i want them to know why you are booing. when someone on your team, someone on the opposing team catches the ball and makes a first down, i can understand why you are booing but do you understand why you are booing now? that's important to know. you do have a voice and you can use it. make sure you know why you are doing it. i think it is important. right now and as we hear the sayings all could fit a hat, black lives matter and this is important and that's important. what we are all saying is we are all in the same thought process of equality. if you can't understand that, that's the issue that i think everyone relies on. >> ken smith, i appreciate you spending some time with us. thank you. >> appreciate it. >> that's it for us. i am going to hand it over to

chris cuomo, "primetime." >> thank you, brother. real talk right now. welcome to "primetime". 9/11, never forget, 19 years ago is when it happened. many of you learned about 9/11 as history. i am all too aware that for far too many of you almost no time has past. to you, my best as always. i thought a lot about what to say tonight, it is a speci special 9/11 because we come to it in the midst of another crisis. i have a closing argument for you in the show. the headline is the moment we are living is proof that never forget applies. we need to remember something that we promise to never forget. make no mistake. we are under attack again. 200,000 dead almost, 6 million

sick and many have not recovered from covid-19. get used to the term, long hauler. i am one but i am lucky compares to a fast growing number we are enduring so much worse. the numbers that we are dealing with are much dpragreater than attacks of that day. back then we were in a special place that we are not even close to today. we have none of the resolved. the sense of right and wrong. the sense of what we mean to each other. and as much as leaders today seem to want us to see an enemy in each other, it does not have to be this way. look at this. look at what happens today. joe biden, mike pence, the ugliest race i have seen locking arms in a good way at the 9/11

memorial, a pandemic elbow bump at a hype of a bigger, much bigger than the election. why? you do it on the need to keep as miss people here as you can. a national tragedy that's not getting the response we gave it back then. i know it is different. i know it is very different and yet what it takes to get through it is not. trump said in a campaign maybe he could have avoided 9/11. i have lived it and when it hit, he was nowhere to be found. plenty of private sectors stepped up.

they were drawing on an example who has not been that popular but he rose at that moment. there was somebody else. there was a mayor i watched everyday literally come out of the ashes with strengths and straight talk. eye-popping, straight carry talk. it made him america's mayor. just having him on the show tonight is assign that no dispute should render us incapable of the decency and the humanity that we see in one another. even in the worse of times politically, we can always be together and former new york city rudy giuliani, it is an honor especially on 9/11 to have you on the show. i have missed you. >> well, it is an honor to be back and it is an unbelievably important day. i know for me and my city and for many, many reasons, for many

hard reasons. really beautiful things that happened as a result of that terrible attack. >> so i know we spoke about this so many times over the years but it bears some reminding for r the audience who does not know you today. you were in shock for the first couple of days, duty mode and trying to figure out what was going on. you made decisions, you got on your feet fast and you started to tell us what you were learning as you were learning it even when it was so frightening and we were all living on edge that it was going to happen again. people forget that. we didn't think it was a one and done. >> why? why did you feel that you can tell us that kind of stuff and not freak us out but sure us up? >> well, it took a little while,

chris. you are absolutely right. when i arrived what is now ground zero for the first time, the second plane just hit. my police commissioner told me it was a terrorist attack. the one advantage we had was i was in office for seven and a half years. we had been trained obsessively for a terrorist attack. we had been attacked in 1993 right before i came into office. i established an emergency center we never had before. we would constantly had terrorist threats. we must have had four or five exercises and maybe 20 top exercises. we had 25 different emergency management plans. and i actually thought, i was writing a book about leadership and i thought we were prepared to do anything. probably a little bit arrogant. when i arrived at the site, i was told to look up because debris was coming down and it

was hitting people right near me and knocking them on the ground and some of them died. i looked up and i saw a man on the 101st floor and this is as memory that stays with me everyday. i have watched him throwing stuff out of the window. i watched him come down. i grabbed my commissioner's arm, bernie, i said this is beyond the two of us. we don't have a plan for this. you and i are going to have to stay calm and make the best decisions and we have to pray to god that's right because we are not going to make all the right decisions. >> the man who grabs the mayor's arms for a moment who has no jackets on. the mayor was walking around kind of figuring what's going on and everything is moving up the streets. bernie comes and grabs him. he moves bernie off of him and

kept moviing forward. that was your disposition from that day on. you were doing something. look, i could have done the management exercises that you guys were doing. i could never do what you did in the days and weeks and months that succeeded the event. >> you probably could. >> that's why you were built to lead and i was build to report on people who lead. when you were telling us, not just the media, when you were saying this was bad and a lot of dead people underneath this and this idea that people were alive, stop saying it and stop sugi suggesting it. if they could gotten to the top of the roof, you made sure that people knew, stop it. no one was going to leave up there and the heat was unbearable. we can show it to you. >> yeah. >> what gave you the sense that the city and really the country in the world could handle the

reality? >> first night i was not sure. you may remember the end of my conference the first night i was asked how many casualties. i was about to say it, i don't think people are ready to hear this yet. i had been told originally it was 12,000. at this time i would have said 6,000. the reason it was much fewer casualties by the way is the unbelievable heroism of the firefighters and police officers got more people out than anybody expected that could not get out during that period of time which was documented during the 9/11 report. >> yep. >> the second day i wanted the city to come back right away. i called up the stock exchange, i want you to open tomorrow. can i come over and talk to you. i wanted broadway to open right away. people were resisting me and by the third day i realized, first

of all, i had to let people mourn in their own way. i could start telling them a little bit more of what they're going to face so by the third and fourth day, i started to get them ready for the facts that well, we were not going of any survivors. i knew that. i went to see the coroner at 5:00 to find out how many body bags i needed. this could not be possible. you are not getting any. you realized those buildings melted, what do you think happens to the bodies? you are not going to identify them with dna or used to being a prosecutor and doing homicide cases. that just stuns me. it took me about two days to

absorb that. i knew i had to prepare people that, first of all, it was after about three or four days that i finally anonounced that we won' have any survivors. i knew that at 5:00 in the afternoon on september 11th. i make a decision and i say a little prayer. god, please make it right and this is beyond me. i had a wonderful partnership with the governor. he was very, very willing to allow me to sort of run things which of course is natural because i understand tood the c better. i grew up in new york city. i had the fortune having been chief prosecutor of new york for seven years.

i knew every part of new york city so he deferred to me in a way a lot of governors may not do. >> just to be fair i have no problem coming at you with things i don't agree with. you transcended the role, ordinarily, may rest in peace as much as my father respected you. if he had been governor at the time, he wanted to have a bigfoot print. you would have such command of the situation, even when the president came, president bush came and he meant so much to the city. the eyes were on you, you embodies the city. a lot of it is the toughness that you exhibited. i am not going to lie and give you some other story. this is what it is and this is what it is going to be like and this is how it is. i want to say something here and you know i am asking you this, people need to remember on this day.

i would never forget what you did to the city and my friends and the families that i know and loved that lost people by giving them a sense of what was and was not. nobody should ever forget that about you. i do so much appreciate you coming out on 9/11 for people to remember that full stop. i also believe that the significance of these woodward tapes important on a leadership level. you would not handle this situation the way it is being handled right now because we saw you handled a crisis. what do you think of the idea of the criticism that you knew things were bad and you didn't tell us even telling us would help us protect ourselves. you will not do that. >> well, i am not sure that'ses the right interpretation, chris. >> go ahead.

>> there are things i knew that i never told anyone. i never told anyone about the danger the city was in. >> true, the slurry walls at the world trade center. >> i would have done it if i knew there is a hurricane coming. i felt why -- let me absorb that worry and i never really told them quite what the conditions down there. we had these wonderful ceremonies with caskets and flags. i never told them what was really there. so you do try to -- when you are going through a crisis. it is a big difference between these two things. we were we prayered forepared f

terrorist attack. we had terrorist attacks before. my people were trained for it. last year at this time we didn't know of covid-19. we had no idea. in january we didn't know what it was. i think everybody whether it is the president or the governor, they're dealing with something very, very novel and different. i think you know the president made some very, very good decisions closing down the country to china was enormously significant decision for which he was terribly criticized. another month of the chinese people coming into the united states, we probably had a couple thousands dead. that was for whatever -- that was a great decision. the governors back in march and april of this year, i got the quote talking about how cooperative he was, including governor cuomo, newsom and

governor murphy about how cooperative. >> my brother was absolutely on that list when the president was good to him and cooperative. there is no time to play politics. i think the china move was the smart move but it was popular or not, i feel the president was politicizing it by saying biden was against it. we scrubbed this and he never said he was against it. i don't want to play politics with you. >> wait, wait. >> he said the president was being phenaphobic. >> i looked at it and we went through it on context. we don't have to argue about it. it was good that he shuts off travel. it was a good move but not a popular move. i stipulated it and i give it to you. >> he closed down europe also.

>> before anyone else was warning people what was going on. look -- >> this is why i am asking you. let me get the concept of the question and you go ahead. i am not saying he did nothing right. i never said that, never ever. i don't deserve all the attention i get of this administration, that's okay. this is what i am saying. you didn't tell everybody about everything that went on because it was too painful because it was too much. this is a different situation where the president knew certain realities about how dangerous this could be. not only did he not tell us that. he also toll especially his own supporters not to do the things that would keep them safe rudy. that's the part i just would never accept you would have done. never.

>> look, i was not part of those meetings and neither were you. i don't know what he knew at a certain period of time or what governors or mayors knew. it was all novel. i do put a lot of faith in dr. fauci who says the comments he made publicly were consistent of what he was being briefed on privately. >> yes. back in those days, fauci was telling us we didn't have to wear a mask and it was not going to be bad. >> he was wrong. >> he was telling us it was not as bad as people think. >> and he was wrong. >> he was wrong because a month later he turned out to be wrong. >> the advise changed. >> those comments were made in february and repeated in march. >> at that time just about everybody thought it was not

going to be anywhere near as bad as it was. >> absolutely true. in january and early february. they started to give the president different projections and recommendations. there are a lot of things i am not sure. >> do you think fauci is lyinly? >> no. he's saying that the president reflects it of the advise that was given. >> hold on. what tony fauci said was too his recollection and his experience, he never briefed the president on something and had him go out and say something else. that assumes that this information came from tony fauci which is not. we know in february he was toll thin told of the potential severity of this, not only he go out and say it is not that bad and not like the flu. when he knew, what it could be

because maybe he does not want to panic people. i got the timeline right in front of me. >> i don't know about anything he found out in february. >> february 7th -- >> it is not about fauci. >> fauci was giving the message about masks and getting yelled at giving it after he changed. >> how would president trump know the severity of covid-19 in february. >> february 7th. >> that's the time that people would tell him -- telling the people out to have a good time >> no, he was not. >> rudy. >> no, no. >> one president. >> let's say nancy was wrong. nancy pelosi was wrong.

>> first of all, they were getting their information from the president and the federal agencies. >> they were getting their information, getting the same information the president was getting. >> and february things started to shift, rudy. february 7th, trump told woodward that coronavirus was more deadly than the flu. two weeks later, he told sanjay gupta that was not true. this was the more important part. i will give you, they all did not know anything. >> maybe -- >> here is the bigger point and this is the part i want you to speak to. it was not telling them things he knew. i i will give you that. maybe that's good leadership, i don't want to debate. he also knew that people should be wearing masks, should be socially distancing because this was going to be worse than we had thought and he didn't tell them that. he toll them d them to do the o. why? >> i am going to tell you why.

when you sit in a room and had five or six advisers, i am sure he got conflicting information. i don't remember the timeline as well as you do. i do remember the number of doctors say wearing a mask would not help at all. that lasted until march. >> no. the people around him were saying the opposite. they were wearing masks. >> i found it difficult to wear a mask. i can't breathe when i have it on. >> well, it is no easy. >> i know glasses. >> you would do it to save yourself. >> i figure how to do it now. >> you are a smart guy. what i am saying is this. still today the president is doing this. he held a rally where people were crammed in michigan and they're turning the curve up there. they're not turning the curve and not wearing masks and masks are optional.

why? wear the damn masks. don't come to a rally like this. >> they are. you think it is bad now, the mortality rate has been cut about 80%. >> i think we are doing better but it is still bad. case numbers are growing there. >> it is not the case numbers. a lot of the covid diagnoses at "the new york times" are questionable. the question is how many people die? we got all kinds of illnesses. >> sick matters. >> it does. we can get sick from many number of things. >> but not sick like this. i tell you a number of time, god forbid, this is not the flu. >> the reason we closed the country because we felt the hospitals will be over loaded with patients and crack on medical system. >> right. >> fatalities was about 4% or

5%. it was down to 1% or lower right now and our hospitals are not over loaded. >> rudy, you would have done the same thing like you did in new york. if you had information that the numbers were going to go this way and people needed to separate. >> i would keep the city close. >> hold on. one step at a time. >> that's now. we'll talk about now. i am saying they'rover doing it. >> rudy, i am not debating to you now. >> let's go to then. >> i can't remember as well as now. >> then matters. i will tell you why. it is not just because -- i am one of the lucky nes. it is not like i got some ax to

grind. >> god bless you for bgetting through it. >> i was praying for you. >> i know you were. i know we had disagreements and you have been angry with me. >> i know. for you and me is easy. i respect you my entire life. i don't have to like what you do and say and i don't have to like what you do and say. >> i have respect for you and you have a wonderful family. >> everybody should have a family like yours. >> i don't know about that. one is enough. >> and your wife and kids and your dad. i admire you tremendously. >> i will tell you something. >> as an italian american, he was a hero to me. >> i respect what you especially

did then. because it was hard. >> can i say one thing a little different? >> we got to get back to that. i saw you show that picture of pence and biden. i remember i wrote an op-ed piece when your brother, murphy and a few people praised the president, this is wonderful, they're getting above politics. we got to find ways to do that. we f got to find ways. i was a republican mayor in a democratic city. i had to get along with people. i could not pass a damn thing. i walked into his office and said, peter, i am the new mayor, we have to work together. i want you to know that i really respect you. he said no mayor ever walk ed into my office before. i said i need you.

i am willing to compromise if you are. >> that's called politics and deals. >> sometimes we call each other names. >> i am sure. i remember well. >> rudy. >> to satisfy these wha-- >> the problem is your client does not play that way. i admire exhibit a of that. >> you know what, decency never goes outs of style. >> different needs for the country. >> you think the country wants a president of somebody that wants to destroy and attack on a regular basis? >> for this point of view, i will tell you his point of view. if you would treat him fairly and your network, you would find

him to be appreciative and willing to work with you. the day he came to office, a lot of democrats want to impeach him from day one. >> that's not me. >> i know it is not you. the pressure has been brutal. >> i am saying the dynamic. >> from my point of view i never seen a president brutalized like this. >> you have never seen a president put out what he's put out. this president -- >> i think he's fighting back. he's trying to get his message out >> his message is the media is your enemy and the blacks are your enemy. >> they are. >> the media is not his enemy. >> illegal immigrants are not your enemy either. >> they are people that had to be dealt with in the legal

system. >> yes, but you don't demonize them as rapists and they're going to come and kill you. >> he demonized them as ms-17. if this were a generation though, trump would have been saying this stuff about your parents and mine. >> my parent and yours did not shot people's heads off and did not sell drugs. >> chris, the ones he's talking about are the ones that commit crimes. >> he went way beyond that. >> he did not. >> i know him very well. he's not referring to illegal immigrants who come here and just want a job. he's sympathetic. >> he said they're filled with bad people and they're going to come here and murders and rapis

rapists. >> in some cases. >> there are low percentages of bad people than citizens. >> you know what he's doing. >> you don't have to deal with the people coming over the border. you have not met like he has. rudy, that's not fair, yes, i have, the system should be wrong. change the rules. hold on, i don't want to go that far back. >> he had a deal. i don't want to go that far back. >> he walked away from the deal. no he wants to get rid of the same type of -- >> no, he did not. >> family you knunification.

>> however you interpret it and what he's concerned about are criminals who hospitalized wiid illegal immigrants. >> i think it is part of the campaign. >> they're wrong. >> they should lose the debate on that issue. >> i have no problem like that. >> i am not saying it. i have never endorsed it or condone it on my show. >> we would be willing, let me tell you honestly, he would willing to compromise. >> then do it. >> he has sympathy for the people who are here illegally and working. >> all right, fine. >> he has great concerns. >> let's see him do it. that's fine.

>> if you are worried about crimes. there are a lot of places to look before you look at illegal immigrants. >> i want to get to something else. >> this is thedoing. >> i was able to prove that and should they ever try to impeach him based on russian collusion.

when i did that, mueller was still investigating russian collusion. he did not conclude that until late march of april last year. i was collecting information as a defense lawyer to defend my client. i have been accused of doing that. that's not true. >> i am not accusing you for defending your client. you are looking at information to frame biden. >> i was not trying to frame biden. i was told that biden got bribed. >> you were told by shady people. >> no, i was not told. >> i was told by direct witnesses. >> they're people who found to be shady, they had the new prosecutor over there that once and for all that biden had nothing to do with what's wrong with burisma. >> no, he didn't. >> i am not saying the company is okay. i am saying the prosecutors did

not say biden was not apart of the company's problem. you know what he said >> the biden family got about anywhere from $8 million to $10 million. i got the documents. >> they don't have any proofs for that. >> i got to get the content right. >> the context matters. they said let's put an end to this. biden jr. and biden sr. did not appear in this particular proceedings. >> totally untrue. >> i can show you the do you meam documents. >> i can show you that $3 million was laundered. that is ukrainian document. 3 million of that goes to the

bidens' kids. they enriched themselves in iraq and ukraine and unbelievably in china. >> if you cared about it so much and i am not stipulating the facts. if you are so upset about that, you got ivanka trump getting trademark in china. she just got another one last week. she's working for the united states of america and cutting on her business are worried aboutt is kind of convict. >> i cover all of it. >> he'll not disclose how much money he's made. >> his guys said he made none and his guys said he made nothing. we don't have any other proof. >> i want to end where we started because leadership on this day especially. >> i hope we do because this is

unsatisfying when you can't answer the question. if you are going to ask me the question -- >> i am giving you full opportunity to answer. >> i did not do full research on joe biden. i was defending my client in the most honorable way a lawyer can do. >> well, i am not trying to defame you. i am saying that's what it looked like to me. i know you are representing your client. if people had paid attention to the date. they would have seen that i did it well before biden was even a candidate. >> there is also concerns. >> i got the document and proofs and witnesses but nobody would play it. >> the 2016 information wi.

>> i never used that conversation. >> why would you even meet with this guy? >> hef was not apart of my report. >> why would you meet this guy? >> it has to do with direct witnesses. i interviewed him because he had additional information. what he gave me was a document from the ukrainian document going back to january of 2017 saying that $5.3 billion in foreign aide is unaccounted for. >> he's called by our government to be a russian operative and propagan propaganda. >> please let me finish. >> two people have been indicted by the ukrainian document for embezzling $2 million. >> two of them were close

associates with george sorrels. our foreign aide was being diverted to ngos illegal. >> i am just saying our government -- i want to let you answer -- i want to let you answer that question. you know our government sees andre dircash as a guy that's not respected. >> he does not have a single bit of information. >> that seems to be true. >> all witnesses -- >> he has known. >> i believe it. >> i rendered my report about biden six months. he's a hearsay witness.

>> i want to ask you one more thing. again, our memory of this day will never change and your role and your righteousness and purpose. >> i appreciate that. >> it is just the truth. if i would say anything else, i would be lying. i do want to know, don't you believ believe from now going forward. we were not as bad as we were but we don't know where it is going to go. >> i agree. >> do you believe this president should tell people wear masks, social distance and do what you can to keep yourself safe. >> he certainly says that. >> no, he does not >> the question of masks and social distancing. a lot of that depends on where you are and how bad it is.

there are different situations in this country. >> true. >> but in places where they have community spread like in michigan where he just was, their case numbers are growing at a rate that had the governor worried about events like this. should he be holding an event like this. >> let's not talk about the governor in michigan. >> let's not bring politics into it. >> oh my god. >> the numbers, rudy. >> we'll have to disagree with that. >> there is community spread in michigan everywhere that was relevant to this. to have people with kids with no masks in a crowded area, you will do that. >> chris. i don't have all the facts. when i look at the mortality rate of the disease now is different than three months ago. we are in a different word right now. we are in a world of 1% fatality

rate. >> people are still getting sick. >> i say the 10% of fatality rate when i got prostate cancer. >> you did what you could to beat the cancer. >> here is an interesting question, how many did we kill dou during the shutdown? how many people did not get diagnosed with cancer or had heart attack that was not addressed or how much depression? i don't know. >> well, a lot. >> i don't know if you are asking the right question. >> i am asking the right question. >> it is how many people would have not have died. >> i have a good friend that

runs off consequences to the shutdown. >> how many people would still be with us had he been straight with us. >> that's an unfair comment. >> well, that's an unfair comment but shutting down -- >> i am not disagreeing with the shutdown. i am telling uh-you that you goo understand there are other sides to it. >> we kill people with the shutdown. >> you save people with shutdown. >> not everybody dies of covid-19. >> this is not a situation of shutting down, killing people. it is still a risk. >> people could not get cancer treatment s or diagnoses. >> i have not heard or seen a

single clinician put out anything. you know what on balance we would have been better off without the shutdown. >> i didn't say that. >> come on. it is something as a leader you have to consider before you shutdown the entire economy. you got to consider it. if you don't consider it, you are totally irresponsible. if you say people can't go for elective surgeries, sometimes that's what saves your life. some people are going to die. >> 200,000 people died. we got millions and millions of cases. they wound up having catastrophic consequences in those states. that's why i asked. >> they're not catastrophic. >> they had huge spikes in

cases. >> diminishing people dying. >> the number is way down. >> now. but it was way up thanks to him letting it run rapid by doing stupid things. >> maybe we should remind people that the real source of this virus is china. >> that's who trump said he was getting his advise from about what the virus would do. now it is a china virus. then he was saying xi jinping is doing great and i am getting my info. from. come on. >> until we found out what was going on and he closed down china and everybody accused him being --s. -- >> you know what's happening to china, getting back to life. >> let's get back to where we ended. >> you win because having you on

the show -- >> a difficult day. >> i thank you very much for understanding that and i really like the fact that i came on the show tonight, it made me feel good. >> rudy, i love you, i love what you did for my city. >> you disagree with me. we see the world differently. >> that's okay. we can argue what happens as long as we agree. >> thank you very much. >> you too, you had your own big fight. you are always welcome on the show. >> i will be back. >> rudy giuliani -- >> like in the "the god father," we make the peace. >> i love you rudy giuliani, thank you for what you did. we disagree with decency. you be well on this day. >> thank you for what you did >> you too and your family. thank you, we'll be back. >> thank you. resurfaces skin to visibly reduce

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thank you for joining me. anthony scarramucci is with me. what do you think versing the reality of the woodward's tape.

>> i love the mayor and i will always remember what he did. i love him for that. i think he's misguided of what the president is doing and i will remind the mayor if he's president is doing, now, is the opposite of what winston churchill would do. we need compassion and honesty, here. the woodward tapes are everything that you need to know about this president. it's a surgeon general's warning label for the future of the world and for america. and i'm astonished that the mayor doesn't see it the way i see it. but that's okay. i love him, anyway. >> and look, we can disagree with decency. your client makes somebody an enemy and basically endorses people trying to seek out violence against them and destroying their families online. and what i don't get is, anthony, we always have the same conversation. not us, per se. but other people say, well, this has to matter to his base.

and you and i understand, no, the base support him, despite. matters more. but when they hear that he was telling you not to wear a mask, and go out, do whatever you want. when he knew that, in those same places, it could make them sick. will that, still, not matter? >> for a lot, it won't. you know, jim acosta, last night, was interviewing people and they said that the pandemic is a hoax. they bought into the president's nonsense and the president's lies. but listen. you know he's vicious. i know he's vicious. i tried to help the guy. he comes after me. he comes after my family. what president would do that? okay. the guy is a disgrace, chris. and he's, also, a bully. and so, the bully's not supposed to win in america. and that's why we're rallying and organizing against him to make sure that we send him home. >> now, if this doesn't matter and things in the swing states are as tight, do you think that the democrats and how they have

dealt with the fight everybody should be on the same page about, which is that we should have more equality in this society, the message that, look at the violence that they think is okay. do you think that could be a losing case for the democrats? >> well, i -- i do because the president knows how to tell the big lie. you know, he is telling people that joe biden wants to defund the police. he doesn't want to defund the police. but so my message to the biden campaign. you got to go five times harder on those messages, and let people know that they're going to be safe in the suburbs shlgs sa , safe in the cities. this is donald trump's america, where all this catastrophe's happening, chris. and they got to hit that harder because the president has the bully pulpit and i'm worried about that, yes. >> you know, less than a week after george floyd, biden said,

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it was ash, everywhere. i keep it with me, still. this was what was on me and around me. it was everywhere and on everyone. it wasn't ash. it wasn't moon dust. but it was all too much of this earth. building and everything else that was in it pulverized, in our eyes, washed with tears but never really gone. spread everywhere, on everyone. still, found months later in places you didn't think to look, with eyes that now knew terror and death and did despair. never forget. but remember, too, what came after. how we cried and dug and buried and hugged and fought and mourned and pitied and paid and patriots, all. we were angry at them. but just as passionate in our

commitment to us, there was no color or kind. there was just like minds, just for a minute, streets filled with quiet courtesies. communities making we of me. remember, god bless america replaced the anthem, for a minute, as we were open in our collective call for help from above, from below, from anywhere. so many were lost. but no -- new family was found. must that moment only be made by a bomb? we need each other now, as we did then. hard times make strong people. in the worst, we see america at her best. it is still true, if we are led to it, and not away. we can make ourselves better, as we did. as we always have. never forget. never forget. that's all for us, tonight.

thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. >> it's amazing. every single year, when it happens. you know, i still look up and i expect to see those twin towers, chris. and they're not there. and then, it's just this reminder of what happened and what used to be. and seeing rudy giuliani on, it just really brings it all back. >> you know, and there really is a tale of two rudys. you will never make me not remember what he did, that day, for this city, for me. i watched him, up close, bernie, i watched him, up close. is that who he is today? >> no. >> my opinion? no. time goes on. men meet moments, different ways. i don't understand why he gives this president the gift of his loyalty and the risk of his own reputation