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front" any time. a krr"ac 360" begins right now. good evening. what feels like the ten years or so since the republican convention got underway on monday, we've seen so much for these times. a catego gore category 4 hurric, the cdc is changing guidelines on testing. we seen optimistic announcement as of yet unproven covid treatment and the fda firing in the wake of it. also, a new estimate more than a quarter million of americans will die of the virus and of course, a massive peaceful outpouring in washington today after this week's police shooting of a black man jacob blake who is now paralyzed from seven bullets in his back. 57 years to the day since dr. martin luther king junior spoke to the original march. tens of thousands gathered at the steps.
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dr. king's son martin luther king, iii spoke so did george floyd's sister, breanonna taylos sister and jacob blake's sister. >> we will not be a door to oppression black america, i hold you accountable. you must stand. you must fight, but not with violence and chaos. >> last night just steps away accepting his party's nomination, president trump didn't mention jacob blake or the violence that followed, which left three protesters shot, two dead and a 17-year-old man with a rifle charged with murder. he didn't talk about the fight for equal justice or calls today and throughout to tamp down violence. instead, the president focused on chaos. >> there is violence and danger in the streets of many democrat-run cities throughout america. this problem could easily be fixed if they wanted to.
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just call. we're ready to go in. during their convention, joe wilden a biden and supporters remained completely silent about the rioters spreading mayhem, joe biden's campaign did not condemn it. >> keeping them honest, that is not true. joe biden himself made a video this week condemning violent protests as well as systemic racism that leads to it in his opinion, in addition to whatever you think of joe biden, the president glides over the fact biden isn't president, the president is and he's had three years to address systemic racism while preserving law and order. i'll talk to jacob blake's father about his reaction to the president's speech and today's march on washington. new developments in the shooting and how police representatives in kenosha are framing the
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encounter. sara sidner is there and joins us with breaking news. sara, we'll speak to jacob blake's father in a moment. i understand the kenosha police officer association has come forward with details on what they say led up to the shooting. we should say the officials who are leading the investigation have not really come forward to give details. this is the police union. what are they saying? >> yeah, it's interesting. we're not hearing this from the police chief. we're not hearing this from the police department. we're not hearing this from the department of justice, the state department of justice which is the investigating agency into the shooting. we're hearing this from the police union. this is what they are saying. they are accusing jacob blake of being armed with a knife. officers told him to drop it. he did not compile. they also say that he was there and they were called there because he had some keys and was attempting to steal the keys or the vehicle, that you-all saw when he turned his back to officers and the officers shot
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him seven times in the back. we are also seeing that they said they knew that he had a warrant out for him for third degree sexual assault at the time, that he was not compiling with them, that they tried their tasers on him more than once and the tasers failed to stop him and they said look, he was not breaking up a fight with someone that it was him that they were called to the scene for. those are all things that we're hearing from the police association and that the van you see there on the social media video he was trying to get into with his three children inside was not actually his vehicle. now, what is interesting here, again, is that this is not coming from sort of the official investigation. we're hearing this several days later after the shooting of jacob blake that left him paralyzed from the police association here and i want to mention the auuncle of jacob blake, his uncle saying look, if that was deadly force, if that was necessary, this man's back
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was turned to police. how is that something that is so making a police officer so afraid that they felt like they needed to use their weapons and shoot him seven times in the back? they are very concerned about what they're hearing from this association. >> the association is saying that there was -- that mr. blake was fighting with police and at one point had a police officer in a head lock and again, that tasers were used by didn't work or didn't stop him for whatever reason. has -- why haven't -- i know the kenosha police department handed this over to state investigators as per, you know, that's what the procedure is now, but why hasn't there been some sort of official explanation of all of these things even if it's not directly, you know, giving up details of an on going
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investigation? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, it is unusual. i mean, i know you've covered these cases and i've certainly covered my share of these cases and it's unusual not to have some of just the straight facts according to police and then you also have those facts that the people on the ground, the witnesses are giving, as well. this time we're hearing from the union but not hearing from any of the investigative agencies on any of these details handed out by the association and so it is very confusing. i want to mention there were warrants out for jacob blake's arrest, but we've learned just this afternoon from his local attorney here that indeed, those arrests he said, those warrants have been vacated and jacob blake was actually, he was actually cuffed to his bed. his leg was cuffed to the bed all of this time until this afternoon when officers took those cuffs away, removed those cuffs. the family has been very adamant
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this is adding insult to injury. this person is paralyzed and he is cuffed to the bed as if he's going to get up and walk away. police have been guarding his room. guarding the hospital where jacob blake is. they have left the hospital, as well. according to his local torn. those are some of the developments happening here. >> the warrant, repeat again what it was for. do we know much about the details of that and you said it was vacated. does that mean the charges have been dropped? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, vacated charges dropped according to his attorney. however, we know that this had something to do with a third degree sexual assault that was in the warrant itself. and, you know, the details of that because we do know who put that forward, but we are not naming the person because of course, this is a person who is an alleged victim of sexual assault, but indeed, these are very serious felony charges and his attorney saying those have been vacated and indeed, the
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police are no longer standing anywhere near the hospital or they do not have him cuffed anymore to the bed and again, here is of course, a man shot seven times in the back by police who is paralyzed. the family disgusted having to see him that way and having that shackle on his leg in the hospital. anderson? >> thank you. i spoke with jacob blake's father about an hour ago. jacob blake senior, what he wants to see happen in the wake of the shooting. mr. blake, first of all, how is your son doing? i understand he's no longer handcuffed. >> yeah, he's no longer handcuffed because they finally set a bail but they would not set a bail since he was admitted. >> when you saw that he -- >> that's all we were waiting for. >> when you saw that he had been handcuffed, just as a dad, what did you think?
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>> well, anderson, i had two trains of thought. i had one that was a serious train of thought that had nothing to do with the handcuffs because actually, him being paralyzed from the waste doistt there was in seno necessity. what would it do? catch him if he falls out of the bed. it was kind of funny. it was more funny than after act ten hours, i kind of got roasted because they would not set a bond. the minute they set a bond for my son, we paid the bond and they squashed the warrant. so what was the point in demoralizing my son? i couldn't -- you know, i couldn't get mad because they had custody.
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>> the police have not released much information about what may have occurred in the minutes before your son was shot seven times in the back at point-blank range. as you know, the kenosha professional police association, which is the police union, they said that late today said that jacob was armed with a knife, didn't compile, that he had fought with police and put an officer in a head lock. i know you aren't about to say much about this but were you aware of this? is that accurate? >> those people say bruus brusz sprouts taste good. >> i don't get the reference. >> i hate brussel prousprouts. >> you don't want to talk about
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this. are you concerned the police union is coming out and giving details when authorities aren't really themselves? >> hey, look, a union is like a bunch of dudes that pay dues so they can go somewhere and meet and get away from their wives. >> when you saw your son in the hospital, i understand that he asked you why he was shot. does he remember anything? >> no, he didn't ask me why he was shot. he said dad, why did they shoot me so many times? i said son, they weren't supposed to shoot you at all. >> does he often when people have experienced something like this, they have no memory of it. does he -- did he know why he was there? >> he knew why he was there. he knew. >> you spoke today -- >> he was in and out -- he was in and out of what i call -- it
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was almost like he was conscious and then not so much conscious and then conscious. he had a button and every time he was in pain, he would hit the button and then of course, he'd take a star ship enterprise to the vegas system. he was there, then, you know, they done so much to his intestei intestens and spine, he's in a tremendous amount of pain, anderson. so they're trying to handle so he can handle the pain. >> i heard you talk at the march on washington today and one of the things you said, you talked about two systems of justice in this country. can you talk a little bit -- >> two systems. >> can you talk a little more
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about that? >> you don't have to talk about it if you have your tv show. you saw the white boy at 17 that killed two people. shot a third, shot the man's arm off, the third man. walked past the police. they gave him some water and a high five. they gave my son seven bullets to the back for a so-called knife that nobody saw. who actually saw the knife in the car? >> you're saying the way that the 17-year-old was treated the night he allegedly shot -- >> he made it all the way back to antioch, illinois, anderson, another state. the police gave him some water and a high five. told him thank you. thank you for what? killing two people? blowing another man's arm off? thank you? hey, man, hey, if that's not an example of the two systems, then
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slap me and call me a woman. >> do you know -- i just want to go back to one thing you said. do you not believe the police union when they say that your son had a knife on him? >> you can say the police. you said the union. >> correct. >> if you want to believe in the union, you go find, what's his name? that they can't find? >> jimmy harvard. >> find jimmy harvard. union doesn't mean nothing to me. there is no unions in north carolina where i'm from. it's a right to work state. >> you -- >> unions are somebody making dues. >> you spoke with vice president biden, senator kamala harris. do you want to hear from president trump, as well? >> yeah, i spoke with president biden. it's too late.
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he should have called four days ago like president biden and vice president harris called me. four days ago. it's too late now. my son has been in the hospital two weeks. i'm supposed to beg for this dude to call me? nah. i'm cool. my family is cool. >> what do you want to see from authorities now? >> we going to find justice somewhere out there over the rainbow in a little house that dorothy flew in the tornado. we going to be in that little house. we going to find justice out there somewhere. >> do you believe there is justice? >> oh, yeah. there is better health care out there. there is justice. it's just that we got to try to squeeze into that white people justice lane. i got my turn signal on now.
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so i'm trying to merge into y'all's lane and then maybe i might find some justice. >> mr. blake, i'm so sorry for all you're going through and i appreciate your willingness to speak tonight after the day that you've had and frankly, the last several days you had. >> thank you so much, anderson. we have more breaking news. the president's niece mary trump joins us to talk about excerpts of tapes she made, conversations with her aunt, the president's sister and what she says about the president and the hotel pool attendant at the center of the jerry falwell junior controversy. we'll be right back. new advil dual action with acetaminophen fights pain in two ways. advil targets pain at the source... ...while acetaminophen blocks pain signals.
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new recordings tonight of the president's older sister mary ann trump berry and psychologist and best selling author of "too much and never enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man." mary trump joins me now. thanks so much for being with us, first of all. before we go further, i want to play a portion of some of these recordings. this is judge berry talking about the president and his approach to money and his
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church. >> and then you get donald who won't do anything for anybody unless it's going to inure to his -- i mean, he won't do publ publicly, i mean, anything he did, he says look what i've done. aren't i wonderful? and he's as tight as a duck's ass like dad was. the only time donald went to church that i know of, you know, at least when dad wasn't bringing us sunday was over the last several years when the cameras were at the church. >> exactly. >> it's so interesting because when you think back to the campaign before the president
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won, so much of what he was described as being was incredibly giving in terms of charities and donations and people were throwing around dollar figures of all the money he gave. obviously, there has been a lot of reporting since then on how his foundation actually worked and he would be giving money into the foundation and then he would just sort of basically use that money to give money. it's interesting to hear his sister say just that, that he basically doesn't give anything unless it somehow benefitted him. >> yeah, and that's a long standing pattern. you know, it's sort of amazing that anybody took the claims that he was charitable seriously or that he was particularly a person of faith and, you know, for the latter, that's not necessarily important or
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relevant except to the extent that he pretends otherwise and uses that to convince other people to support him. >> well, i mean, on the faith issue, it's very interesting because during the campaign, you know, there was the event where he was asked about asking for forgiveness to god and he said it's not something he feels the need to do because there is nothing really to ask f forgiveness about. the idea to be humble and ask for forgiveness, there were a many of evangelicals that thought that this has done him in because this is obviously, core tenant of our faith and yet, it didn't do him in at all and even when he was asked about his favorite bible passage and couldn't name one, you know, and said he didn't want to name one because there were so many, you
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know, it's pretty clear to anybody who has eyes that this president has just been pretending to be a church going person when he held up the bible, you know, and it's interesting because now he's accusing vice president biden saying biden wants to harm god. >> yeah, and that, you know, one of his sure j-- surrogates that he is if anyone makes that assessment. i think there are a few things going on. one is that donald had subpoena port of certain white evangelical leaders and people listened to their leaders, you know. they take on faith, if you will. their assessments of candidates and act accordingly. i think also, some voters are
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single issue voters and the character of the person concerned is irrelevant as long as the issue most important to them and i imagine in this case it would be women's rights to choose or their desire for women not to have the right to choose be something their candidate supports. also, there is a strain white evangelical christianity that strayed very, very far from the bible's original teachings and that's something that should concern us especially since we seem to be in an era in this country where the separation between church and state is desint grad decent grating. >> you secretly recorded her saying these things. your aunt didn't know she was being taped. did you face any backlash from her or the family since you've released some of these? >> no, i haven't heard from
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anybody. >> why did you decide to record your aunt? >> originally, it was for personal reasons. i had no intention of ever releasing them publicly. that was not the purpose of them at all. it was essentially for my protection. so it wasn't until extremely recently that i made the decision to make the tapes, the recordings public. >> when you say for your protection, what do you mean? >> well, you know, in conversations with her, certain discrepancies in litigations we had that i found disturbing. i wanted to have that on record in case i ever needed to. because i understand how this family operates and you need to bring receipts. >> did you watch your uncle's speech last night? >> i had to, actually, because i
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needed to comment on it so unfortunately, yes, i watched them. >> what did you make of it? >> you know, it's more of the same. nothing about it surprised me other than the delivery or content of it. it was a combination of out right fabrications, delusional constructs and a projection. >> it's often said, you know, tony schwartz who wrote the art of the deal said the things that the president tweets about, the criticisms he uses to attack other people are actually what he often thinks about himself deep down inside. you're a psychologist, i believe, by training. does that ring true to you? >> yeah, it's very common
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mechanism that donald employs. much of the time he's not doing it consciously, but it is remarkably consistent and frequent. >> do you think he knowingly lies? i mean, a lie is something that is not true and you have the knowledge that it's not true. he's certainly been told the things, some of the things he's saying are not true. many of the things he says are not true and yet, he continues to say it. do you think he just doesn't believe it or doesn't care? >> oh, interesting way of putting it. i think sometimes he believes it and doesn't care. sometimes he doesn't believe it and then convinces himself it's true almost immediately. it's pretty fascinating to watch. you know, i think it's also fairly easy to know when he's lying or when -- sorry, when he knows he's lying. i saw recently a clip of him
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talking about the alleged illegitima illegitima illegitimate of the upcoming election where nobody cast a vote, i could tell he knew he was making it up as he went along because of the smirk on his face. when he's talking about himself and his fiction accomplishments, i think he knows he's skirting the truth but then ultimately, begins to believe that what he's saying is actually true. >> we're going to have more. we'll take a quick break. we reached out to the white house for a comment and the president said every day it's something else. who cares? we'll take a break. when we return, more of new tapes from mary trump and eric and ivanka trump. we'll be right back. ine. it's ubrelvy. for anytime, anywhere migraine strikes without worrying
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we're talking tonight with mary trump about her conversations with her aunt, and the height of the family separation at the height of the president's family separation policy and that of eric trump's place in the trump pecking family order. here it is. >> when that damn ivanka puts this picture of the madonna and child on instagram when the big news of the day was out -- >> the children are being ripped
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from their families. >> i never heard of samantha before. meanwhile, eric is the moron publicly. icvanka gives a [ bleep ]. >> yeah, she's a mini donald. >> yet, he's beside her and she's always been his favorite. >> i mean, it's -- the whole thing is just sad. can you give us more context of what your aunt was talking about? sort of this is obviously much discussed among people. it certainly seems to be discussed among the pham -- family. >> which? >> sorry, it's interesting to me that your aunt seems to have very clearly, a very clear idea of what the president views the
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rest of his family as being like. >> oh, i understand. well, like many bad parents, donald is not subtle about which of his children he favors. so that's part of it, and that's something that's been part of the narrative in the family since they were kids. >> obviously, all of the president's or the president's adult children, they all spoke at the republican convention. they are taking a very active political role which it's not traditionally people don't really cover the children of people who are in the white house when they are underaged but these -- this is different obviously because icon va truva has a role in the white house and donald trump junior is on the campaign trail and eric trump is running the organization or involved in it.
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you said his relationship with his kids is very transactional and i mean, is that the lens he views everything through? >> yeah, he got that from my grandfather who viewed life and business and his family as a zero sum game. there could only be one winner. everyone else loses. in order to be the winner which donald was absolutely determined to be, you need to figure out how to maximize your advantage in any relationship you have. >> it's interesting. you know, i think it was rick wilson has a book called -- i might be butchering the title but it's everything trump touches dies, and it's an interesting idea to me that everybody in his orbit, it seems harms themself by in one way or
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another, that nobody survives close contact for long without being diminished whether it's their reputation, their livelihood, whatever it may be and i'm wondering is that something that rest naonates wi you? do you think that's true? >> yeah, i think we've seen example after example of that. my cousins are no exception to that. the difference is they know better than most people, and i think jared kushner is also included in this. they know better than anybody how to manipulate donald in order to stay in his good graces. so they have -- yeah, that's why they are still around. on the other hand, however, what have they sacrificed to do that? these are not independent people. they have never work eved outsi of the family business.
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their money is family money. and they in this sense subsued them shelvelf shelves to their agenda. >> i've never met somebody who is that -- at the economic level the president allegedly is who is so easy to sort of pacify. so easy to appeal to. it's so transparent, you know, all you need to do is say one or two nice things about his poll numbers or the size of his crowds and he -- you can see it at times washing over him, you know, and it seems like then he sort of views -- you've said nice things about him and therefore that is sort of the lens through which he views everything. >> yeah, this might sound odd
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but that's actually one of the things that's most dangerous about him. and that's down to my grandfather, you know. my grandfather through various mechanisms made donald imminently useful to smarter, more powerful men. and you're right, it's extraordinary easy to manipulate him with a few choice words and in the process get him to do what you want him to do without his actually even knowing it. >> he gives himself away all the time on this evening when he was asked recently about qanon, this bizarre conspiracy theory based on antis-semitic tropes. the first thing he said is i hear they say very nice things about me and he has used that line all the time and it's so telling because that truly is the most important thing to him
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and it's the lens through which he views it. this group says nice things about me, therefore there is no reason for me to view them critically. >> precisely. you know, he did that with david duke. i mean, although, first he claimed not to know what david duke was but then he was fine with him because david duke supported him and that's literally all he -- all that matters to him. there has to be some currency involved that benefits him whether it's prize or some financial benefit. >> i just want to play another recording of your aunt mary ann berry trump about dreamers. let's play this. >> look what he did with the dreamers. >> oh, god. >> he denies it. he would deny he changed his wind. >> of course he would. just like with the kids who are now in de facto concentration
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camps down in texas, he's blaming the democrats for it. it's the democrat's horrible policy which significauggests h it's a bad thing yet he's allowing it -- >> it is mind boggling but that's all about his base. all he wants to do is appeal to his base. he has no principles. none. none. and his base, i mean, my god, if you were a religious person, you would want to help people, not do this. >> it's always interesting that everything was donald trump junior at the convention before the election the last time called him i think the people's billionaire. he somehow is really in touch with the working man and has been throughout his life. it seems to me his life is about running as far away from queens
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where his father lived as possible, coming to manhattan as quickly as possible and surrounding yourself with gold and shiny things. it's -- i've never understood that people actually seem to believe that when you look at the actual ark of his life. >> it is astonishing. you know, i think donald would be totally incapable of negotiating the world if he were somehow dropped into it. first of all, and secondly, presenting him as man of the people is a rather remarkable bit of claiming he's a man of faith, who cares about other people's faith or claiming he's a successful real estate developer and entrepreneur. none of those things about him is true, and yet, that is how he continues to be sold just as he continues to be sold and i think
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that's a large part of what this convention was about as an empathetic family man. it's all lies honestly. >> mary trump, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. just ahead, jerry falwell junior and his wife becky and their alleged relationship with a former pool attendant, part one of my interview with john carlo when we return. hey, can i... hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!!
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just before we went on air tonight, i spoke with a man at the center of a scandal involving jim carlo granado a pool attendant when he met jerry falwell junior and his wife beck did. some of their relationship remains in dispute but both sides degree granado had a relationship with becky falwell. granado said jerry falwell would watch them. both falwells deny that. our discussion involved both sets of allegation as well as how he first met the falwells. let's start at how you came to meet them. >> right. >> you met them at a hotel. what happened? >> yeah, fountain blue hotel work shift. i noticed this woman behind me staring at me. she is staring at me. she's flirting back and forth,
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and she invites me back to her hotel. she invites me back to her hotel, but before she invites me back to the hotel, she's like by the way, my husband, he likes to watch. he likes to watch and immediately, i kind of -- i pulled back and i thought it was a little bit odd. i don't like to shame anyone for anything but i did find it odd at the moment and she's like don't worry, he is not going to intervene. he's just going to watch in the corner of the room. he's going to watch in the corner of the room. i'm like okay, i'm a single 20-year-old guy. why not? >> do you know who they were? >> i had no idea who they were. at the end of my work shift, they called me through a blocked number and then they told me to meet them at another hotel. it was right by the fountain blue. i meet them at this hotel, i walk into the lobby, and becky
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is sitting there. she's nervous. i'm nervous. you know, she offers me whisky to calm down, to relax and then shortly after, we go up to the room. >> you're 20 and then shortly after we go to the room. >> you're 20 years old by the way. >> i'm 20 years old, the age of a liberty university student. go up, jerry's laying down, there's two beds, he's laying down in one of the beds. he's noticeably drunk and giggling. and again, i'm a little bit worried, right? i'm like, what am i getting myself into? at any point if you get jealous or upset, let me know, and i'll walk out of here, no problem. >> you said that to jerry fall well? >> no, just go for it, he encouraged me, just go for it. >> did you get the sense that they had done this before? >> did it seem new to either of
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them? >> in hindsight, i can see how they're methodical in targeting. it's clear now, after years have gone by, they told me i was perfect, i was perfect. and i was exactly what they were looking for is what they would tell me. perfect why? >> well, to give context, when i was in high school, i suffered with video game addiction, i was a bit timid, nervous, and when i was working at the fountain blue i started to came out of michelle. >> did jerry fallwell participate? >> he would watch and he enjoyed watching me and becky have sex.
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>> he was sexually involved but not actually participating with you? >> right, he would sit in the corner and -- he was enjoying watching us. >> jerry fallwell has accused you of lying. while you did have an affair with his wife, he was not involved in anyway? >> that's right. that was the game plan from the beginning. it's to throw his wife under the bus. i think that tells you exactly who they are. he's willing to throw his wife under the bus and then call me the predator. the 20-year-old. again, age of a liberty university student is the one that targeted them and preyed on them. this power couple who has all the money in the world. it's ridiculous and disgusting. >> how soon did you see them again? >> that encounter ended, the next day, they called me through a blocked number again.
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they said, hey, come back. all right, i went back, that was the second day. and then after that, then we exchanged numbers and they told me, hey, we like to help young people. and we encourage you to finish school. at the time i was working full time and going to school part time, working my way through college. he encouraged me to finish school, that he emphasized the importance of it, and again, he said that he helps a lot of people, we should stay in contact. shortly after becki is constantly pursuing me. she's the one that was really pursuing, sending me songs. >> what do you mean, songs she liked? yeah, sorngs that mean a lot to her. she would call it our song. >> how often did you end up seeing them over the course of time? because you shared with us photos of you with the fallwells, including their kis.z
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i know you said you went on vacations with them from time to time. do you think it unusual, you were introduced to the family. >> i think that's how -- i think that's how they groom you when you're young. they groom you, they bring you into their family, they make you feel special. they make you feel smart, part of this family, and that's what makes it so difficult to say the truth, you feel like you're going to betray this family. so that's their strategy. they make you feel special, befriend your family. they disarm people with their charm. >> you provided us with a recording of a phone call, you say is between you and the fallwells in 2018. i want to play this. >> his new thing is telling me, every time he hooks up with
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people. like i don't have feelings or something. >> you're not trying to make her jealous? >> no, i'm not trying to do that. >> i hooked up with this girl, and then i got her neighbor. i was slightly depressed. >> come on. >> maybe the more you tell me, the more i'll get used to it. >> you don't care about me any more, becki. >> yeah, really? yeah, obviously. >> i just tell you because you're my best friend. >> i'm trying to -- i'm changing a lot, i moved on, i matured. i'm not as crazy as i used to
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be, i don't think. >> no, you're perfect, you -- >> yeah. keep that up. >> yeah. this is just new, i don't know, the whole -- even before when you weren't dating somebody, just kind of threw me for a loop. >> how did they view this, do you think? what was your sense from them? do you think they really cared about you? so i fell like i was used over the years, i felt trapped in this relationship, because i'm contractually tethered to this llc, and over the years they would make me feel guilty if i ever tried to pull away from becki, i was conditioned to feel guilty. every time i would pull away from becki or the business, i would get a phone call from
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becki crying or jerry saying, hey, a certain someone misses you, you should reach out to her. it was this pattern year after year after year. i felt like i -- i had an obligation to make her happy, to text her, even though i didn't want to. before i realized that i really wanted to pull away. i was already trapped in this business. >> we'll talk more about that business and the relationship ahead. also, a fact check about what the president said at his new hampshire rally tonight. you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator. voila! maybe a couple throw pillows would help. get a strategy gut check from our trade desk. ♪
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