welcome to a special edition of cnn newsroom. i'm dana bash in washington. >> what the [ bleep ]. >> this is louisville, kentucky, earlier today. large protest groups facing off with louisville police stepping in to keep them apart. one of those protest groups hoping to shift attention from today's running of the kentucky derby and put light on the police involved killing of an

unarmed black woman nearly six months ago, breonna taylor. jason carroll is in louisville right now. the kentucky derby is just getting underway. you were in a crowd that marched to churchill downs where it's taking place. what did people in that crowd tell you. >> we're still here. it's really an incredible site, an historic site. if you look here, churchill downs, the site of celebration for decades, now the site of civil unrest as you've got hundreds of demonstrators who have converged on the outside of churchill downs. they're met there by dozens and dozen of louisville metro police in riot gear. it's an incredible site. those out here say it's a necessary site, other necessary for justice for breonna taylor. we started at the park nearby and marched nearly a while to this location. certainly the outside perimeter

of churchill downs until we came to this point. what we've been seeing is you've seen people -- >> okay, we just lost jason carroll's microphone. that happens when you are running and gunning out live reporting, especially with technology. if we get his microphone back, we will go back. but you do see those protests, live pictures of the protests surrounding churchill downs, mostly -- as far as we know entirely peaceful. and it bears repeating, most of the protesters we see are wearing a mask. we'll see if this has any effect on the desire to bring those who killed breonna today tor to justice. want to bring you to the latest controversy to the engulf the white house. reporting that he insulted america's war dead calling them losers and suckers. this is a story that the

associated press and fox news matched as well. cnn is getting new information also. i want to go to jeremy diamond at the white house. jeremy, what are you hearing? >> there's no question the white house is still reeling from this report, the president vociferously denying it. now a senior official is confirming the story to jim acosta, confirming that the president did refer to these soldiers who died in this critical battle in world war i in france,that he referred to them in crude and derogatory terms. he referred to those individuals as suckers and losers as he was deciding whether or not to attend a ceremony at this cemetery in france. i want to read a story that describes that in detail. it says in hay conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled

meeting, trump said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. in a separate conversation on the same trip, trump referred to the 1,800 marines who lost their lives at bella wood at suckers f for getting killed. the president has denied this story and a parade of officials have come out to deny it as well. it is perhaps the strongest push back we have seen from the white house on a story like this. there's no question that the president politically needs the support of the military and also needs the vision that he is a great supporter of the military and of veterans in order to win in the 2020 election. now, besides that though, dana there is another piece of reporting we have from a person familiar with the comments. the president has repeatedly questioned why vietnam veterans ended up serving and going to war, that the president in those conversations has suggested that

those veterans didn't know how to gain the system, didn't know how to get out of military draft at the time. that seems to be a reference to the fact that the president himself never reserved in the military. he also received a medical deferment to avoid the draft after he received a doctor's note claiming that he had bone spurs. so, there's no question this is putting the president's relationship with the military and with veterans in the spotlight. and while the president portrays himself as the great defender of the military and of veterans, this is shining new light on that. there are past comments by the president including the attacks on the gold star family as well as other incidents like the president's questioning of john mccain and attacks on john mccain saying he was not a hero because he was captured. all of that is forming a complete and complicated picture the white house is not looking to engage in with less than two months until the election. >> complicated is a diplomatic

way of putting it. thank you so much for that reporting at the white house. with me to discuss this is california democratic congressman ted lieu. congressman, thank you so much for joining me. i asked you to come on not necessarily as a member of congress or as -- i think you would call yourself a partisan democrat, but as somebody who was an active duty officer in the united states air force. so, with that hat on, talk about what you hear when you hear these comments that the president reportedly has made? >> thank you, dana for your question. as a veteran, i find it outrageous that anyone would say that americans who gave the ultimate sacrifice were somehow losers or suckers. it is completely unacceptable when those words come from our commander in chief. donald trump must apologize for his dishonorable remarks. >> okay. well, i think you and i both know that's not likely to happen considering the fact that he is

vehemently denying it, a, and b, i don't think we've heard him apologize much for anything since he's been in political life. but talk about the effect that this may have -- not on politics, but on the men and women serving right now. >> we know from a recent poll a few weeks ago that active duty troops prefer joe biden over donald trump. we know that donald trump has disparaged gold star families in the past. he called john mccain, one of our war heroes, a loser. by the way, donald trump can start by apologizing for calling john mccain a loser. he's on a video tape saying that. imagine if you're a deployed person in afghanistan, you're one of our military members on the front lines and hear about these remarks by the president of the united states. how remoralizing that must be. i hope donald trump sees it

within himself to apologize for these comments because it is hurting military families and the morale of military troops. >> i want to ask you about this in terms of raw politics, because that is obviously what the president is most concerned about, as any president would be 60 days before he's up for re-election. knowing what you know about the way the public perceives this president, is this going to, in all candor, sway any votes given the fact that you just described comments that the president has made in public about people who have served like john mccain and others. is this baked in when it comes to the perception and a driver of what could happen in november? >> that's a great question. i think the polling shows that biden's lead has been relatively stable, and that's because most people have made up their minds about donald trump.

there's not that many people across america when you ask them about the president they're like i don't know what to think about him. there are some still deciding who they want to vote for. so, this will affect a small population of people. but also will affect turn out. and it's just going to, i think, depress turn out amongst supporters and really enrage veterans and other people who were deeply offended by donald trump's remarks. >> speaking about being offended, one person who should in theory be offended is former chief of staff general kelly who lost his son in battle. we have not heard from him or the former defense secretary mattis on these claims. i want to play for you what a senior trump official told my colleague ana cabrera this afternoon. >> i hate to tease this, but i've been pretty actively involved in trying to give people the confidence to come out and to say what they need to say and to not fear this

president. i do think in the coming days here i'm going to have news for you in that regard. and i think we will have more folks attaching their names to direct criticism of the president, stepping out of the shadows. >> what do you think when you hear that? and more broadly -- not more broadly, more specifically, should john kelly come out and talk publicly on the record about this since he was there and he, you know, has a lot at stake here? >> both john kelly and general mattis have spoken up in the past. i do urge them to do so again. the fact that they have not denied these reports i think already speaks volumes. the way of john bolton essentially saying that donald trump very well could have made these remarks. it's also consistent with donald trump's behavior. in addition to attacking gold star families and calling john mccain a loser, donald trump has yet to condemn vladimir putin

for paying money to taliban to kill u.s. troops. this is completely consistent with donald trump's past behavior and current behavior. and i don't think anyone in america really believes that donald trump didn't say this. >> thank you so much for joining me. you're right that general kelly and mattis both came out but not very actively. it was just mostly about the president going over to the church and bringing the military with him for what was widely perceived as a political stunt. but for the most part they've kind of kept quiet. we'll see if that continues with this current situation, this current controversy. thank you so much congressman ted lu. appreciate it. let's go back to louisville, kentucky. jason carroll is there. we've established coms with you. you are outside churchill downs. what's the scene like right now? >> just a short while ago we

heard from tim finley, jr., pastor finley. he talked about the need, the cig nave cancel to be out here today. as you see the marchers trying to go past the front entrance to churchill downs, you're not going to see the fans inside there. everyone out here knows that. they talked about the significance of being here because all ears and eyes are on louisville. they want to make sure that on this day that those who are watching know that there are thousands upon thousands of people here who are still marching and trying to get justice for breonna taylor. what you're seeing right here are those protesters who were out in front of churchill downs with all of these louisville police officers in riot gear. they made some statements and now what they're doing is if you look down here on this end of churchill downs, they're starting their march. they're starting their march again, and police are starting to follow them. we've been out here now for more than an hour. we started at a park nearby.

marched to about a mile to where we are now. i said to one of the organizers, i said what's next? they said, we're just going to keep marching, not only tonight, but night after night until there is eventually justice for breonna taylor. so, dana, at this point the march continues. >> and jason, before i let you go, it looks as though -- we've talked about the fact that it looks like the majority of the protesters are wearing action manies, but i think the thing that is also striking me as i'm looking at the video you're sending in as you talk, it's a very diverse crowd. >> reporter: oh yeah, yeah. without question. there are black people out here. there are white people out here, latinos, men, women. this crowd is diverse. i mean -- and that's one of the other points they're trying to get out here. those who support breonna taylor. they're saying that people of all different colors, all different dominations. that's in stark contrast to what we saw earlier today across town, if you will, when we saw

members of a white militia group sort of clash, come to odds with members of black lives matter. that was a different situation, different scenario. police got in the mid ole of that, broke that up, both sides went home. we've seen members of the black militia out here as well. it's illegal here in the state of kentucky to open carry, so that's not the point. the point is the demonstrators who showed up want to make sure it's not a black issue, not a white issue, it's an issue of justice. still not enough justice for women and men in the country. they say they're going to keep marching. >> thank you so much for that. i'm glad you explained what those pictures we've been seeing for the last few hours. armed militia. it is legal to walk and to protest with those weapons. we really appreciate you being there. keep us posted as you continue

to watch that protest again, protesting for justice for breonna taylor, who was killed in her apartment in a police-involved shooting six months ago. and coming up, we'll take you live to rochester, new york, where the new york attorney general has just impanelled a grand jury in the daniel prude shooting investigation there. can match the power of energizer. because energizer ultimate lithium is the longest lasting aa battery in the world. [confetti cannon popping] energizer. backed by science. matched by no one.

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he's looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days, and he's grasping for whatever he can get to pretend that he has been a leader on this issue when he has not. >> so, let's just say there is a vaccine that is approved and even distributed before the election. would you get it? >> well, i think that's going to be an issue for all of us. i will say that i would not trust donald trump, and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. i will not take his word for it. >> dr. patrice harris, former president of the american medical association, is with me now. doctor, you were head of the amma until recently. what would you tell your patients the lines are that the fda and the administration have

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and we want to make sure that this process is transparent and that we have access to all of the data. and i have to tell you, dana, as an african-american physician we know there's so much misinformation and disinformation overall out there and vaccine hesitancy. i feel greater responsibility to make sure we have the data that we need unfettered by politics. >> and this is for another conversation, but it's understandable that people in the black community are skeptical of vaccines, given what has happened historically in that community with science. again, that's another conversation. in the here and the now, "the wall street journal" is reporting that the coronavirus vaccine makers are planning a really unusual pledge against seeking premature fda approval. you kind of think, well, it

makes sense because this is also a business for them, or primarily a business for them. and the last thing they want is to take something to market to the public that either doesn't work or, you know, could actually hurt people. but does that give you some sigh of relief to see that at least the business side of this is saying we're not going to get politics involved either? >> certainly any stakeholder involved that makes a commitment to the science and the data and not politics is a positive move. but, dana, when i first heard that, i was very sad because here we are in this situation. it's absolutely unfortunate that we should even have to be concerned about this. this should be a given that, you know, no one would think about a vaccine and recommending a vaccine without the data. but here we are in this period

where there's been mixed messages, where there's a lot of science denial. so, certainly that is a positive move, but certainly we will have to see the data. and you know, it's september, and a lot of these clinical trials are still enrolling. so, at the end of the day, it will be about the science and a transparent look at the data unfettered by politics. >> dr. patrice harris, thank you so much. always good to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. and con "state of the union" storm morning, my interview with senator kamala harris. we talked not just about covid and as you heard about a vaccine, but the criminal justice system, the nation's reckoning on race, russian interference, and more. june me on "state of the union" storm morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern. plus less than two months from election day polls show

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less than two months out from the november election, and democratic presidential nominee joe biden is holding his lead over president trump in the national polls. but could all of these results, everything that we're seeing, come down to one electoral vote? let's discuss this with cnn senior political writer and analyst harry inton. let's start with that teaser.

how joe biden is doing nationally and what are you referring to when you tell us that it could be one electoral vote? >> yeah, so let's just start nationally, right? i think it's important to point out that joe biden continues to hold that national lead and not just that he holds that national lead but that he's doing better than hillary clinton was at this particular point. she was only up by 3, he's up by 8. the lead was holding through the conventions. it's a solid lead. it's the most solid lead, most stable lead i've seen on record dating back to 1940. >> wow, okay. well, as we've said many times and it bears repeating, the national outlook is important, but it is not determinative. i mean, if you look back, the national polls weren't wrong about hillary clinton. she did win the popular vote, but it comes down to the swing states and comes down to the electoral college. so, what are you seeing there? >> yeah, so the swing states are the most important as you point

out. what we see there is that in the six closest contests in 2016 that trump won n all of them, at this point, biden is doing worse than he is doing nationally. he's still ahead in polls. if you were to compare where the national vote is and what i would call the tipping point state, that is the state that puts you over the top in the electoral college, what do you see? you see that while biden is up by 8 nationally, he's only up by 5 in the tipping point state. that is arizona at this particular point. that would mean you have this three-point difference between the national vote and the state that's going to put someone over the top in the electoral college. i say that biden's true margin is closer to the five points than the eight points that the polls indicate right now. >> i mentioned one electoral vote -- this is in the story in cnn.com. it's in nebraska, the second

congressional district. that could be a decide senator. >> just love our politics. it gives two to the statewide winner and one to the winner each congressional district. if you were to take the state polling averages i showed you earlier and say trump does five better across the board, then joe biden would win with 270 electoral votes, the bear minimum necessary if he wins nebraska. and at this point i believe he would. that's one electoral vote. on cnn.com i have a slew of different scenarios that i think are realistic. >> which is why donald trump is hoping to get that one electoral vote in maine, as you mentioned. always good to talk to you. thank you so much. coming up, how an aspiring writer was unwittingly lured into a russian plot, a plot to

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now a cnn exclusive, a 26-year-old american who lost his job due to covid-19. got roped into an apparent russian plot to meddle in the 2020 election. he thought he got a lucky break when an online magazine offered hm a paid columnist role. little did he know he had been recruited by a russian troll farm. >> i mean, this isn't the way i wanted to be getting media attention or getting notoriety. this -- i mean, it's embarrassing, right? it's like i wrote for a foreign government and i had no idea. >> jack delaney is a 26-year-old aspiring writer who lost his day job at a restaurant because of covid-19. so, he was delighted when someone calling himself messaged him on twitter offering hem a

job writing for peace data, a left wing news website. >> the message was, you know, saying hey, we like your work, would you like to write for us? would you like to be part of our publication? we can offer you about $200, $250 per article. at that time time i was like it sounds like a good opportunity for me, make money, get work published. >> everything looked normal to delaney. >> i looked at the editors, saw linkedin accounts matched to their names. their pictures were popping up on google image searches. at a glance it looked legitimate. >> but he wasn't who he said he was. he didn't exist at all and peace data wasn't an independent left wing site. it was, according to facebook acting on a tip from the fbi, a russian operation. the russian government has not commented. >> i'm no fan or putin or the russian government.

so, it's -- it was concerning obviously. i -- you know, i don't want to have any association with an authoritarian regime. so, it was -- i mean i can't put in any other words that it was one of the strangest experiences of my life. >> it must be quite surreal to hear about this and say, oh, my god, i'm -- am i part of a russian disinformation campaign? >> it's totally surreal. i was completely totally unwittingly doing it. i had no idea they were linked to the kremlin or anything. obviously if i had known, wouldn't have done that. it seemed like -- it seemed legitimate from what i saw. >> the whole thing apparently a russian con. even the profile picture of delaney's editor not a picture of a real person but a picture of a face generated through artificial intelligence. >> if was looking at that pictue and there was no way i could tell it was a fake image. it looked so real.

>> it looked like a head shot, like a standard head shot of an editor i've seen other places. it didn't tip me off as being a fake image. i had no way to tell. >> and jack wasn't alone. cnn spoke to three other americans who were also co-opted, all paid online. it was done by people linked to the internet research agency according to facebook, the same russian troll group that interfered in the 2016 u.s. presidential election. >> i'm more mad at myself for letting this happen than vladimir putin or russia or anything. i should have had my guard up a little bit more. >> cnn's joanny o'sullivan joins me now. donie, what was the point of the scheme? how did he find out about it? >> this is all about adding fuel to the fire of what is happening here in the u.s., trying to inflame existing divisions along racial lines, along political lines.

this campaign was using real americans to make these sites and social media pages seem more credible. this site posed as a left wing website. what we saw on it were attacks on vice president joe biden, senator kamala harris, but from the left. you'll remember russia used social media in the same way in 2016 to try and split the democratic vote, trying to turn people against hillary clinton. and of course, dana, we know from u.s. intelligence, that russia right now is trying to meddle in november's election. and this is just one of the examples of the many techniques they are using. >> donie, it's one thing to read and learn about bulletins from the department of homeland security or intelligence about this. it's a whole different thing that you were able to show us how they are actually trying to work the get americans to do their bierty work for them inside russia. amazing reporting. thank you so much donie. and we're toll approximating live protests in louisville,

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protests are underway in louisville, kentucky, right now demanding justice for 26-year-old bron at theonna tay was shot and killed by police in her apartment back in march. i want to go to jason carroll who is still outside churchill downs. protesters are hoping to shift attention from today's running of the kentucky derby, where you are, to breonna taylor and to their demand for justice.

what's happening right now? >> well, you hit the nail right on the head with that one, dana. speaking to the organizers out here, they feel they've accomplished their goal. this is the park where the organizers initially had gothered. you'll remember earlier today we've marched away from churchill downs back to the park where it all started. so, i thought it would be appropriate we would bring in pastor tim finley. we spoke to you earlier today, pastor, as things were getting underway. we think it's appropriate to come to you at the end of the day. do you think you set out what you accomplished to do? >> absolutely. me talking to you right now was part of the plan. we wanted the world to see. we wanted everyone to see and understand that we're not happy. we're not satisfied with what the attorney general is doing, what the mayor is doing. we want justice for breonna taylor. while that race was going on, people were forced to pay attention to what was going on outside of churchill downs. and we did so non-violently.

we're going to continue to do this. >> the attorney general put out a statement on twitter saying he's still following all the facts, still trying to complete this investigation. >> breonna taylor was murdered 5 1/2 months ago. she was murdered 5 1/2 months ago. he has enough right now -- the mayor has had enough -- to fire them at the very least. we do not believe that it should take this long. it is taking too long, and too many times we see this happen with black and brown bodies. >> you said earlier today you wanted this to be a non-violent protest. it was from what we have seen. tense moments at churchill downs earlier today when you saw hundreds of those protesters. and on the other side of the fence you saw the police officers lined up. so, tense moments there. >> that's symbolic of black life in america,that we live in tense moments. we live in those kinds of moments where there's stand offs. there are rising frustrations. that's something that we're used

to. so, emotion, that's part of what it means to be black in america. that's why we're pushing for this kind of change. >> pastor tim finley, i want to thank you very much for joining us today. this demonstration over for now, but those out here say they are going to continue to demonstrate until there's justice for breonna taylor. >> thank you so much. it was really important to hear from the pastor at the end of the day there. thank you for that. and from louisville, kentucky, we go to rochester, new york. the death of daniel prude in police custody. officers who approached prude that snowy night have now been suspended. police used a spit sock over his head, after prude, who was having a mental health

resignation of the police chief. the meantime the reaction we're getting is not just from people in the community but officials as well who say we're hopeful this will be the step in the right direction as they try to fully investigate this case. a reminder the attorney general has been investigating this case since earlier this summer. there was ininternal

investigation launched by rochester city officials. as we heard from the police unit yesterday saying they were told the investigation found that these police officers acted within the boundaries of their training. so, that leads to the other big conversation that's been happening in this community was if that's the case, perhaps the training has to be checked and perhaps even revised here because the other concern that people have had is the question of whether or not police officers have the right training, the right experience, and most importantly the know-how in dealing with individuals who might be dealing with a mental episode, which appears to have been the case here. as we get ready for night four of protests here, of course a lot of people hoping things will remain as peaceful as they are right now. >> absolutely. let's hope so. polo sandoval, thank you so much for that report. we'll be right back. 's big 5g n. (shouting through the glass) at&t has nationwide 5g? yup! and that's faster? faster, yea! but is it reliable?

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jarring, daniella, to watch you run through a crowd of people without a mask on given where we are right now. i was with you at that event with elizabeth warren back in iowa. but, danielle, let me start with you. we're now showing america and the world that it is such a fun job and such a rush, but it's not a lot of glamour. >> reporter: yeah, exactly, dana. i have felt that this job really shows all the work that -- or this documentary really shows all the work that goes into everything we do to bring the news to everyone. i mean we don't sleep, we hardly eat, we run around living out of a suitcase. it's not glamorous, but it's an incredible job. i'm so glad people get to see what we do in this documentary. >> you're one of the stars in this show as well. i watch you in action in real

life because i get to work with you, but i love the fact that it's captured on this film. so what is the most important thing you want people to know about why you do what you do and why they should tune in to watch you do what you do coming up in this documentary soon. >> i think one of the most important things i want people to know is so much goes into telling the story that we do day in and day out, and so much of that is about not only telling the country's story but showing what it looks like on the ground. showing why people do this thing called democracy, why they exercise their constitutional duties and come to rallies and be a part of the process in picking their next president. when people watch, i hope that's one of the things that they take away. >> they sure will. jasmine, daniella, good to see you guys. good to see you out on the trail, whatever that looks light these days.

"on the trail: inside the 2020 primaries," next. don't miss my show tomorrow on state of the union at 9:00 a.m. and noon eastern, and i'll be back tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern on "cnn newsroom." have a good night. as a reporter, there's nothing like the rush of covering a presidential campaign. >> the 2020 democratic field is growing more crowded by the day. >>