numbers are phenomenal. that latter attitude, of course, is the road to decay and decline. you see, once upon a time, the world needed to learn from america. now, america needs to learn from the world. thanks to all of you for being part of this special edition of "gps." and i will see you next week. good evening to you. jim sciutto here sitting in for anderson. and tonight, the president of the united states. as he insists he would never attack an honored member of our military, attacks an honored member of our military. a decorated, former marine general, who is also a gold-star father. that is, he lost his son in combat. let's begin with what trump is reported by several outlets now to have said about the young men and women who serve this country and, sometimes, die defending it. he's reported to have called them suckers and losers. suckers, for serving. losers, for dying. this evening, mr. trump answered

questions about the reporting on this. first, reported by jeffrey goldberg in "the atlantic." and later, by other outlets, including, notably, fox news. this is from goldberg's account of the president's cancelled 2018 visit to a french cemetery, where hundreds of marines killed in the first world war are, now, buried. a revered place for u.s. marines. he writes, quote, trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain. and because he did not believe it important to honor american war dead, according to four people, goldberg says, with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. goldberg continues, quote, in a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, trump said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. in a separate conversation, on the same trip, trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at belleau wood as suckers for getting killed.

goldberg also recounts the visit he made on memorial day, three years ago, to arlington national cemetery with then-dhs secretary and retired general john kelly, who i mentioned earlier. and as i said, general kelly's son, robert, is buried there. reading, again, from goldberg's account. quote. while standing by, robert kelly's grave turned directly to his father and said, i don't get it, what was in it for them? goldberg also reported, citing three sources, that when senator john mccain died, he said, quote, we're not going to support that loser's funeral. the president, last night, tweeted that he never called the late senator a loser. really? keeping them honest, watch the tape. >> i supported him. he lost. he let us down. but, you know, he lost. so i never liked him as much after that because i don't like losers. but, frank. frank. let me get to it. he's not a war hero. >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't

captured. okay? >> it was five years in a vietnamese prison, and he let others be released, before him, though he was offered the chance. that's john mccain. those are the president's words, though. not a war hero. a loser. again, he denied it last night. today, he did not. >> i say what i say, and i never got along with john mccain. i disagreed with john mccain. you know that, better than anybody, frankly. i wasn't a fan. >> as for john kelly. well, even as he denied allegations that he showed contempt for the troops, the president took an opportunity to show, quite publicly and for the cameras, deliberate contempt for kelly. >> didn't do a good job. had no temperament. and ultimately, he was petered out. he was exhausted. this man was totally exhausted. he wasn't even able to function in the last number of months. he was not able to function. he was sort of a tough guy. by the time he got eaten up in

this world, it's a different world than he was used to, he was unable to function. >> as for "the atlantic" story, itself, the president called it a hoax. he called it a second-rate magazine, and a third-rate magazine. and he took verbal swipes at joe biden, himself, the father of a son who served. or, as the president, apparently, would put it, father of a sucker. >> if it's true and based on all the things he said, i believe the article's true. i'd ask you all the rhetorical question, how do you feel? how would you feel, if you had a kid in afghanistan right now? how would you feel, if you lost a son, daughter, husband, wife? how would you feel, for real? i probably -- i've just never

been as disappointed, in my whole career, with a leader that i've worked with. president or otherwise. but if the article's true, and it appears to be based on all the things he's said, it is absolutely damnable. it is a disgrace. >> cnn's kaitlan collins is at the white house, now, with more. kaitlan, you've seen it. i've seen it. this white house has denied a whole host of stories that have, later, proven to be true. tell us how the white house is handling this controversy, and how the president, himself, is handling it. >> well, what we saw yesterday is just how angry the president was over this. that you've never really seen the white house mobilize that quickly to deny a story, in the fashion that we have seen play out over the last 24 hours. where they have gotten current and former officials to come forward, and dispute the story. even culminating with the first lady weighing in just a few moments ago. saying she believed this story was activism, not journalism, in

a tweet that she posted to her account. and so, you can see, really, the effort that they're putting behind this, to deny it. but of course, what's notable when you look at that, jim, is that the people who could deny it, who are pretty credible when it comes to president and the military, have not said anything. and john kelly is one of those. the former defense secretary, jim mattis. joe dunford. there are several notable figures who have been silent over the last 24 hours. and i think that could really do a lot to change the trajectory of this story. >> you covered this white house while john kelly was serving as chief of staff. is he the kind of person who, at this point, might take this moment to challenge the president, here? >> that's a big question that a lot of people are wondering. i don't think the president really did himself a service, in the briefing earlier, to keep john kelly from coming forward and confirming details of the story, if he could. of course, he hasn't weighed in, either way. so we're not really sure what he would say. but it was interesting you saw the president going after him. and the president and john kelly certainly had their bad moments

when he was chief of staff. we reported, at one point, right before john kelly was removed as chief of staff, that they were not even on speaking terms. but the way the president spoke about him earlier, basically saying he was incompetent and couldn't live up to the pressure of the west wing is notable when you just consider what john kelly has done. he is a retired, four-star marine general. he has a son, who as you noted, died in afghanistan. he's been through a lot, is my point. and so, the way the president spoke about him. it is kind of hard to see how that would not garner a response from john kelly. >> we'll be watching. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. joining us, now, retired army major general paul eaton, whose video denouncing the president, posted shortly after the story broke, now has 3 million views and counting. and has said he is voting for joe biden. also with us tonight, alex horton, who reported and added to the story and who served, himself, in iraq as an

infantryman. general, i just want to ask you. military service is generational service in your family. you've read this story. but you have also seen the president's comments about the military and other veterans through the year. john mccain, among them. but not isolated to john mccain. in your view, in your experience, are these comments in character for this president, in terms of how he views the military? >> jim, alex, great to be with you. thank you very much. we've had a study diet of almea almost four years of disrespect to everybody. in thought, word, and deed. this president doesn't understand the nature of respect. he's a transactional guy, and it's i'll do this, for that. and we -- you cannot lead, if you do not, inside, bear a complete respect for your subordinates, for your superiors, and for your peers, left and right.

we're done, here. this guy has got to go. >> alex, you, not only confirm any details from the atlantic story but, also, were able to add to it. get more information about what the president had said. tell us what other details you uncovered. >> yeah. thanks for having me, jim. there are a few manufacturore d that we were able to confirm, that were in line with what the atlantic reported. one of which was the president was sort of baffled and confused that so much effort is put into finding p.o.w.s and soldiers who are missing in action. of course, that is the military principle of leave no man behind. so that is one where he considered them someone who messed up on the job and, therefore, you know, why put in that much effort? and, you know, one of the other things that we learned that, you know, he found rank to be impressive among the -- the

generals and his staff and his cabinet. but he was kind of curious about why they chose that line of work. you know, if they were smart and bright and worked together as a team, why didn't they go into business and make a lot of money? so that's a few of the things that are sort of in line with what jeffrey goldberg had reported. >> listen. the comments you talk about dismissing folks who may have been shot down in combat. similar to how he's publicly expressed views about john mccain. saying he is a war hero because he got captured. again, the president's view. general eaton, you maintain close tied, i'm sure, with many of your former and current, i'm sure, service members. i'm not asking you to be a pollster here. i'm just asking if, in your experience, the views of this president have changed over four years? because it's traditionally viewed as a base of support for him, right? the u.s. military. have you sensed a change in the view of this president, among service members? >> jim, just before i get to

that, i'd like to point out that my own father was missing in action in joint task force full accounting was the agency that did not leave my father behind. this is a great country, for that. it is a great country, that delivers young men and women who actually will trust the chain of command because they know that they're not going to be left behind. >> yep. >> now, to the -- to the developing stories that we've got right now. military times today survey that found over 60% of the officer corps is -- has shifted, and is now in the -- in the camp to vote for vice president biden. so the shift is in place. it's moving quickly. and the story that we're talking about, right now, is playing very badly in my peer group. >> uh-huh. alex, many of president trump's loyalists, they've defended the president saying this didn't happen. we haven't heard from john

kelly. you know, i wonder. listen, you and i have done many stories on sensitive information, where folks will -- will share that information, based on maintaining -- us maintaining their anonymity. here, with john kelly, him being attacked today. do you see someone like him coming out and saying, no, this is what happened? >> you know, it's certainly possible. i mean, i think one thing we learned about the trump administration and the people in it is the senior administration official is a very persuasive person. a lot of people are willing to err their grievances and frustrations but they're not willing to go on the record because they want to continue working in the administration or they have another job. you know, particularly, around career, military folks, this is something about honor, integrity, not sticking your neck out too much that i think a lot of generals, like john kelly, like mattis, perhaps maybe to the public's detriment

of fully understanding someone like the president in election year. i mean, his comments about kelly, today, you know, were surprising and were quite shocking. but, you know, john kelly really hasn't come out, full force, yet. and others haven't, either. at least, with their names. remains to be seen. >> we've seen some hesitate. and then, eventually, criticize the president. jim mattis, among them. it took some time. general eaton, i want to ask you about another topic because this caught our attention today. president trump was asked a very simple question about something that america's allies, closest allies, have blamed russia for. the poisoning of russian opposition leader alexei navalny. the president would not utter the simple words, this is bad or russia shouldn't have done it. listen how he answered, and i want to get your reaction. >> it is interesting that everybody's always mentioning russia. and i don't mind you mentioning russia. but i think, probably, china, at this point, is -- is a nation

that you should be talking about, much more so than russia, because the things that china's doing are far worse, if you take a look at what's happening with the world. >> repeatedly, he will not call out russia on -- on this, on election interference, on bounties on u.s. forces in afghanistan, on dangerous encounters between russian aircraft and u.s. aircraft. all things that have been increasingly aggressive, not less aggressive. what do you make of his refusal to be critical of putin or russia in any meaningful way? and is that a green light to russia? >> jim, first, it is a green light to russia. russia has been our most reliable enemy since the end of world war ii. if ever you needed an enemy, they were always there to make sure that we had an opponent thand they had the capability, and maybe the intent, to do great harm to the united states.

it is baffling, to this soldier, that the president of the united states, the commander in chief, will not call them out. he cannot walk past this mistake. yet, he does, over and over again. and the mistake of this poisoning of the putin opponent is revealing. and indicates that the commander in chief cannot be trusted, for reasons unknown to me. but it certainly appears as if the russians -- that vladimir putin has something very serious on this president. >> general eaton, alex horton, thanks for your commentary tonight. also, thanks to both of you for your service to this country. >> jim, thank you. >> alex, take care. >> a program note. cnn will bring you the stories of joe biden and donald trump and their fight for the white house. see their triumphs, their tragedies, and their dramatic journeys to a showdown. don't miss the back-to-back documentary event starting

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more strongly about our soldiers, our wounded warriors, our soldiers that died in war, than i do. it's a hoax. >> the question is, after everything else the president has lied about, does he have the credibility to make those words carry weight? here to speak about it, cnn political commentator, amanda carpenter. and cnn political analyst, david gergen. david, you served four presidents. we know the president's record with the truth. does he have the credibility to deny this, not just based on that general record of misleading or flatout, false statements. but also, his frequent comments in public, disparaging members of the military, veterans, john mccain, and others? >> jim, listen, i'm sorry to say this. but i think this, if it is true, it's a dishonorable act and the voters are going to have to,

this november, decide whether they want to discharge him or not. but i've never heard a president speak this way about the military, ever. presidents soft on the military, presidents who love the military, they treated them with dignity. how much men and women sacrificed, how they put their lives on the line. so i think this is a very damning story. is it true? we don't have the facts. i do think it's time, because it's so important, that whomever is one of these sources, come out from behind the curtain and tell it to us, straight up. put it on the record. and do that for the country. we need to know. to do this to the president, if it were not true. and what's the more likely outcome? listen. do you believe trump who says -- who says he insists he never called john mccain a loser, and we have it on public record? and yet, we know, from "the washington post," that over these four years, he's issued over 20,000 lies or misleading

statements. 20,000. we know that the people who are involved, jeffrey goldberg is a very respected journalist. he's done a terrific job with "the atlantic." all the signs point to the fact that it is true but we still don't have all the facts. >> to be clear, amanda, president saying he never disparaged the military. he took some broadsides at john kelly, who not only served but also lost a son in combat. i just wonder. you worked for ted cruz. you worked for republicans, for many years. is there a line, for many republicans? i mean, we use that phrase, hold their nose and vote for this president. on something like this, does it cross a line? >> well, i think what we've seen, that there are different lines, for lots of different people. and i feel like, a lot of times, even today, we're just chasing the next, bad thing we heard about trump saying. right? i mean, this is devastating. and i have every reason to believe it. and i would hope that john kelly would confirm it.

but at the same time, i can understand how traumatic it would be, given the fact that some of these comments were made by his son's graveside. i mean, that just rips me apart. i don't know what that would do to a parent, quite honestly. but i have to ask my fellow republicans, what -- what more do you need to know? i mean, his former defense secretary, james mattis, came out and said he is a threat to the constitution. and he is the only president he's seen that works to divide the american people, instead of unite them. that happened after lafayette square. i mean, that -- listen to what -- don't listen to the partisan -- don't listen to me. listen to what people, who have worked for donald trump, who have said about -- what they've said, on the record, about how he treats soldiers. mattis came out and said that, he uses soldiers like props to get a photo op in lafayette square. i mean, we -- we know. people have been telling us. miles taylor, last week. elizabeth newman, who says she

can't get him to pay attention to right-wing terrorism. all this stuff is out there. so i would just encourage people to take a step back, and not evaluate what we know donald trump has said. but what the people who have tried to help him, and are now trying to warn us, on the record, have said. >> have you, david, again, in working for presidents clinton, ford, reagan, and nixon. but in observing others, have you ever seen a president have so many people who worked for him, at the senior level, say, in public, oftentimes with their names attached, oftentimes not but oftentimes with their names attached, that he is unqualified, he's unfit. is there any precedent for this? >> no and i think that's especially true, jim, in the national security field, with which you're so familiar. if you look at the generals, admirals, the national security advisers, people who worked in nsc, worked in intelligence, there are over a dozen generals,

admirals, people who have broken with him. particularly, is the people breaking with him are the people that know him best. who spent a lot of time around him. know him best. and then, they have testified to his lack of character. i still think that doesn't -- that doesn't solve this problem. this particular set of statements, which i think is so far beyond the bounds. but if you look at, it really is a good question. republican. what more do you need? >> listen. one of his most senior advisers said putin is trump's honey trap, right? said explicitly, putin -- the president is in the thrall of vladimir putin. it's amazing what people who served him say. amanda, put this in the context of the race. we're 60 days from the election. i know there's always the outrage of the day, right? and oftentimes, people move on. although, there are things that have been more lasting. is this one lasting?

>> if it's evaluated in the context of all the other officials who have spoken out. again, there is a pattern here. it's not just a pattern of donald trump saying outrageous things. especially, this is for republicans to consider. people have tried to help him. there are republicans in congress who have tried to help him, and they are unable to do so. and so, everybody does have a breaking point. but what -- what more good can you do? and if the answer is you've tried, you gave it a good go, and it didn't work. and it's not going to work. look into your heart, and ask yourself what can you do to -- in order to do good work, in the future? and i think that, naturally, would lead you on a path away from trump. >> yeah, jim. >> quickly, before we go. sorry, david. >> i just wanted to say. one of the previous guests mentioned a generational issue and that is generation after generation of people that have

served. the mccain family, for example, have three to four generations of people who served. if you look at the trumps, i can't find one trump, in the last three generations, who has served this country in uniform. and that's why it's particularly galling to have this kind of -- these kind of conversations about our military. >> well, from "the washington post" reporting, right, that the president just doesn't understand it. you don't get paid enough. why -- why serve? fundamental thing. if you know soldiers, as i know all three of us do, you know why. amanda carpenter, david gergen, appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> straight ahead. as president trump derides form former president biden for wearing a mask, something the science shows saves lives. rounding the corner with the coronavirus, this on a day when the death toll from covid-19 approaches 188,000. a new model shows that more than doubling by the end of the year. we're keeping them honest. give you straightforward advice

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the president, again, this evening, tried to put the pandemic where he would like it to be. >> by the way, we're rounding the corner. we're rounding the corner on the virus. >> well, the facts say otherwise. nearly, 188,000 lives lost, so far. and according to new modeling from the university of washington's institute for health metrics and evaluation, one followed closely by the white house, there were, sadly, many more fatalities to come in this country. under the ihme's most likely scenario, 410,000 dead by year's end. in the best case, 288,000. that is assuming very careful social distancing guidelines and, quote, near-universal mask

usage, which is actually declining in this country. and though, the president, while reading from prepared remarks today, very briefly, called on americans to wear a mask when appropriate. when he is off prompter, speaking to his crowds, it's a different story. >> your second question was? i couldn't hear you. can you take it off? because i cannot hear you. >> i'll just speak louder, sir. >> oh, okay, because you want to be politically correct. go ahead. >> somehow, sitting in the oval office, behind that beautiful, resolute desk. the great, resolute desk. i think, wearing a face mask, as i greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i don't know. somehow, i don't see it for myself. >> no, i want people to have a certain freedom. and i don't believe in that, no. and i don't agree with the statement that, if everybody wear a mask, everything disappears. >> but did you ever see a man that likes a mask as much as him? and then, he makes his speech and he always has it -- not always but a lot of times, he

has it hanging down because, you know what, it gives him a feeling of security. if i were a psychiatrist, right? i'd say -- i'd say, this guy's got some big issues. >> joining me, now, cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. and william haseltine, a former professor at the harvard medical school and school of public health. he is also author of "a family guide to covid." good to have both of you on. sanjay, it's been a few hours since i talked to you this morning. this model. and again, these are not crystal balls. they're models. they help give you a sense of what's going to come, and you and i talk about this often. when we look at this, actually, ihme models in recent months have understated the death toll, undershot the death toll. when you look at these figures, do you find this a credible path of where the pandemic is going, in this country? >> it was a pretty jarring, 4:00 a.m. wakeup call to look at that model, jim, i think for you

and me, both. i mean, yeah, it's -- it is -- it is not surprising but -- but pretty jarring. you know, i think these are the previous models. and as you point out, jim, compare the projections, versus what the real numbers were and, if anything, this particular organization has been conservative. that last one, october, they said 180,000 people would die, by their projection, by october. obviously, it's beginning of september, and we've already surpassed that. so, that gives you some idea. you know, there was some sense that we had sort of plateaued, in this country, at -- at an average of around a thousand people dying a day, which is awful. it's horrific to think about and we shouldn't get used to ever saying that. but what this model is -- is now projecting is that those numbers are going to go up. up to 3,000 people, potentially, dying every day by december. so it's -- it's -- it does make sense, sadly. >> professor haseltine, at the

upper end, worst-case scenario, a number could jump to 620,000, by january 1st, based on this model here. i mean, that presumes a further weakening of social distancing, mask wearing, et cetera, which we're seeing signs of. when you look at where this country is going, with its habits, now, on this and kind of exhaustion, right, with -- with the pandemic. do you consider that a realistic outcome? >> well, i think it is a realistic outcome. and -- and we know that this epidemic depends on our own behavior, amongst other things. where the president says we are rounding a corner reminds me, very much, of many years ago when lyndon johnson said there's a light at the end of the tunnel. it turned out, there was a tunnel, at the end of the tunnel. and the numbers that we're looking at. just think of what the on-course number looks like. it looks like as many people

dying, between now and december -- and we can have our own personal schedules, go from now to december. the same number of people as have died, from the beginning of this epidemic, are on track to die in the next three months. that's the average. if we take loosening up, more than we are, it's three times that, or 12,000 people a day dying. now, what does 12,000 people a day look like? i can tell you, in new york city, it looked like a makeshift morgue on the cross street, two blocks down from me, with 40 body bags on the street. one of them, a friend of mine. that's what it looks like. >> yeah. we saw it here in new york. new york, to its credit, i'm here right now, got it under control but by taking very strict measures, right, to reduce the spread. >> right. >> sanjay -- >> wearing a mask.

>> they are. >> 90%. >> people, they stick to the rules, to their credit. sanjay, a lot of focus, of course, on a vaccine. russia is making progress here, but they're jump starting the process, right, in that they're kind of rushing this out before the end of phase three trials. should we look at this as a good sign? i mean, is there good news in there on progress on a certain approach to a vaccine here? or are they going too fast? >> you know, i'm glad they released some data. i will say that. but i think we would be well served to be -- to be a bit skeptical here, right? i mean, first of all, when we last heard about this, we heard about this vaccine was registered, was kind of approved. you know, and there, in russia, you know, we heard that putin's daughter got a dose of this. we heard that one of the investigators gave himself a dose of this vaccine. that's not science, right? i mean, that's just audacity. but, you know, you've got to

sort of take these things into context. if you look at the data, we can show what the data is. it's early data. you know, i think there's 76 patients that have, now, you know, participated in the trial. they got two doses of this. they -- according to the literature that was published in the lancet, mild side effects, such as headache and fever. and it did show some evidence of generating antibodies. these types of neutralizing antibodies. not in the concentration that some of these other trials have. but it did show some of that. jim, i got to tell you, though. this is just a difficult story to cover because, you know, there's not a lot of transparency, period. we're talking about the russia vaccine. but frankly, with any of these vaccine candidates. we are seeing very limited data. sometimes, the data's coming to us by press release. sometimes, it's coming, you know, as a preprint. there's this bipartisan legislation that's been introduced called the safe authorization of vaccines during an emergency, which calls for the public to be able to get full transparency. i think that's a good thing, especially for this particular

vaccine. >> part of the driving force for that, professor haseltine, is it not, are fears in this country of political interference? i mean, you have the president saying, today, you know, vaccine by october. and cnn's reporting that he's putting pressure on health officials for some sort of good vaccine news, before the election. should americans be concerned that politics will influence the science, here? >> well, politics will influence the science, if it can. and we should be concerned because we don't know it's going to be safe or effective, nor can we know by november 1st. the second thing i would say is i've been looking at the russian numbers. if they had a miracle vaccine, why are their numbers going up? they don't have a miracle vaccine. if you look at the data, as sanjay just said, it looks like any, ordinary, phase one study. they called it a phase two study. it's not a phase two study. it's a simple, phase one study, with less than 100 people, that

did okay. there's even a couple of features i would commend about the vaccine. that they have one form that's heat stable. that's good for the third world. but it's not, by any means, an international standard or any kind of standard, for which to approve a vaccine for general use. >> well, let's hope the u.s. follows a better standard. sanjay, william haseltine, thanks to both of you. >> you're welcome. >> coming up. i'm going to speak with california congresswoman, karen bass, about race and politics. and the result of a new cnn poll on racism in america. are people more or less likely, now, to believe it is a major problem in the u.s., today? that's coming up.

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welcome back. for a time this year, the need for social justice reform was something that democrats, and even many republicans, could agree on. it all happened after those protests in minneapolis and around the world, over the death, in late may, of george floyd. some of his final words, pleading for his mother, with a police officer's knee on his neck. these protests helped refocus attention on previous cases, such as that of elijah mcclain, a 23-year-old, who died after authorities used ketamine to

subdue him. but as violence has crept in, it appears that public support, among some, for social justice is fading. according to a new cnn poll today, 55% of americans think racism is a big problem in this country. back in june, that number was -- was higher. 67%. want to speak, now, about this and other issues with california congresswoman, karen bass. she is chair of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> when you look at these numbers, here, do you worry that the moment, after george floyd's death that, that was more fleeting than you'd hoped? in terms of a moment for change, in this country? >> no, actually, as somebody who has worked on this issue for decades, i really think that moment has caused a seismic shift in our country. when we've had past examples of murders on videos, you never heard people connecting it up to the larger issue of systemic racism. now, i know the polls have

dipped, some. but i'm not discouraged by that. i do think that we have a lot of work that we need to do, in showing very specific solutions to -- police abuse. >> and -- and i was going to ask you about that. because after george floyd, there was -- there was a push for legislation, and it stopped, right, as so many things stop in washington. between democrats and republicans. kind of, you know, put on the back burner, it seems, until after the election. did that disappoint you? or you're shaking your head. is it possible we'll see something before the election? >> i am -- i am shaking my head because that is exactly what happened. what happened is that, you know, we did pass the bill out of the house, with bipartisan support. however, there have been discussions that have continued, bipartisan discussions have continued, with republicans in the house and, also, with a couple of people in the senate. now, my republican colleagues are talking to their counterparts, in the senate. and there is, still, hope. you know, in the legislative

process, you have things that appear to go to the back burner. but they're actually out of the public eye. >> okay. good. well, we -- we will -- let's keep up that conversation because we'd like to hear an update, when we get there. this week, you saw the president and his opponent visit kenosha. the president and, actually, some even said about joe biden, don't come, now. you know, there's too much going on here. when you looked at -- at both of those visits, do you think they made a difference? a positive difference? a negative difference? >> well, i -- i -- i do think that what the vice president did, absolutely, made a difference. and, maybe, if neither one of them went. i think it was very important that biden go, after trump's visit, because one of the reasons why i know there has been a decrease in those poll numbers is because trump has been doing everything he can to stoke racial conflict. absolutely. and that has had a negative

impact. but because he went and because he went, in the manner in which he did, it was imperative for the vice president to go, and i'm glad he did. i think his -- his visit was healing. he met with the family. he met with leaders in the community. and when leaders in the community asked trump whether or not he thought there was a problem with racism and police, and he said no, you can imagine what that meant to the african-americans and the other people in that community. >> so, on that point, i'm sure you heard the attorney general, bill barr, tell my colleague, wolf blitzer, earlier this week, his view of whether there are two justice systems in this country. have a listen. i want to get your response. >> sure. >> i don't think there are two justice systems. let's -- you know, i think the narrative that there's -- that the police are on some, you know, epidemic of shooting unarmed, black men, is simply a false narrative. and also, the narrative that that's based on race. the demonization of the police and the idea that this is so widespread an epidemic is simply wrong.

>> false narrative? false epidemic. what's your response? >> you know what, at the end of the day, you look at data. you look at data. how can you say that there's not two justice systems? the picture of that young man. actually, the 17-year-old. i hesitate to call him a man. walkling do walking down the street with an ar-15, after he had killed two people, shot, wounded a third. the police do absolutely nothing. if that had been a black man, he would have taken two steps. he would have been filled with 20 or 30 bullets. they gave him water, and sent him home. did not even arrest him. and what did they do to, you know, so, i mean, it's -- you know, you look at the data. you look at the incarceration rate. you look at the arrest rate. i would fully expect that, though, from attorney general barr, because he is not the attorney general for the united states. he is the personal attorney for the president. >> representative karen bass, thanks so much for joining. i hope we can keep up the conversation. >> thanks

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. breona taylor was killed by police and no charges been filed after her death. taylor's boyfriend says the officer did not announce himself during the late night raid. police say they did. a large protests are expected this labor day. we spoke with taylor's mother about the shooting and their family's search for justice. >> reporter: breona taylor's mother is still looking for answers. >> i have seen it failed the people so many times and going through this i definitely have less faith. i can't understand for the life of me why it is taken so long. >> reporter: tamika palmer waited five months since her daughter was shot and killed by

police. >> a lot of times you want to give up and you want to walk away. i know that she deserves justice. >> reporter: she was killed in the early morning hours of march 13 after a warrant police broke down her door without a warrant. her boyfriend said he fired a shot thinking they were intruders and police opened fire. a taylor, a 26-years-old died within minutes of being shot. >> anger and rage and hurt and guilt. >> reporter: why guilt? >> as a parent you feel you are out to protect your baby and i was not there. >> reporter: the investigation is not complete. one point is clear. police forced entry into taylor's home wrongly suspected that she was connected to a drug raid and that operation ended with taylor's death.

protesters have continued to call for the three officers involved in her shooting to be prosecuted and no one has been charged. in june police did fire one of the officers, brett hankison fired ten shots into taylor's home. his attorney disputed this allegation. in the wake of taylor's death, the louisville city council passed three warrant laws, requiring officers searching warrants to wear body camera. it was introduced last week into law. taylor's family continues to be inspired by support. >> george floyd and breona taylor and never ending list of

innocent people of color continues to be murdered. >> there is no vaccine for racism. we have got to do the work for george floyd, for breona taylor. >> reporter: athletes all over the world have taken a stand for the black lives matter movement. taylor's portraits posted around the city, one for each year of her life and calls for justice continues. >> i think there will be protests everyday. >> reporter: if justice is not served? >> i don't know. i hate to think about that. >> pete carroll is joining us now.

protesters are expected to demonstrate, how big of a demonstration? what do we expect? >> reporter: they're expecting hundreds or if not more demonstrators showing up here. i spoke to one of the organizers tonight, they know all eyes are going to be on louisville tomorrow. they say it is a perfect time to remind people that still there has not been justice for breona taylor or her family. >> thanks so much jason carol. the news continues. i am going to head it over to my colleague, don lemon, on "cnn tonight." >> it is friday night, i am don lemon, it is "cnn tonight." chris is off this evening. we'll start a little bit early. there is a lot happening tonight. the president of the united states running out of buses