$2 million more but if he loses, what kennedy would do next is still an open question. we posed that question to him. he didn't want to entertain it and said he looks forward to running to the finish line and celebrating on tuesday night. pam? >> all right. we'll be watching to see how it plays out. thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. so if there was any doubt about what president trump intends to make his central campaign issue, there is none at all tonight. john berman here in for anderson. there is a pandemic you might have heard that has killed 183,000 americans. the president's central campaign issue is not that. it is affirmatively and specifically and intentionally not that. now we know what it is because he puts it in all caps on his official white house stationary known as twitter. law and order. law and order? he has ten campaign or administration associates charged or convicted of crimes.

law and order? own company which he never die vested from is under investigation in the state of new york. law and order? he defended supporters that shot paint balls into crowds in portland and a supporter charges in two deaths in kenosha, wisconsin after the police shooting of jacob blake. law and order seems to be pretty selective as long as it doesn't apply to him and his supporters and as long as it benefits him politically. he opined his visit to kenosha tomorrow might generate enthusiasm for what exactly? yesterday we had dozens of tweets and retweets cheering aggressive and sometimes violent counter protestors in portland. he liked a sympathetic tweet about kyle ridden house attenho painting the picture of the lawless america. it came from a factually dubious eruption. this is how president trump and

candidate trump sees law and order. >> the violence is fueled by dangers, rhetoric from far left politicians that demonize our nation and demonize our police. we have to allow our police to do what they're very good at doing. we've taken that power away. they're afraid to lose their pension, their job, their everything. they are afraid to be destroyed. you saw this when left wing extremists, the violet rioters shared biden's talking points and agenda for our nation and even his strange speech today that he made in pittsburgh. he didn't mention the fact and he didn't mention the far left. he didn't mention the far left or for what i saw and without law enforcement we wouldn't have a country. we have very talented people. they're not allowed to do their job. if you give the radical left

power, what you're seeing in the democrat run cities will be brought to every city in this country. >> the president also briefly, very briefly talked about the pandemic. he did not mention today's milestone 6 million cases in the united states and more than 183,000 lives lost and he said nothing about his responsibility for any of it. joe biden did. >> since donald trump and mike pence can't run on the record that has seen more american deaths to a virus, this virus than a nation suffered in every war since korea combined. since they can't run on their economy that has seen more people lose their jobs than any time since the great depression, since they can't run on the simple proposition of sending our children safely back to school, since they have no agenda or vision for a second term. trump and pence are running on

this and i find it fascinating. quote, you won't be safe in joe biden's america. what's their proof? the violence we're seeing in donald trump's america. these are not images of some imagined joe biden america in the future. these are images of donald trump's america today. he keeps telling you if only he was president, it wouldn't happen. if he was president. he keeps telling us if he was president you'd feel safe. well, he is president whether he knows it or not. and it is happening. >> a lot to get to tnonight but we begin with the campaign style press conference and because it contains so many falsehoods, we have correspondents on the job reporting facts, remember those? we do. let's start with kaitlan collins who is at the white house who questioned the president tonight. kaitlan this is clearly part of

the campaign strategy, what was supposed to be a coronavirus briefing clearly wasn't. is this something we're going to see every night until november? >> basically. if you talk to campaign aids, they certainly say they believe this law and order message the president is pushing is more effective than talking about coronavirus. they have seen multiple polls that show the majority of voters don't like the way the president responded to the pandemic. he's trying to frame this debate over who is going to win in november over really what you want to see and what america, the country is going to look like as a whole depending who you elect as president. what we realize tonight and which was clear to some people before, what the president made increasingly clear in the briefing tonight was his law and order message only applies when it's not his supporters because tonight, he repeatedly declined to condemn his own supporters who have used violent tactics over the weekend in portland and he wanted to focus on the person who is believed to be a supporter of his who is killed in portland while instead defending the person who is

accused of killing two other people and attempted homicide on a third count in kenosha, wisconsin. so you see how the president says he's criticizing joe biden for not condemning all violence, even though joe biden did do that but didn't specifically name antifa. he is calling on joe biden to do. so you are seeing the discrepancy play out in a matter of minutes. >> it's full of internal contradictions. no question. you tried to push him on the issue of kyle rittenhouse. he tried to ignore you but another reporter pushed. how did that play out? >> yeah, this is this interaction where the president went from talking about what his supporters were doing in portland to talking about the person who was killed and of course, the question was the president has been ignoring what was happening just in wisconsin last week, something he's not commented on at length until tonight and this is what he said, john. >> they had large numbers of

people that were supporters but that was a peaceful protest, and paint is not -- and paint is a defensive mechanism. paint is not bullets. your supporters and they are your supporters indeed shot a young gentleman who -- and killed him. >> it was a supporter of yours, mr. president that killed someone. >> the actions of vehicigilante like kyle rittenhouse. >> that was an interesting situation. you saw the same tape as i saw and he was trying to get away from them, i guess, it looks like and he fell and they very violently attacked him. >> kyle rittenhouse is the 17-year-old arrested accused of murdering two people. there the president defended him and talking about what he believed happened, saying it still under investigation. he was certainly defending him

not lending the same sense of let's wait and see how this plays out in portland and declined to condemn tactics like pointing paint guns and pepper spray at protesters in portland after he criticized biden for refusing to condemn antifa. the president is picking and choosing when he's condemning and defending depending which political candidate he believes they are supporting. >> selective law and worder. terrific work. thanks for being with us. in pittsburgh where joe biden spoke today, we want facts about what he said obviously, arlet. joe biden in a way was defining himself and the president. what was this focus of the speech today? >> reporter: well, john, joe biden's focus today was pushing back on the argument from president trump and his allies that americans would not be safe

under a joe biden presidency. that is something that you've heard republicans push and hammer away on including in their convention last week, but today, biden tried to turn the tables on trump arguing that these scenes of violence you seen in some of the protests popping up around the country over the past few months saying that that has occurred under president trump's watch. he accused the president of stoking this violence. he also said that he is incapable of healing the country in this moment and described president trump as a toxic figure posing this question to voters if they are going to rid themselves of the toxin he believes president trump is and try to vote to restore the character of the country. that is something biden has been running on from the very beginning and today, he tried to present himself as that person who can kind of cool the temperature of the tension that is currently in this country and he believes that president trump is just unfit to do that in this

moment. >> so the president also tried to claim joe biden has not done an adequate job of denouncing those involved in the violent protests. i want you to listen to what the president said here. >> and even his strange speech today that he made in pittsburgh, he didn't mention the fact and he didn't mention the far left. he didn't mention the far left or for what i saw, i don't believe he mentioned the word antifa. antifa is a criminal organization and he didn't mention antifa thugs but mostly seemed to blame the police and law enforcement. he went on point after point after point. he even talked about those on the right but he didn't talk about those on the left. >> like so many people, arlette, i watched both events. how accurate was that statement? >> reporter: he didn't say the exact word antifa.

biden did forcefully denounce violence. he has been doing this the past day. he released a statement and tweet saying he condemned violence on all sides after those protests in portland and today, he talked about how rioting and looting and setting buildings on fire is not protesting, that that is lawlessness and those who participate should be prosecuted and tonight he also called out president trump from not rebuking violence forcefully. biden said tonight the president declined to rebuke violence. he wouldn't repudiate a supporter charged with murder because of his attacks on others. he is too weak, too scared of a hatred and he's stirred to put an end to it. biden calling trump to join him by rebuking violence on all sides. >> the interesting word is weak, a word the biden campaign is trying to use as much as possible to define president trump. very interesting to see. arlette, thanks for being with us. next, to kenosha wisconsin

where an armed teenager allegedly murdered two people or charged in the deaths of two people. something the president bent over backwards not to condemn and where he travels tomorrow despite calls from the governor of wisconsin to stay home. the president was asked if he was concerned at all that his visit to kenosha could increase tension and violence there. his response was quote, it could also increase enthusiasm. so what's that about? >> yeah, i have talked to people here. i've talked to several people in this town here in kenosha. that's not the response they certainly have. i spent some time yesterday talking to people. i even went to a gas station, the convenience store, the gas station that was looted and the owner i spoke to and he said he did not want the president coming here. there is a lot of concern about the rhetoric. there is concern that it's going to spark some violence quite frankly that this is a city that

has now seen days of peace, people getting along. a lot of unity right now in this city and the biggest concern from them is that to have the president come here is just going to turn that all around and they really do not want him. the mayor doesn't want him coming here. the governor doesn't want him here. so for a lot of people tomorrow i think they are bracing for what is to come and in light of the president coming here, the city extended the curfew. the curfew was exposed to expire this morning at 7:00 a.m. they extended it. it's now going to be in place all week again and for the businesses, that's a little tough, john. >> yeah, to say the least. the president also talked about kyle rittenhouse charged with the death of two people. i guess he was in very big trouble. he probably would have been killed. what do we know about the sequence of events at this point? >> look, that entire night was probably one of the worst nights here for this city in terms of this violence because it was

extremely chaotic. you had vigilantes who were not from this city come in here, claiming to want to protect property, seemingly to be supported by the police in what they were doing and they were having confrontations with protesters. one of the things with kyle rittenhouse, there was concern given his age and how he handled this big fire on this long rifle of this weapon that he had. there was a lot of concern from the protesters on how he was handling it and things just turned chaotic. you know, he was chased at one point and the reason why some of the people were chasing is because they were concerned over what he was doing. there was an instance after he allegedly shot the first person, he ran and some of the protesters were chasing him and in the criminal complaint that the district attorney filed, they say that rittenhouse shot a

victim while the victim had his hands up. the man had a weapon in his hand but his hands were up and the weapon was in his right hand and you can clearly see that in video police have been able to see. so, you know, there is some elements perhaps that he can claim self-defense but for the president to come out and not condemn what he is doing is certainly, certainly very troubling, john. >> in kenosha, keep us posted. the president said this tonight about portland, argentina. the entire city is ablaze all the time he says. so it's with some trepidation we go to lucy somewhere in the flames that must be lurking behind you, lucy. the president was asked about violence at the hands of supp t supporters in portland and say that was a peaceful protest and paint is not a defense mechanism. paint is not bullets.

lucy, was this a peaceful protest? >> reporter: well, i'll try to watch out for the fires around me, john. the only truthful statement in what you just quoted from the president is that paint, in fact, is not a bullet but there are countless examples of people being arrested for shooting paint guns by police here in portland and in other cities and areas across america. what we saw on saturday was not an example of a peaceful protest. we saw this massive convoy of president trump supporters and members of a far right group known as patriot prayer. they don't have a large national footprint but very well-known in the pacific northwest. their leader has been facing charges and several other members of the group facing charges for inciting a riot at a bar here in portland. we saw -- we also know according to the splc their events often draw white supremacists and often operated alongside militia. this was a cause for concern in a city seeing so much tension

and heightened emotion. we saw this large convoy head into downtown portland on saturday. police tried to keep them away from downtown but a smaller group of cars broke off and went there anyway. clashes ensued. social media videos showed members of the trump supporters shooting air guns, paint ball guns into the crowd. some were seen spraying a substance, perhaps bear spray or mace and this conflict ensued. we don't have details but one man who is identified as aaron j. danielson a 39-year-old man was shot in the chest tragically lost his life but again, this was not a calm scenario. it certainly i'm flamed tensions. >> lucy, because you made a point. there is violence in portland to say the least in the past 90 plus days but the entire city as the president said is not in flames, is it? >> reporter: this city is 145 square miles. these protests have largely been

limited to a four-block radius in front of a police station. this city is not ablaze and chaotic situations. we saw for 94 days is consecutive days of racial justice, racial equality protests, many of those nights have been peaceful. yes, there were some elements of rioters on some occasions but they were dying down until the 4th of july weekend when the trump administration chose to send in federal forces into the city against the wishes of city and state leaders. that inflamed tensions and led to massive violence, rubber bullets, tear gas, flying projectiles. they don't calm grievances like racial injustice and problems with policing. those actions inflame tensions here. that's what we saw from the mayor of portland that spoke out and blamed trump for stoking tensions. >> there was a man killed that weekend and that's horrible but the entire city is not in flames every day. lucy, thanks for being there.

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we're talking about the president's campaign press conference and went through factual issues. a closer look about his view of police and policing and criminal justice at large and also, whether or not it packs any political punch. joining us is former obama advisor van jones. cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and top cop in washington d.c. and philadelphia and law enforcement analyst. van, i asked you a question on friday following the conventions and the president's clear efforts to reframe this election as law and order and said what should joe biden do now? look strong and paint the president as weak. in fact, he just put out a statement about the president's press conference and in it he says to the president, he's too weak, too scared of the hatred to put an end to it. how do you assess these two performances we saw today? >> look, i thought biden was

strong and here is the thing. the subtext of the subtext of the subtext is who is strong enough to bring america back together and who is strong enough to actually solve these problems and trump is -- he loves the bluster. he loves to act like the tough guy but he often is whining and complaining. he's feeling victimized. he's has more pity for himself often than for almost 200,000 americans that have died from covid and that gives joe biden an opening. he may not be as vigorous physically as a donald trump but i thought you saw today a man who is tough, who is smart and who understands the real issue not going to get pushed around by the idea this is also not joe biden's fault if donald trump's country is falling apart. >> it's a trap, gloria. when the president came out, joe biden and his speech said the president is going to stoke divisions. the president in his words in

the violence the president was given an opportunity to address the issue of kyle rittenhouse charged in the deaths of people in bwisconsin and backed off. what does that tell you? >> he doesn't want to go there. he thinks it hurts his narrative. he doesn't want to say he's a vehicigilante vigilante. maybe people are dead. we need to take a look at rittenhouse. no, instead, he went in the other direction. this is a president who is thinking about november and what he is think something law and order as he tweets in all caps multiple times a day is what is going to get him there. it's a selection only about covid, he knows he's going to lose. what he's doing is saying okay, joe biden is a radical. he is a captive of the radical left. he's going to make this country unsafe, and what joe biden did today is come out and say give me a break. he came out.

i love this line. he looked like a radical socialist. he said you know my heart, you know me. and so this punctured it and will continue to do that because the president of the united states is playing just might convince suburban voters he's thinking of women and perhaps joe biden is going to make him feel unsafe. so i think biden came back and gave him what he had to do. >> commissioner, i want to ask you about the substance of the president's defense of kyle rittenhouse. for people that did your job, how does that complicate things when you have the president of the united states basically running interference for him? >> well, sure, it complicates

things. first of all, none of those people should have been there. i mean, bringing guns to a protest is just a bad idea to begin with and now you got a 17-year-old kid, doesn't even live in the state. i wonder where his parents were for goodness sake. how do you leave the house with an assault rifle? mom and dad, i think i'll go to wisconsin and protect some businesses. give me a break. you know, this is absolutely ridiculous. and as far as the president of the united states to jump in the middle of something without the facts, it just doesn't make any sense and i think it just stirs things up even more. >> he's got another defense now that he's used for the last couple of days and this is of police actions, commissioner. he says they make mistakes. they make mistakes. sure, they make mistakes but you have to move on. you can't blame a forever mistake and choked. they are mistakes. they are only human. does that fully explain what is going on when you have questions

of racial justice around the country? >> listen, everybody can make a mistake. that part is accurate but the thing that i took offense to is this notion of choking. listen, i've been in the business 47 years as an active police officer. chicago, d.c., philadelphia and i've seen police officers in all kinds of circumstances. st. louis lost a cop this morning shot in the head responding to a call for service. the eight years i spent in philly, i lost eight officers, five shot to death. none of them choked. so can you make a mistake out there? yeah. you're in high stress situations. we need to do a better job of training to make sure officers always exercise good judgment but to say that, you know, possibly they choked. i didn't see any evidence of that. i thought the shooting may not have been justified but that's not indication of choking and i do think it's a slap in the face that men and women across the country who face danger every single day and believe me, they do not choke. >> so van, obviously, the

president is trying to have it both ways here. he labels protesters that don't support him as thugs and anarchists but if you do support him, you're a patriot. how does that work? i mean, it's obviously a contradiction. don't people see that? >> hypocrisy and politics isn't anything new. this is particularly dangerous. you know, you had a convention. the republican convention where they were celebrating on monday night a white couple that was pointing guns in an unjustified manner at unarmed black protesters. those people are facing criminal charges for doing so and by tuesday night, you had this young man out there on the streets doing the same thing and pulling the trigger and shooting down a protester. so you have to be very careful when you're the president of the united states. when you have any platform if you're an athlete, they are using their platforms responsibly in a peaceful way to call attention to this stuff. the president needs to be as

responsible as the nba and athletes. if you start sending condolences to one side and not the other, praising one side and not the other, what you begin to do is encourage people to believe or lead them to believe they have the president's backing when they do this stuff, commit acts of violence for one side and that's very dangerous. not hypocritical but dangerous. >> gloria, the president said of his visit to kenosha tomorrow, he said it will generate enthusiasm or increase enthusiasm. how did you interpret that? >> well, i think the way he meant it is it's going to create enthusiasm for him. it's about him. and it's about bringing out his voters, and it's about trying to win the state of wisconsin, which is of course, a key battle ground state. he also sort of said well, it's going to create love for the country or something like that but what he really meant was of course, it's going to create enthusiasm for me.

that's why i'm going. this is about the election. >> van jones, gloria borger, commissioner ramsey, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. more to come as we continue "360" police training tactics and a powerful sedative used in the arrest of a young black man in colorado who later died. was that your grandfather, leading armies to battle? was that your great-aunt, keeping armies alive? drafting the plans. taking the pictures. was it your family members? who flew. who fixed. who fought. who rose to the occasion. when the world needed them most. (♪) find and honor your ancestors who servered in world war ii. their stories live on at ancestry.

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police tactics. one which has flown under the radar is the increased use of a powerful sedative on people arresting officers say are belligerent. sara sidner has more on whether they are using ketamine. >> how much have you had to drink? >> i'm good. >> reporter: elijah mcknight said what happened during this arrest in aurora, colorado shouldn't happen again. >> i was out cold for three days on life support. >> reporter: he was drunk on the sidewalk when police arriveed to check on him. he tells police there are warrants out for his arrest. all is calm until an officer attempts to cuff him. he resists and is cuffed and tased but says what happened when paramedics showed up nearly killed him. >> they were acting like i was just the incredible hulk and that i was tossing them around. >> a little too hyped upright

now. >> i am being corporative. >> you are, i appreciate it. >> paramedics determined he doesn't need to be hospitalized. but then a police officer asks this. >> you guys can't give him anything? >> something? >> we can give him ketamine when he'll sleep like a baby. >> he'll be a fight the whole way. >> no. >> he's bucking the three of us. give it to him. >> and they do. one shot of 500 milligrams of ketamine. the paramedics report say he's being wildly combative. but at this point, video shows him cuffed and lying still but yelling. they call a physician and get permission to inject him millig

>> we can actually do surgery on patients with ketamine. >> it's to treat pain or general anesthesia. it's so powerful in colorado first responders need a health department waiver to use it. it works fast. can leave a patient conscious but unable to move, unable to speak and sometimes unable to breathe. >> depending on what study you look at, 30 to 57% of patients will require intubation where you have to put a breathing tube in. >> the controversy is over why and how it's being used by first responders. >> they definitely weren't going to give me ketamine until the police asked for it. >> ketamiketamine or any other shouldn't be given by police. >> reporter: the colorado state health department recently determined medics actions were independent of police requests and warranted. mcknight disagrees but says he's

thankful he didn't die unlike another colorado man named elijah that same month. >> stop. >> reporter: elijah mcclain committed no crime but stopped on his way home after aurora police are called about a man walking with a ski mask on. officers confront him. they say he fought them. they put him in a choke hold causing him to vomit. >> whatever he's on, he has incredible strength. >> yeah, crazy strength. >> reporter: mcclain is already cuffed face down saying he can't breathe. an autopsy shows he has no illegal drugs in his system. but when paramedics arrive. they inject him with nearly double the recommended dose for someone of his weight. >> i've been in practice 30 years and never given a dose that high. >> reporter: mcclain died in the hospital three days later. the coroner reports said mcclain died of undetermined causes but intense physical exertion, a

negative drug reaction to ketamine could have contributed to his death. his family filed a civil lawsuit against aurora police and the city. >> this is an incredible tragedy and an example of an innocent young man who is tortured and who is murdered by a combination of both law enforcement and so-called first responders. >> reporter: but the district attorney determined no charges were warranted in the case. now, a year after his death, the city, state and health department have all opened new investigations. but aurora fire rescue determined last november that their paramedics actions were consistent and aligned with our established protocol and that mcclain was showing signs of excited dell lir use, a dangerous and inexplicable condition. mcknight was also diagnosed with excited dilerium that can cause a person to be so agitated, they exercise themselves to death.

the condition is not recognized by any major medical association but recognized by the american college of emergency physicians. >> clinicians would have a difficult time dig nosing it and when you employ ketamine, you better be sure that's what it is and not something else. >> reporter: the ketamine waiver says it's a rare syndrome but from 2018 to 2019 there was a 72% increase in ketamine waivers issue to treat it. >> the term excited da lir yum is excessive force against civilians. why do you think police asked paramedics to give you something? >> they're being lazy and didn't want to do their job. they didn't want to deal with a drunk [ bleep ]. it wasn't excited delirium. i can tell you that. >> reporter: there is an active case against mcknight.

the journal of emergency medical services says ketamine is an effective drug in the field that can save lives but there is no tracking across the united states. we found several on going investigations into the use of ketamine by first responders. >> in my experience, i've been pressured by police to administratier ketamine. >> reporter: this first responder is talking about using ketamine. he's suing saying he had to quit his paramedic job there because he was retaliated against for exposing falsified ems training records in his department and for refusing to bow to pressure by police to use ketamine on a mental health call when it was not medically necessary. >> before we arrived, we received notes to get ketamine ready. i was met by officers saying do you have your ketamine ready?

i said no but i'd like to evaluate the patient first. >> what was the reaction? >> they were angry. i don't think they were expecting me to give the response i did. >> reporter: what happened ultimately? >> there wasn't any reason to give him any medication. >> reporter: he says talking was the best tool in the field that day in 2019 but paid a price for it was. >> i placed on a performance improvement plan for being angry and insubbored nant to a police officer. >> reporter: because you refused to issue ketamine? >> yes. >> reporter: baker's attorney says all baker is doing is trying to protect citizens and the city. knowing what happened in neighboring minneapolis. >> ketamine should never be a law enforcement tool. it is a medical tool. >> reporter: in 2018, the minneapolis office of police

conduct review found the air appearance of ketamine reports increased from two in 2010 to 62 in 2019, a 3,000 percent increase. analysts observed eight cases where officers participated in the decision to administer ketamine. >> we can't simply substitute injecting people involuntarily with a dangerous drug instead of talking. it's not constitutional. >> reporter: the mcclain family and mcknight believe that is exactly what happened in their cases. >> yeah, it definitely wasn't to keep me or them safe. it almost killed me. >> i got to say, sara sidner joins us now. i knew about the elijah mcclain case. i had no idea this was so wide spread. this is fascinating and concerning. what is the status of the elijah mcclain case? >> reporter: a couple of things have happened just this month. the colorado state department of health is now reviewing its

ketamine waiver program for use of ketamine in the field for excited delirum and it's asked to be halted until the elijah mcclain case investigation is complete. we heard from someone, a spokesperson for the national order of police. she had nothing to do with any of these cases but says it is hard for her to believe that police would be trying to influence anyone to use ketamine because of excited delirium as an excuse to have paramedics use it on suspects to quiet them down. they are trained on excited delirium and it's just done for everyone can remain safe in difficult situations. john? >> raises questions. sarah. thank you for shining a light on this. that is a fascinating report. sara sidner, thank you. just ahead another big day in the search for a coronavirus

vaccine and concerns that the trump administration could rush into it before it is fully tested. dr. sanjay gupta is here when "ac 360" continues.

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shrift in his news conference about the coronavirus vaccine. astrazeneca joins ma de s moder pfizer. the country is being warned about using vaccines before phase three trials are completed. china and russia are saying that's something they will do. the top official at w.h.o. said doing this has to be done with a great deal of seriousness and reflection, it's not something you do very lightly. joining us now, dr. sanjay gupta. the fda commissioner said the fda could consider emergency use authorization for this vaccine before phase three trials are complete. is that wise? >> i don't think so, john. public health officials are weighing in on this.

keep in mind you have to take that in con. the fda did give an emergency use for hydroxychloroquine. the fact that the fda did that raised a lots of eyebrows, we know last weekend the commissioner gave emergency use for convalescent plasma and exaggerated the benefit of that, you have to take these in context, the issue about ua for a vaccine, as you well knee, the bar has to be higher, unlike medications to give to somebody who is sick and doesn't have any other options this is to give tole thy people to prevent disease. i was looking into this today, the eua process hasn't been around that wrong, about 15 years or so, back in 2009, it was considered, and i can show you some of the data here, there was concern even back then about an eua for a vaccine as there

always is. when you broke it down, you found that people were most comfortable if they were getting this information about the vaccine that benefits from their own doctor specifically, as opposed to hearing about it from a government agency. we don't know how that's going to play out here, this would be the first time if it's done. they thought about it again in 2009 and back in 2005 for anthrax. >> what's the difference between emergency use authorization and full vaccine approval. >> with authorization you're saying, we got no other choices here. we're conducting a risk reward analysis and we're thinking we've got to do this because there's no alternative. what they say is for the fda to issue an eua, which is an emergency use authorization,

there must be no adequate approved and available alternative for diagnosing, preventing or treating the disease. john, the thing is here, everyone wants a vaccine. most people want a vaccine. what's worked around the world is these public health things we've been talking about, wearing masks, social distancing. if the idea is the vaccine is going to help us get back to noermal, sure, that's true. until we are confident it is safe that's why you test it in tens of thousands of people, and effective, which you test with the passage of time, the idea of approving this or even giving it authorization is not something i'm hearing any public health officials recommend. >> vaccines are given to millions and millions of healthy people, which is why there's a

different bar there. the washington post reported today that dr. scott analyst is a proponent of sorts of herd immunity, which he denies, but there are others who say he does support parts of it, how dangerous, how flawed do you think that would be? >> he did talk about this in testimony before, which is why he -- people think that he's an advocate of herd immunity. he did say, you walk that back today, saying, it's not what i meant, it's a real concern, herd immunity, this idea of getting to 70% of the country infected. a couple of the reasonings. if you look at some of the studies, the estimates are, that 10% of the country has currently been infected. we don't know for sure, we haven't been doing adequate testing. with 10% of the country infected, there's been 180,000

people who have died. how long does the immunity last? we're starting to see the outer borders of that, four, five months. it doesn't last very long either. it would take a long time to get to herd immunity. just ahead, the trump justice department wants to displace the case immediately against michael flynn. why eight federal judges today said no to that.

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on a night the president stressed he would be the law and order president, we want to update you on the rangeling of former aids. the decision by william barr and the justice department to dismiss its case against michael flynn. flynn and the department had won the initial review 2-1. despite the fact that fling had pleaded guilty twice. this means that judge emmitt sullivan can dismiss the case

for legitimate reasons. in a separate case, something of a win for the trump administration, perhaps momentarily. a panel on the same federal court -- they can enforce is a in as, that could continue as well. >> a lot going on. i hand it over to chris cuomo. we have 64 days until election day. and i don't think that we have had a more dangerous period in our recent history. it's time to come together to understand the facts and for you to make the choices that will set our course ahead. the country is in the grip of two crisis. neither one is under control coronavirus continues to spread, now our kids are back in school in different ways, in dif