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ocpredure would require that. those are the types of things, the visit was just over an hour, so typically not long enough to have had that, did something occur and resolve? we still don't know, it's still a big mystery. >> we certainly don't, the way the president and vice president are addressing it, doesn't aswathe the concerns. thank you very much. the news continues. >> i tell you this, having had to go through convalescent care with my father, you don't ask for one of those acuity tests, the clinician offers it. based on his or her thoughts about the patient. remember that. he can brag about how well he did on the test. it's only offered to people by clinicians who have questions about the acuity of the patient. good to see you. i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time, as we know, this president was urged not to go to kenosha today. why? we know why. the place is fragile. and obviously.
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anybody wanting it to be better would know what to do, we all do. you go to a place with a problem like that, you acknowledge the problem, you say look, i hear you, i understand your pain, i understand that you're hurt. i will make things better, i have the power and i have the will, and you have my promise. we need to be better than what's happening in these streets. you can't go backwards and think that's going to get you progress. we've come together we'll get to a better place together. common sense, right? trump did none of that. he actually went to a place that is broken by division and increased the divide and i submit to you he did it on purpose. he blamed the people fighting for justice and said the problem is what they're doing, not what has been done to them in communities all over our country
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by police, by lenders, by employers, by courts. in stead, trump said this systemic inequality of which you speak, it does not exist. >> i don't believe that. i think the police are doing an incredible job. and i think you do have some bad apples. they call it choking and it happens. >> do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country? >> you just keep getting back to the opposite subject. we should talk about the kind of violence we've seen in portland and here and other places, it's tremendous violence. you always get to the other side, what do you think about this or that? >> why mr. acuity test passing genius? why would you decide to talk about the symptom of a problem if you want to fix a problem? we all get the obvious, nobody
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is saying we should condone or be complicit in looting and rioting, that's crime, it's not progress. we all know it, it's beyond question. what is all of that? it's an ugly unacceptable outgrowth, but nonetheless a symptom, trump went to a tinder box and started throwing in matched to these people. the real problem that you say, what happens to you, doesn't exist? your outrage, that's the problem. all this unrest on his watch. think about it, we saw no chained protests like this under obama or any other president in our lifetime. he goes to the hotspot and makes it worse? think about that. the only violent act that he didn't condemn is the one by his own supporter who took to the streets last weekend with a gun the law didn't allow him to carry, and is charged with
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shooting and killing two protesters. that violence trump defended yesterday. so why did he come if not to make things better? looking at what he said and how he said it, you have to think, he may have gone there to make it worse. why would he do that? because don't you think at this point that he believes this violence scares you enough that you may think you need him to fix the violence that he has had happen on his watch? he came into office promising to end it, now it's gotten worse and he says, he's the only one that can fix it. if he does get it right, and the fear wins him wisconsin. that could be his path to victory. remember, though, he laid out a vision of american carnage in his inaugural address. i alone can fix it. all of this badness is happening on his watch and in part because
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of his failure to address why it's happening. his answer is, i'll tell you why it's happening. joe biden, the democratic party. they're not in power. the president doesn't want to make things better. we have to accept it, the challenge becomes how do we do it without him on the local level. let's bring in kenosha's mayor, he's pushing back. john antaramian. did i do it okay? >> you did it right. >> let's talk about the time line and then go into the depth of what you need to do to heal your community. >> okay. >> how worried were you today when you heard the president blaming people for being angry at what they've seen in their streets and what they've seen happen to too many people time and again in their communities?
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>> you know, when you listen to what he had to say, i look at things from a different perspective, i look at it from my community. and i'll give the example, this weekend i was out and about visiting the uptown, the downtown, the areas that have been hardest hit, talking with people. there were people working to clean up the area. people were together trying to make sure that the buildings were painted. we had murals being done. people were talking to each other, and people were working together. i think that's the image of kenosha i want people to have. i'm more interested in what my community is going to do to solve our problems and to become a better place. >> are you worried that what he said today may foment the problems? >> i always worry. i don't believe kenosha is going
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to have that problem, i believe in my community. and i believe the people in our community are going to work together to solve part of our problems. and we have problems. we need to deal with the issues of racism. what you'll find is kenosha is going to come back and come back stronger than ever. >> i don't suggest if you want the violence on the streets to end you say there is no such thing as systemic racism like the president did today. what is the answer? what do you say to people in the streets about what is driving them to desperation. the looters, the krcriminals they've made a choice to what they oppose. what do you say to those who are desperate and not sure there's any real chance of positive change? >> when you look at it, you have
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to look at it like this, those looters are not kenosha, they came from the outside. if we put those folks aside, what do we need to do in our community? my father had an old saying that everybody talks but no one listens. and that is the trick i believe -- or the real way of us solving our problems, we need to start listening to each other, we need to spend time talking to people and listen to what they're telling us. what are the problems they're facing. i spent a good part of my day today meeting with the clergy, brought in a gentleman from the department of justice, to have him help us start the process of moving forward. >> how much of it is about training and culture within the
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police? like how they do the job. i don't subscribe to this black heart theory. you just have racism within the police and that's how it is, i don't subscribe to that. i think it's as much about training and contact with the community as it is about anything that's in someone's head or heart. how do you deal with that? >> one of the things we're doing is setting up kbhtcommittees, a we're going to use the department of justice and clergy to help us with listing sessions. i have a group of committees that are being created. one will be dealing with police communications and -- >> you have locals on the committee? >> it will all be locals. it will be a large group, a diverse group. it's not going to be just the normal folks that are involved in the police and fire commission. you. >> have to let the communities feel like they have equity in how they're being policed, that
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these people work for them. >> you're absolutely correct, that's what we're trying to do. >> the police chief will be involved. the community will be involved, and we're going to review the things that we're doing, if it comes out we're not doing enough training, we need to look at what kind of training needs to be done, and how do we implement the new training? >> don't you know you need more change? when you watch the video of what happened with jacob. they couldn't find another way of keeping him, following him around a car. i learned a lesson today. you jumpingp too fast to the interaction, it's how you de-escalate, that's where the training is, there's so many ways to get people to be more cooperative with what's happening, before any force is
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needed, but once it is needed. these officers need to know how to handle situations without using a taser or a gun, don't you agree? >> i do agree. i look at training, and i'm doing it very broad. as we're having a discussion. i'm trying to get across the point we're working as a group and a committee, and they're going to look at everything. as they do, they'll pinpoint the areas we need to modify, and where we need types of training. the other piece of this, there may be things that need to be changed from the state level, not just the local level. a lot of the training comes from the state, so we're going to be looking at all those aspects of what is going on, so we improve on what we do and how we do it, we need to make sure people feel safe. police and the community are working together. because only in that is the community going to be safe and prosper. >> are you going to allow ideas
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of getting them out of cruisers, getting cops back on the beat, talking to people in their own terms? >> actually, we do a fair amount of that now in kenosha, i have a couple beat patrols in the up and downtown areas. we also tie it into some of our educational programs in the sense of summer programs in the parks. so that officers and young people interact. actually, since you brought it up, if you don't mind me slipping into something that is important to me. one of the key issues in fixing our whole system is as we set up these committees, we have education. we have the police department, we have employment, all those things we're talking about in general. i think the key one is dealing with the youth. that is one of the most important things we can do.
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we have too many young black men who we're losing. and we're losing them because they don't see worth, that they have self-worth, that is our problem we need to start addressing. we need to make programs in place to help these young people. to make it that they're the next police officer or they're the next firefighter, the next mayor. whatever it is they wish to do, they have to feel the confidence they can do it, and we need to find ways of changing how we're doing things to make that occur. >> more avenues to dignity, less deadends that leave them with bad choices. >> yes. >> mayor, you have a tough task, you have the national spotlight on you. it doesn't make anything any easier, unfortunately, but it doesn't make it any less important either. we will stay watching, and we're hear for you as a platform to make your case about what's
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working and not working. >> kenosha is a community that will succeed and we will move forward and we will be better for it. >> i hope so, we need bess in this country on a lot of levels. take care sir, god bless, going-forward. >> thank you for having me. i say it's an argument, i see it more as a matter of fact to be honest. if the president wants to protect people, if he's about law and order, why doesn't he quit doing this? >> if you feel more comfortable, you'll say a couple words, you may want to take the masks off otherwise you can leave them on. look how fast you took them off. >> what is with him and masks. they said they weren't sure, that was months ago. people used to think the earth was flat too. why did he politicize this, why
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today a panel convened by the national institutes of health says there's no evidence to support using convalescent plasma. yes, this is the same treatment the president touted as historic when the fda approved an emergency use authorization for it just last week. the n.i.h. panel says no, the fda says yes. where does that leave us? let's bring in chief doctor dr. sanjay gupta. especially since i was going to go down the road of the double needle. they take your blood, spin it and put it back. it would have been a major exercise in fainting for me. >> this is disappointing. the way this all unfolded, on a sunday, that's when the emergency use authorization was granted. if you go back in time to the
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thursday before, the n.i.h. had showed their cards, they said, the data isn't there, and then sunday it happens anyway, the authorization is granted. and on monday, steven hang sort of says, look, i exaggerated the data a bit, but the authorization civil stands. this obviously is what -- this sort of thing happens. there's a lot of enthusiasm arrange convalescent plasma. now that this authorization is out there, if you're in the hospital and you're sick and there's this authorization, what are you going to say, i would like the plasma. maybe it will work, understandably if you're a patient, but it makes it impossible to collect the data you need to show it works. the only data they had, compared low dose plasma to high dose plasma. what was missing from that group
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is no plasma at all. >> you don't see this as a hydro hydroxychloroquine situation where it could be dangerous? it's something else? >> we don't have a comparison group to pla seep bow. the antibodies themselves. some may be great gold standard anti-bodies that are neutralizing the virus. some could cause a reaction in the recipient as well, and that could potentially be harmful. that's why you do studies. but you have to do the right studies. it's granted when there's no other alternative and you're up against the ropes. there was no good data behind this, and it might be hard to collect that now.
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>> now in terms of what we know works. rapid testing. there's word from the government that in september, they're going to send it all over the country. how real is this promise and how much of an impact will this level of distribution have. >> this is a brighter spot, i think, it's not a panacea by any means, but this abbott test we're talking about, they're able to make about 12 million tests a week, roughly 50 million tests a month. it's not enough to satisfy the demands overall, but this is significant. there was early data in terms of how accurate this test is, when it was tested in symptomatic people, within seven days of developing symptoms, it had 95 plus percent sensitivity. five times out of a hundred it would tell someone they were negative when they were not. that's pretty good.
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i think the big question is going to be, how well does it work in people who are asymptomatic. this idea of assurance testing, i'm coming to visit you in new york, i'd like to know i don't have the virus before i come into your house. is it possible to get that assurance in this test? we don't know how well it works in that situation. again the scale, the government says they're going to buy 750 million of these. they're going to go primarily to hot zones in the united states and nursing homes and places like -- >> couldn't they have done this five months ago? >> yeah, well, this is -- there's two issues here, and again, you've raised this from the beginning. the idea that the testing has been minimized, it's not necessarily easy to create a test like this, but had there been more of a focus on it, they could have had a great antigen
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test also. we keep talking about the dpa, you say, okay, we have a test that looks promising, data looks good, let's invoke some extra manufacturing capacity to really beef it up. i got three kids staying home from school, because they -- >> me too. >> we don't have enough testing, i'm not confident. >> me too. >> this is one of the ways you can help get kids back to school. i would love to know if my kid has the virus and if the kids around them, and the faculty and teachers around them have the virus too. we can't say that for sure. >> if we had done the testing months ago the way it could have been done, we wouldn't have the problem with schools now. we'd still have the problem with space, we'd still have friction with the teachers and understandably so, but we'd have a way of monitoring that would have gotten a lot more kids in a lot better situation than right now. who knows how much time we're going to lose. here's the tough topic, you want
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the good news or the bad news. >> good news. >> i am not alone and i am one of the lucky ones. this long haul syndrome thing is real. i had this doctor on last night that does scientific research. there are all these support groups popping up on facebook and elsewhere, where people are asymptomatic, they didn't feel nick, and then they get these weird symptoms, hypertension and weird lyme's disease kind of feeling. joint pain and other things, and then they have the mild cases where they loose their sense of smell and taste, like my wife, but it comes back as bad. now she smells and tastes a lot of things that were foul. i thought it was just me. turns out there are other things she finds to be sour in nature. then you have guys like me, where yes i'm better, absolutely, absolutely, my
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baseline breathing walk talk not 100%. my word recall, my thick tonguedness, el cushion, not where it needs to be. brain fog constant. after 7:00 at night, always interesting when you go on at 9:00. i'm not the best, unless i'm popping something that gives me a boost of energy. i haven't moved on to medicine yet. and lastly for me, it's random joint pains and depression. those have been getting worse and worse. now i haven't taken any medication, i was talking with my therapist today. a psychologist, they say, we've been waiting for your blood levels to come back down to normal, before we start messing with your body chemistry.
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but the emotional flatness is getting worse. there's less and less of my day where i feel the enthusiasm that i do. i may have to do something about it. i'm worried this is the real story, sanjay, that this is going to change the scale of what we have to deal with in the health system, even once people get better, they're going to have other stuff, stuff you're hearing about popcorn lung and embolisms and hair loss, all the stuff they're telling you about too, i'm hearing it all over the country, sanjay, i think it's the next big challenge. >> look, chris, you're my friend. i feel badly you're going through all this. i know a lot of people listen to you, and we tend to think of what's happening with this covid story in binary terms. you either get it and survive or people die, right?
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and yet there are people who are caught in between, they survived, but they're note recovered by any means. this long hauler thing is real, we're learning together, and i think just over the past couple months, we've had the luxury if you'll call it that to actually look at what recovery is like. we're trying to keep up with this disease for so long, we're saying, is this a prolonged infwi inflammation that affects -- >> or is it a blood vessel, is it not your lungs but your blood vessels. this new word we'll start hearing, bradykinen they're doing this testing on, if the virus comes in and doesn't just hit the receptors that go to smell and taste and your lung, but goes to all kinds of receptors in your body and starts screwing around with all your symptoms. >> yeah. i mean we think this is a
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respiratory virus, and you want to put it in a box to make it make sense to something you know. this virus as we're learning, it behaves like anything we've seen before. there's some people as you point out, seem to be relatively possi symptomatic, minimal symptoms in the beginning, and yet they have these persistent symptoms. i thought for certain when i talked to these long hauler doctors, the severitity of symptoms was going to correlate with the length. >> i'm hearing it from all over the country. they had it pretty easy, then their hair started falling out. this is one of the sequeli. when we use latin words, it's because we don't have anything better. sequeli in latin means something that follows. you'll hear that from doctors,
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oh, my hair is falling out. well, it's one of the sequeli. it's scary for people, it is coming back, and we don't know the time or how to accelerate it. i'm covering this, i'll bring in sanjay, so he can be on this listening tour as we get information we'll give it to you. we are actively researching what people are figuring out. i'm not going to sell you anything. ime tell you what i'm trying. i'm about to start some different nontoxic supplements, know prescribed medicine, nothing too crazy, that at least i'll tell you about, i'm going to try some things to build up my blood vessels on the working theory that if this attacks your blood vessels and that's why it's making us weak, maybe if i build up the stuff -- nitric oxide, the gas in the body that helps blood vessel development. >> dilation.
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>> may have to take viagra, one of the doctors told me. i swear to god, he told me that, low dose. just telling you. >> that dilates the blood vessels as well. as you may know. >> i knew i -- i was thinking about whether or not to give you that ammo on me. you can have it, use it all you like. if it helps me get better in anyway, i'll take it, i'll take anything. >> i got to say, it's good to see you smile. i've been watching you a lot, and i -- you talk about that blunted affect, if i can -- i noticed that a little bit, and i've been worried about you a bit. so we'll keep at it, but it's good to see you smile, buddy. >> here's the problem, you have a little bit of a laugh/cry deal. i'm dealing with it at home and at work, i'm having a hard time not being who i can be.
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this show is taking a lot out of me. i'm making due the best i can, i know i'm one of the lucky ones. i could be one of these other people that i'm meeting and learning and bonding with. i owe it to them to try to get us the best information i can, who better than you, i love you, sanjay, thank you for helping me tonight. >> i love you too. you got it buddy. >> a lot of hair, don't let anyone make you cut it. i may need some if mine falls out. we'll ping-pong back and forth between ping-pong and kenosha. my theory is, that's what the next 63, 62 days are about. these two issues are what forms a lot of your choices. back to kenosha, we have another wisconsin official who urged the president not to come today, very interesting. while we're focused so much on
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the black community in kenosha, wisconsin as a state is overwhelmingly white, like 87%. what does that mean in this dynamic of systemic inequality in that state and how it's being received? did you hear what happened with their legislature, when the governor convened an emergency session of the legislature to look at changes to address what happened in kenosha? meat! cheese! and nuts! p3. because 3 is better than 1
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all right, so here's what we know. the president's trip to kenosha wasn't about haelting, okay? it was about heating up the situation. to prove to his base that he is there to crush the people who are there committing the violence. law and order. it's all about a campaign built
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on fear. fear that you as the white voter primarily will think it would be worse under joe biden than under trump. this is not about trump saying, i'm good. think about that, trump's not talc you, see, i fixed it, told you i alone co fixed it, he's saying, the carnage got worse under my watch, but it will be even worse if it's biden. that message is the key to what is now a desperate race to the finish. especially in wisconsin. a state that's only elected one black man to statewide office, in terms of a perspective of how much purchase the white fear could have. that man is mandela barnes. governor, good to see you. >> it's really good to see you, thank you for having me. >> i know you say no, it's lieutenant governor. i was raised by a lieutenant
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governor before he was governor. he said always say governor. let's get into what matters, wisconsin is 87% white. the metropolis area that we're dealing with is 8% black. what does that mean in terms of the prospect of systemic equality and the resonance about trump's message is the problem of the people who are complaining, not their complaints. >> i can rewind this, because the state of wisconsin has a rich proud history. somewhere along the years we lost our way. we find ourselves steeped in some very extreme racial disparities. donald trump is going to try his best to play to his base.
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his trip didn't have anything to do with the blake family, the two people who were murdered in cold blood on the streets. it was to stoke more division and more fear among his base. this is not a state he's performing particularly well in at the moment. although he won four years ago. this trip is only going to make things first. a real leader would come to kenosha in hopes to heal the community. he didn't even pretend that's what he wanted to do in the first place. what do you think politically, does it work better for him in terms of winning wisconsin to ignore the pandemic and ignore the resulting economic pain of it and focus on this fear? hey, white people, these guys are going to come to your community next if biden's here, they're coming for you. do you think that will work? >> he's gone the better part of the year by ignoring the
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pandemic. he never took issues of racial justice seriously. this is the same campaign strategy he had four years ago, he has a different issue to look at and point to and say, this is how i intend to govern. as if he isn't governing at this moment. he's talking about this theoretical joe biden america, while we're currently living in trump's america. >> perception can be reality. >> this is our strategy. >> perception can be reality. and in a marquette university law school poll. mass protests following george floyd's death. june 27%. august minus 1%. that is a scary statistic if you're looking at it through the lens of, does selling fear work do you think this could win in wisconsin for him? >> fear is the only mo that he
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has, i hate to use that metaphor. it's the only thing he has in his pocket. poll numbers can't be what drives this conversation. we have to deal with the reality of what people are dealing with, you can talk about likely voters all you want to. the fact is, donald trump won with less votes than mitt romney. there are people waiting to be inspired by some candidate and some movement. i'm not going to base all my decisions on polk data, i'm going to do the work to heal kenosha, i think that voters will look favorably on some of the efforts that are taking place now. i had a chance to participate in a rally and a march with jacob blake's family. people from all across the area. all across the community all spectrums showed up, and they showed up with a message to demand justice the following day, a group of creatives, young
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people stepped up to assist the small business community. it hasn't just been dealing with the tough time because of what happened over the previous weekend. but before that. let me remind the viewers too, that kenosha is a blue collar town. the middle class there was built by the chrysler plant. when chrysler left it also left a dent. however, kenosha has been on the up and up. it's one of the fastest growing cities in the state. and we can go back to the opportunity that does or does not exist, but i think that in the wake of the shooting of jacob blake, so many folks are realizing that not everyone has access to that opportunity. and the great people of kenosha, the kind hearted people that you come to know in the state of wisconsin, they're ready for a better future for all of us, i think that you could look at those numbers right now, i see that as a point in time number. >> you think biden should come? >> i do think there's definitely room for biden to come.
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as he's talked about his need to run toward the light, to inspire people, to bring people together, that's what his campaign has been about. so joe biden, if you're listening, it would be a welcome visit. and i said i didn't want donald trump to come to wisconsin, because he failed to even -- he failed to decry what happened with the shooting, with the young man who travelled across state lines to murder two people in our state. and injure -- severely injure another with a long rifle. he shouldn't have had the weapon in the first place, he was out past curfew, everything. and donald trump refuses to condemn that act. and that shows that this is a president who's not ready to be president. although he's been president for 3 1/2 years. joe biden has delivered a clear message, his message is about hope, opportunity and rebuilding kenosha, rebuilding the state of wisconsin and doing the same thing across the country.
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because this isn't an isolated incident. this isn't something that's unique to kenosha wisconsin. this is an on going problem we've had to deal with, and joe biden has -- he's addressed racial injustice in america. i think the more we push, the more we fight, the mother we work. the more likely we are to realize that future or racial justice is at the forefront of conversation. >> right now you're at a starting point where the kid who was the trump supporter who did the shooting and killing allegedly is the only violent act that he defended, this president. in terms of being something that on some level was acceptable. we still have to know why the police in kenosha were being as buddy buddy with those white militants as they were -- >> that is the real question. >> lieutenant governor mandela barnes, hopefully we get the answer, we'll keep asking. and hopefully we get answers. good luck for better going-forward. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. [ heavy breathing ] allergies with nasal congestion overwhelming you?
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our next guest sums up the president's disinformation campaign perfectly. quote trump required the creation of a new species of presidential fact check in which you have to drag in some unsuspecting entity to correct him. boy scouts. babe ruth museum. portland fire and rescue. government of sweden. that tweet is from cnn fact check king. daniel dale. it's funny but it's funny sad because it is so embarrassing that the president of the united states has to be brought in to check on such a grotesque level. but let's try to focus on the ones that matter and thank you for being on. trump said portland has been burning for many years. here's a taste of his silliness.
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>> for a city like portland where the entire city is a blaze all the time. and the mayor says we don't want help fl the federal government. >> portland has been burning for yea years. decades. the people are tired of it. tired of living with this curse. >> curse, on fire for years, this is absurd. is there anything that you can find in that other than some twisted metaphor that has any credit? >> the grain of the truth is ongoing nightly plo protests where there have been fires set. trump turned those nightly fires into the entire city ablaze all the time. and the entire city for decades. that's not only not true but so untrue a spokesman for the fire department texted me after the
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briefing and said in all capitol letters with e awe are not abla in fires. he says they're small fires and none have required more than one fire engine to put out. of course it's troubling but the entire city being ablaze is non-sense. >> the truth would be a better story for the president. the pockets of violence are enough to spur the fear he wants. especially going there. one other one i want to get to. he talked about a plane loaded with thugs headed to the republican convention. and repeated this today. going to the convention to the plane was leaving the convention. i want to play t. >> in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs. wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms with gear and this and that. this person was coming to the republican national convention.
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and there were like seven people on the plane like this person. and a lot of people on the plane to do big damage. >> the entire plane filled up with looters and anarchists and rye you rioters. people looking for trouble. it was a fist hand account the plane going from washington to where ever. >> the president has access to the most complete information. but probably saw this on twitter. this is fundamental on the fear campaign. they're coming to get you. is there any truth about what he was concerned about on the plane sns. >> no one knows anything. i don't like going out on a limb. i can't fact check this at this point. it's possible the president or someone else will present actual oefd of a plane filled with thugs. this president told so many lies and promoted so many non-sense conspiracy theories we have to
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presume this as false until proven otherwise rather than the reverse. no one around him we talked to has corroborating information. his story is already changing. it went from a plane to washington. to today a plane from washington to quote where ever. he didn't specify the city. and number four this story is kind of suspiciously similar to a facebook rumor going around a few months ago. whether that's where he got it i don't know. similarities for sure. >> thank you very much. it is really uncommon around any big shot politician where his people don't know what he's talking about. and can't back it up. i have never heard of it before. second. it will be a real question for the voters. if you can't believe if you assume that he's always lying and that's okay because politicians do it. what point is it too much? that's the question for the voters. not for you.
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you bring us the facts. thank you very much. we'll be right back. ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ applebee's. now that's eating good in the neighborhood.
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let's bring in the man at
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the head of "cnn tonight." right now. >> i barely made it. >> i would have bought time. >> do it now. i just got up here. >> i have plenty to talk about. >> what an epic battle of the light vs. dark. this election has shaped up to be. >> who you telling. >> trump isn't everyone prete d pretending to be light. to be about better and union and unity and aspiration. he is straight up if you elect the other guy, the blacks and the crazy white friends are coming for you. where ever you are. that's what the democrats will allow and biden is with him. >> don't say that out loud.

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