>> among their claims, they say that officers knew about jacob blake before they got to the scene. they say jacob blake fought with officers and put the officer in a head lock. they say that jacob blake was not unarmed. he had a knife which officers

were not aware of until he was on the passenger side of the vehicle. many of the narrative comes out are inaccurate. however, they acclaimed that their account of what happened. >> have blake's attorney responded? >> yes, blake's attorney responded and basically said and what came out of the association is over blown. for starter he says he posed no threat. body association logic that if there is a knife anywhere in the vicinity they're using that to apply deadly force. we did hear from an eye witness who says he did hear the officer say drop the night and he also says he did not see the knife. while we are hearing things coming out from the attorney and

police association, it is important to keep in mind the wisconsin police department of justice is the leading body. the only thing they said is jacob blake admitted to have a knife at some point and a knife was recovered from the floor board. >> the people have not had any details that would obviously be important and people want to know. that's why the union has said something is getting so much attention. the union is saying that he was holding the knife as he walked around to the vehicle because police previously said a knife was found on the driver's side of the vehicle. so those two things are not mutually exclusive if exain face was holding the knife. we have not heard officially from investigators. i know the last hour we said the

charges against blake, the charges that were behind and the reasons behind the warrant on him were dropped. they're pending the warrant. correct me if i am wrong, the family paid a bond so the warrant that was dropped and the charges wasvacated. the charges are still in place, correct? >> that's right, he's no longer shackled to his bed. that's because as you mentioned the open warrant for him has been vacated. his attorney do say charges are still pending for him and when you go back to why again as you touched on why he was cuffed or shackled in the first place t kenosha sheriff's office says it was standard procedures for anyone with warrants like his that's connected to sexually assault.

the family and his attorney viewed it as especially cruel given the fact that he's paralyze a paralyzed and could not go anywhere. >> appreciate it. let's get a perspective from dr. west. good to see you tonight. 57 years ago, the speech from martin luther king, today we saw a march on washington. what do you make of where we are in history given of what we have seen several days. >> it has been one hell of a week though. i want to begin by saying my condolences out to brother jacob, i am praying for him and his family, also the family of

his and two other brothers that was shot down in cold blood. this was a pivotal moment. it was 57 years ago that dr. martin luther king told us he had a dream. it depends on how we respond to brother martin, the worse of america shot him down like a dog was martin luther king where you say the last hope for america. we are at the most pivotal moment in the history of this experiment called the usa. >> you really think that? >> founded on african-american and women could not vote, we are at that crucial moment, the civil war. why would i make such a strong claim? one is we witnessed this week

the crystallizing of a distinctive form, you live in lies and you tend to get people addicted to lies and create a world of make believe and trot out a gangster. the idea of donald trump defending law enforcement is like jesse james being head of the bank protection for gates. he's been running from the law for most of his career. he does not care about the law. he breaks the law and he lets it go. he has no regards. it is part of the spiritual decay and the moral emptiness in our society. he's not alone. we are witnessing with the

pandemic and climatic changes from the two issues that's hardly talked about, a possible nuclear catastrophe. military over reach corruption of elites and the gullibility of an impotent who is gullible to what? this is something that's not simply focused on the republican party but you have collaborators and facilitators in that party who are willing to accommodate themselves to neo fascism. that's precisely how elites too

often behave. it is not a matter of skin pigmentation. it is a human they think. -- it is a human thing. >> it is remarkable to see the white house with a giant sign with the president's name on it. you are talking about what american fascism would look like. the republican party has been completely changed into the party of trump. it is the leaders of the republican party, mitch mcconnell relegated and normally they would get a primetime sp k speaking slot. they relegated to a well-produced video off to the side. the show was what was happening in the white house that had been taken over by the trump family >> that's exactly right. >> keep in mind are the in viz soci

invisible sources behind the scene. wall street is breaking record of the 1% doing better than ever. 40% of us in i poverty. that's what martin luther king was talking about. it was not america should go to hell but america ought to go to hell. with materialism and with people think to be human is to be stimulated and can't wait to be successful with material toys rather than learn how to care and nurture especially the least of these but he also added another one which is poverty and hardly -- both parties don't want to talk about militariusm.

90% of his support of the new deal. you got a neo-liberal democratic party. i am going to support biden. it is going to be difficult but praying for me. neo-fascism is a possibility of a democracy. 25% of republicans say they want to shutdown cnn, new york times and washington post and msnbc. this is unprecedented, brother. >> i am a defender of fox, they got the right to be wrong in their own way. rights and liberties are precious. it takes a long time to

institutionallize them and appear over night. who really thinks that the elections are going to be over on tuesday, the first week in november? we got claims of the legitimacy of the elections and we got claims of the legitimacy of the very process itself for what? power. power. saying anything or do anything. we have the collaborators and wall street too often and big military and you got folks who are desperate and the white supremacists that sits at the center. i am going to thank my brothers and sisters in the sports world especially lebron james. everything is at stake at this point, my brother. >> and we only have a short time left. i mean things are so divisivdiv is there is a way to step

back -- right now people see things through their own lens and other eyeing each other, other than patriotic or other than citizen or a human being. nothing good can come out of that. >> i think martin luther king jr. and so many others have talking us is going to be by example. m moby dick, how does it end? it ends with ismael on a wrath which is as coffin and witnessing those who want to liver in the sand and avoid it, create disneyland like we saw the other day.

then there is william faulkner, the wonderful book that came out. he said "what was the case"? and then the other word "again," how does he deal with that? when the w here we go again. here comes jacob again and breoana over and over again. we know what happens to quentin, he jumps off the bridge at the charles river. we don't have to jump off that bridge. >> let's not. >> we have to come to terms of

reality. >> thank you, good to talk to you. >> next a senior member of the administration, what he thinks of last night and concerned of the second term for the president. and the pandemic, the cdc's director felt he needs to reconsider. dr. sanjay gupta is also joining us ahead. welcome, today's discussion will be around sliced meat. moms want healthy... and affordable. land o' frost premium!!! no added hormones either. it's the only protein i've really melted with. land o' frost premium. fresh look. same great taste.

i kind of watched in amazement running through two dozen falsehoods in about two-minutw two minutes. >> this president is a serial liar. i counted more than 20 falsehoods, i want to go through a whole bunch of them. trump says biden is talking about taking down the border wall. biden rejected that idea. he'll stop the construction.

trump said i have done more for the african-american community than any presidents since abrah abraham lincoln. that's ludicrous. he didn't mentioned as usual that gain followed a record of 22 million jobs loss over the last two months and drug prices increased during his presidency and he opened the jerusalem, he claimed nato members spending increased for the first time in about 20 years. spending rose in 2015 and 2016 before he took office. he said he'll always and republicans will always protect people with preexisting conditions, that pledge has been broken. they repeatedly tried to weaken those protection and obamacare, he claims he banned travels from

china. he boasted about the covid testing system and about his general response, look, experts at the university said the u.s. was fatality slow. he ended what he called a nafta nightmare and he signed a new agreement, the usmca, that maintains most of nafta and boasted about building 300 miles of border wall. most of that is replacing barrier. as of august 7th, just five miles have been built were non existed before. he suggested that joe biden confiscate guns, that's baseless. he said democrats want to defund the police, biden has rejected that. he said quote, "very good information that china wants to win because biden is soft on china." china wants trump to win because they see trump as unpredictable.

he denounced biden for voting for the iraq war. what trump does not mention that he supported bad investigation. -- bad invasion. it was uttered in every primetime event. trump denounced so-called culture. donald trump tried to get dozens of people fired or boycotted or literally last week, good year, he imposed a order of ten year in prison, his order just asked the government to fully enforced. he said biden's plan would eliminate america's border, no, it is wrong. >> oh, that's it? >> there is more. >> wow. >> how much time do you have, anderson? >> how much time, indeed?

more perspective on what the president said last night and where his campaign could take our country. miles taylor, the former chief of staff, he has endorsed joe biden, he wants to see the president defeated. the president often asks if he's a by stander and not the president of the united states and in his speech last night l illustrated that. this is his united states and he keeps on talking about we will have law and order when we are reelected. he's the president now and this is his country he's been overseeing three years. >> thank you for having me anderson. the president's case seemed to be, i am donald trump and i can sav save you from donald trump's america. it was surreal.

what's even more sewurreal thate are so numbed to it that it is becoming normalized. we won't be talking about this on monday. i want to say right out of the gate of course we are in crazy town, everybody knows it. i can hardly think of people, probably less than two hands, i can name the advisors close to the president that are true bleach believers in him that they don't see it. everybody else sees it and people that left the cabinet sees it. everyone sees it. this is why i am out here saying this. i don't have a whole lotto gain. i have a lot to lose from this. genuinely there is a weight off my shoulders and getting to say that the people around the president thinks he is unfit for the job. there he was last night on federal property realtime crime

and progress and we are going to shrug it off by next week. america got to wake up. we got to realize we need to shake it off and we can only do that with new leadership. >> it is interesting and this is in the grand scale of things. even when it was announced he's considering using the white house for the speech he's going to make, folks in congress -- oh no, that's not going to happen and of course it did happen and they remained silent. you say all these people around the president have doubts and know he's not up to it. what is -- i don't want to make you be a mind reader but what keeps people there, well, if i leave my job is important that i am a moderating influence or i am responsible set of eyes on things and that's why it is important for me to stay or they're in the corner of power

and that's a good place to be. >> i will be very blunt with you. i think that the ladder explanation that you gave is what's true for most people that are still in the administration. there was a point in which in years one and two, and three where the majority people were there were there for the right reason of the first thought you indicated. the thought that we have been seeing such crazy things and if we left, we would be replaced by sycophants who would do whatever the president wanted. the president makes a lot of money and gets a lot of attention off of saying there is as deep state. i never saw an instance where people in the bureaucracy d disobey the president. mr. president, what you want to do is unethical or immoral or un-american or whatever it is.

those people by and large been replaced and in their self-interest and getting position into power. i have been talking the smaller 20% that's left and quite frequently. there are people in there who are scared because they see what's going on around them because if they were to leave, that's the last vested stability there and the wheels will go off the wagwagon. i made the case to a lot of these folks that it is time to leave. there is no more good to be done. the wheels have been off the wagon and they should go reclaim their lives and conscious and say what they know to be true. the example that you just gave about using white house property for a convention and political purposes, that's the type of thing -- i was talking to a secretary the other day from the trump administration. i said could you imagine if that

was proposed in years one or two, any of us who serves in government knows it is a hatch act environment. day one you get a powerpoint brief where they walk you through where you don't miss politics with official business. they would give you examples and you would break the law and you would be in trouble. instead it is just like what you said, it rolls forward and became a thing and now it is normalized. that's what a second term is going to be like for donald trump, normalizing illegal behavior. >> miles taylor, i appreciate your time tonight. controversy for the fda and the cdc, bad information from both and how that could affect the nation's fight against the virus when we return. at do you n you trade? i want free access to research.

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two sources confirmed to cnn. dr. steven hahn removed dr. miller. she was replaced by the white house. it is unclear what her role is now. in a news conference he vastly over stated the benefits of the treatment. he says political reasons did not factor into his decision making. this comes a day after the fda turned his contract and consulted dr. hahn to correct any misleading comments.

federal officials tell cnn the pressure to issue that guidance came "from the top down." dr. redfield says the white house's coronavirus task force was consulted and dr. fauci said he was not and was under going surgery and under anesthesia at the time. our dr. sanjay gupta is here with us. what's going on whether being folded under political pressure or morphing medical advise. it seems like it is under the thumbs of politics. >> anderson i heard your earlier eggme segment when they talkinged about a series of things that

are unprecedented. i have never seen anything like this. i know the cdc and the fda, the center for disease control and preventions, the backbone of public health of this country and around the world and the food and drugs administration which is responsible for regulating a product for every 25 cents spent a dollar in america. both agencies are full of talented, brilliant people who do a great job day in and day out. there is something really wrong at the leadership level and there is something really wrong with the messages coming out. it could not be more of a dangerous time. we need to have the american public to trust science. we need to make sure that when and if we get a safe and effective vaccine that people can believe that it is safe and effective. we need people to understand that the guidance offered by the

cdc about social protocol and wearing a mask and staying apart and tracking and tracing this disease will keep us safe and secure and the more the public doubts those messages, the more they are battered by political interference with science, i think the worse it gets. we have a president who consistently lies about the science and gives false information to the public and now unfortunately as the agency is coming with some information that seems not to be accurate or true. >> sanjay, this thing with fda and dr. hahn apologizing over stating the benefits of supply over treatment. good for him apologizing but the cdc multiple times changing guidelines based on -- nothing else other than political pressure. >> yep, that's true.

we have been reporting on this for a long time. i talk ed to a lot of public health officials who are not working for the government. they are unify ied in terms of w they are thinking of these new recommendations. the cdc said asymptomatic people do not need to get tested. that's bad guidance. the cdc is not only the institution people look for in the united states but all over the world and now you have a lot of people saying we can't go to their guidance anymore. the fda and everyon before the issue of plasma, on thursday they said not going to get authorization over the weekend and there is this tweet that goes out the fda better see the light or they're going to feel the heat from the president. >> from the president. >> the emergency authorization did not happen on sunday. this is an organization and administration that the fda, you

know gave the eua, for hydroxychloroquine. this is some time ago but there was no everyday at that point to support that. it is worrisome and i am hearing a lot about this concern. >> you know the idea of non-symptomatic people should not be tested. it is clear break from science and incredibly harmful. >> it absolutely is. the evidence seems to point to to fact that asymptomatic individuals are carrying about 40% of the disease. if you don't test those individuals, we have no idea where the disease is. you wait and only test people when they have symptoms or on their way to the hospital, it is incredible that we are still talking about testing. we started talking about testing in late january, early february. we have not gotten -- we tested

a lot more people but we don't have a protocol. we still don't have an agreed upon process and we still don't have the equipment to do fast turn around tests and we are pushing schools to open and pushing universities to open and b businesses to open. it is really dangerous. people are dying everyday. i went back and looked at m mid-april, this president said in defiant of all the guidance, states should reopened. we had 33,000 deaths in the middle of april. 150,000 people have died since then and we are still talking about testing. we still don't have the protocol and the most fatalities of any country on earth. >> sanjay, last night the president stood on the south lawn in his campaign saying that he's focusing on "the science,

the feedbacacts and the data toe the coronavirus pandemic." he said that in front of a crowd more than a thousand people and many without masks and had not been tested. what do you say? well, what can you say? >> the actions were totally flying in the face of even the most basic science. the idea that at this point in the middle o f a pandemic, when you slow the country down and the spread down. you had this plan to slow the spread down when there is 5,000 people affected and now there is 5 million. it gone up a thousand unfolds. everybody should know at this point you should keep your distance and wear a mask and these are basic things and that was not happening. what about the protesters or the march? that's an issue as well. people should not be aggregating together. the only thing that likes people

aggregating together is the virus jumping host to host. it is perfect for the virus but it is bad for everybody else. we know this at this point. i don't know what it is fwoing to take. really there is that scene today where i think where it was but they said you got to wear your mask, it was at some rally and people were booing. you are told that you can save 70,000 looi 70,000 looi 70,000 lives by the end of the year. what is it going to take? >> that was at a trump campaign >> thank you so much. just ahead more my interview with the young man at the center of controversy surrounding jerry falwell jr.

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last hour we brought you an interview with a young man, granda and falwell. here is the second part of the interview. >> they bought a youth hospital. you were offered 25% share in the deal, why did you get offered 25% of the deal? you did not put up any money for it, did you? >> no, i did not. there is a couple of trips and we went to a resort in the keys and then there is another trip in new york. we stayed at the hotel and park aft

avenue. there i was telling jerry about this passionate project of mine to help people. look, before you can help anyone, you need to make a lot of money yourself. my background is in real state. how about you pick a property at miami beach and i will give you 25% equity. so he's the one that actually offered -- >> why do you think he's doing th that? >> i believe that he wanted to help. that's how he always pitched and he wanted to pay forward. if anyone ask about our relationship, just say that i am a mentor. somebody helped him out so he wanted to pay forward. >> why come forward of these allegations? >> i feel trapped and i have been trying to get out of that business relationship for a long time. >> for the percentage that you said you owe. >> i have an ownership, there is

a selling mechanism that allowed me some equity state. over the years they promised that they would and they would just dangling this promise and string me along and never happened. i have text messages that jerry himself memorialized this cra contract. >> jerry falwell said you were extorting them. while we tried to distant ourselves, he became aggressive and threaten to reveal the relationship with becki. did you threaten the falwells that you would go public if they did not pay you? >> that's false. he called me an extortionist or criminal. if i was extorting, why would he

still be hanging out with me. in january 2019, there was a facetime call and becki walking around naked in the house and jerry is following her right behind. >> we obtained communications from someone familiar with falwells dealing that in march, you were asking $1.1 million. they say that was you trying to ex to extort them. >> again, i was only asking what was offered to me. again, i am just asking for what he promised. >> you are saying your 25% stake is worth that figure that i just read? >> in 2016 he himself said this

number that ill get $600,000 in net after personal taxes and expenses. >> so -- where is the $1.1 million figure coming from? >> well, if you consider the gross amount. i mean it is right on par. he also back hotel in virginia. and at that time, he was trying to bring me over to virginia. >> did you, at any point -- so you're saying this relationship, the sexual relationship, went on for how long? >> it went on from 2012 to, physically, 2018. and then, we still remained in

contact after that. and again, the face time recording was in january 2019. >> at any point, i mean, did you ever discuss -- you know, obviously, they are evangelical leaders running a very religious university. and very outspoken on religious topics. did you ever discuss how they reconciled what you say was going on, with the values that they were professing, publicly? >> we didn't really talk about that, much. about religion or anything. but i did witness the hypocrisy, behind the scenes. the lies. i toured liberty campus multiple times. and they treat that family. it's like a monarchy. they're like the royal family there and it's bizarre. and the reason why this story is important. it's more than the sexual scandal. it's -- it's a lot more than that. this is about a pattern of predatory behavior, abuse of

power. the people around them, the -- the inner circle, they protect them and they look the other waway they've witnessed things. i have a seen it, myself. and they just looked the other way. and they'd say it's just jerry being jerry or becky being becky. >> giancarlo, appreciate your time. coming up. search and rescue missions underway in louisiana. our gary tuchman joins us with that story, when we continue.

in the wake of the powerful category 4 hurricane that hit the gulf coast region, search and rescue missions are now underway. the state hardest hit by hurricane laura is louisiana, where most of the hundreds of thousands of power outages occurred, and at least ten people are reported dead. the heat advisory that's in effect through tomorrow night, only adding to the misery of an area where water is in sharp demand. our gary tuchman joined one effort to search for survivors, and has the story. >> reporter: calls keep coming into the sheriff's office from people in the lake charles area, who can't get in touch with their family members or friends. so the parish louisiana

deputies, ryan tarver and cameron hicks are responding to as many calls as they can. we go to this house, heavily damaged from the hurricane. >> how you doing, sir? >> reporter: they are looking for a 72-year-old man, who did not evacuate. there is great concern the man could be found dead or seriously hurt. paramedics and a worried neighbor were there when the sheriff's deputies arrived. they found the man, gerald fruge, a vietnam veteran, who had, indeed, been hurt. >> i slipped and fell in the hallway. >> are you feeling okay now? >> yeah. i feel good. >> okay. we're worried about you. and the sheriff's deputies are worried about you, and the emergency workers are worried about you. >> fruge says he believes he hurt his ribs. everyone here, relieved that gerald fruge is not seriously hurt. sadly, different deputies, earlier, found a man who had died from what is believed to be

carbon monoxide poisoning. and that is always a major concern. as the deputies go to this door, there is no answer. that happens quite a bit. there's, also, no answer here. but then, they go around to the side of this damaged house. >> we got sent to do a welfare check on you. i guess, your family was trying to contact you, and they haven't been able to, yet. >> i know. my son just called me. >> reporter: dottie said she and her family did evacuate, just before the storm hit. but like many here, she has no cell service, no power, no water. >> you have everything that you need here? >> that is a camper. i didn't even recognize it. >> 35 foot. and we have -- getting that thing clean from top to bottom to sell it. >> reporter: dottie says she lost her house when hurricane

rita hit. now, they're grateful the deputies came to make sure they're okay. >> i appreciate it. i really do because i -- we're still here kind of basically by ourselves. most of our neighbors haven't come back. >> reporter: there are still many searches for these sheriff's deputies to do, and relief that, on this particular shift, nobody was found seriously hurt or dead. >> gary joins us now. what is the latest on the death toll, as well as the recovery effort? >> latest information, anderson, between this state in louisiana and texas, at least 14 people have died. meanwhile, on the ground, life is very difficult. here, in lake charles, for example, nobody has power. there's 78,000 people who live here. almost nobody has water. stores, restaurants, gas stations, all shut down. power lines, trees in the roads. you can't get through many of the roads. and the roads that you can get through, a lot of them are obstacle courses. and then, there's a hospital in this city, because of the damage to the hospital and because of the lack of water, they have sent their patients to other

hospitals in the state. anderson. >> wow. the aftermath. gary, thanks very much. appreciate it. reminder, don't miss full circle. our digital news show. you can catch it live, streaming, monday, tuesday, and friday, at 6:00 p.m. eastern on cnn.com/full circle. or watch it there on cnn app or anytime, on demand. the news continues right now. let's turn things over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." have a great weekend. >> this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. for those of you who believe in reality, pay close attention. for those of you who may not, pay closer attention. i've got a lot to say. it's donald trump's america, and it's an angry america. an america, where protestors are shot in the street. an america, where more than 180,000 people have died in a pandemic. where the death toll could pass 300,000, by december.