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burnett. "outfront" tonight, the president denies systemic racism exists. the very reason for protests across the country, including in kenosha, wisconsin, the site of the police shooting of jacob blake, where the president was today. during a round table discussion, a reporter asked two black pastors if police violence is rooted in racism, and the president jumped in. >> some african-american community, a lot of others have said it's systemic. where do you stand on that? >> i don't believe that, no. i don't believe that. i think the police do an incredible job. >> do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country? >> you know, you just keep getting back to the opposite subject. we should take about the kind of violence that we've seen in portland and here and other places. it's tremendous violence. that's what you should be focusing on with your question. >> see, you heard right there the president dismiss the issue, despite saying he wanted to heal racial tensions before he left

for wisconsin to meet with law enforcement and tour businesses damaged by the protest. today he once again defended off thissers who used excessive force. >> you have people that choke. they're under tremendous -- i said it yesterday. i said it last night. they're under tremendous pressure. >> so, the president claimed that some officers choke in tough situations like a golfer might choke. >> you know, a choker, they choke. shooting the guy in the back many times, i mean, couldn't you have done something different? couldn't you have wrestled -- you mean, in the meantime, he might have been going for a weapon. and there's a whole big thing there. but they choke, just like in a golf tournament. they miss a three-foot -- >> so, that comparison prompted an outcry from critics who say it's insulting to the victims of police violence and to the officers who are trained to protect and serve. the president is making his priorities clear, and they do

not include addressing systemic racism or holding police accountable. they do include baseless claims about racism and the protests. >> a person on the plane said there were about six people like that person more or less, and what happened is the entire plane filled up with the looters, anarchists, rioters, people that were obviously looking for trouble. and the person felt very uncomfortable on the plane. >> so, the president keeps throwing this out there, but not offering any evidence for that claim, only saying it's under investigation. but this is a serious charge, bun that is designed to fan the flames, not ease tensions and not address the kind of change that people across the country are calling for. kaitlan collins is "outfront." she's life outside the white house for us. and kaitlan, why can't the president acknowledge this is systemic racism?

>> reporter: it's not because he's not being asked about it because he was asked several times during that round table today. he made very clear that was not a subject he wanted to linger on. the second time he told the reporter, you keep getting to the opposite subject. he made it clear he want to focus on what he went there for which was not to talk to jacob blake's family or the reform. he want to talk about the cities in the aftermath, the result of the protests that came of course after the police shooting of jacob blake. that is what the president wanted to focus on. it was clear from his agenda today but also clear from what he was telling reporters. he's made the distinction many times where he is basically differentiating what is happening in these officer involved situations where he is saying basically it is something that rarely happens, saying there are few officers who make mistakes and have a pristine career and then this happens and that becomes the subject. instead of talking about how it is a white officer and it is

another black man that has been shot by a white officer. and that is something that you see those protesters in kenosha, wisconsin, say they want to talk about. it wasn't just supporters who greeted the president. it was protesters as well. the president made clear that is not where he believed the focus should be. he said he believes there needs to be greater appreciation for law enforcement and that's something we've heard the vice president himself echo when he was asked about the jacob blake shooting. he called it a complicated situation. he said they're not going to reflexively condemn police officers. that is something the president and the vice president and their campaign believes is going to be an effective message going into november, pam. >> yep, politics. kaitl kaitlan collins at the white house. "outfront" now, van jones, former adviser to president obama, and isaiah mckinnon,

former detroit police chief and former deputy may r i don't of detroit. thank you for coming on. i want to start with you. you heard the president say he does not think there is systemic racism by police, just a few bad apples that choke under pressure. the president avoided the question. he said we should be talking about violence in portland and kenosha. what is he missing? >> well, i think he's missing the whole point, which is that you now have millions and millions of white americans who might have ducked the same way three months ago, four months ago, might have tried some figure out some way not to answer the question who now agree -- polls show an unbelievable overwhelming majority of white americans accept that african-americans are not being treated fairly, especially by police, don't have the same shots their own kids

do, and want something done about it. you can argue it should be this solution or that solution. but the basic idea that racism is much worse in this country than most people were willing to acknowledge three or four months ago, that's settled in the pooling data including among republicans. so, the president is out of step, not just with facts but with public opinion, even a large number of republicans. >> ben, how do you see it? >> this president just keeps doubling down on his tried and true strategy. the way that he came on the scene in politics was to flame the fans -- was to fan the flames of hate. the way he became president was to fan the flames of hate. now he's trying to become the president again by fanning the flames of hate. and the trouble of course is that the violence keeps getting worse, and the risk just to our daily lives keeps getting worse and the prayer and hope is that most people will decide enough is enough. we cannot have four more years

of donald trump. >> chief, the president compared police shootings to golf. i want to play more of that for you. >> the police are under siege because of things -- they can do 10,000 great acts, which is what they do, and one bad apple or a choker -- a choker, they choke. >> meaning they -- >> shooting the guy in the back many times, i mean, couldn't you have done something different? couldn't you have wrestled them? you know, i mean -- in the meantime, he might have been going for a weapon. and you know, there's a whole big thing there. but they choke. just like in a golf tournament they miss a three-foot -- >> you're not comparing it to golf because of course that's what the media will say. >> i'm saying people choke. >> he did compare it to golf. chief mckinnon, you served on the police force for 25 years. are these shootings just like choking at golf, or is there, in fact, systemic racism by police?

>> pam, let me say this, as a person who's been involved with law enforcement since 1965, who was shot at by fellow officers, who was beat up by fellow officers, i would ask anyone who says there's no systemic racism in our police departments around the country to interview not only people like myself but all of the black police chiefs, all of the black police officers in this country, and ask them if they believe there's systemic racism for officer who is suffered worse than i have. they know and they've seen this. i just did an interview with a station in which they interviewed myself. they interviewed a young lady who's 20 years younger who's retired from l.a.p.d. and young man from ohio police department who's 20 years younger. so, we have 40 years different and we're talking about the same thing, that racism exists. and until we get a handle on telling the truth about it, we're just going to continue to have these kinds of problems.

>> what have you experienced? you say you believe it exists. what have you experienced personally? >> well, when i was 14 years old, i was severely beat up by detroit police. that's why i became a police officer. i made myself a promise at the time that i was going to become different and make sure i was joining the detroit police department and make sure that those kinds of things did not happen to me or to other people like me. ironically, as i joined the detroit police department, i realized there were so many officers who still maintained or man feed those same kind of ideas and officers that beat me up. i stopped officers from beating people up. in addition to that, i talked to police chiefs when i was chief. and every black police chief -- every black police chief -- said that he or she had experienced similar kinds of things that i did. when someone says there's no systemic racism, you have it in

the police department, in the military, in so many different areas within our country. >> and the historical context, why is that significant, van? >> well, look, i think that we are -- we had an opportunity this summer, and i think it's still present. a real continent of common ground kind of emerged out of the ocean of tears shed justifiably for what happened to mr. george floyd. people felt, hey, this isn't right. and that video brought something out in ordinary people. they wanted to see something done. now, the legislation is stuck in congress, but there's an opportunity to move something forward. the presidential contest could be a contest of who has the better solutions to getting policing that works for more people. instead, it's now divided into this law and order as if people

of color don't want law and don't want order. so, that's, i think, a big mistake and its unfortunate. >> to that point, ben, what struck me listening to the president today, he was so focused on thinking law enforcement and just simply didn't want -- simply wanted to avoid the question when he was pressed further on systemic racism. but, like van pointed out, you can still want law and order. you can think police officers, but you can acknowledge that there's a problem here. >> i think the chief's points were right on point. as he spoke, i thought about all the black officers who i met with when i was running the naacp. even just state troopers across this country, just massive problems with racism on the force. officers in cities across this country who are afraid to be in plain clothes because they're

afraid they're going to be shot. it brings me back to my experiences of racial profailing and the fears it creates. my grandfather, whenever he would drive outside baltimore city would drive 10 miles under the speed limit. it would drive me crazy because we were going to the beach, but he was afraid of what his fellow members of law enforcement would do to his family. you can't deny it. to have a president who on the one hand refuses to condemn vigilantes who kill people, on the other hand refuses to meet with a family who has been shot in the back seven times and on the other hand refuses to admit systemic racism exists on the force, van, it's wildly out of step with what most people in both parties understand to be true. >> chief mcgwennen, i want to give final thoughts to you. what kind of impact does it have when the president sends out a message like this?

>> it's a tremendous impact to certain people obviously. let me say this, if one wants to prove this just very simply, go to any port in any major city in this country and the greatest number of people are people of color. even if you go to the suburban communities where there are very few blacks, you will sima jorty of people are people of color or brown people. it's amazing to see this. you can check the activity log sheets of officers in every community and see who they stop. and it's not just because black people or brown people are bad drivers. there are things that officers do on purpose. look, i'm a person that's been involved in law enforcement since 1965. i love it. i really believe that there are great things that we do. however, we have to make sure that we don't have the kind of people on that's going to do the kinds of things that we see that's occurring in our country

right now. >> chief mckinnon, ben, van, thank you for coming on to share your important perspective. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and "outfront" up next, the president is addressing the shooting of jacob blake. though trump couldn't bring himself to mention his name. >> i feel terribly for anybody that goes through that. plus, they may be more comfortable, but are they effective? a new study on face shields and whether they can protect you from getting or spreading coronavirus. and then trump has his doctor release a statement today about his health, denying he had a series of ministrokes. why is he talking about this now? he sleep number 360 smart bed. can it help with snoring? i've never heard snoring. exactly. no problem. ...and done and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. only for a limited time.

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to the president's visit? >> reporter: well, pam, there was no doubt a lot of angst about the president coming here to kenosha, particularly at this particular time. the law enforcement, aided by the national guard and federal authorities, had really calmed the situation here. the protests and the violence were not nearly as bad as they were in the days after the shooting of jacob blake. there was a concern, particularly from blake's family, and those close to him that the president coming here may reignite some of that chaos and some of the concern that the folks that are protesting have about the way police have handled the situation, in particular because president trump has spent most of his time focused on the outgrowth of what happened after the shooting, as opposed to the shooting itself. and you could tell that that happened continued today during this visit here. he spent most of his time talking to law enforcement. he did tour the abandoned -- the destruction that came from a burned out furniture business. that was playing into the

president's broader message about law and order, restoring law and order, and trying to bring calm and peace to the area. the blake family has been very clear they do not want politics to play in the investigation of jacob blake's shooting. but pam, it is very difficult for that to happen, particularly because of where this took place. kenosha, wisconsin, is a key battleground. of course the state of wisconsin is an important battleground. it's a state that president trump narrowly won back in 2016, but kenosha itself, a county that has generally voted for democrats in presidential election cycles, went to president trump last time but only by 300 votes. this county, these people dealing with this tragedy are going to play an important role in the 2020 election. >> worth pointing that out. thank you so much. "outfront" now, anthony davis the president of the kenosha naacp chapter.

and motley was representing gauge gross kroits. president trump said he believed his visit could increase love, respect and enthusiasm for the country. do you think he accomplished that today? >> i'm going to say that with his visit here and his comments, he did talk about love. he talked about law enforcement and supporting law enforcement. that's not talking about love in our community. if he wanted to talk about love, he should have mentioned jacob blake's name and the two young men that died and the gentleman that got shot in the arm. that would have been talking about love, showing concern for those families that have lost their children and family members. and jacob blake sitting in a hospital. that would have been love for

me. >> and kimberly, as you pointed out, the president did not meet with blake's family directly. he did not visit your client who was recovering from being shot. do you think the president missed an opportunity to help the situation in kenosha? >> i think unfortunately, yes, the president missed an opportunity to help the situation in kenosha. you think that what you're seeing now is that people, particularly the blake family, is really trying to do things to make the community come together, which i think is very admirable of them considering what they're going through at this point in time. since the president won't step up, people around the country and people in kenosha, wisconsin, particularly the blake family and protesters out here are stepping up to be leaders in the community to say enough is enough and try to continue to promote and fight for black lives. >> and anthony, you were with the family earlier today.

what was their reaction to the president's visit and his focus more on the unrest in the city after the shooting of jacob blake than jacob himself? >> i'll say this, they were more focused on the family, you know, the children and trying to find a way through this and try to make a positive spin on this. their focus was not on the president because, you know, like i said, the way they feel about him now, it's not in a positive light. and one thing i've got to say, the pastor that he had here today, pastor james ward and his wife, that's the pastor for his mother, julie jackson, but he's not a resident of kenosha. from what i've heard, he's a

pastor in illinois. so, i wanted to get that out there for our folks here in kenosha to understand. if you're going to come here and talk to religious leaders, talk to the religious leaders here in kenosha. that would have been the right thing to do. >> and those religious leaders, they would have been willing to meet with him? >> i don't know. i can't answer that. but i was told by one of the religious leaders here in town who this pastor was today. >> okay. really quick before we let you go, kimberly, i wanted to get to what the president said last night about kyle rittenhouse, the man police say shot your client at a protest. >> you saw the same tape as i saw. and he was trying to get away from them, i guess, it looks like. and he fell. and then they very violently attacked him, and it was something that we're look at right now and it's

underinvestigation. but i guess he was in very big trouble. he would have been -- he probably would have been killed. >> so, in the criminal complaint against rittenhouse, prosecutors say an object that was in your client's hand appears to be a firearm. the president is saying rittenhouse was acting in self-defense. your response? >> well, i guess my response is this, i think the president should stick to politics and keep out of the legal game because that doesn't work well for him generally. basically i think we need to ask more questions. we need to ask, why is -- who else was helping the shooter with regards to helping the two young men and shooting my client, shooting a man and injuring my client? we need to know who did he call on the phone? who's the one that threw him that bag right before he started shooting? there are other people out there that should be at large that should be arrested now, and i think those are the questions we should be asking. because there are a lot of very

dangerous people that are out there. and even though kyle may have pulled the trigger, there were a lot of people that put bullets in that gun. and we need to find them. >> and it is still under investigation. kimberly motley, anthony davis, thank you so much. >> thank you. "outfront," up next, experts at the national institutes of health breaking with president over the use of convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus patients. what they're saying tonight. plus, why is trump all of a sudden insisting that he didn't have ministrokes when he made a surprise trip to walter reed. we'll be back. now is the time for a new bath from bath fitter. every bath fitter bath is installed quickly, safely, and beautifully, with a lifetime warranty. go from old to new. from worn to wow.

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. breaking news, a major blow to a coronavirus therapy pushed by president trump. three dozen experts on a panel with the national institutes of health say there's not enough evidence to back the use of convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus patients. this comes one week after the fda gave emergency authorization for it. dianne gallagher is "outfront." >> reporter: a national institutes of health panel says doctors should not use convalescent plasma as a

standard of care for covid-19 until more study has been done. this is a little more than a week after the fda authorized emergency use t and president trump prads it. >> at incredible rate of action. >> reporter: but the national institutes of health saying in a statement today, quote, there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of convalescent plasma for the treatment of covid-19. there are now three potential coronavirus vaccines in phase three human trials here in the united states, but dr. anthony fauci is cautioning that proven safety is far more important than speed when it comes to vaccines. >> you don't want a vaccine to be available widely to the american public unless it's been shown to be safe and effective. >> reporter: after saying that a vaccine could be authorized for emergency use or even approved before human trials are completed, fda commissioner dr. stephen hahn now says he would

consider resigning if he was pushed to authorize a vaccine before it was ready. >> i think all options are on table. i hope we won't be in that position. >> reporter: if one is approved, it's expected to initially be in short supply. >> a lot of the companies are also saying they'll have to do vaccines that are not single dose but double dose vaccines. >> reporter: so, who gets it? today an independent committee appointed to help advice the federal government released a four phase proposal that starts with health care workers, first responders. admiral garrard announced $5 tests will be sent out within weeks but is tired of being asked. >> i don't have live in a utopian world. i live in a real world. the real world had no tests for this disease when it first

started. >> dr. ashish jha reported on twitter, that's what sports get right now. sure, let's call it utopia when it's for the less privileged. the average number of daily koess and deaths have declined over the past seven days as the coronavirus surge now appears to be moving from the south to the midwest. but officials are concerned what about labor day weekend might bring since cases spiked in many areas in the weeks after memorial day weekend and the forth of july. >> as we approach labor day, let me encourage people to be mindful the virus is still looking for you. so, if you come together, then you will give it a home. >> reporter: and going back to convalescent plasma, that nih panel essentially said that there's just not data that shows that it helps. in fact, nothing at this point has been serged to see if maybe it can hurt patients further down the line.

this is just another example, pamela, of the american people being told one thing by the government and a couple days later being told something totally different, the opposite from medical professionals and researchers. and that doesn't do a lot to inspire confidence, especially when people want something to work. they want help. they want things to get better. it becomes hard to feel confident for a lot of people in what they're being told and whether or not politics are playing a role in this. >> right. and that is a big concern. i mean, are there risks with using it? there's a lot more to discuss wit comes to that. dianne gallagher, thank you so much. let's discuss it. "outfront" now, dr. sanjay gupta and dr. william schaffner, former cdc official and professor of infectious diseases at vanderbilt. thank you for coming on. you just heard the report. the nih panel says there's not enough evidence backing up the use of convalescent plasma to treat patients a week after the

fda issued authorization for it. what is your reaction? and what are the risks, since this is being used on patients right now? >> yeah, well, you know, if you go back even a little bit further in the timeline, this past sunday is when the emergency use authorization came out. if you go back to the thursday before, that's when the nih, actually dr. collins and dr. fauci, actually both said at that time they didn't think there was enough data to warrant an emergency use authorization. and then three days later, the eua was authorized. it happened. you know, the president had tweeted out in between saying, you know, the fda better see the light or they're going to feel the heat, or something like that. so, there was concern that this was done because of pressure, obviously. as you correctly mentioned, some of the data around that was exaggerated. with we don't know. that's the issue the nih is

making here. if you look at the study, it compared patient who is got a higher dose of the convalescent plasma, patient who is got a lower dose and compared those two. you did not have a group that received convalescent plasma at all, a placebo, so to speak. we don't have enough data to know is this working, is it something else to patients we're giving or even safety questions you're racing. >> yeah, data is important. what do you think dr. schaffner? are you concerned there was political influence with this? >> well, the political influence seems to have been widely reported, and it certainly looks that way. the food and drug administration was established to provide safe medications and effective medications. but particularly safe ones for the american people. and since the beginning of covid, its reputation has been tarnished because there have been a number of decisions, this regarding convalescent plasma is only the most recently, we have

the whole hydroxychloroquine fiasco and before then some release of serologic tests that had not been vetted very carefully. this is another agency that needs to restore its reputation because a very large decision is looming regarding vaccines. and many of us are very concerned that that also might be influenced by politics. >> right. i mean, that's the question. that's -- you raise a great point. is this a road trust as we look ahead to vaccine and the fda is in charge of giving approval from a vaccine. we just heard from han. now he's saying he would resign if he faced pressure. he previously said he would be willing, sanjay, to approve a vaccine before it finished phase three trials. >> yeah, i mean, i followed this along very closely, and dr. schaffner is absolutely correct. we're hearing the same thing from our sources.

there is this concern, this concern about the trust now in this agency from many public health officials outside the federal government. that's obviously a concern. i will point out, and pamela, you know this. but the barbie which a vaccine could be authorized should be much higher than a therapeutic. a vaccine is given to healthy people. if you look at the specific language for how they actually create an eua, they basically say the fda can grant this eua if there is no acceptable alternative to what's out there. but with the vaccine, the alternative is, you know, we wear masks, we physically distance, we do all the things that we've been talking about for some time, which i know makes people's eyes glaze over. but it is worth pointing out there many countries around the world that have returned to sense of normalcy without the vaccine. if the vaccine can get back to sense of normalcy, that is true. but there is a reasonable

alternative that allows us to make sure this vaccine is safe and effective. that usually takes some time. >> i want to talk about where we are as a country with the coronavirus eight months into this, dr. schaffner. cnn learned that the white house task force sent a report warning iowa that it has the highest rate of cases in the u.s., increasing by 77% in a week. this comes as iowa state university prepares to host 25,000 fans for its football game in less than two weeks. how dangerous is this? >> it's very dangerous, of course. that's exactly what we shouldn't be doing, bringing 25,000 people together. i know its outside, but think of all of the partys that will go on before and after. and so all of those people together, you can be sure that the coronavirus will also be attending and also be spreading during those circumstances. we should be very careful now throughout the midwest, this

virus is now spreading. we need to do just the opposite. >> yeah -- go head. >> thank you. we just need to be doing the opposite. we should be very cautious, very careful, not attending these large mass gatherings. >> right. it's like a game of whack amole, sanjay. it'll pop up somewhere, and once that gets under control it pops up somewhere else. i remember it wasn't long ago, after the fourth of july holiday, we saw this surge of cases. you see the cases, the hospitalization numbers go up and the deaths go up. are you concerned with the labor day holiday coming up and of course fall that we could see a similar surge? >> you know, i am concerned about this. and i get no joy in saying that, pamela. >> of course. >> i know people are getting really sick of this. you've got labor day. we've got schools reopening as well, which, you know, because of football games, like dr.

schaffner was saying, or just clustering students together. i mean, the virus behaves in a very predictable way. do you know what also behaves in a very predictable way? college kids. they're going to be gathering together doing things. within the next couple of months you're going to superimpose flu season on this. we hate to keep being the ones ringing the bell on this, but this is real time. this is what's happening. >> you have to ring the bell though. it's just the reality of where we're, even if we're fatigued from the coronavirus. even if we're over it. as we've heard time and time again, uts not over us. sanjay, dr. schaffner. thank you so much. "outfront" next, cnn special report the coronavirus pushed america's economy to the brink. and while wall street is thriving, main street is not. why is that? new questions about trump's health after his doctor is told to issue a rare statement following the report that the vice president was on stand by to take over during trump's unannounced visit to walter

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about the coronavirus and its immense impact on americans. more than 14 million people are out of work. millions more are facing possible eviction. and congress and the white house are still deadlocked over providing americans more financial relief. vanessa ve vanessai vanessa yourier kay vich is "outfront." >> it's like a ghost town out here. >> reporter: tam my is back with her food cart after five months off the street. >> what got you back out here on the street again? >> needing to be able to feed my family. >> reporter: months into the pandemic, millions are still out of work, and more than 100,000 small businesses have closed. treadwell says she applied for grants from the city and a ppp loan but hasn't gotten either. >> the responses i've gotten is

there isn't enough money or you don't hear anything back at all. >> but even with the ppe loan, for some it didn't go far. >> as it was designed, we ran out of that money a little bit longer than eight weeks it lasted. but still, we are way past that 8-week point. >> louie za santos opened lou lou's ice cream in miami. she emigrated to the u.s. from columbia for the american dream. now she's cutting her salary. she's hoping congress will pass a third stimulus bill for her small business. >> we are not in a good place in our economy. and what we need is support to get through the rough patch. >> but the u.s. jobs recovery is stalling. less than 50% of the 22 million jobs lost in march and april are back online. more than a million people have filed for unemployment each week

except one since mid-march. and the extra $600 a week in unemployment benefits have exopyred. >> i'm behind in my rent like everybody else. we're food insecure like everybody else. >> reporter: still, some parts of the u.s. economy are thriving. u.s. tech companies have recovered and then some. the top five in the u.s. are now worth a collective $7 trillion. but there's a disconnect between wall street and main street. while stocks are hitting records, up to 40 million americans could face eviction by the end of the year without a new stimulus bill. >> if you leave us out, we're going to have bad streaks. the economy's not going to get back up and running because we are the life blood of main stream america. >> the pandemic is also exposing a harsh reality for women of color. the highest rate of unemployment is among latina workers. and black women in jobs deemed

essential to covid-19 recovery make up to 27% less than white men. >> we are being affected more significantly than other business owners. and we need that support. >> i know for a fact, as a social economic disadvantage for us for as long as i can remember. please think about the street vendors who are out here who are really just trying to make a good honest living. >> and this is why a stimulus bill is so critical because it addresses so many different parts of the economy. it can help put an eviction moratorium and unemployment, student debt and it can help to freeze payment on certain rents that people owe. and when you put money into the hands of everyday day ameriamery

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tonight, the white house is responding to new questions about president trump's health and his mysterious visit to walter reed medical center. the president's physician issued a statement today that said he could confirm rather that the president has not experienced nor been evaluated for stroke, mini stroke or any acute cardiovascular emergencies as have been incorrectly reported in the media. to be clear, no major or

reputable news outlet claimed trump suffered quote mini strokes but comes as a new book claims vice president pence was put on alert to take over duties of president if trump had to be put under anesthesia during the november 2019 trip to walter reed. dr. jonathan winer the director of the cardiac cath lab and advised under president george w. bush. great to see you, dr. ryan eine. that statement did not layout what happened that day. do you believe they are using a strong man argument to address what didn't happen? >> of course. something obviously happened on november 16th in the afternoon on a saturday, the president was hurried in an urgent fashion in an unplanned fashion to walter reed. now the white house has medical capabilities so if the president

was taken to walter reed, he was taken there because there was something going on that they could not either treat or evaluate at the white house, and the white house does not want us to know what that is. if they did, the president's position today would have simply said he didn't have any neurological or cardiac problem. he simply had x. but then -- >> or say -- >> don't know what x is. >> or a private matter. vice president pence and i want to go back to the question about whether the president's health should be a private matter. before we get to that, vice president pence was asked moments ago about being an alert that day and here is what he said. >> it was nothing out of the ordinary about that moment or that day and i just refer any other questions to the white house physician. >> as far as being on stand by? >> i don't recall being told to be on stand by. >> you would think, well, if you were told to be on stand by to be the president, you would

remember that but do you believe him? >> i think in the watergate era, they call that a non-denial denial. so you would think that if on a saturday afternoon you were called and said you need to be on stand by if you suddenly need to become president this afternoon, yeah, you might remember that. so, yeah, that's -- vice president is being disingenuous. we do need to know what happened that day. >> let's talk about that. why is it important for the public to know about the president's health and is it something the president or white house could say look, this is a private matter and we don't want to discuss the president's health any further? >> yeah, so if the president was a private citizen, that would make perfect sense. but the president is not. in this election season, we need to know the health of the candidates for president. i've actually written about this. we know nothing actually about the health of the president of the united states. if you remember, his clearance to run for office was famously

pinned by dr. bornstein in new york and said the president drafted it for him. said if he elected, he would be the healthiest man to hold office. we know nothing about the health of the president of the united states but holds nuclear launch codes in his pocket. we require health clearances for airline pilots and school bus drivers and secret service agents. we should probably know the health of the president of the united states. >> and it's interesting as doctors have often used as you point out hyperbole he could live until he was 200. really quick, is there any scenario where it would make sense for the vice president to be on stand by for a routine physical for the president? >> not for a routine physical. if the president was going to receive unconscious sedation, if he needs to be put out, let's say he was having a colonoscopy

or surgery with a general anesthes anesthesia, the 25th amendment would be evoked. >> not for a are yroutine matte? >> never. >> hey, that visit continues. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. the president of the united states traveled to kenosha, wisconsin today where a white police officer shot a black man jacob blake seven times in the back yet listening to the remarks there, you would barely know mr. blake even existed. john berman in for anderson. it was a full hour and 15 minutes into his visit before he spoke of the incident at all only when asked about it. this is what the president said about mr. blake's mother. >> i guess she's a very fine woman. i was going to speak to her, but then i heard there were a lot of lawyers on the phone. i said i have enough lawyers in my life. >> enough lawyers in his life. there is michael cohen who helped him aan