into topics in more detail. anderson, good to see you, thank you. i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. and welcome back. labor day has passed, the summer season is officially gone and school is back in session. no it isn't. not in too many places. a major failing by our leaders. i'm going to talk a lot about the election tonight. we're eight weeks out. let's talk about what matters most, okay? our families, parents are burdened. and the people we say we want to do the most and the best for our kids are getting screwed. yet, the failure to control cases, to push for rapid

testing, that's the key, so we can best monitor cases and close to realtime and get resources where they're needed. still don't have it. eight weeks until the election. but eight months into this pandemic. that matters. that matters, who lies, who doesn't lie, what are they promising, what are they not promising. all of that is noise, it's politics. you know it in your own house, i know it in mine. that failure, our president and his administration and yes your governors and local leaders. they must own it. too many of our kids at public and private schools are not where they belong. school. home and life and work, disrupted. households will be jeopardized. financially and emotionally compromised. i don't see how kids that started off a little behind

won't fall further behind. you know they're not getting the same remote resources. even in you do get all the remote resources, if you're one of the lucky ones, you're still not lucky. a lot of plans we have for our kids may change. this is reality, and yes we should focus on it eight weeks out from election day. what is the answer. why mr. trump? why did our schools have to go back like this, i told them to go back. you knew they couldn't without the testing. why didn't you get them the testing. mr. biden, what would you do? now what we're in the thick of it. what are the first five things you'll do to help us, if we're anywhere near the flu/covid problems we anticipate. what will you do differently? the dead, the sick, the long haul syndrome.

you're going to hear more and more about it after mild cases. all of it in people's assessment of this pandemic. how your president and leaders failed them or helped fix for them. but that even our kids didn't muster anything better fan self-interest from this president. it has to matter. now, you're not hearing a lot of what i just said, right? you're hearing it now? but you're not hearing it from too many people, why? because it is easier to make this about what is more obvious. trump is a fool. he says foolish things. he calls people liars when he can't evening spell the word. he lies more than anyone any of us have ever seen in any major political situation. he pits people against one another in ways that are obvious and ugly.

that atlantic story about trump maligning veterans as losers. an allegation he defends by trashing the people he says he didn't trash. >> i'm not saying the military is in love with me, the soldiers are, the top people in the pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and everything else stay happy. >> the companies you meant to take care of? that you cut deals for? the commander in chief is going to bad mouth the generals? that's proof you didn't malign the military? does it matter? no. he encouraged some reporters to take their masks off and bragged about his maskless crowds tonight in north carolina. >> because of china, the arenas

aren't working out too well, you can't really do that for a while. we are rounding the turn. i believe these crowds are bigger than they were four years ago, it's pretty amazing. >> it's not true. he asked them, yeah, you can take your mask off. no wonder coronavirus hasn't magically disappeared. you keep telling people to take off one of the best forms of protection we have, you do it because you think it serves your self-interest. you know who else knows it? a lot of his supporters. they know everyone who comes in contact with this president has to be tested, he hasn't made that available for the rest of us. he wants you to refuse the testing mandate he can muster, and he wants to sell you a new magic solution. >> we're going to have a vaccine very soon, maybe even before a very special date. >> now, is he pushing them to

get it soon before the election? of course. is that wrong? maybe. but that's politics. do we know this vaccine is going to work? i hope so. is there enough for all of us? almost certainly not. be good to have a vaccine i guess. these are all damning things i showed you, none of it will decide this election. why? because even though just a fraction of that behavior would end -- i don't know if you noticed, they're coming after us a lot now too. why? why do potus and his puppets on fox state tv trash the ear players, because they know they have to keep the bar as low as possible. that's why someone who knows they are guilty of what they accuse someone else of still

does it. because they don't care if you think they're crap. they're banking on you thinking we're all crap. and maybe in some way we are. we're all flawed. you are only what you do at the end of the day. specifically to trump, you need to understand this eight weeks out, it's the most valuable part of the show, i know what's right. the base. trump supporters, they're not going to abandon him, you're not going to win their votes, why? several reasons, the right is more about winning than the left. they get in line. they are dogs, not cats. they do what they're told to do. it's bigger than that, it's not just about party. not even legitimate charges like the ones i just listed in many many many more that these real failings matter.

here's why -- >> you know, mexico is paying for the wall, just so you understand. remember i used to say, who's going to pay for it? they'd say mexico. that's right. >> that's a lie. he knows it's a lie. and i believe -- you see the faces of the people behind him? they know it's a lie too. but they laugh, why? because they're not going to abandon him, two reasons. one the party. not because they're bigots, that is not a winning strategy, and it's really not fair. do bigots have a strong affinity to trump? yes, but i say many of his supporters are likely not that. moreover, they know he is the bad things he say he is, his own family says it, his own staff say it.

they used to back other people and say he was the worst piece of garbage they've ever seen. one of his biggest supporters said he was destined for damnation. heavy stuff. why? truth doesn't hurt trump. the base doesn't expect truth from politicians. they don't expect it from him, even if he's worse. he banks on that. so he keeps trashing everyone and everything to lower the bar. make everybody garbage, then he doesn't stink as badly. many of trump's supporters support trump despite trump. again, many trump supporters support trump despite trump they are not for him. >> yeah, i love the lies, the

crudeness, the earn decency. they support him despite him because they are more afraid of what could replace them. that is the battle ground of this election. which is the least bad choice. who scares me worse? what are you up against? as somebody on the other side of trump. people frustrated with this process. and the insiders. they're scared by the violence in cities. i know 93% of protests are nonviolent. but they see the other 7 and it's more than enough. they are struggling too. they are poor, they are desperate, and they don't see how they should be blamed as privileged nor being racist for resisting the violence or the idea that being white is an automatic pass to prosperity. they do not feel privileged.

they feel desperate. and trump tells them you're right. but the left hates you. they hate you. you know how i know they say that? they've sent me emails saying exactly that to trump supporters. the late hates you. islam hates you, the illegals hate you. that's what he says. and it works. all the people in the processes, that people are afraid of, he says you should be. he represents more of the things that bother them than any politician in modern history. why support him? because he says what they fear. they support him because they're scared of these other things more than they are impressed by any of his failings. yes, i get it about trump, you bash him all the time, i get it,

i get it. they all lie, i'm more worried about you guys wanting to tear down the founding fathers, not let me say anything you disagree with. not let my kids go to school, not pay me what i want to be paid. i can't get ahead because you have to hire someone that checks a diversity box. i'm scared. what do you offer those people joe biden? kamala harris? that is the battleground. trump scares them, fear is powerful. demagogues are effective. the election that he wants to win, he's trying to sabotage, why? fear. even if it means discouraging the people that he needs to vote to vote remotely. listen to him. >> these elections will be fraudulent, they'll be fixed, they'll be rigged. >> how does he know?

there is no proof. we've never seen anything like that, but it sounds scary. i think this one's a bad play for him. i think trump has made two bad plays. one, put your arms around rapid testing, there's still time. say you're going to own it, we could get to a better place before the election. ramp it up, the emergency production act. say i'll give you a contract, don't tell me not to say things that would help trump. i want to get my kids back in school full time, and you do too. we're not doing what we can in this pandemic. the more sick, the more dead, the more long haul covid that will last for years. so that is where we are. that's the state of play. am i right or am i crazy? let's bring in david gregory, political analyst extraordinaire. you had to sit through 13 minutes of it, does any of it

resonate? ? and before you answer, god bless you, the wife, the kids and i hope everyone's healthy. >> thank you. and to you as well. i've been -- i agree with what you said, chris, you and i are in the same boat. we have teenaged kids and younger. we have a lot of resources and a lot of privilege to be able to get through that, and it's still hard. >> your son's a real ballplayer. your son could have a real future as a ballplayer. now the seasons are screwed up. and he won't be able to play as much. there are a lot of different reverb races. continue. >> this is real for a lot of people, what's unfortunate, we're in the middle of a toxic political conversation, that's as much about who we are and a lot more than about real policy, about the real direction of the country.

i -- look, a lot of things we can dissect. but so much of how we think about politics is about team sports. how did my team do today? how did the corn servetives versus the liberals do? and that's what's playing out. it plays out in media all the time. and it's difficult to get beyond that. i think -- you know, we have to remember some very foundational things to me. i think voters look at all this. to the extent they pay attention to the complete list of things you're talking about. they still want to know what's the temperament of the person i want to put in the job. can i trust them if flames go into the world trade center. are they competent? are they up for it? can they manage the response. and what's the future of my job and my well being and my ability to provide for my family. these are the real questions, and that's what trump's going to

be evaluated on. and to your point, i think it's been unusual in this campaign so far that we focus so much on trump. and what trump has done pretty well in the past month or so, he's made it what he wants, which is a referendum. you may not like me, but look at the other guy. don't even look at the other guy, look at the left. >> and so for biden. and i think frankly for the media. they're the best service to the audiences not pointing out what's best about trump. is the best service -- what's better than him? why shouldn't his supporters be so afraid of biden as an alternative? >> i think it's a question much i saw a t-shirt at this north carolina rally today that said,

the left -- liberals won't bully me. there's a lot of people that feel like that. if you have a different voice than trump, it doesn't matter, he will cancel you. people do feel like they can't speak out. whether it's at work, online, at school, in a meeting with their parents at school. people feel this way. i think biden has benefited i think, by being in the bunker. the mother he was underground the more focus was on interrupt. i think he had a good convention, but i think he comes into this fall a bit flat footed on the violence in portland and other places. when he came out to condemn looting and so forth, i don't think he was strong enough. trump is exploding this idea of law and order. it's an old trick to scare

suburbanites to think that the left and the people of color are coming after you, the rioters are coming after you. i thought biden was slow to condemn that. i think biden to your point, he has to step forward and say, this is what leadership looks like during a pandemic. this is complicated. we can go through the whole list of how the trump administration failed to respond to the pandemic. getting back to school is complicated. the schools should reopen. >> school's a killer. >> school's a killer, because it's going to hurt too many different people, too many ways. >> look at the colleges, all you need to know is that kids who don't care about following the rules are getting together and partying in a dorm and there's an outbreak. that's all you need to know about the virus, is that we can't -- >> also now as kids. and all these people, all those kids -- no, no, no, no, no. kids are going to do what they need to do.

you have to put parameters around them. we know that they can't test. people don't like to blame themselves. >> or their kids for their own problems. there's only one way to point. >> if we had rapid testing -- >> there's something new -- if you want to bash the institutions, i think always fertile ground in politics. david i want your take on this the doj is now working exclusively as trump's personal attorney in in the e.g. carroll case. it's one of the many allegations of real sexual harassment. real sexual assault. forget about harassment, assault. the papers you're seeing there, is the doj argues that trump was acting within the scope of his job as president when he said that carol lied about the

alleged rape so they want to defend it. remember, this case won't die. it keeps winning challenges in state court. no coincidence that the doj now picks it up. very controversial move. chance it backfires? or is it more just trump sucks but -- >> it speaks to a level of desperation. the campaign is lashing out. he's like the pr department. his justice department is his own personal law firm. a case that is showing signs of success -- the doj moves to dismiss it and take over jurisdiction. we've seen this in other cases. again, i think that strikes

people who are paying attention. they may like trump. they may forgive some of his other behavior, they'll compartmentalize. this smacks of corruption. of incompetence. this smacks of abuse. people don't like that in their president. if you want to say the media is exaggerating, there are those people who believe that. i think some of these things are bad places, i go back to where i started. if you think the president is up to the job. you think the president is corrupt, you have a problem pulling out a second time. i think that's the reality, it hurt president bush after iraq and katrina. and i think we saw what president carter, it's an issue, it sometimes can be much more of a gut level feeling than micro groups. veterans aren't going to vote for him now because of this

atlantic piece. you don't know if that's the case. it could be. >> i don't like his defense. of the military sucks. all the generals are against me anyway. as commander in chief, you say that about the guys you're supposed to lead? it's an allegation you said bad things about the military? i don't know. you have to swallow a lot to back trump. if you don't believe in our institutions, you think they're shady. he's know using one in a really shady way. i really believe the litmus test is, i don't care about trump. i'm for him despite him because i'm more scared of the alternative. can biden and harris aaswage tht fear? >> i've talked to people who express that very sentiment. they're not in the bag for trump. maybe they care about judges,

taxes. there's aspects of their own lives they'll zero in on. there are too many people on the left who drip with hatred for trump. there are people who can't understand how people support him despite his bad behavior. >> they have an understandably low bar of expectations, you can never underestimate that in politics. david gregory, and you cannot be overestimated in terms of your value to the audience. thank you. >> thanks. post labor day now. fall is soon upon us, but we cannot keep falling back. we have to do the work to get out of covid. yes, it will eventually burn through all of us and become a lesser order issue. but do you really want to pay that price? especially with what we're

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as you know, there were a lot of people across the country that couldn't get a covid-19 test during the height of the pandemic or even really now. and later, tested negative for the antibodies. and yet half a year later, they're exhibiting many of the classic long hauler symptoms, extreme fatigue, brain fog, cardiovascular issues, hair

loss. there are many of us that had covid, antibodies and also have these types of symptoms, even after the original virus seemed to go away. debra is one of them. she joins us now along with dr. william lee who is studying long haulers. now that i see your face, i remember we were in the same place, at a wedding. >> i can tell you how long ago it was, i was pregnant the with my daughter and she's now 23. >> i'm glad to see you, i'm sorry we're meeting again this way. debra knows how to understand a situation in context. dr. lee is doing the research and figuring out what's working

and what isn't. these conversations help as well. debra, debrief? >> so i got sick on march 18th, and so did my partner and my younger son. my older two -- one of them was in the peace corpse and the other was working with syrian refugees. it was just the three of us, my son had fever and diarrhea, my partner was extremely fatigued. i was the one that couldn't breathe at all. i'm talking at all. i felt like a fish flopping on shore. i didn't breathe normally until august of this year. i was on a steroid inhaler during the weeks of sickness i was on a nebulizer to breathe, before we were told that we could turn over and that would help breathing.

i just kept tossing and turning until i could breathe correctly. by july or august i was feeling okay, but i had this racing heart, and i'm a biker, i do yoga, i walk, i do exercise all the time, when i would go up hills on my bike, i would have to stop. i live on a fourth floor walkup. every time i come home, i literally have to lie down on every landing, stick my feet up in the air or my heart rate goes as high as 147 or 170. >> what about a heart exam? >> i went to a cardiologiscardie cardiologist i saw said i have pots. >> who? >> i heard of pots before, because one of my son's friends has it, it's postural orthostatic cardiosyndrome. when you stand up blood

automatically pulls in your pelvis and legs. that's normal. with pots, it rushes there, goes away from the brain, away from the heart area, the heart thinks, oh, no, emergency and it beats too hard. therefore i feel like i'm going to pass out and i often do pass out. i had a dinner dinger on my he falling in the shower. >> any fix? >> gatorade and spanx. you have to have real expression socks, compression pants. too hot to wear right now in the summer months, i'm going to get some. coconut water, and there's a protocol caughted the chop protocol or the lavine protocol or dallas protocol. you have to go on a recumbant

exercise bike, swim or rowing machine all of which are unavailable to me during a pandemic, so much for that. >> and then they'll say ultimately and time. they believe it's virally induced. that was perfect as expected. thank you. now, dr. lee. had you heard of the manifestation of pots from post covid? again, debra has no business having pots, everything she does in her life is counter indicative to having pots? >> chris, thanks for having me back on. you were telling a story that is the next piece of this puzzle, this thousand piece puzzle we're calling long hauler syndrome. i heard of pots before as a medical doctor, but we're only now starting to realize this is happening maybe more commonly than we think in people who have recovered from covid, you're like many other people that in march it was not easy to get a

test, you didn't even know that you didn't have a confirmation you had covid, if you had antibodies and you didn't have them. it became really difficult. you're outside of the box, and yet you have post covid syndrome. what we understand about pots, it's a combination of your heart, blood vessels and nerves. the automatic nerves reset the fluid column in your body. your body is desperately trying to anything out how to get enough blood to your brain. you lay flat and sit suddenly, you get that head rush. you're getting a head rush by walking up and down the steps. just last week researchers took a look at the heart and found out that covid virus actually can shred heart muscle cells growing in a dish. this is a diabolical virus. the more we learn about it, the

more we realize we need to get on top of this, so we don't have a second epidemic. >> with your consent i will put you together on a text thread so you can continue the conversation. what you can avoid is also as important as what to do. debra, you know i'm going to be a resource, i'm hearing and learning things all the time. i'm in contact with dr. lee and many others. thank you for sharing. the idea that this just goes away is increasingly not true. god bless and be well, i'll be in touch, dr. lee, thank you. when you look at the race in context is, why is it so close with so many bad things going on on the incumbent's watch. i gave you an argument for it at the top of the show.

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harry entin the wizard of oz comes to join us to give you a statistical opportunity. a tighter race than the polls were suggesting. two reasons, one popular vote doesn't matter. it's about the states that matter and the counties that matter, and the dynamics that affect the same. yes, young harry, i'm glad you agree. state of play in the swing states. continue. >> yeah, i mean, look. putting aside your giant ego, let's take a look at the polls right now, in the swing states

versus nationally. i think this tells the story. nationally joe biden is ahead by 8 percentage points. when you look at the six swing states, biden's lead is less. he's still up in them. >> almost within the margin of error in all of them. and most of all florida, last time you came on the show, you had florida around 8 to 12 for biden and i said that sounds crazy. you said, boy, if he's up that much in florida and it holds -- it didn't hold. >> the only thing that's crazy is your recollection. i think this is a key thing here, if you look at what i call the tipping point state, that is the state that contains the median electoral vote plus one. what is the margin in that state right now? that state is arizona, and the margin is plus five for biden, you see a three-point gap between what the popular vote

says and what the electoral college deciding vote is at this point. the race is closer than you think, but biden still has an edge. >> no, the race is closer than you think. i think it's a dead even thing and biden and kamala harris have to figure out a way to counter what the president is offering. fear sells in a scary environment which is what we're in. the electoral college, give me a take on how trump is overperforming there. >> i mean, he's overperforming there in the way we're talking about right now, in the states that matter, what you see is that biden is over performing. but here's the key nugget which sort of gets your whole point of, you were talking about earlier, fear and driving up white resentment right and trying to scare older folks. right now we're not seeing that in the poles. joe biden is over performing

with white people. >> it's where and why? we did where, thank you. now, why. that's the old scare tactic. they're scary times. pandemic, even if he's responsible for botching the response, scary. violence in the streets, even if it's a small percentage, scary. these are scary things. law and order sells in scary times, what are you seeing in the numbers? >> sometimes it sells in scary times, the fact is, if you look at the polling and you look at white voters, you look at senior citizens, you see that biden is doing better than hillary clinton did. you can look at the law and order polling, which suggests that joe biden is winning on that issue, or at least keeping trump's edge to a small margin. and more than that, on the list of important issues, law and order is not resonating, i know you're talking about it, the polls indicate that is not the case. that's not the reason if you

want to argue trump's closings if he is. number one, obviously the coronavirus pandemic, although still bad, and then the second thing if you take a look at the economic indexes and put them all together into one giant one, it's not as bad as i think a lot of people think it is. >> harry, i love you, you're smart, you help the audience, you make us better, and i appreciate it. be well brother. >> you sent a nice text message for me this weekend and the person we were talking about, he would have really liked you. and you're a really good guy. i know you come across sometimes on air as something, but in person you're great. i like you both places. >> thank you very much. on air you come across as something. ladies and gentlemen, harry entin. when the world gets complicated,

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president trump is banning federal agencies from holding racial sensitivity training calling it anti-american propagan propaganda. he's also threatening to defund schools that are use iing educan material from 1619. dhs assesses white supremacy to be the most lethal threat of the united states. in 2018, oath 8% of high school seniors can identify slavery as the central cause of the civil war. you mix ignorance and arrogance you get a dangerous combination. why don't we understand these cultural biases can make a

difference and just care about it. >> that's not what this is doing, these are -- you know, 1619 project and these "diversity or sensitivity trainings" are indoctrination sessions that divide us. it's solely focussed on dividing about race. to quote -- >> how is it dividing. help me understand. by telling you be careful, we fought a war over slavery? >> that's not what the memo says. it says we shouldn't divide people by race and say that because you're white you are privileged. and you're guilty of certain things. if you read the memo that's what the president was referring to. saying these courses that are basically devicive and talk about the centrality of race having to do with everything.

the problem here. >> i get the argument. >> sensitivity and learning history. and certainly every valid historian said the 1619 project is invalid. we're all for learning -- >> hold on. okay. my turn. every respectable historian has not said that about the 1619 project. i didn't do the 1619 project, i have no connection to the project, but in looking at what it's formation was about which is making sure people understand the role of slavery in this history and in the war. >> it says america was born on as a racist country. and they fought the revolution over slavery. >> they did fight the revolution over slavery. you and your people weren't here. my people weren't here. the civil war was about slavery.

and you only have -- >> she said the 1619 project says the revolutionary war was over slavery. it's absurd. it is ahistorical. >> even if you think it goes too far, how does the solution not go too far? fine. you don't like the 1619 project you can't go back to the revolution. stick with the civil war. there's your tweak. sensitivity training. we have systemic inequality. you know it, i know it. i can quote facts all night long. you don't want to hear them you don't want to defend them. the president won't say it exists. how is that alone not a case to have the training? >> here's what i would say, with respect to training, i would be for training to let people who have thoughts and concerns whether they are liberal or

conservative or black or white that people have the right to air those concerns and feel comfortable doing so. these are prescriptive. telling you how to think. the reason that people are whistle blowing on these is they are pushing an agenda. that's the problem. if it was simply to say we should be sensitive and listening to different points of view and shouldn't be making presumptions that because you are white you are privileged. >> that's not what the training is. that is a scare tactic. the di visive thing. this president is saying -- >> there's plenty of information these training sessions are occurring. >> you are generalizing. the specific problem is our president says there's no so so thing as systemic inequality and the blacks will come to the neighborhood with crazy white friends and destroy your houses and take away the suburbs.

and you'll say my crystal ball, i don't like he says it that way but this goes too far too. training people that slavery and systemic oppression has effected the institutions is the truth. why shouldn't we educate people agent it? >> because here's what i would say, i think that to simply focus on that and make the presumption that because you are white you are privileged. >> that's not the point of the training. >> that's the memo saying. >> you're white, you're bad and privileged and to blame for everything bad that happened to black people, go home and say sorry. that's not the point of it. it's not what the memo says. >> i have read it. >> so have i. it says it as an aspect of opening understanding how experiences are different. and you know it's true.

>> no one is opposed to having the discussion. >> the president is opposed. rick, the president says systemic inequality doesn't exist. do you agree? >> do i think there's racist in the country? yeah. >> systemic inequality. we don't educate the same way, punish the same way, hire the same way. >> i would say that we are an imperfect society. >> that is true what i said. do you agree? >> we are an imperfect society. >> why won't you just say you agree. >> i agree we can improve. >> say the president is wrong it deny that. >> the situation is anywhere near what it was 50 years ago. >> it's about it being it's not where it could be and the president has a problem and you won't say he's wrong.

you agree but won't say he's wrong. what does that make you? >> the memo he's endorsing is not what you are suggesting it is. it's saying that the -- >> it's not about the memo. you won't admit we have a problem. you say the prescription goes too far. what do you care about the medicine you won't admit the illness? >> the remedy proposed is worse than the illness. dividing by race and calling white privilege -- >> they're opening peoples eyes to different experiences. here's the problem. you have to start telling this president he's wrong to deny the existence of systemic inequality. you have to say he's wrong. you keep coddling him and it gets worse. i have to jump. you are always welcome here. and we do it in a spirited decency. i'm not him, you're not him.

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