for joining us and we'll see you on monday. "ac 360" with anderson begins right now. erin, thanks so much. good evening, looking at lower manhattan at the end of a day this afternoon was a day like 19 years ago, blue skies and soft breezes. want to show you the two beams of blue light, a reminder of the twin towers at the trade center. even now, on just about any mild september day, it's impossible not to be reminded even if only for a moment what happened where that light shines, all the lives lost in the attacks, all the first responders that made the ultimate sacrifice running into straight into nothing less than hell on earth to save others. today since every september 11th, each and every name of the fallen was spoken but this time prerecorded by family members.

>> gregory thomas sasado. >> susan m sour. >> anthony salas. >> vladimir. >> even all these years later, it never gets easier but anyone that remembers the trama, possibly also remembers the comforting and reassuring words of then mayor rudy giuliani that day. he was known for being sharp tempered, arrbrasive and abusiv. in the middle after chaos and fear, he was none of those. he showed leadership. the speaking in gentle tones he did not soften or gloss over or play down the harsh facts of what happened or the horrors yet to come as the death toll rose. in those terrible moments with the city and country too shocked to grieve, his honesty provided comfort, some pleas measure of and relieved us all of the worst possible burden to carry in

addition to everything else that day, the fear of the unknown and the suspicion of being kept in the dark about it. rudy giuliani back then spoke like he understood that notion. president bush must have known it too and might not be quick or ea easy. >> this war won't be like the one in iraq with a decisive territory and swift conclusion and won't look like kosovo where no ground troops were used and not a single american was lost in combat. our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. americans should not expect one battle but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have seen. >> he told the truth there.

mayor giuliani told the truth. winston churchill and the prospect of a german invasion as did franklin roosevelt about the depression. this is what brings people of all persuasions across the political spectrum together in those times. if perhaps only for a short time. truth is a powerful weapon in any great endeavor. it depends any great endeavor depends on truth and trust. yet, president trump who likes to compare himself to great leaders doesn't seem to understand that. he lies to us and gets caught in the lie and then he lies about lying. he appears to think we're all suckers that word he uses with great frequency, losers, suckers. 19 years after 9/11 and six months to the day since the world health organization declared the coronavirus a pandemic, the evidence is clear. the president has lied repeatedly to the country about it. and this week, we learned from

listening to what he told journalist bob woodward he lied while knowing the facts about how deadly the virus is and how easily it spread and that even young people are vulnerable. we heard him admit he downplayed the threat and prefers down playing the threat, which is what he's done and we have all suffered for it. according to colombia university, tens of thousands of our fellow americans may not have died if social distancing guidelines were put into place two weeks earlier, even a week earlier. imagine how different life today might be had the president told americans exactly what he told bob woodward back on february 7th. >> it goes through air, bob. that's tougher than the touch. the touch, you don't have to touch things but the air you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed and so that's a very tricky one, that's a delicate one. it's more deadly than even your strenuous flus.

>> think how different today might look if he had simply said all that publicly back then. february 7th. imagine a battle in which people across the political spectrum were all armed with the same set of facts or a world in which wearing a mask was a patriotic, not a partisan act because everybody heard the president saying the virus is airborne and everybody saw the president wearing a mask. and rallied all of us to fight this virus together, masked up distanced. yes, socially distanced but together. imagine a federal government able to respond co-hhaerently a effectively because of a powe cutt -- focused message from the top. in other words, in other countries, people don't have to imagine that. we do. in other countries, they don't. all this actually happened. in south korea where fewer than 400 people have died. not 400,000. fewer than 400 people have died. at one point early on, we were

on the same path as south korea. we faced the same virus. now the president likes to compare himself to great leaders like george washington abraham lincoln on done as trying to explain away his dishonesty with us about a virus that's now killed more than 192,000 of us, the american people, by saying well, that simply is how leaders lead. >> they wanted me to come out and scream people are dying. we're dying. no, no, we did it just the right way. we have to be calm. we don't want to be crazed lunatics. we have to lead. >> he's saying that while screaming and sweating. keeping them honest, nobody was asking the president to scream like a crazed lunatic that people are dying. no screams are necessarily. but you know what is? honesty and trust. rudy giuliani didn't scream back then when he was mayor. he certainly does now.

george bush didn't scream. barack obama did not act like a crazed lunatic when talking about the loss of life at sanity hook or mother of emanuel church or ebola. they wanted me to scream. whoever wants somebody to scream? he also ducked responsibility for repeatedly lying about the virus by trying to lay it off on the one person he told the truth to. >> if bob woodward thought what i said was bad, he should have immediately right after i said it gone out to the authorities so they can prepare and let them now, but he didn't think it was bad and he said he didn't think it was bad. >> you can criticize bob woodward for not immediately publishing the interview. you can take issue with that. but just stop and think about the argument the president of the united states is making right there. just for a moment. just focus on what the president is saying.

bob woodward he's saying should have told the authorities. he should have reported the president of the united states to the authorities. i'm not sure if president trump is aware of this but he is the freaking authorities. he's the president of the united states. he's the one with the power to demand time on national television to tell people exactly what he told bob woodward. he just didn't care to, which he admitted to woodward in a later conversation saying he always preferred to quote play it down like other great leaders, according to him. >> when hitler was bombing, i don't know if you know this, when hitler was bombing london, churchill great leader would often times go to a roof in london and speak and always spoke with calmness. he said we have to show calmness. as the british government

advised the british people in the face of world war ii, keep calm and carry on. that's what i did. >> okay. keeping them honest. chur churchill did not broadcast from rooftops as bombs fell. other cbs reporters, others did that. edward r. mo more row r was a r. when he did speak to the country, yes, he was strong and he was calm, and he rallied the country but he did not do that by down playing some hard truths about what lay ahead. here is a tweet from churchill biographer jon meacham today. churchill said and i quote, the british people can face any misfortune with fortitude and

b bas long as they are not dwelling in a fool's paradise. did you look at president trump and honestly say there is no way that man would deceive me? do you? do you look at him and say there is no way he's dwelling in a fool's paradise? he's a realest. he doesn't lie about them. it should be noted the british government as the president claims told the public to keep calm and carry on. the posters saying that were printed and never used. only rediscovered 20 years ago and have become popular since then. the president doesn't read. he wouldn't know that. as for the whole preventing panic thing, the whole speaking calmly like churchill thing, this president has done everything he can to create fear and division and panic. this is what he does. he's done it long before he ever ran for president but he's certainly done it from the moment he kale docame down the escalator. take a look.

>> when mexico sends its people. they are not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, bringing crime. they're rapist. donald trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. right now you walk down the street, you get shot. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and furry like the world has never seen. they got a lot of rough people in those caravans. they are not angels. they want to describe your suburbs, rioters and vandals, rampaging through all in all cases democrat-run cities. you'll have crime like you've never seen. >> for as long as we've known donald trump as a public figure,

he believes leadership consists of squacarring the crap out of people, not leveling with them. it came moments before he praised himself as a leader by comparing himself to the real thing. perspective from former senior ocho bobama advisor and bob woo joining us is chief political analyst gloria borger. you think back to 1988 when dan quail compared himself to john f. kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. you know, if churchill's contemporaries were alive, they would be saying the same to the president tonight. i'm not sure i understand why the president continues to compare himself to great leaders and has no idea what they actually did or how they did it. >> right. first of all, let's say that donald trump is the complete polar opposite of winston churchill and contemporaries

would say that and you quote the winston churchill and he told the public he had nothing to offer but blood, sweat, toil and tears. and what is donald trump offering? he's offering lies to the american public. i have no doubt that if he were not on tape in woodward's book and we have yet to hear all the tapes, anderson. if he were not on tape, he would be calling ate hoax. he would say bob woodward is lying. the facts are incontinthere. he knew how difficult this covid would be and what did he do? he wanted to act like it was mission accomplished for one reason only. he didn't want to shutdown the country because he was worried that he would not win reelection. you can't get control of the economy. we've all learned in a very difficult way without getting

control of covid. he's advocated responsibility and now you played the clip what he's trying to do is blame democrats and the governors of democratic states and remember way back donald trump was trying not to make too many decisions on this leaving it to the governors and criticized the governors blaming it on blue state governors in case there are any issues with covid. he's claiming mission accomplished and trying to divert the public and he hasn't done his job. it's a complete avocation. >> it seems it wasn't just the president was deceiving the american people and down playing it to the american people. that was a message which clearly went out to everybody in the government. to everybody at cdc, at leadership and began to bend to

what the president's tone was and what the president's message was and the cdc would down play and rewrite guidelines and the fda, you know, has embarrassed itself. it's not just that he was lying to the people, it's that he was enforcing that through the arms of government. >> we're still getting distorted guidance to the cdc, which is unthinkable. one of the real tragedies and dangers of this administration has been the subject of all our institutions to the president's political needs and this is certainly been the case on this. you wonder about the vice president who was put in charge of the coronavirus task force had access to all this information understaood how serious this was and said in

april, this would be in the rearview mirror by memorial day without any grounding to say that and one of the things that we've witnessed, which is really devastating is a president who is running the government that's supposed to be responding to this virus and at the very same time is leading the resistance to the guidance that public health officials were giving to try and save people's lives. and all it comes down to what dr. fauci said in bob woodward's book, the only thing he cares about is reelection and he thought that meant keeping this on the down low so that the market wouldn't be spooked and the economy was being in tact because his narrative was that he had delivered great economic gins to the country and saw that going down the shoot. that was on his mind. not the lives that might be lost. not the suffering and one last thing, you talk about the leaders who we saw come forward

in 9/11 but there are also -- you mentioned it but just as today, there were people rushed into danger, sacrificed their own lives, their own safety to help others. that's something this president doesn't honor or understand. that's why he calls fallen soldiers suckers and losers. he does not understand being about something larger than yourself, and that is a terrible quality and a leader especially at a time of crisis. >> carl, i mean, you know, you also -- how about being a normal human being of, you know, descent spirit and as opposed to somebody who is -- i know he has -- this is what he's built his career on is lies and fabulous talk but, you know, he's president and it's -- and people are dying. >> there is no evidence in his life, his public life of descent

impulse. it's a criminal presidency with a criminal president and seen criminality never before as revealed in bob woodward's book and on tape, the smoking gun tape of this president's felony. the greatest felony perhaps by any president in our history resulting in tens of thousands of deaths. let's take a breath, a deep breath, all of us and look at fact and truth here about what's happened. there has never been anything like this kind of advocation of responsibility and decency as you put it. this is a president of the united states who put his own narrow reelection effort and endanger the lives of every american, encouraged a pandemic to take through the air instead

of trying to fight that pandemic because he cannot confront the truth and tell the american people the truth because he's advocated his responsibility and his criminally negligent. >> it's also sort of true because he talked about, you know, he doesn't want people to panic. what it tells me is he was panicking and assumed everybody else would panic when in fact, americans don't panic. americans rise to the occasion when told the truth and are willing to do what is necessary to have confidence, trust and truth in front of them. david axelrod, gloria borger, thank you-all very much. how many more americans could lose their lives on this president's watch and how many times have we said that before? the estimates are higher. they are again now. later, a report from the western fire lines. three states facing some of the worst conditions they have ever

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country right now. it's up 5,000 deaths from your estimate a week ago for the same time. how did you get to this number. >> well, you know, people think that because the case numbers are going downs in last three, four weeks, the deaths flat that the epidemic is over. it's certainly not. when we look ahead to the winter with season nality, you put tho together we look like we're going to have a very deadly december ahead of us in terms of the toll of coronavirus. >> a deadly december? >> absolutely. >> sanjay? yeah. >> i'm curious when you look at these models, dr. murray, you have a range. there is a best case scenario and a worst-case scenario. this is sort of the mid range,

the numbers that you're talking about now. what factors into that? i know you've talked about masks, how much of a difference, new therapeutics, the vaccine. what is the best and worst-case scenario? >> the worst-case scenario is if we, our government, state and federal and ourselves do nothing as things get worse as the winter comes upon us. and so people just ignore the virus, go about work and school and that's where we get the really scary numbers in december. you know, essentially we go back to the notion of new york in the early part of the epidemic but everywhere. our forecast is where we assume that people will respond but only when things get really bad. that's when we build in the idea that state governments when in each state the hospitals start to become overwhelmed, the death rates get high, they will put back in policemlace mandates an

that's where we come up with the 415,000 death figure. the best case scenario today, the best scenario is to get mask use up to 95% then we can avoid a lot of this death. >> 95%? where is mask use now? i think last time we talked, you said it was, well, what is it now? >> well, unfortunately, mask use is slipping below 45% in the u.s. and you know the trend has just been down. it's really disturbing that as we head into the fall, because people are being mask use and making the wrong choices. >> you say 95%. that would be great. that's like saying i mean, if

we're below 45% now and falling, saying oh, well, if we got to 95%, that's like saying i'm going to get as big as chris cuomo is. it's not going to happen. i'm going to try to work out a lot to make that happen but it's not going to happen. there is no way if americans aren't doing this now, sanjay, i mean, how do we get to 95%? >> if people seem to talk about this like it's in the rearview mirror. i don't know, dr. murray, how much you look into people's motivations to behave a certain way. i keep hearing this. it's almost like talking about covid in the past tense like it's over and not sure why -- >> sanjay -- >> at one point we're being serious about it -- >> one reason why. the president just told people that we're rounding a corner with covid-19 cases. i mean, what we're hearing tonight, we may be rounding a corner but there is a pit with

spikes at the bottom that we're about to fall into. i want to play what dr. fauci said when asked about the president's comments? >> i'm sorry, i have to disagree with that. if you look at the thing you just mentioned, the statistics, andrea. they are disturbing. we're plateauing at around 40,000 cases a day, and the deaths are around 1,000. >> so sanjay, i mean, it's rare for him to directly contradict the president but tells you how serious it is. >> yeah, it is rare, and i will say i noticed a change in tone from several members of the task force including dr. fauci becoming a little more emboldened and admiral jarar saying we absolutely need more tests before saying we can't test our way out of this. francis collins was pretty fort right about this, as well, the numbers and data don't lie. that's the point that dr. fauci

is making. we may see some improvements in some areas. dr. murray made this point you start to red line in an area and people start paying attention. one of the big concerns to look back 100 years and show the graph. i'm hesitant to show this graph because it's alarming. if you look at the various peaks back to 1918, you had that first peak and then it was over the second peak going into the season that we're going into now that was so problematic and again, for all sorts of different reasons you could see they were able to bring the numbers really down before they went into that second peak. we haven't been able to do that even so far in this pandemic. i think that's really what's driving his concern. >> let's keep that graphic up. i'm not good at reading graphics. so just tell us what we're looking at. that first bump, that was the first reaction to the spanish flu and then it went down and then it's the second bump is -- >> yes. >> and then went down and then

there was another big wallop. >> that's right. >> third wave. >> this is over time, the x axis is months and you can see -- i can't read it exactly. >> 1818, 1819 -- >> the fall of the year and the second peak is the fall of 1918 and you can see how significant that was. everyone coaches talking about the potential twindemic in the fall because of coronavirus and flu super imposed on one another and i do wonder, dr. murray, is that part of what is driving these numbers? hospitals will certainly become full we are flu patients aside from covid. >> the challenge of the twindemic is something all the hospital administrators we talk to are very concerned about. there was some good news from australia, new zealand because of all the actions to protect against covid, they had a pretty mild flu season. it's another reason why people being vigilant, avoiding

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breaking news in the investigation ordered by william barr into the trump russia probe. a sudden key departure and the reason behind it has renewed criticism for democrats that the probe is a fishing expedition time to benefit the reelection campaign. our senior correspondent evan perez is here with the latest. what do you know about the prosecutor that resigned? >> her name is norah, anderson. the u.s. attorney's office said that she did resign. what they're not saying is why. the hartford current newspaper said that she told colleagues it was because of political pressure, she felt there was political pressure for the durham investigation to deliver something before the november election. now, durham is looking into the organs of trump russia investigation and this is something that obviously the president has been eagerly anticipating his campaign has

been sort of anticipating and hoping for some kind of october surprise from durham. she is highly regarded and her departure was a surprise. >> are there any details from officials at the department of justice how the probe into the fbi's russia investigation is going? >> yeah, there is a lot of skepticism there will be any other big shoe to drop or indictment from this investigation. we saw a low level fbi lawyer who got indicted for falsifying an email that was used in the investigation. nobody is expecting any big revolutions here. it's going to be harsh criticism we expect of some officials that ran the investigation in 2016 and 2017. but we also expect, anderson, it will go well past november. the question is there pressure to produce something, an interim

report, halftime report for bill barr before november? that's the big question and highly unusual in these abnormal times we're living in. >> evan perez, thanks very much. here with perspective, two men who tan go with president trump a cnn senior legal analyst and andrew mccabe, a former fbi director. what do you make of the prosecutor's departure and the concerns behind it? >> prosecutors leave and come into office, leave office. very well respected as evan said by all of her colleagues within the justice department and outside. she and i over lapped and she was the acting u.s. attorney in connecticut in 2009, 2010 when i was in the southern district of new york. if it is true that the reason for her departure as has been suggested by reporting is because of political pressure from bill barr and perhaps

others, that's a real problem. that's a difficult thing to take as someone who loves the justice department. any time a justice department official resigns for a reason like that in protest, if that's true. is a significant problem. and it's not the first time we've seen it. we saw all four line prosecutors in the roger stone case withdraw when bill barr interfered with the sentencing decision there. so continuing problem is not just one case, there is a track record of this and people should be very, very concerned about. >> andrew, if this does all just happen to come out right before the election, whatever it is, even if the investigation itself is not over, i mean, that would certainly lend credence to the political nature. >> that's right. that's right. we all had a number of reasons to question the legitimacy of

politics into this investigation certainly the comments of the attorney general himself, the repeated references by the president to, you know, almost calling for a particular outcome in the case and i should say also, mr. durham's own comments after the conclusion of the inspector general's investigation into the russia case. all those things are reasons for people to think that politics might be playing a role here. now if it is true that this prosecutor who has a sterling reputation who is a long time and very close associate of john durham who left her other position and came on with him for the purpose of working this case, if it's true that she has now left departed the investigation in her doj assignment because of her concern about politics, that is a very, very damaging confirmation of what we've all

worried about and the type of thing that will greatly undermine whatever results mr. durham finally produces whatever that might be. >> is there a historical president for how much attorney general barr seems to run interference for president trump, the mueller report, the lafayette park protest, the michael flynn case, the eugene lawsuit? >> i'm not aware of one. there have been from time to time suggestions that particular attorneys general have done things to protect the president. that allegation has made not that infrequently. this is something different all together. all the examples you mentioned i think are items of grave concern and in this one, you know, people have talked about this general norm and policy and tradition and practice not trying to do something uneven in the election, not to unduly flu wednesday the election. what that general norm and tradition is about, if you have

a good faith investigation going on and you happen to be done with that investigation, if it's really close to an election, you should consider withholding until after the election. that's one thing. that's the norm people have been talking about. if the suggestions here are true, this is a lot worse than that. what is much worse than the thing i described is if you have someone in the justice department and worse, the attorney general at the heist of the president, bring something to the election for the purpose of affecting the election and whether or not that's true, the president of the united states made it clear that's his desire and wish and on many other occasions, the attorney general made clear he likes to do the president's bidding. the combination of those things makes for i think a very, very bad look for the justice department, for the president and for the rule of law. >> andrew, with all these kind of norms broken, does this -- regardless of what happens in this particular election, i mean, do we -- are we able to go

back to a system where, you know, where there is faith in institutions? >> well, i think for the reasons mentioned, it's incredibly corrosive. the makes the jobs of the fbi agents and u.s. attorneys around this country harder every single day when the public continues to lose faith in the institutions we rely on to protect our democracy. can it be restored? it absolutely can. it needs the right leadership from the president to the attorney general and on down and i don't think we have that right leadership today. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, a dire development in the west coast wildfires. preparations in oregon for what one official calls a possible mass facility insurance tent.

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an update on the wildfires that consumed the west coast where tonight oregon officials are preparing for a mass fata fatality incident. tens of thousands of fors trying to contain fires destroying entire communities. 100 large fires have burned more than 4.5 million acres in 12 states. in california alone more than 3 million acres burned so far. it's 26 times higher than the number of acres burned by this time last year. sara sidner has the story from just outside of los angeles.

>> reporter: massive wildfires from southern california to washington state. nearly the entire west coast of the united states is now covered in smoke. in california infamous forest infernos, five of the largest fires ever recorded in the state are burning now. firefighters are battling california's biggest blaze in history in the northern part of the state. none of these big fires are close to containment, just a week after record temperatures reached 121 degrees in los angeles. >> this is a climate emergency. this is real. >> reporter: governor gavin newsom is declaring he's done debating deniers of climate science. >> when you have record-breaking temperatures, record droughts, then you've got something else at play. what we're experiencing right here is coming to community. all across the united states unless we disappoint buise ourselves of all the bs that's being spewed by a very small

group of people. >> reporter: newsom says firefighters from canada and israel are on the way to help. >> this canyon has not burn in recorded history. so it is a powder keg. >> reporter: one northern california fire has already claimed at least ten lives this week. more than a dozen are unaccounted for. >> we watched these trees right there beside us go up and embers flying across. >> reporter: at this butte county shelter, denise says she jumped into a lake to survive. >> eight of us had to go down to the end of our road, go into the sand and get down in the water to avoid the fire. >> reporter: statewide, the fires are burning 1,000 acres every 30 seconds turning day into night this week in san francisco. in oregon, destroyed neighborhoods are stained pink with fire retar deant.

>> not much to lose for us but this is terrible. >> reporter: satellite images show entire communities in phoenix, oregon reduced to a little more than ash. in washington state, more acres have been burned in the last three days than all of last year. >> i've never seen any winds like this in my lifetime. >> reporter: the >> this is very devastating to our town. we have no chance. >> and back here in monrovia, you can see the smoke, and you can see the smoke across this entire state. it has been raining down embers, it has been raining down ash for more than a week now. to give you an idea of the size and scope of all this in california alone. the fires that are burning, the acreage that is burning is about double the size of the state of delaware. anderson?

>> sarah sidner, unbelievable. thanks. boos at the nfl's first game as players lock arms for social justice. advanced non-small cell lung cancer can take away so much. but today there's a combination of two immunotherapies you can take first. one that could mean... a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread and that tests positive for pd-l1

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ms. williams: we've been working hard... ms. robinson: ...to make learning fun again. ms. duncan: and making sure our students can succeed. ms. zamora: we're with you every step of the way. ms. robinson: i know it's a challenging time. ms. zamora: no one wants to be back in the classroom more than teachers. ms. williams: we have missed you so much. mr. hardesty: but we all have to be safe. ms. robinson: because we're all in this together. narrator: making our school buildings safer. ms. robinson: working together, we can make it a great year. narrator: because the california teachers association knows quality public schools make a better california for all of us. last month kenny smith walked off the set of his tnt

show in solidarity with players who boycotted the play joechs in the wake of the jacob blake shooting. >> for me, the biggest thing now is to kind of, as a black man, as a former player, i think it's best for me to support the players and just not be here tonight. >> and figure out what happens after that. i just don't feel good doing the show. >> and i respect that. >> the spotlight has now turned to professional football. last night, the limited number of fans appeared to boo a pregame moment between players of the houston texans and kansas city chiefs.

the boos lasted five to ten seconds while the players were locking arms. once the chain was locked they were applauding. >> i want to watch when you walked off the set at the end of august. i'm wondering given the time that's past, how you look at that moment now, and if things change for you in anyway professionally or personally? >> i think overall, anderson. thanks for having me. but the one thing i did understand as the moment was happening, it was nothing that was preconceived. as the moment was happening, it was the right thing to do. i feel like you need to talk about the march. sometimes you need to join the march so to speak. and i just felt it was a join the march moment. if the players were going to sit out, i thought in terms of solidarity and what they were believing in and why they were doing it, talk about social

justice and all the things that gone on in our country we love so dearly. i thought it was important for me to participate. now looking back at it, i feel real confident. more than anything else, i have kids and my 12-year-old son malloy, he didn't -- i didn't get to talk to him. so i face timed him, and as soon as i face timed him, all he was doing was this. so i was like, oh, man, he gets it. he understood, this is what i want to raise him to understand. my older kids, they understood but him, that was big for me. >> it's interesting to me how people are fighting for change in their lifetime often or in the time that they are fighting the hardest. generally society is not on their side. it's only in retrospect that people look back and say, what that person did was extraordinary. muhammad ali is the perfect

example. when ali started speaking out and refusing to go to vietnam and all the things he did. he was revealed by much of white society. >> this is the first time i think collectively, worldwide, this is not just america, this is worldwide, where people who aren't being affected on a daily basis by systemic racism or any kind of racism or social injust, they're all feeling a way about it. collectively. so i think in terms of history, we will see a great mark on the young -- this young generation who says, you know, we want equality. and we want equality for all people. and i think that's what we're seeing more around the world. that's what's so great to see right now. >> the nfl season opener last night, the houston texans, the kansas city chiefs. the players linking arms.

i'm wondering what you made of the moment? >> i think it's just a thing of solidarity. i saw the people booing as well, people have the right to boo if they want to. you understand why you're booing or what you're booing at? when someone on the opposing team catches the ball everyone makes a first down. i can understand why you're booing. but do you understand why you're booing now? you do have a voice, you can use it, make sure you know why you're doing it. right now, as a -- you hear the sayings that all could fit on the hat, black lives matter, this is important, and that's important. make this great again. those slogans fit on a hat. what we're saying, we're all in the same thought process of equality. and if you can't understand that, then that's the issue that i think everyone will have a problem with.

>> kenny smith, i really appreciate you spending some time with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. appreciate it. thank you, some real talk right there. >> welcome to prime time. never forget, 19 years ago today is when it happened. many of you have learned about 9/11 as history. but i am all too aware that for far too many of you, almost no time has passed. and to you, my best as always. i have thought a lot about what to say tonight. it is a special 9/11, because we come to it in the midst of another crisis. i do have a closing argument for you later in the show. but the headline is, the moment we're living is proof that never forget applies. we need to remember something that we