the owner responded, the set up was totally false. president trump commented, crowds of unmasked and audience of the member -- the state's own guidelines stated masks should be worn in doors and outdoors. # the news continues. i will hand it over to chris cuomo for "primetime." >> maybe she was listening to the president, who says masks is a weakness. maybe pelosi is falling under the influence. >> j.b., good to see you. i am chris cuomo and welcome to

"primetime." we can all agree with this. nothing we are dealing with america today is normal. a pandemic that some refused to accept it is real. courtesy of the president. a racial crisis that this president won't even say out loud, abnormal. he's saying the real problem is the desperate and sometimes violent reaction to his ignoring the real problem. it is called systematic inequality. you can have systematic inequality which we do and not have all americans be racist. the only reason to say they want you to think all americans are racist is because he does not want you to focus on the real problems so he gives you something absurd, abnormal.

so, why? the reason trump takes these abnormal positions is because he is selling ababnormality. trump is an incumbent who says look around, everything has gone to hell since i became president and only i can fix it. think about it. he literally is selling you the proposition that you need to reelect him to fix what when wrong on his watch. he talks about the economy as if the pandemic never happens. the pandemic don't matter? that's not the state of our economy right now? if you don't reelect him, the things that have gone bad on his watch will get worse. does simple logic 62 days out

from an election dictates that a guy helps make things bad will probably make it worse given a second chance. now remember here is the key. how do you sell abnormal? you need to be abnormal. forget about president trump. instead of presidential, trump is pathological, he lies and uses his power to divide. he's a picture next to a demagogue in the dictionary. he literally wants to make you hate. prove it. okay, how do you suppose to feel about me? hate him, hate him. what about protesters who show up at the rally? beat them up. what about black and brown folks? throw them into violence. they do it in the treats. sneak them into the country with your drugs.

put them electoral collein cage. highly suspicious. we never heard an american president paint their own tenure as a series of ominous occasions and now this president who's been harping months about voter fraud and blowing doomsday scenarios without basis. the election is going to be rigged if you vote by mail. what is his answer? literally he says the answer to secure a safe election is for america to try to vote twice. i kid you not. here it is. >> they have to check their vote by going to the polling voting that way and if it tabulates then they won't have to do that. so, let them send it in and let them go vote and if the system is good as they say it is, the

absentees are fine, we have to work together and it means something. you send them in and go to vote. if you have not count it, you can vote. >> what is this? is this "snl"? is that mel brooks? what system is he talking about? vote absentee and then go to the poll to try to vote again. hold on a second, what's your name? chris cuomo? address? there is no such system. this man is president of the united states. how can you be this obtuse? he says vote twice. you what that's also known as? fraud.

somethi sometimes he's accuse ds d of m times. you cannot be a demagogue alone. you got to have your followers. his attorney general happens to be on cnn not long after that and refused to verbally connect the dots. look at this. >> it seems to me what he's saying is he's trying to make a point that the ability to monitor the system is not good and if it was so good, if you try to vote a second time you would be caught if you vote it in person. >> that would be illegal. >> i don't know the law in the particular state. >> you can't vote twice. >> i don't know what the law in the particular state says. >> it is a federal law. >> would you like me to read it to you? >> lala, i happen to have it. you can look it up. you are not allowed to vote twice. like you need me to tell you

that. can you believe the attorney general of the united states playing dumb about something like that a. why? just to help him. he's a trumpest and a pawn. i will tell you something even better than trump. that guy says, imperfect for this, you know what? i don't need this job. i am at a point in my life where i don't have to play favorites, i just want to do the job. it works. even though he never did anything he did. cover the president. he does not know is illegal to vote twice. bill barr knows what trump is saying and what he's trying to do. the president says in a statement that's going to mail ballots to voters in just two days.

barr argues voting by mail is reckless and dangerous. proof? non. none. what about the dangerous of voting in person in a pandemic? you know the definition of reckless in a law is perception of risks, going on and doing that thing anyway. in place as it will be risky to vote in-person. so, your state should have an option for you to do it in another way. what's wrong with that? our mail can't handle it? well, maybe if they stop sabotaging the mail service, that would help. if you got the bill late? post office deals with billions and millions pieces of mail. we should trust them. you start messing with how they do it. boy, was that weird? trump and trump's guys got no business. it is like the devoss of the post office. all of a sudden things started

getting screwed and and machines left outside and veterans and others complaining. what's the new play of abnormal? here is the new play. vaccines? we have a miracle cure for you, baby, right before the election. it is going to be ready and we are done. i wish that were true first of all. we'll talk about the politics of it. but, a vaccine is not a cure, okay? there are a lot of boxes we need to check. we definitely need one. it will definitely be so much helpful than the situation we are in right now. just remember covid isra real a it is not going away. we are not making it go away. did you hear about who just contracted covid? the whole family? you know who it is? one of my favorites, he's been

so good to me and all of us. actor, dwayne, the rock, johnson says he and his family tested positive from covid-19. hear from them. >> my wife, lauren as well as my two baby girls and myself, we all tested positive for covid-19. i can tell you that this has been one of the most challenging and difficult things we ever had to endure as a family. testing positive from covid-19 is much different from being evicted or being broke. the reason why i feel this is different because my number one is my priority is always protect my family. >> totally i get where he's coming from and i feel for him.

somebody who lives like the rock and successful and certainly deserves all of it and all that to come. he's got those little babies and kids and wife. terrible. too many americans are going through this. we are all in this together. hey, i know the pandemic may not have been perfect in our response. now we'll have a vaccine before the election. what are the signs and issues with that? sanjay gupta and dana bash is joining us now. great to see you. the first question that's the obvious one. timing. >> no. the president had been talking about miracle cures and a vaccine which is a miracle cure

and about the whole notion of getting it done quickly and sanjay has been talking and all of us about the big question. whether or not the president's desire to get it done before the election is flying in the face of science that may or may not allow it to happen in a safe way. another question of whether or not because of all of these doubts by the president and the administration in the science pree prooe previous to this. whether or not once there is a safe vaccine, people are not going to take it. that puts this pandemic beyond any way we could imagine. this is something that the president is hoping for. the big concern is that turns into a self fulfilling prophecy

that does not con foiform with science or it does conform with science and people don't believe it. >> the concern is as combination with the political and the medical. i think it is more political because of how the medical place -- sanjay, i am sure your sources are always better. they say it is the old star team of the people they have working on this and putting the money early the way the administration did, they say that was smart because they feel good about a daring vaccine. however, i am hearing they're not so spooked about it coming out sooner. they feel good about the testing. they feel it is a false promise because they don't have anywhere near enough doses that they would need a vaccine to make a different if it is released early. what's your take?

>> i think that's absolutely true. you know in fact they can sort of predict any doses may be able. there are a couple of manufactures that are sort of coming, pfizer is one. everyo you are talking about a couple million or three million total doses and they would say that for healthcare workers or people that are considered as high-risk individuals. it is going to be like a switch goes off. vaccines approved and life goes back to normal. it is not. it is going to take a long time for people to get vaccinated and people still have to be careful. with the vaccine, the bar is going to be higher. that bar is lower.

this is for healthy people, right? you got to get this right and as dana says, you are going to erode that trust. >> one more question. why are they confident that for the first time and certainly in my lifetime, you have been here muchless time. we never an incumbent president say things suck, e lek lect me . >> he's convinced that he's perceived as an outsider and a donald tru disrupter and not as the president of the united states. those two things are colliding in a big way. look, there are still a lot of people really support him who still sees him as an outsiderr

even though he's inside the white house. it is unclear how much that's going to sell to people who are desperate for leadership or who are -- like the three of us, pa parents who have children and who are not going back to school and who are home. other people in different circumstances have to decide whether or not they're going to stay home with their kids or go back to work and all the financials and repercussions on that. that's very real. that's going to be the deciding factor whether or not they perceive this president as the outsider or the guy who's inculpable. >> sanjay, i have to come back to you. i am not saying anything's wrong

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it is about melania trump. the ex-aid and friend. they also had a friendship went south. why? complicated. after reports revealed $26 million went to her firm for producing inaugural events. her new book is called "melania and me details the crumbling relationship." it offers an interesting window into where the first lady is coming from. like this moment, do you remember the infamous i don"i d

care jacket." i try to figure this out what was this about. stephanie wilkoff is joining me now. >> thank you for having me. >> i appreciate you taking your time to come onto the studio. >> thank you, chris. let's start off with different points of suspect. the macro point. many believe that melania is basically defiant when it comes to what donald trump says and does. but, you say that many have it wrong that there is a much higher degree of compliance than defiant, do i have it right? >> absolutely, it took me a long time to figure it out. i put myself in position without understanding policy and got caught up in trying to make a difference for children, just focus on one issue and the chaos

around me was just insane and she went along with all of this. >> she can't be effective with him out there being a cyber bully, you are saying no, that's not what made it away. >> the best initiative. we worked on that for over a year and a half, we put together an credible group of experts and leaders in the field. it was destroyed the moment that i was separated from the white house. it is unfortunate because we really worked out to make a platform and a difference without any budget and without any help internally from the west wing. she was about to launch. it would have been incredible but unfortunately, the best is the best. it is its own little platform

that's unfortunately not doing more than it should be >> why is she not supporting it? they're saying she got all the juice in the house. >> she does not have the juice in the house. she has the juice in the home. she's powerful speaking to donald in a way that nobody else can. she tells him how she feels and able to communicate what her thoughts are. when it comes to working, the biggest thing you need to realize, when donald married melania, she did not go with this marriage not understanding what she wanted. he got arm candy and she got to be first lady two decades later. we have to be honest of what they got out of this. >> well, should ne would not be first person to trade up in lifestyle in marriage. do you think she has political aspirations also?

>> no, i am not saying that at all. she was just going along for the ride, maybe the escalator ride down. she knew what she signed up for. but, she was there. >> the idea of she does not believe what he thinks. a lot of people in the media consumed as oh, she's saying kind of you know bug off donald. i don't care what this guy is doing. it was a separation device for her. what was the reality? the reality was she wanted the media to focus on the fact that she was going to the border. it is plain and simple. her communications office was not communicating with the west wing and their message was it was just a jacket. when i spoke with her about it.

i said simply, could you really mean that you were going to a border and you didn't care what the conservatives thought, you just thought it was the right thing to do in humanitarian crisis crisis. are you doing the right thing for the children. unfortunately, the jacket speaks for itself. >> how about the policies at the border? again, there was this perception that she didn't like what was happening with the kids. she didn't like the harsh attitude the president towards immigrants because she's one. he's trying to cancel the policy that allowed her to bring her family into the country. so she was against it. >> she thought the children there was being treated in her own words with better facilities and being taken care of. i mean it says it in the book how what she says and it is really difficult to repeat,

chris, because it is so divisive and hypocrite cal to what she had to stand for. >> what did she say? >> she said the children has a chest, and a drawer and bed to sleep on. she believes that children were told they were brought in by coyotes. it is sad. it is very unfortunate. >> she was in line of how trump selling like putting them in cages? >> she truly believed she walks around with the patrol and she heard from them and this is what she repeated to me. it was shocking. >> what about the idea of taking away the mechanism she used to bring her family in? >> the trumps do what they want

to do, they don't follow the rule and never have. it is important for our country to realize who these people are and what they do and what they think is not in your best interest. when i listen to his, you know, speeches and the last rnc, it is so trump and it is unfortunate, his base does not care really what anybody else thinks. people need to start educating themselves because we are in in trouble. >> what about some of the volatile topics he takes on whether protecting confederate monuments or blaming people who are desperate in the streets of under line systematic racism. did she lock step with him on that? >> i would say, when this happens, i called melania, i thought it would be a perfect

moment for her to address the situation. melania will not step out of line honestly. again, i could not believe and that moment of crisis to just come out. be the first lady that everyone needs in this moment. you can't believe anything that's being said. she would not say anything. it actually there was a moment in time -- >> why would she say anything? because she felt it was wrong for both people on both sides? >> i think it is both. i never got an answer. melania will tell you what she wants to tell you something. there are times she does not answer. it is black-out. and she never returns back to that subject and this is one of those times. >> how about the birthism? >> i have been shy on this stuff. two reason, she's not a

political old hand. she's very new to this. i don't really go after the family unless the first lady or some day, the first gentleman inserts himself in our policy discussions. and so on a birthism thing, i kind of not believe what i heard. is that the kind of thing she can embrace? >> melania believes that people should show their proper paper and the same thing with sexual allegations. she feels like show the everyday and those are her believers. she strongly believes that. she's stepping right with him at the same time. >> so if she didn't believer without proof, what was the

thing about the payoff scam. >> she did that the first time. she told me that when they went to the back of the rest of the team. we were looking at twitter and they realized what had happen. she and nold pdonald pretended e didn't do anything. she does not like to get cozy or comfortab comfortable? >> what do you mean? >> with her husband? >> like holding hands and stuff? >> they do have their type of mar marriage and love. and they do get along. >> i don't care about the marriage. it is more about the policy agreement. people believe she must be defiant in the house.

this is about you. in the book, you paint her as much more compliant and is that how you feel that when it comes to most of the things that comes out in his mouth, she believes it, too. >> how can you stay with someone and not stand up for what's right. i had to stand up for the truth and the truth somehow is not what everyone wants to hear. >> the other thing and i will tell one thing about this book. i don't read a lot of this. you laid it out in an interesting way where it says kind of like crumbs along the way. it is a good design. >> thanks. >> it is a good design the way you structure the narrative. melania ivanka, come on, it is

as old as time. the daughter has a problem with the new wife, fine. >> is it true that they have a plan about after trump, there will be another trump president? >> you heard him the other evening. she definitely sees herself in that position and feels very comfortable there. just like what she did when she first stepped into the white house. >> that's not just what we tell our kids. hey, some day you can be this, too. >> oh, i grew up hearing that. it is a little difficulty and knowing that -- most people don't. they're trained with such precision. you never know what they are think, ever. that's the scariest part. >> one of the things you have to deal with in a book like this, you were friends and close,

maybe it is sour grapes, what's your biggest regret? i say now that my loyalty is my achilles' hills. i saw -- heels. >> we are going to represent the united states of america. i am honored to produce the inauguration. i thought it would be in everyone's best interest in the united states to be represented well. to go in the east wing, we'll get somebody else to do that. i didn't know enough about policies or the type of people that they are. i had my relationship with melania. had i had more views into who donald was. i didn't spend time with him. i would have done what my friend told me to do which is run. >> the combination of not knowing as much of policy and not knowing what you are getting into or understanding what you are about. it makes you perfect for the

administration. >> now here you are has a great room to write bt about it and i will be a lot of heat. >> "melania & me" is on sale now. >> thank you for joining me tonight >> melania's husband keeps on pushing this two-prong speech to black voters. this is the most important part of the show tonight. we are taking you inside what you are being told. why should black voters not look at biden as closely as they would democrats past? because one, trump has done more for them than anybody else. two, unprecedented criminal justice reform. the first step act.

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all right, we have 62 days. whether or not you should feel confident. starting promise. black votes critical to democrats, always. especially to joe biden. joe biden is not doing as well with blacks than hillary clinton did. trump is hoping to capitalize it. that's why you hear two things over and over from this president. i don't know if there is so much design to have black votes for him than to not vote at all or

for biden. first one, i have been the best to the blacks, look at the unemployment and the economy i gave. that's only if you pretend the last six months did not happen. could things happen? they get benefits. in february, black unemployment was at 5.8%. that's good. by may, those numbers tripled and once again you saw a yawning disparity. instead this president leans into one of his few actual legislative accomplish mentacco. criminal justice reform, the first step act, okay? his supporters loved to point out that trump did this for the blacks and obama never got it

done. listen. >> people are going to get out of jail. >> they everyon got cory booke- >> the trump administration is trying to keep more people in jail and put more back behind bars. >> it is called the first state. the first step act was just what its name implies. one step forward. since then in the courts and administratively that trump administration had taken three steps backward. the doj once again doing his dirty work. they're trying to look back and

they're trying to lock up people again who were released under the first step law. they are in court trying to make it harder to let people out who meet the laws credentials. remember the whole point of the law was to deal with inequality that's built into the system when it comes to non-violent drug sentences. of course trump and bill holds the bar and loves to say stuff like this. >> it is built into for the institution. his own lawyer is trying to rewrite the system. follow this. he wants people to judge by the amount of drugs they resent them for. rather when you go, and then you

negotiate. that's like only the concept there is. now, what are they trying to do now? they want them send it for the maximum amount ever mentioned in court documents. so when it comes to the bipartisan bill. they say oh, this guy was sentenced on this. >> there was more. so simple. that's going to put them back on jail and maybe more time. it calls for non-citizen a. the trump administration brought in a group. a group spent years fighting against the criminal justice reform that trump now wants credit for.

you are surprised? do the research if you don want to believe it. it is not a first step alone. it is one step up and two steps back. if trump wants to win over black voters, he may need to stop denying systematic racism exists in america. the first part, what's systematic inequality. they can sent it in ways with drugs. tomorrow biden is going to be meeting with the family of jacob blake. this is very important for us. what does he do that trump did not do. does he do things not as well or better than trump? very important. that situation is by definition

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blake case in kenosha, the u.s. attorney general, today, stated two things as fact that, simply, have not been proven. >> in -- untin the jacob case, was in the midst of committing a felony, and he was armed. >> the facts. jacob blake has not been charged with anything related to the day he was shot. much less, convicted. and wisconsin's own state investigators only said there was a knife, in his suv. not that he was holding it, at any point. jacob blake sr., and the

family's attorney, benjamin crump, join me, now. welcome to prime time. >> thank you, chris. thank you for inviting us. >> well, thank you for taking the opportunity, counselor, as always. it's a pleasure. may i ask, how is your son doing? what is the latest that you want people to know? >> he's holding on and still heavily sedated. just holding on. >> and sedated because that's helping in his recovery? or is this about pain? >> it's the pain. after taking seven shots to his back, damage, well, obliteration of a couple of his vertebras, you know, he's in quite a bit of pain. >> you know, i'm always very reluctant to keep people in your situation on tv too long. so let me just get to the point. what did you not see with the president, that you want to see with former vp biden?

>> not to politically answer either one of those questions, but we're about reform. and deescalation. and i'll let my lawyer, i'll let ben answer the rest of that. >> counselor? i can't hear ben. i'll ask you a non -- ben, i can't -- >> okay. what we will do, chris -- >> good, now, i hear you. go ahead, ben. >> what we would do, chris, is, hopefully, have vice president biden demonstrate leadership because as america deals with covid-19 pandemic, we, in black america, are dealing with the covid 1619 pandemic of racism and discrimination that has literally, chris cuomo, every other week, a new hashtag. george floyd. breonna taylor. ahmaud arbery.

jacob blake. now, in los angeles, we have kenzie. we need to have the george floyd justice and policing accountability act passed. we need leadership to stop these hashtags. >> you know, mr. blake, just so you know, this has been happening, in such intense ways, for so many years, that counselor crump and i have developed quite the relationship. and there's a tragedy, in that. he's a great man, powerful advocate. but so many different families, we've had similar discussions. and now, it's your family and your son. you're not a politician. i don't want to make you one. but what do you say to people who say, this situation's pretty easy, mr. blake. if your son had done what the cop said, he would've been fine. but he didn't. and that one decision makes all the difference. what do you say to them? >> well, i say that's an unfair

system. you have tamara rice. a little boy playing with a fake pistol in a park. he was shot before the police car stopped moving. killed. then, you have a white gentleman, 17 years old, killed two people and blew another man's arm off. they gave him water and a high-five. and then, he made it all the way back to illinois, not around the block. he made it all the way back to illinois, untouched. he's still alive. so the two systems of justice and the one system that we're in doesn't work too well. but the justice in the other -- in the other lane works for them. >> quick question. the family did not meet with the president. is mr. biden invited to any kind of meeting with the family? >> if the president -- the

president didn't want to contact because my lawyer couldn't be there. so -- >> understood. mr. blake, all i care about is that your son gets better, and that your family -- >> that's all i care about, chris. >> -- and that your family's whole, and that this experience brings you closer together. and that lives are not taken in bad directions because of it. i wish you well. i'm here for the story to be reported and told. and i respect, very much, what you're going through, as a father, and i wish your family well. >> and i respect you and your brother. and had some people paid attention to how your brother handled it, maybe, this situation would be different with the pandemic. >> well, thank you for the kind word. i appreciate it. counselor crump, i'm always a phone call away. thank you for taking the opportunity tonight. >> thank you, chris. >> all right. god bless you both. we'll be right back. >> thank you. arthritis. and take. it. on...

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