we're eight weeks out. but let's just talk about what matters most, okay? our families. parents are burdened. and the people that we say we want to do the most and the best for, our kids, are getting screwed. and yet the failure to control cases, to push for rapid testing, that's the key, so we can best monitor cases in close to real time and then get resources where they're needed. still don't have it. eight weeks until the election, but eight months into this pandemic. now that matters. that matters, who lies, who doesn't lie, what are they promising, what are they not promising? who's worse? me or somebody on some other network. all of that is noise. that's politics. this matters. you know it in your own house. i know it in mine. and that failure, our president and his administration, and, yes, your governors, your local

leaders, they must own it. too many of our kids at public and private schools are not where they belong. school. home and life and work disrupted. households will be jeopardized financially and emotionally compromised. and i don't see how kids who started off a little behind won't fall further behind. you know they're not getting same remote resources. even if you do get all the remote resources, you're one of the lucky ones, you're still not lucky. a lot of plans we have for our kids may change. this is reality. and, yes, we should focus on it eight weeks out from election day. what is the answer? why, mr. trump? why did our schools have to go back like this. i told them to go back, yeah, but you knew they couldn't without the testing. why didn't you give them the

testing. what about you, mr. biden? what would you do? you're going to be in here in november, january, if you win. we're still in the thick of it. what are the first five things you'll do that will help us if we're anywhere near the fluindividual, flu plus covid problems, we anticipated. what will you do differently? the dead. the sick. the long haul syndrome. you're going to hear more and more about even after mild cases. all of it is going to matter in people's assessment of this pandemic and how this president and their other leaders failed them or helped fix for them. but that even our kids didn't muster anything better than self-interest from this president, it has to matter. now, you're not hearing a lot of what i just said, right? i mean, you're hearing it now, but you're not hearing it from too many people. why? well, because it is easier to

make this about what is more obvious. trump is a fool. he says foolish things. he calls people liars when he can't even spell the word. he lies more than anyone either of us have probably ever seen in any major political situation. he pits people against one another in ways that are obvious and ugly. that "atlantic" story about trump reportedly amining wounded veterans as losers. an allegation he defends by trashing the people he says he didn't trash, the military. here, listen to him. >> i'm not saying the military's in love with me. the soldiers are. the top people in the pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy. >> the companies you made -- meant to take care of. that you cut deals for. the commander in chief is going

to bad-mouth the generals? that's a good answer? that's proof that you didn't malign the military? but does it matter? no. he encouraged some reporters to take their masks off and bragged about his maskless crowds tonight in north carolina. here it is. here's the proof. don't believe me. >> 1,000 people here tonight. but because of china, the arenas aren't working out too well, right? you can't really do that anymore for a while, but we are rounding the turn. i really believe that these crowds are bigger than they were four years ago. it's pretty amazing. >> that's not true. asked him, yeah, you can take your mask off. no wonder coronavirus hasn't magically disappeared. you keep telling people to take off one of the best forms of protection we have and you do it because you think it serves your self-interest. and you know who else knows it? a lot of his supporters. they know everyone who comes in contact with this president has

to be tested, but he hasn't made that available for the rest of us. you know it. now he wants you to forget he denied the pandemic and refuseed to do the kind of testing mandate that only he can muster and he wants to sell you a new magic solution. >> so we're going to have a vaccine very soon. maybe even before a very special date. >> now, is he pushing them to get it soon before the election? of course. is that wrong? maybe. but it's politics. now, do we know that this vaccine's going to work? i hope so. is there enough for all of us? almost certainly not. be good to have a vaccine, i guess, as long as it works and people are willing to take it. these are all really damning things i just showed you, but none of it will decide the election, why? because even though just a fraction of that behavior would

all but end biden or anyone like us in positions like me. i don't know if you noticed, but they're coming after us a lot. why? why do potus and his puppets on fox state tv keep trashing the other players often without basis? because they know they have to keep the bar as low as possible. that's why someone who knows they are guilty of what they accuse somebody else of still does it! because they don't care if you think they're crap. they're banking on you thinking that we're all crap. and maybe in some way we are. we're all flawed. nobody's really better than anybody else. you are only what you do at the end of the day. not what you say. but specifically to trump, you need to understand this eight weeks out. it's the most valuable part of the show because i know it's right. the base, trump's supporters, they're not going to abandon him. you're not going to win their votes.

why? several reasons. the right is more about winning than the left. they get in line. they are dogs, not cats. they do what they're told to do. but it's bigger than that. it's not just about party. not even legitimate charges like the ones that i just listed, and many, many, many more that these real failings matter. here's why. >> and you know mexico is paying for the wall, just so you understand. they don't say that. >> remember i used to say who's going to pay for it? they'd say mexico. that's right. >> that's a lie. he knows it's a lie. and i believe -- you see the faces of the people behind him? yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. they know it's a lie, too, but they laugh. why? because they're not going to abandon him. two reasons. one, the party one. now two more.

not because they're bigots. that is not a winning strategy and it's really not fair. do bigots have a strong affinity to trump? yes. but i argue to you many of his supporters are likely not that. moreover, they know he is all of the bad things you say he is. his own family says it. so his own staff say it. they used to back other people and say he was the worst piece of garbage they've ever seen. one of his biggest supporters said he was destined for damnation. heavy stuff. so why? truth doesn't hurt trump. the base doesn't expect truth from politics or politicians. so they don't expect from him. even if he's worse. he banks on that. so he keeps trashing everyone and everything to lower the bar,

make everybody garbage. then he doesn't stink as badly. many of trump's supporters support trump despite trump. again, many trump supporters support trump despite trump. they are not for him. yay, i love the lies! i love the crudeness. i love the indecency. they support him despite him because they are more afraid of what could replace him. and that is the battleground of this election. which is the least bad choice? who scares me worse? what are you up against? as somebody on the other side of trump. people are frustrated with this process. and the insiders pup, they're scared by the violence in cities. i know 93% of prefers are

nonviolent, but they see the other 7% and it's more than enough. they are struggling, too. they are poor. they are desperate. and they don't see how they should be blamed as privileged nor being racist for resisting the violence or the idea that being white is an automatic pass to prosperity. they do not feel privileged. they feel desperate. and trump tells them you're right. but the left hates you. they hate you. you know how i know they say that? because they've sent me emails saying exactly that to trump supporters. the left hates you. islam hates you. the illegals hate you. that's what he says, and it works. all the people in the processes that people are afraid of, he

says you should be. he represents more of the things that bother them than any politician in modern history. so why support him? because he says what they fear. they support him because they're scared of these other things more than they are impressed by any of hi failings. yes, i get it about trump. you bash him all the time with the lies. i get it. i get it. but they all lie. and i'm more worried about you guys wanting to tear down the founding fathers, forget about christmas, not let me say anything you disagree with, not let my kids go to school because everybody's got to check a diversity box, not pay me what i want to be paid. i can't get ahead because you got to hire somebody who checks some diversity box. and i'm scared. what do you offer those people, joe biden? kamala harris. because that is the battleground. trump scares them. fear is powerful.

demagogues are effective. the election that he wants to win, he's trying to sabotage, why? fear. even if it means discouraging the people that he needs to vote to vote remotely. listen to him. >> these elections will be fraudulent. they'll be fixed. they'll be rigged. >> how does he know? there is no proof. we have never seen anything like that, but sounds scary. now, i think this one's a bad play for him. i think trump has made two bad plays. one, put your arms around rapid testing. there's still time. say you're going to own it. we could get to a better place before the election. ramp it up. the emergency production act. give people the capital. say i'll give you an output contract. don't tell me not to say things that would help trump. i want to help us. i want to get my kids back in school full-time and you do too. we're not doing what we can to to get through this pandemic.

and the longer it drags, the more sick, more dead, more long haul covid that will last for years. so that is where we are. that's the state of play. now, am i right or am i crazy? let's bring in david gregory, political analyst extraordinaire. you had to sit through 13 minutes of it. does any of it resonate? and before you answer, god bless you, your wife, the kids. i hope everybody's healthy and figuring out the new normal. >> yeah, thank you. and to you as well. and i've been, you know, i agree with a lot of what you've said, chris, and you and i are in the same boat and we have teenage kids and younger who are beginning school at home remotely and we have a lot of resources and a lot of privilege to be able to get through that, and it's still hard. >> and your son's a real ball player. you son could have a real future as a ball player and now all of the seen are screwed up. >> right. >> some kids in the country will be able to play.

he won't be able to play adds much. a lot of different reverberations. continue. >> yeah, so this is real for a lot of people. and what's such thunfortunate i we're in the middle of a toxic political conversation that's as much about who we are and the social fabric of the country and a lot more than about real policy, about the real directs of the country. and, look, a lot of things we can dissect, but, you know, so much of how we think about politics is about team sports. how did my team do today? how did team trump do today? how did team biden do today? how did the conservatives versus liberals do? and that's what's playing out. and plays out in media all the time. and it's very difficult to get beyond them. so i think, you know, we have to remember some very foundational things to me. that i think voters look at all this -- to the extent that they pay attention to the complete list of the things that you're

talking about, they still want to know what's the temperament of the person i want to put in the job? can i trust them if plane goes into the world trade center, the freedom tower, and a real crisis. do they have the temperament for the job? are they competent? are they up for it? you know, during a pandemic, can they manage the response. what's the future of my job and well-being and my ability to provide for my family? these are the real questions and that's what trump's going to be evaluated on. and to your point, i think it's been unusual in this campaign so far that we focus so much on trump. and what trump has done i think pretty well in the past month or so, he's made it what he wants, which is a referendum, which is you may not like me, but look at the other guy. you may not like me, but forget about me, look at the left. don't even look at the other guy, look at the left. what about those people? what are they going to do to you? that's the battleground he wants to fight. >> how do you -- so for biden, and i think, frankly, for the

media -- i think the best service to the audience is not pointing out what's obvious for trump. if you need me to tell you the guy lies and can't even spell the word, you haven't been paying attention. is the best service -- well, what's better than him? why shouldn't his supporters be so afraid of biden/the left as an alternative? >> i think it's a question. and i think, you know, i saw a t-shirt at this north carolina rally today. a guy had a shirt on that says "liberals won't bully me". and guess what? whether you agree with that or not, a lot of people feel that way. they feel aggrieved. they feel their voice doesn't count. by the way, if you have a dissenting voice against president trump, your voice doesn't count either. he'll cancel you as soon as he says the left will. we want to underline that hypocrisy. people do feel like they can't speak out. whether it's at work. whether it's online. whether it's in their school or in a meeting with other parents at their school. people do really feel this way. and so i think, you know, biden has benefitted, i think, by being, quote, unquote, in the

bunker because i think the more he was underground, the more focus was on trump. i think he had a good convention, but i think he comes into this fall i think a bit flatfooted on the violence out in portland and other places. when he came out to condemn looting and so forth, i don't think he was strong enough and i think trump is exploiting this idea of law and order. it's a very old trick. you know, to scare suburbanites into thinking that the left and people of color are somehow coming after you and that the rioters are coming after you. that's not the case. but that's what he's trying to use, and i thought that biden was slow to condemn that. and i think biden, to your point, now he has to step forward and say, this is what leadership looks like during a pandemic. because this is complicated. right? and we can go -- we can go through the whole list of how the trump administration failed to better respond to the pandemic. but it's still complicated. getting back to school's complicated. >> school's a killer. >> just because president trump said school should reopen doesn't mean he was wrong, he didn't have a plan to do it. >> school's a killer because

it's going to hurt too many people in too many different ways. >> right. look at the colleges. look at the colleges. all you need to know is kids that don't care about following the rules are getting together and partying in a dorm and there's an outbreak. >> right. >> so that's all you need to know about the virus, we can't go back to doing that. >> also known as kids. oh, those kids, you know, no, no, no, no, no, kids are gonna do what they're gonna do. you got to put parameters around them. they need posts and they're not giving them. and we know that they can't test. people don't like to blame themselves or their kids for their own problems and there's only one way to point. if we had the rapid testing, it would be different. now, there is something else that you introduced to me that i think is a little bit of a dicey play. because if you want to bash the institutions, i think that's always fertile ground in politics. but david pointed out to me, and i want your take on this -- david will deliver why he thinks it mattered enough to talk to me about it. but the doj is now arguably working exclusively as trump's

personal attorney in the e. jean carroll case, okay? it's one of the many allegations of real sexual harassment. real sexual assault. forget about harassment. assault. now, the papers that you're seeing there is the doj argues that trump was acting within his scope of the job as president when he said that carroll lied about the alleged rape so they want to defend it. now, remember, this case won't die. it keeps winning challenges in state court. no coincidence that the doj now picks it up. very controversial move. chance it backfires or is it more just trump sucks but -- >> right. well, but i -- but it speaks to a level of desperation. i mean been he, here you have a president and a presidential campaign that are very much one in the same. they usually are, but his is even more so, that is lashing out. he's like the pr department who wants to respond to everything

in real time right away. and he has power at his disposal and his justice department is acting very much as his own personal law firm. and you see it again. again, a case that was showing signs of success in the state courts, now doj to dismiss it and take over jurisdiction. we've seen this in other cases. you saw it in the michael flynn case as well to dismiss those charges. again, i think that strikes people who are paying attention -- they might like trump. they may forgive some of his other behavior. maybe they don't love it, but they'll compartmentalize. this smacks of corruption. this smacks of incompetence. this smacks of abuse. people don't like that in their president. and, yeah, if you want to go on and say, oh, the media's exaggerating or this is a false claim, there are those people who believe that and they'll make a determination, but what i'm saying is i think some of thee things are bad plays because i go back to where i started. if you think the president is

not up for the job, if you think the president is incompetent or you think the president is corrupt, you've got a problem pulling that lever a second time. >> right. >> i think that's the reality. it hurt president bush after iraq and after katrina and i think, you know, we saw it with president carter. it's an issue and it sometimes can be much more of a gut level feeling. >> right. >> than microgroups. you say, oh, veterans aren't going to vote for him now because of this "atlantic" piece. we don't know if that's the case. it could be. others who don't like seeing the military disrespected. >> i got to tell you, i don't like his defense of the military sucks. all the generals are against me anyway. as commander in chief, you say that about the guys that you're supposed to lead and that's your defense against an allegation you said bad things about the military? i don't know. you got to swallow a lot to back trump. if you don't believe in our institutions, if you think they're shady, well, he's now using one in a really shady way.

>> right. >> but, again, i really believe the litmus test is i don't care about trump. i'm more scared of the alternative. can biden and harris assuage that fear? if not, they lose. the winner -- >> and i think it's such an important question because i'm sure you've talked to people professionally, personally, and i've done the same, who expressed that very sentiment. >> mm-hmm. >> they're not in the bag for trump. maybe they're conservatives. maybe they care about judges. maybe they're worried about taxes. there's aspects of their own lives that they'll zero in on. and there's too many people on the left who are dripping with hatred for trump who can't understand how some people could support him despite some of his conduct. yet we've seen people will compartmentalize about their political support for people, even if there is bad behavior. >> look, they have an understandably low bar of expectations and you can never underestimate that in politics. david gregory, and you cannot be overestimated in terms of your value to the audience.

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as you know, there were a lot of people across the country that couldn't get a covid-19 test during the height of the pandemic. or even really now, right? and later tested negative for the antibodies. and yet, half a year later, they're exhibiting many of the classic long hauler symptoms. extreme fatigue. brain fog. cardiovascular slus. issues. hair loss. just to be clear, many of us knew they had covid, know they have the antibodies and also have these types of symptoms, even after the original virus seemed to go away. deborah is one of them. she joins us now along with dr. william lee. who is studying long haulers. it's good to see you both. and deborah, now that i see your face, yes, i do remember that we are in the same -- at the same wedding in the same place. and that's not covid brain, i'm

just old. >> i can tell you exactly how long ago it was because i was pregnant with my daughter and she's now 23, so 23 years ago. >> well, it is good to see you. i'm glad that the family has grown, and i am sorry that we're meeting again this way. deborah's also a former abc journalist. so she knows how to understand a situation in context. dr. lee is recurring. i'm working with him privately. i'm working with him professionally. he's doing the research and he's figuring out what's working and what isn't and these conversations help him as well. so, deborah, debrief. >> yeah. debrief. so i got sick on march 18th, and so did my partner and my younger son. my older two were -- one of them was in the peace corps and the other one was, you know, working with syrian refugees. so it was just the three of us in our home and all of us got sick. my younger son had, you know, fever and diarrhea. my partner was just extremely fatigued and i was the one that couldn't breathe at all. and i'm talking at all for about

a week where i felt like a fish flopping on shore. my symptoms lasted -- the breathing, i didn't breathe normally until august of this year. i was on an inhaler twice daily, a steroid inhaler. . during the weeks of sickness i was on a nebulizer until i could breathe. until we learned we could turn over. i'm a biker, i do yoga, i walk, i do exercise all the time, and when i would go up hills on my bike, i would have to stop because i felt like i was going to pass out. i also live on a fourth floor walk-up so every time i come home, i literally have to lie down on every landing, stick my feet up in the air or my heart rate goes to 147, sometimes as high as 170.

>> what does the heart exam say? >> so i went to a cardiologist because my cousin is a cardiologist at stanford. she said you got to go see a cardiologist. the cardiologist i saw at nyu langone said i had potts. >> whom? >> one of my friends has it. what it means is this -- when you stand up, which everybody does who is human, and this is how we all stand on two feet. blood automatically pools in your pelvis and your legs. now, that's normal. with p.o.t.s., it rushes there, away from the brain and heart area. the heart things, oh, no, emergency, and it beats too hard. and therefore i feel like i'm going to pass out, and i often do pass out. i had a dinger on my head from, you know, bumping into the shower. >> any fix? >> gatorade and spanx. you know, you have to drink a

lot of electrolytes. spanx is probably not enough pressure. real compression socks. compression pants. too hot to wear right now in the summer months. >> right. >> but i'm going to go get some. you know, coconut water. >> yeah. >> and there's a protocol called the chop protocol or the lavine protocol. it's called the dallas protocol as well where it's you have to go on a recumbent exercise bike, swim or rowing machine. all of which are unavailable to me during a pandemic. so, you know, so much for that. >> and then they'll say ultimately and time. because they believe it's virally induced and the body once it maybe its way through will do it. that was perfect, as expected. >> thank you. >> dr. lee, had you heard of the manifestation of p.o.t.s. from post-covid? again, deborah has no business having p.o.t.s. everything she does in her life is counterindicative to having

p.o.t.s. and now she has it. >> chris, thanks for having me back on. deborah, you're telling a story the next piece of the puzzle, the 1,000-piece puzzle that we're calling long haul syndrome. i've heard of p.o.t.s. as a medical doctor. deborah, you're like many other people that in march it was not easy to get a test so you didn't even know that you didn't have a confirmation you had covid. then if you had antibodies and you didn't have them, it became really difficult. you're outside of the box. and yet you have post-covid syndrome. and what we understand about p.o.t.s., it's a combination of your heart, your blood vessels and your nerves. the automatic nerves reset the fluid column in your body. think about an astronaut floating around. your body is desperately trying to figure out how to get enough blood to your brain.

you lay flat and sit suddenly and get that head rush actually by walking and walking up steps. there is something going on in the blood vessels and the nerves. and just last week, researchers actually took a look at the heart and found out that covid virus, the coronavirus, actually can shred heart muscle cells growing in a dish. so this is really a diabolical virus. the more we actually learn about it, the more we realize we need to get on top of this so we don't have a second epidemic of these post-covid problems. >> with consent, i will put you two together on a text thread so you can continue the conversation, see what he knows that may help, may not help. and, you know, what you can avoid is really almost as important as what to do in our kind of situation. and deborah, you know, i'm going to be a resource. i'm hearing and learning things all the time. i'm in contact with dr. lee and many others. so thank you for sharing. these are not the kinds of conversations we want to be having but we have to have them,

because the idea that this just goes away is increasingly not true. god bless and be well, deb. i'll be in touch. dr. lee, as always, thank you. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> all right. big question, when you look at the race in context is, why is it so close with so many bad things going on on the incumbent's watch? all right. i gave you an argument for it at the top of the show. well, what can we show in the numbers? the wizard of odds has fresh insight on tightening poll numbers. next. i'm a verizon engineer. and i'm part of the team building... ...a powerful 5g experience for america. it's 5g ultra wideband, and it's already available in parts of select cities. like los angeles. and in new york city. and it's rolling out in cities around the country. with massive capacity. it's like an eight-lane highway compared to a two-lane dirt road. 25x faster than today's 4g networks. in fact, it's the fastest 5g in the world. from the network more people rely on.

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harry enten, the wizard of odds, comes to join us now to give you a statistical reality of what we have long argued on this show, and by we, i mean me,

not harry, is a tighter race than the polls were suggesting. two reasons, one, popular vote doesn't matter. it's about the states that matter and the counties that matter and the dynamics that affect the same. yes, young harry, i'm glad you agree. state of play in the swing states. continue. >> yeah, i mean, look, putting aside your giant ego, let's just take a look at the polls right now in the swing states versus nationally, okay? and i think this tells the story, which is nationally what you see is that joe biden is ahead by 8 percentage points, but if you look at the swing states, all of them, the six closest states from 2016, biden's lead is less, but he is still up in them, chris. he's still up in them. >> almost within the margin of error. in all of them. and most of all, florida, last time you came on the show, you had florida somewhere around 8 to 12 for biden and i said that sounds crazy. and you said, boy, if he's up that much in florida and it

holds, yeah -- yeah, it didn't hold. >> the only thing that's crazy is your recollection, but i think that this is the key point here. and that is if you look at what i call the tipping point state, okay? that is the state that contains the median electoral vote plus one. what is the margin in that state right now? that state is arizona. and the margin in there is plus 5 for biden. so what you see essentially is this three-point gap, right, between what the popular vote says and where the electoral college sort of deciding vote is at this particular point, so, yes, the race is closer than you think, but biden still has an edge. >> no, the race is closer than you think. it's not closer than i think. i think it's a dead-even thing and i think biden and kamala harris have to figure out a way to counter what the president is offering because fear sells in a scary environment, which is what we're in. let's tick through that three different ways. one, the electoral college, give me a take on how trump is overperforming there. >> i mean, look, he's overperforming there exactly the

way that we're talking about right now, right? which is that in the states that matter, what you see is that biden is overperforming, but here's the key nugget, which sort of, you know, i think gets your whole point of -- you were talking about earlier, fear and perhaps driving up white resentment, right, and trying to scare older folks. right now at this point, we're not actually seeing that in the polls. we're not seeing that in the polls. what we're actually seeing is that joe biden is overperforming with seniors. he's overperforming with white people. >> but it's where. it's where. and it's why. so we did where. thank you. now why? law and order talk. people say, oh, come on, that's the old scare tactic, but they're scare times. pandemic, even if he's responsible for botching the response, scary. you know, violence in the streets, even if it's a small percentage, scare. these are scary things. law and order sells in scary times. what are you seeing in the

numbers? >> the fact is if you look at the polling and look at white voters, you look at senior citizens, biden is actually doing significantly better than hillary clinton did, but you can also look at the law and order polling which suggests that joe biden is winning on that issue or at least keeping trump's edge to a very small margin, and more than that, on the list of important issues, lawyereder is not resonating. the polls indicate that is not the case. that is not the reason if you want to argue trump's closing that he is. the reasons he's probably closing are two-fold. number one, obviously the coronavirus pandemic, although still bad, the cases aren't as bad as they were earlier in the summer. the second thing, if you take a look at the economic e-- it's nt as was as people think it is. >> harry enten, be well. >> i just want to say you sent a very nice text message to me this weekend and the person we were talking about, he would

have really liked you. i just want to say you're a really good guy and come across on air as something, but in person, in the interpersonal, you are great and you're also great on air. you're a different guy there and i like you both places. >> thank you very much, harry. on air, you come across as something. ladies and gentlemen, harry enten. have a good night. all right. we'll be right back. >> you too. bye. don't you just love the look on the kids' faces... yea, that look of pure terror... ...no, no, the smile... ...and that second right before the first tear comes... ...what?! pizza on a bagel-we can all agree with that. do you want a hug? i can't wiat to share at&t's big 5g news... (shouting through the glass) at&t has nationwide 5g? yup! and that's faster? faster, yea! but is it reliable?

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president trump is banning federal agencies from holing racial sensitivity training, calling it anti-american propaganda. he's also threatening to defund schools that use curriculum from "the new york times" 1619 project. we'll talk about that and what it means. why is it a good move? we'll talk about it with rick santorum. good to see you, hope the family is well. >> everybody is good.

thanks, chris. >> dhs assesses white supremacy to be the most lethal threat to the united states. in 2018, only 8% of high school seniors surveyed can identify slavery as the central cause of the civil war. you mix ignorance and arrogance, you get a dangerous combination. why wouldn't we want to train people to understand that systematically these kinds of cultural ignorances and cultural buy cease can make a difference and just to be careful about it? >> well, because that's not what this is doing. i mean, these are, you know, the 1619 project and these, quote, diversity or sensitivity trainings are really indoctrination sessions that in more than one way really divide us. i mean -- >> along what lines? >> well, it's just -- it's solely focused on dividing about race. i mean, you know, to quote -- >> how is it dividing? help me understand, rick? how does it divide by race by telling you be careful, we fought a war over slavery.

>> that's not what the memo says. the memo says that we shouldn't divide people by, you know, by race and say that because you're white, you're privileged and because you're -- because you're white, you know, you're guilty of certain things. i mean, if you read the memo, and that's what saying these courses that are basically devicive and talk about the centrality of race having to do with everything. the problem here. >> i get the argument. >> sensitivity and learning history. and certainly every valid historian said the 1619 project is invalid. we're all for learning -- >> hold on. okay. my turn. every respectable historian has not said that about the 1619 project. i didn't do the 1619 project, i have no connection to the project, but in looking at what it's formation was about which

is making sure people understand the role of slavery in this history and in the war. >> it says america was born on as a racist country. and they fought the revolution over slavery. >> they did fight the revolution over slavery. you and your people weren't here. my people weren't here. the civil war was about slavery. and you only have -- >> she said the 1619 project says the revolutionary war was over slavery. it's absurd. it is ahistorical. >> even if you think it goes too far, how does the solution not go too far? fine. you don't like the 1619 project you can't go back to the revolution. stick with the civil war. there's your tweak. sensitivity training. we have systemic inequality. you know it, i know it.

i can quote facts all night long. you don't want to hear them you don't want to defend them. the president won't say it exists. how is that alone not a case to have the training? >> here's what i would say, with respect to training, i would be for training to let people who have thoughts and concerns whether they are liberal or conservative or black or white that people have the right to air those concerns and feel comfortable doing so. these are prescriptive. telling you how to think. the reason that people are whistle blowing on these is they are pushing an agenda. that's the problem. if it was simply to say we should be sensitive and listening to different points of view and shouldn't be making presumptions that because you are white you are privileged. >> that's not what the training is. that is a scare tactic.

the divisive thing. this president is saying -- >> there's plenty of information these training sessions are occurring. >> you are generalizing. the specific problem is our president says there's no so so thing as systemic inequality and the blacks will come to the neighborhood with crazy white friends and destroy your houses and take away the suburbs. and you'll say my crystal ball, i don't like he says it that way but this goes too far too. training people that slavery and systemic oppression has effected the institutions is the truth. why shouldn't we educate people agent it? >> because here's what i would say, i think that to simply focus on that and make the presumption that because you are white you are privileged. >> that's not the point of the training.

>> that's the memo saying. >> you're white, you're bad and privileged and to blame for everything bad that happened to black people, go home and say sorry. that's not the point of it. it's not what the memo says. >> i have read it. >> so have i. it says it as an aspect of opening understanding how experiences are different. and you know it's true. >> no one is opposed to having the discussion. >> the president is opposed. rick, the president says systemic inequality doesn't exist. do you agree? >> do i think there's racist in the country? yeah. >> systemic inequality. we don't educate the same way, punish the same way, hire the same way. >> i would say that we are an imperfect society. >> that is true what i said. do you agree?

>> we are an imperfect society. >> why won't you just say you agree. >> i agree we can improve. >> say the president is wrong it deny that. >> the situation is anywhere near what it was 50 years ago. >> it's about it being it's not where it could be and the president has a problem and you won't say he's wrong. you agree but won't say he's wrong. what does that make you? >> the memo he's endorsing is not what you are suggesting it is. it's saying that the -- >> it's not about the memo. you won't admit we have a problem. you say the prescription goes too far. what do you care about the medicine you won't admit the illness? >> the remedy proposed is worse than the illness. dividing by race and calling white privilege -- >> they're opening peoples eyes to different experiences.

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