1,000 fold since we started to do things to slow the spread in this country. i think that last thing you

mentioned is probably the most crucial. it's really striking to me, nearly 70,000 lives could be saved. you could wear a mask and be a chance to be part of a movement to save 70,000 lives and you say screw it, i'm still not going to do it. that's really discouraging. i got to believe that most people don't think that way. i got to believe that our native instincts are to do better than that but people booing when they're told to do something when they could save the people next to them from getting infected is discourage sglg we saw this last night at the white house and the president's rallies. this rally tonight with the booing being held on the same day as the march on washington. we saw similar crowds not socially distancing, but in terms of masks, many people there were wearing masks and that sense it was different. but attending either of these activities safe? is it enough to mask and not socially distance?

>> no, i mean, look, they both carry risk. there is no question about it. in the middle of a pandemic, having ing people together likt is something the virus likes very much. the virus likes to jump from person to person, host to host. it's not a good idea no matter what. objectively speaking, you make a good point. if you look at masks overall and say okay, wearing a mask makes a difference. how much of a difference does it really make? it's a fair question. there have been studies on this. it can decrease transmission by about six fold. that's significant if you think about it. also, there is something else. what counts as a close contact? if you're sitting next to somebody like on the lawn not six feet apart for a long duration of time, longer than ten or 15 minutes, that's close contact. if you're marching, perhaps that's better. objectively speaking, erin, you're right. any time you get people together in the middle of a pandemic, this is what history books write about. these create super spreader

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surrounding jerry falwell junior that resigned from his post growing more complicated. they had an affair speaking out. using falwell encouraging the affair. >> i feel like i was an ideal target for them. >> reporter: john in his own words describing to abc's with his year's long affair with becky falwell wife of jerry falwell injujunior after meetine pair. jerry falwell admitted his wife's relationship but denied watching. the former pool attendant pushing back. >> jerry is lying. that was his game plan from the beginning throw her under the bus, which i think speaks a lot about who he is, about his character. and he was aware from day one of our relationship and he did in fact, watch. >> gronda a former

self-described video game addict who was 20 years old at the time. >> we end upstairs and jerry was laying on the bed. he was drunk and giggling, and again, i'm weirded out and said hey, if at any point you get jealous or want me to back off, just let me know and i'll walk out. he said no, go for it. i don't want to go too much into the details but he enjoyed watching. >> reporter: cnn obtained audio of a 2018 call with the falwells. >> telling me every time i have sex for people. >> make you jealous. >> i'm not trying to do that. >> like a week ago for the whole freaking day. >> the falwells went into the real else state business with him say he's trying to blackmail them saying his only goal is to sell his steak in the company. >> all i want to do is cut ties. >> reporter: the saga forcing

jerry falwell to step down as an evangelical power house walking away with a 15. -- 10.5 s severance package. >> we must unite behind donald trump and mike pence. >> reporter: becky falwell praising the president last year. >> i really respected his genuineness, his heart is amazing and he's so personable. >> one more thing about his claim. he said soon after he met the falwells he joined them on a weekend get away to the florida keys mentioning a video game attention. he said in hindsight, he believes they spotted these weaknesses and made him a target. >> thank you very much. you'll hear more from john carlo later on tonight with anderson. thank you so much for joining

us. don't forget, you can watch "out front" any time. a krr"ac 360" begins right now. good evening. what feels like the ten years or so since the republican convention got underway on monday, we've seen so much for these times. a catego gore category 4 hurric, the cdc is changing guidelines on testing. we seen optimistic announcement as of yet unproven covid treatment and the fda firing in the wake of it. also, a new estimate more than a quarter million of americans will die of the virus and of course, a massive peaceful outpouring in washington today after this week's police shooting of a black man jacob blake who is now paralyzed from seven bullets in his back. 57 years to the day since dr. martin luther king junior spoke to the original march. tens of thousands gathered at the