grandfather of 15, married to wife sharon for 49 years. his son says he misses his sunday conversations with his dad. may they rest in peace, and may their memories be a blessing. "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, trump claims he's not a liar despite being caught not telling the truth about how dangerous the coronavirus is. and tonight he's again putting the lives of his own supporters at risk. the cdc projecting up 25,000 more americans could die from coronavirus in the next three weeks. and remember when trump promised a health care plan more than three years ago -- more than three years ago. where is it? let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, president trump about to speak at a rally without social distancing or masks. the president defiant tonight as he's facing fire for recordings that prove he intentionally down played the severity of the

virus. tonight again choosing to put the lives of his own supporters at rusk. take a look at the crowd. this is in michigan. this is september 2020, just to make that clear because i don't see -- oh, there. i see one. no social distancing, no masks. it is a scene that is becoming far too common. 2,000 trump supporters packed together. 2,000 people, no social distance. you just saw one mask there in the shots we've been showing you. none in any of these shots we're showing. and the truth is the president understanding the severity of the virus. he knows how easily it spreads through the air. he knows it's worse than the flu. he told bob woodward all of this back february 7th, he knew it then. since then he has held rally after rally like tonight, right, rally after rally. phoenix, colorado springs, charlotte, michigan, again and again. and tonight, he's trying to clean up his comments to bob woodward.

>> why did you lie to the american people, and why should we trust what you have to say now? >> that's a terrible question and the phraseology. i didn't lie. what i said is we is are to be calm. we can't be panicked. no, no -- >> you said it was deadlier than the flu, yet you told the american public it was just like the flu. >> let me tell you something, we've had flu years -- >> you told everybody something else. >> five times. five times. have you heard the expression five times. we've had a flu year we've lost 100,000 people. the flu is serious for this country also. we've been losing them -- what kind of numbers have we lost with flus? into the the hundreds of thousands. >> the last five years have been something like 35 to 80,000 every year even with antiviral drugs. >> you said this is deadlier than the most strenuous flu -- >> okay. >> -- and then you went out and said it was just like the flu. >> what i went out and said was

very simple -- listen. what i went out and said is very simple. i want to show a level of confidence and i want to show strength as a leader and i want to show that our country is going to be fine one way or the other, whether we lose one person -- we shouldn't lose any because this shouldn't have happened. this is china's fault. >> president says he didn't lie, that he was just trying to protect the american people. so, let's just break this down again. first, i want to play, again, what president trump told bob woodward. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. you know, the touch. you don't have to touch things, right? but you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. so, that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your -- even your strenuous flus. >> okay. obviously that is not what the president told the american people at that time or for months afterwards. he repeatedly compared it to the flu. he explicitly did so in the

context of telling all of us that the flu was worse. he would put out all these numbers of people that died from flu and the numbers of coronavirus. the point is he was saying it was all nothing, it will go away. the flu was worse. on top of all that, he continued to hold rallies, fully knowing it was airborne as you heard him tell mr. woodward. he did this thinking it would kill 5% of the number of people who get it. he's thinking 5% of the people that get this virus are going to die. he's holding rallies thinking 5% of people who attended could die. that is appalling. the president is trying to suggest he did all this in order to prevent americans from panicking. okay. let's take that part of it, in case you think there's something in there. it doesn't add up as a claim because trump thrives on blowing up fears. it is part of his political and presidential brand. remember this. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

they're bringing drugs, crime, their rapists. some, i assume, are good people. they set up these carravans. they put the worst in. they're not going to put the best in. they get rid of their problems. if biden wins it will be a jailbreak for ms-13. this will be the most fraudulent election in history. >> okay. this is not a person who tries to keep people from panicking on topic after topic. that is a president who feeds on fear. jim acosta is "outfront" live at trump's rally in free land, michigan tonight. we've been looking at all those pictures. i saw one person with a mask in all the different angles we showed a moment ago. you are speaking to people here tonight gathered to hear the president. what do they think about all this? >> you know, erin, a lot like the president who was defying reality earlier tonight when he

was insisting he wasn't lying to people about the coronavirus, he was trying to blame it all on bob woodward, we've been talking to a number of people this evening who don't believe the coronavirus is an actual threat and they're going to believe the president no matter what he says. standing in this aircraft hangar you have hundreds if not thousands of people standing shoulder to to shoulder not social distancing and not wearing action manies. when i talk to folks here at this trump rally, some of the attendees told me point blank that if they countract the coronavirus, so be it. here's what they had to say. >> i'm not afraid. the good lord takes care of me. if i die, i die. we got to get this country moving. >> reporter: so there you have it. one gentleman in the audience saying if i die, i die, so be it. i talked to another man here.

i asked him why he wasn't wearing a mask. he said he doesn't believe the coronavirus is a problem at all. he doesn't really believe that it's a threat to him or his health. when i pointed out to him that the president talked to bob woodward and said on tape that this virus is deadly, it is dangerous, and it is more harmful than the seasonal flu, the man was sort of frozen for a moment and said, well, he still doesn't believe the coronavirus is a problem, but he believes the president. that is a sentiment you'll find throughout these rallies. this is, i think, if you look at what's brewing here tonight, this is a potential super spreader event. you have people crammed in this aircraft hangar, there are some outside and a few here and there wearing masks. but by and large, just like the president, they're defying the administration's own guidelines to preventing covid-19. >> defying. yeah, thank you very much, jim. and i think giving an example of the president the power he could have had to have a very different outcome here. "outfront" now, two front line

workers from two hard hit areas of the country. dr. mike runs an outpatient clinic for covid. he's professor of disease at university of alabama at birmingham. dr. october actor, your county is number three. the president says he did not lie to the american people when he said that there were tens of thousands of deaths from flu and 11 or 12 from coronavirus, don't worry about it, even as obviously he told bob woodward it's airborne and 5% of the people who get it are going to die. those are the numbers he thought at the time. do you think that what he said to the american people made this worse? >> oh, it absolutely made it worse. he clearly has some sort of a cult following that regardless of data will follow whatever he

says. you would think as president he would use that to his advantage and tell people things that would help them and help save lives. the fact that he knew even when doctors and scientists were debating whether it was contact or aerosolized or droplet, the fact he knew it could be breathed in, he could have said people, if you wear masks and reduce the amount of deaths. despite that, he went the other way and we had a couple hundred thousand people that are dead. >> and forecast for another 25,000 in the next three weeks. you had covid yourself. you have recovered. your state has had more than 135,000 confirmed cases so far. so, if the president had said publicly ed what he said to bob woodwa woodward privately in the context of this is bad, this is what i need you to do, would he have made things better? or would he, as he says, make people panic and have made

things worse? >> well, i think it would have been a game changer. and it still can be. that's the part that we don't want to miss out on. i mean, we still have the epidemic spreading throughout our communities right now. as you just showed, 2,000 people at a rally not wearing masks. this is an opportunity to pivot. this is an opportunity to make a difference, not just for those people at the rally but for the whole country. what we're up against, as we know from a public health perspective that masks work, yet we have a political current that's pushing against that. if the president would just simply say we're all going to wear masks, we're all going to get behind this, aerosols do spread, so let's work together on this, not only would he stop the pandemic nin a major way, a least reduce the transmission, he could also improve his political fortune. i don't understand why he's not doing that. >> the president said everyone knew the virus was airborne when

he said that on february 7th. let me play again what he said on february 7th. >> it goes -- it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. the touch you don't have to touch things. but the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. so, that's a very tricky one. >> okay. so, he's making it very clear, right, that he knows it travels through the air. 12 days after he said that, february 7th, privately to bob woodward, publicly he's saying this is nothing, it's going away, held an indoor rally without masks. no social distancing in your state. i remember talking to you at that time. he held five additional rallies in other states after he made those comments as well, and of course tonight's rally adds on to that list. this is kind of a strange question to be asking about a president of the united states. but given what he said and what he knew and what he did, he also said he thought 5% of people who got it were going to die, how much responsibility does he bear

for holding these events? >> i don't know whom else to hold responsible. it was a rally for him. people came for him. like you said, you and i discussed how much they were aerosolizing. they were yelling. they weren chanting. we know this is how germs are spread. there's no debate about that. there are some things maybe you need to lick to get sick. but wlfr you have kids, siblings, family members, li a of them are through crying, laughing, sneezing, to say it's not that important, you're asking people to get sense. in some sense, he was right. everybody knew. we knew it was going to happen. to hold a rally and say if people get sick, oh well, that's disgraceful. >> i'm keeping up live pictures of people in free land, michigan. alabama of course is a red state with a lot of trump supporters. last night a spoke with a woman

whose father died from covid in arizona. and she said he was a supporter of the president and that he believed him. she said his only pre-existing condition was trusting the president. she said she would call him and say don't do this, don't go out. and he would say, i hear you. but the president says it's fine. the governor says it's fine. so it's going to be fine. that had that explicit conversation. so, when you see covid patients every day, how much do some of them take the president's words and example to heart? do you hear them say that but if it's fine for him it's fine for me? >> yeah, i do somewhat. and i was cringing quite a bit when the interview happened with the rally person who said i don't care if i get it, i get it. i just walked through the icu on rounds about two hours ago and saw bed after bed after bed of people struggling to breathe. and if you don't know that, if you don't see it, i guess you might cavalierly say oh, it doesn't matter, i don't care if i get it. just walk through the ward one

time and you'll change your mind. the other thing i was thinking as i heard the part about aerosol, the way that i got infected was riding in a car with my son back from new york. it turned out he was infected and asymptomatic. we didn't know it. that was at a time in early march when we weren't 100% sure about aerosols. i wish i had known that because we would have worns masks and we would have kept the windows cracked or down and had airflow. we were thinking transmission by contact back then. it wasn't right. >> you're thinking the time in the car versus that thing, that's an explicit specific case. let me give the last word to you, what are you seeing now? >> well, thanks -- thanks -- sorry. was that for me, erin? >> yes, go ahead. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> things in arizona have gone a lot better fortunately. remember, we were in such a bad state there was basically nowhere to go but better. when i'm working in the ers, we have fewer cases. we have fewer people with

symptoms. this is really reassuring. but when you go out you'll see people who sometimes aren't wearing masks or who aren't distancing. i don't want people thinking things are getting better, let's give up. that's what we did in may. you saw what happened. it became the worst hot spot in the country. i would encourage people to stay vigilant. the reason things got better were because people were distancing and particularly because people were wearing masks. we need to play a part. >> the model the white house uses, the task force uses, projects more than doubling in death in this country by the end of december, which would mean you start to see a death rate worse than we saw at some of the peak. when you think it's in the rear-view mirror, but it's been in a model before. up to 25,000 more american deaths in the next 21 days.

dr. sanjay gupta is "outfront." plus trump as we have seen tonight campaigning with supporters while biden campaigns alone to maintain social distancing. do the optics and audio that comes with that matter? trump tonight breaking one of his biggest campaign promises. which one?

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three weeks. and yet president trump earlier touted his response to the virus. >> the united states has done really well. i'm very proud of everybody that worked on this. and i really do believe we're rounding the corner. >> "outfront" now, dr. sanjay gupta, our chief medical correspondent. so, sanjay, after 25,000 more deaths in the next three weeks, the president says we're rounding the corner. this adds to a litany of things he's said like it's going to go away in april when it gets warm. now we're rounding the corner. the new projection and this is from the cdc, shows they're not expecting really a slowdown in deaths here, are they? >> no, they're really not. and the cdc projections tend to be shorter-term projections. they're looking at all these various factors. what they're saying if we look at the country as a whole right now in terms of cases and in terms of these sad deaths, we sort of plateaued, erin.

we said this, i know, a few times now. i kept thinking the numbers are going to go down. we sort of plateaued. we have dips here or there. around 40,000 or so new infections per day on average and around 1,000 people dying on average. if you do the cdc calculation, actually means the death rate will go up. it'll be more than 1,000 people dying a day by the end of -- the beginning of october. this is the wrong direction we want to be going. as you well know, erin, opening schools, people are becoming increasingly mobile. a lot of people look at this. i keep hearing people say, you remember that covid thing? covid was bad. it's not in the past tense. we're still very much in the middle of this. >> right, right. and again, i point out that model used by the task force which predicts a doubling in death by december. think about that. they're putting 400,000. to the extent that model has been wrong, it's been underestimating deaths thus far. the president was asked about

the interview with bob woodward in the beginning of february where he said the virus could be transmitted through the air. and he dismissed the question today by saying, quote, everybody knew it was airborne. everybody knew it was airborne on february 7th. that is not actually true. >> no, it's not true. it's very interesting because we look back now from our vantage point so many months later and we say of course this is spread through the air. i will say i think the president is conflating two separate things. one is idea of respiratory droplets, which is spreading through the air, and there's true airborne where the virus can become suspended on dust and last for hours and hours. it wasn't until february 14th, a week later the cdc had a telebriefing saying at that point we believe the mode of transmission of this virus is through these respiratory droplets through the air. at that point, they still said, we believe. there wasn't enough data for the

cdc to say this. it wasn't widely known. people thought it was respiratory virus, maybe it's going to behave like flu, coughing and sneezing. it wasn't clear. >> you're saying he knew before they said believe, and he knew before all the rallies. this timeline is consistent. i know you had an in depth interview today with the white house testing czar and you talked about testing. here's one thing he told you. >> what i want to do is create as many tests as possible. there will be a day where there will be at-home tests that are widely available in the hundreds of millions that are cheap that we can test as frequently as we want. >> so, he's saying there will be a day -- i realize he's not saying now. there are other places in the world where it is now. but he's optimistic there. that seems very different from what he said many times recently about testing problems in this country. here's examples over the past couple of weeks.

>> it's great to talk about this utopian kind of idea where everybody has to test every day and we can do that. i don't live in a utopian world. i live in the real world. not only do we not recommend this strategy of testing everyone on a frequent basis, but i think it could instul a false sense of security. we are doing the appropriate amount of testing now to reduce the spread, flatten the curve, save lives. >> the second that was particularly jarring to me, right? we don't recommend testing everyone on a frequent basis. that was a couple weeks ago. today i want to create as many tests as possible. i want a day where everybody can just hundreds of millions get tested. that seems to be polar opposite. >> it really is. i was surprised by this. i thought he was going to sort of dig into what he has said before. we're not going to test our way out of this, sort of minimizing testing. you're absolutely right, erin. there was a clear shift. there was a shift in the idea that, yes, we need widespread

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breaking news, we've got new details on president trump's phone calls with bob woodward. obviously you've heard him admitting that he played down the coronavirus in early february, misleading americans on how deadly it was. cnn is reporting there were a total of 19 phone calls between trump and woodward, 19, that lasted a total of nearly 10 hours. now, that's a lot of calls and

it's a lot of time, particularly in the context of what trump said today, when he said, yeah, there just wasn't very many of them and they were short. here he is. >> i thought it would be interesting to talk to him for a period of, you know, calls. so, we did that. it was a series of taped interviews, mostly by telephone. quick ones, not long ones. quick ones. and it was -- i did it out of curiosity. >> quick, not long. ten hours time from the president of the united states in the worst pandemic in a century. i would say that's some serious time. "outfront" now is abby phillip, cnn political analyst david abbey and zoe clark, cohost of "it's just politics." zoe, i want to start with you because these images tonight are pretty stunning in your state. the president is there holding a campaign rally in michigan. and these are live, okay? so, you can see there's no masks, there's no social

distancing. and a lot of these people are inside, inside the airport hangar, not outside. the president won your state in 2016 by fewer than 11,000 votes. so, what impact do you think revelations in the woodward book will have on voters in your state? obviously the trump supporters here are passionate. >> it's interesting to think about. i think it really depends on which side you're on. and i think both sides, it makes folks more enthusiastic, either more enthusiastic to vote for trump, as you're seeing some 5,000 people rally right now in michigan, or even more reason to be enthusiastic and to come out and vote against trump. and that's where we are in america right now in 2020, right? it just feels like these incidents happen. and i don't think there are these moderate people in the middle who are going, hm, who am i going to vote for? but just am i going to actually

turn out on election day? >> so, david, to zoe's point, this is going to be about turn out. there aren't a lot of people who don't know who they're going to vote for. there are some. there are some who are conflicted for various reasons. there's not a lot. when you see the bob woodward revelations, do they help joe biden at all? it looks like david is working on his web cam. so, abby, let me put that question to you. do you think that helps in terms of passioned engagement for biden voters, these revelations? they obviously don't impact trump supporters. they're not going to change their minds, but does this help biden? >> i think zoe is absolutely right that this is becoming quickly a turnout type of election. one of the things that the woodward book does do is that it reminds voters about one of the things that had made them turn away from president trump or at least become much more enthusiastic about voting for

biden, which is the coronavirus. the whole idea of the trump campaign overthe last several weeks was to try to take people's attention off of this pandemic. and now the woodward book has just refocused them on it. you know, at this point, you know, a lot of polls have bourne out that a lot of biden supporters are, in fact, voting against trump and not necessarily for biden. the trump campaign says that's a problem, but i'm not sure it is. whether they're voting for biden or against trump, as long as they show up, i think the biden campaign wants them to be there. and moments like this really light a fire under biden's base, these voters who he needs to turn out, who he doesn't want to stay home in any way, shape or form. it lights a fire under them to show up in november. the problem is we're 54 days away from the election. we have a long way to go. >> in a sense it doesn't seem like a long way -- >> yeah. >> -- but in other ways it does. so, the pictures we've been seeing out of michigan tonight,

david, the president speaking at the campaign rally, supporters fired up. this is -- you know, this is -- you've been seeing rally after rally. i'm saying what i'm seeing in the video, fewer masks. there's a few now. but fewer here than even at other trump rallies recently. and that's saying something. president trump just this about the crowd. here he is. >> you know, this is not the crowd of a person who comes in second place. >> so, he has these crowds, david. he's got them. and joe biden, meantime, is abiding by what the white house task force says and the cdc, so no crowds, social distancing, masks, you name it. and okay, i don't need to say it, it's a really different feel. do those visuals matter or mean anything? >> well, we're going to find out. i mean, on the one hand, what's hard for biden is to compete with the excitement that you see for trump in these rallies.

he's got excited supporters, there's no question about it. and there's no question that there are excited critics of the president who want to vote for biden. we're not seeing that as much. we didn't have that at conventions. biden wants to be able to demonstrate that because that has a kind of catalytic effect on other voters. these images are also incredibly divisive. people who are watching this on our air are either saying good for those people for not being afraid and getting out there to support trump, or a lot of people are saying that's crazy, i wouldn't do that, that's not safe. but if you're trump, everything is on his turf. he's being evaluated. it's a referendum on him. you know, my big take away on the book is that it just reinforces how do you think he did responding to the pandemic. if you think he did poorly, you're unlikely to reelect -- to vote for his re-election. that's what's some damning about the woodward revelations after

all the revelations we've had about trump. in this case, biden is competing to say, hey, this is why you should be excited about me, not just against the other guy. >> what are you seeing, zoe, on the ground? are they more supporting biden or just going because they don't like trump? >> yeah, i think at this point, that's sort of what we're talking about nationally, right? it is this idea in michigan in 2018 that we have the highest midterm election in 2018. that was not a biden on the ballot. trump wasn't even on the ballot. there were candidate who is had nothing to do with trump. but that voter turnout and the enthusiasm and what we saw in michigan was a democratic wave. so, so much of this is not necessarily a vote for biden. and i would go as far to say and i've said it before that even in 2016 here in michigan, a state that went republican for the first time in six election

presidential cycles voted for trump. but it was less that trump won michigan and that hillary clinton really lost the state. >> and david you also have just -- i want to bring out jamie's reporting because she's been the one who's been breaking all this. the president saying it's just a short little call, short little conversations. 19 for ten hours. okay. when you look back at presidents who have talked to bob woodward and others for books, how would you -- i say that sounds like an incredible amount of time from the president of the united states during the worst pandemic in a century. you tell me as a reporter. >> i look at it a little bit differently. when i covered the bush white house, the feeling was then no president is usually happy with the outcome. but they make a calculation that you need to cooperate with bob woodward because he's going to get to people and he's going to get to documents and he's going to have it all. so, you might as well get your interpretation out there.

trump took it to this x factor where other presidents have done interviews that were taped belichick president bush. here he gave all this time. sorry my work from home issues with the light going out. i can turn on a different light. i can control the gregory studio. maybe i can't. the point for trump is he was impressed by woodward just like wanted to be thought of legitimate by "the new york times," he wanted to be thought of as legitimate by bob woodward. >> yeah, the studio needs a little bit to be desired on the lighting. >> i've got to get to boss here. i think that's me. >> all right. thanks all three, abby, david, zoe, i appreciate your time. and next for years, trump has been promising a plan to overhaul obamacare. where is it? >> we'll be announcing that in about two months, maybe less. we're signing a health care plan within two weeks. >> and as the damning reports of

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tonight president trump's silent on one of the top issues of this election, health care. he promised more than three years ago that he would have a health care plan to replace obamacare. but it's nowhere. nowhere. phil mattingly is "outfront." >> i want to have a great health care bill and plan. and we will. it will happen. >> reporter: it's been three years, and president donald trump still doesn't have a comprehensive health care reform plan. he didn't when he said this in june 2019. >> we already have the concept of the plan. we'll be announcing that in two months, maybe less. >> reporter: when he promised this in july. >> we're signing a health care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health care plans. >> reporter: or most recently when he pledged a plan by the end of august. >> i do want to say that we're going to be introducing a tremendous health care plan sometime prior, hopefully prior to the end of the month. it's just about completed now.

>> reporter: it's now september in the middle of a once in a century pandemic with the death toll surpassing 190,000. and con capitol hill, republicans say they've received zero indication any health care plan is coming. it's bs, and you know that, one gop senator told cnn of trump's health care plan this week. trump's empty promise spans years now, sparked by the gop failure to repeal and replace obamacare and exacerbated by the decision to sign on to a legal effort to strike the law down altogether even without a clear replacement in the waiting, despite another promise. >> if a law is overturned, that's okay because the new law is going to have it in. >> reporter: surrounding trump's bold if empty promises are two realities, first, republicans haven't coalesced around a single proposal up to this point, including inside the

white house where sources have battled over the ideas for years and settled instead of unilateral decisions. politics of health care moved sharply against republicans. democrats in ad after ad after ad hammered republican efforts to repeal obamacare and with it its coverage of pre-existing conditions in 2018. republicans lost the house, and trump pledged to reverse the slide, promising the gop would, quote, become the party of health care. republican candidates have moved forcefully to rebut the attacks. >> time will always attack everyone with pre-existing conditions. >> reporter: framing the issue in the most personal of terms. but it remains a top election issue. one democrat polls say continue to hold advantage on. that according to more than anything else is why trump promised an executive order that he said would protect pre-existing conditions. >> pre-existing conditions will be taken care of 100% by

republicans and the republican party. >> reporter: and erin, there's some question about that executive order, whether it's legal, what the rationale for it is, and we don't have those answers. not unlike the comprehensive health care plan hasn't been signed and at least as far as we know hasn't been released publicly, erin. >> thank you. i want to go to former rub governor of ohio, john kasich. you've always made a big deal about health care and the president has made repeated promises about health care again and again and again for more than three years and we don't have one, doesn't seem close to having one. one republican senator telling cnn, quote, it's bs. that may be a senator, but what about republican voters. do they care? >> well, first of all, they wanted a repeal health care for 20 million americans and they didn't have a replacement and still don't have a replacement. this takes me back to the days i was in congress and we had a big

fight saying we need to have ideas. people said we don't need to put them out there because people will put them out there and criticize them. i said, no, no, no, we have to do that. they don't have a plan on k had. they don't have a plan on environment. they don't have much of a plan on race although the senator tried to put one together. they have no plan on debt. they have no plan on the difference between the rich and the poor. so, you might say, well, why are they -- what's the story? and erin, look, here's the thing they think. it's my team. it's my party. and we need to keep power because everything in washington is about power.3 now, the senator says, you know, that this is bologna, what trump has to say. where's his plan? what are the ideas out of that party? for biden, biden better make it clear to him he's not going to be pushed around and be some left winger. he's got to make the case that he's strong and he's basically a centrist, somebody center right, center left. that's where people are. so, it's going to be awe big

turnout election. but erin, haven't you become convinced now that there are people in either party, and particularly now the republican party, they don't care about any of this. i want to stay in power. and if we let the other guy get in pow e they're going to just do terrible things! so, whatever we do is okay. it's ridiculous. >> well, whatever we do or don't do, right? it's a -- >> yeah, or whatever we don't do. if we do anything, we might get criticized. they didn't even have a platform at the convention, erin, and it's crazy. >> so, when you talk about that, the platform at the convention, it is not just health care, right? as you know, governor, the president struggled to articulate what his to-do list is, right? he's very good. just a few moments ago said if biden wins there's going to be mobs and rioters and arsonists and fire and that's what happens. what would the positives be if he

>> one what are your top priority items for a second term? >> i always say talent is more important than experience, i've always said that. but the word "experience" is a very important word. it's an important meaning. i never did this before, never slept over in washington. i was in washington, i think 17 times, all of a sudden i'm president of the united states. you know the story, i'm riding down pennsylvania avenue with our first lady and i say, this is great. >> and we had to cut that down. he went on to slam john bolton but didn't give anything specific about what he would do a second term. >> not only that, but the people supporting him, god bless him, they don't seem to care, because whatever he says, that's good. and because we can't be for the other guy, because the other guy is terrible. because we need to keep power. you see, erin, the thing you

have to realize is washington has now become all about power. either -- whoever is in power wants to keep power, whoever is out of power wants to have power. what i ask is, what are you going to do when you have the power? what are you going to do on the environment, race, debt, the gulf between the rich and poor? i just need to have power. when you have power, just for the sake of having it, you're bankrupt. and that's kind of where -- it's why i went to that convention and supported biden. but biden can't just float home, either. >> you're one of the people -- and there aren't a lot of people in this country that have a decision to make, but you made yours. but this week people see "the atlantic" and referring to troops as losers, bob woodward tapes. what was your reaction when you heard them? >> well, it's just apalling to

me. but my reaction electorally, this is for the people still undecided, and there aren't a lot of them. i asked friends what do you think the impact will be? nothing. you know, it's because, erin, i know how clearly i can communicate this, all you want is to be in charge. that's all you want. and that's all you care about. it's the president, people below him, and that's washington forever. i'm in charge and i'm not going to let you, because you're bad. and that's a disaster for the country. that's why we're heading in the wrong direction. thanks, erin. >> governor, thank you. thank you very much. i'll talk to you soon. and next, we'll take you inside fox news. that's next. new advil dual action with acetaminophen fights pain in two ways. advil targets pain at the source... ...while acetaminophen blocks pain signals. the future of pain relief is here. new advil dual action.

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restrictions apply. tonight, trump's singing the praises of fox news. >> i watched lou dobbs last night, sean hannity last night, tucker, laura. i watched "fox and friends" in

the morning. you watch these shows, you don't have to go too far into the details. they cover things that are -- it's really an amazing thing. >> well, if you were watching fox yesterday, there was generous praise for the president's nobel peace prize nomination. as for the bob woodward revelations, what revelations? brian stelter, author of "hoax" is outfront. >> you tuned into fox news in the past day, you might have noticed a different reality. >> president trump today had a great day. a day that any president could only dream of. >> a complete dismissal of bob woodward's bombshell. >> it's a booger dressed as a bombshell. it's nothing. >> reporter: in this reality, these comments by president trump -- >> i wanted to -- i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. >> yes. >> because i don't want to

create a panic. >> reporter: a confession about down playing the coronavirus? no, fox's stars says it was not a big deal at all. >> it's so obviously nothing. >> reporter: mostly the network just changed the subject. >> what was joe biden doing for the last 47 years? >> reporter: they distracted. >> president trump started off the day with a nomination for the nobel peace prize. >> reporter: they down played. >> the timing of this is interesting. we're less than two months out from an election and seeing his niece write a negative book about him, michael cohen's book. it's a time to sell books. >> reporter: and they defended the comments. >> let's make one think clear, president trump has they have misled or distorted the truth about this deadly disease. no, he acted faster than anyone else. >> reporter: tucker carlson even offered a scapegoat for the president's predicament. >> it was lindsey graham who helped president trump talk to bob woodward.

>> this show has exclusively now uncovered video of joe biden down playing the coronavirus one month after the president's travel ban. >> reporter: fox's other staple -- media criticism. questioning why woodward withheld these tapes from the public for six months. >> now woodward is coming under scrutiny with many asking why he waited so long to come forward. >> reporter: president trump picking up that argument saying if woodward thought they were so bad or dangerous, why didn't he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? again, at that press conference, this is another example of the fox/trump feedback loop. woodward said he needed time to know if what trump said was true, and he rushed to finish writing his book and get it out before election day. anybody who thinks they know the outcome, thinks they know what trump voters are thinking about

this, you have to watch this through fox news goggles to see. >> absolutely. brian, thank you. thanks to brian and all of you for joining us. cnn's global town hall with dr. sanjay gupta and anderson starts now. welcome. i'm anderson cooper in new york. >> and i'm dr. sanjay gupta. this is our 21st cnn global town hall, coronavirus, facts and fears. thing being seen around the world. >> i cannot believe it's our 21st. the average number of new cases in the country is down since we last met, which is certainly welcome news by any measure. that said, where the numbers have settled between 35,000 and 40,000 a day is not. nor is the new forecast from the cdc, projecting as many as 217,000 deaths by octob