louisiana. you get it around ocean springs and biloxi, look at the rainfall, a slot of 6 to 10 all the way to atlanta and up the carolinas. it is going to collect and maybe 10 or 24 inches of rain. it will be catastrophic flooding. >> tom sater, thank you. the news continues, i am going to hand it over to chris cuomo for "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." we are 50 days outs of a-- unt the election. oh boy, we are stuck. we seem confused and divided on rudimentary and most basic things. wtl happens.

a pandemic or a cry for justice or a big-ass fire or storm that's more frequent for worse and yet everything is in doubt. this president is driving this cycle. his latest wtf is his attack on science as a basis for understanding natural disasters. >> it will start getting cooler. >> i wish science agree with you. >> you just watch. >> i don't think science knows. >> i wish science agree with you. >> i don't think science knows was the president of the united stat states's answer. >> his nonsense, both of which left us vulnerable than ever

with these disasters and pandemic. this wtf science must not create an idk. science is not a person. it is not as cnn anchor that trump can just insult to get his base all riled up. science is knowledge. it is what we all look to for understanding. if science were a person and it is not, science would always know what it is talking about because science is the answer. no touching stoves, why not? fire burns skin. science. chemicals can color skin and hair. science! his intention is clear. science for the list of things that should not be trusted as much as he is. but we my brothers and sisters

must break the cycle. murdering police? wrong. always. period. saying police are murdered by those looking to demonize without proofs? wrong. justice should be fair and evil for all. period. saying there is no problem with justice in this country is wrong. and ignoring science is wrong. hence, telling your supporters to do things that you know will increase your risk of getting a virus that you know is worse than you telling them is wrong. yet this president defines what all should be. listen to his own words. new stuff. april 13th, the day after easter, remember he wanted churches packed with people. woodward reveals new audio

tonight and it appears on steph steph stephen golbert, trump himself was running. >> i mean, you could, you could be in the room. i was in the white house a couple of days ago, meeting of 10 people. >> including me , he says. the man who has every rapid covid-19 test possible and everyone tested around him all the time. he was worried how easily he could catch it. he was telling the rest of you to do exactly what he would

never do himself. he's still doing it. this president is the opposite of science. he doubles down on dumb and dangerous because he's about serving himself. not you. today a packed gathering in the hard hit state arizona. the chairs are zip tied together as a fire precaution. what about the danger of this many people in the audience with no masks on? why? why would a president care about his people do this and not because he cares more about himself but once again the only person safely socially distancing in that room is him. the president of the united states violated state rules in nevada yesterday from crowd gatherings.

his own white house gatherings holding a jam packed rally as this country approaches 200,000 dead. make the case. how is this not proof not a care in the world? that sea of supporters didn't say to wear a mask. you must get back to basics. that follows science. one of his top health aids now attacking government scientists at the cdc, michael caputo. he's the top hhs spokesperson. he accused them and pushing an insane conspiracy. i asked him on the show tonight, he could not go. scientists are part of this growing radical left that are

looking to ruin this country. he's not saying what he wants to be said about covid. is administration appointed a long time climate crisis skeptic to help run noaa. there must be more focus on what we know and not what some politicians want you to believe. a president believe to say global warming israel but along playing a reel in the california fires, blaming bad land management? >> i was talking to ahead of the major country and he said we are a fire state.

he said we have trees that is are far more explosives. he meant explosives in terms of fire. we don't haves any problems because we manage our forests. we have to do that in california, too. >> now, he's going after california because he thinks he's going to lose california, okay? here is the point for you to take home. left and right. just be reasonable. much of the fires are out of the west. we are starting and burning on federal lands. if it were a question of land and management and it is federal land that is at least part of the problem, who's job is it? who's accountable? who's at the top of that chain? he is. california governor schooled him

with something today. >> we acknowledge our role and responsibility to do more in that space but one thing is fundamental, 57% of the land in the state is federal orland 3% is california. >> he does not know. he does not know. you know what's worst? he does not care. sitting there with his arms crossed and gavin newsom telling him, you are in charge of the land that you said not properly managed. what did he have to say about that? just think about it. he does not think they manage the land well, it is federal land, you are in charge. it is okay that he says nothing? all blame, no shame. that's what he's about. it matters. we can't deny truths because it is inconvenience. we have to get a live update on hurricane sally, on the fires,

both. we have two natural disasters hitting us. we want more on those infernos out west. i am talking fires and we'll see what's happening with this hurricane. cnn's martin savidge in oregon, lyons. >> reporter: yes, you got it right. oregon is not used to this kind of fire they have seen. 1 million acres went up in flames. that's what they see burning wile fires over two weeks in one week. there are 35 fires are burning. firefighters are trying to control the blaze.

humidity levels and winds have died down. that's all good news. there are still ten down the state and 22 that are confirmed missing and of course as we know the number of missing are going to go down and number of those killed are going to go up. it is still dangerous for many crews to get into the area. rain predicted later in the week, the bad part of that news is lightning and winds will come with it. lightning starts the fire and winds drive it. there are still a lot of concerns in oregon tonight. >> those fire-nados. martin, please be safe, you and the team and as always thank you for helping us understand a dangerous situation better. >> reporter: you are well cocom. from fire to waters. hurricane sally. now what is unusual here, our

meteorologist, tom sater, as your map shows you this is one along many brothers and sisters who are still out there. >> yeah, can you believe this? five named storms. this happened once before in history, 49 years ago, 1941. bermuda was in the eye. they named it vickie. there is only one name left on the list, wilfried. we are three weeks ahead of the benchmark here 15 years ago. we knew sally is going to increase in strength. last night it was tropical storm. i under went rapid inten

intesification. >> you know typically one or two years actually go through rapid intesification. we are not sure when it will make landfall. we thought it will make landfall after midnight tonight. because it is slowing down so much, remember harvey in texas is dropping all that rain. this could spin out here in 24 hours. they extended warnings east of pensacola. it is looking better in new orleans now. when it is spinning offshore, we can have over 24 hours of a surge. each passing hour that water gets deeper and deeper in land. making its way receding back into the gulf. harvey was spinning over land. this is spinning over a water source. i think this is going to

surprise a lot of people but again this could make landfall late tomorrow. it could be midnight tomorrow or midday wednesday. i wish we had better idea but that means we have to watch this hour by hour. and mobile could hit hard and the national hurricane center. it is not just in land flooding. it will be the worse with the surge. you can see these bands moving in. it will be horrible. >> as always, you come back to mow. that water is collecting up. th tom has talked about in the past. . that's called science. what does a meteorologist mean?

this is unusual which is my when he believes it is a function of a dangerous dynamic. poll climate change. that's science. that's what we have to respect. it is not always going to give us answers. go on outside and have a barbecue. go to church on easter, don't worry about it. i am not but you should. telling people at that time you knew that it was dangerous for them to be doing it and you thought it is going to spread like crazy and tcit is terrifyi and you are telling them how to do things like that. that's the difference between science and blaming people. covid is going to disappear magically. it is going to imagine cmagical cooler now. we'll take all this nonsense to a former epa administrator. a real republican, a trump's world insider.

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uncle john's braziliilliance ge as a scientist. let's talk to two republicans who know science, miles taylor, homeland security. welcome both to "primetime." >> thank you for having us. >> i remember growing up republicans being the smart ones. 27% of republicans/lean republicans trust scientists. 27%, how? >> he's been denigrating science since he took office. he's been saying science does not matter and it does not comfort with the message he wants to sends or the things he believes in his brain then science is wrong.

he's been hamstringing them and undermining our government and our rules of law. science is really taken a hit. those 27% i would bet you anything are the ones who'll switch over and vote for joe biden this november and it is the rest of them who are these trump's supporters who believes everything he says even when they try to walk it back. this is much worse than i think and yet he has these rallies where people don't wear masks except people standing behind him. he makes them wear a mask so he looks good on the shot. the president says it is not real. that's what happens when he's done it enough now and undermine science enough that people don't know who to police chibelieve.

>> myles, i see you are nodding along of what the governor is saying. fine, if he's going to say something and people believe him. so they believe him. that line stopped when it came to wildfires. what is it about science? it is easy for him to bash institutions because people do feel humiliated and thrown out by the system and betrayed by the system. i get that. science? why why? >> i got to agree with the governor. donald trump is antiscience but i am going to give you the simple explanation for why he is. science represents truth. donald trump does not like truth unless it fits his narrative. when the science runs contrary

to the narrative he wants is no longer truth. it is inconvenience or pushing the information away and that puts the american people in danger. we saw this all the time. the department of homeland security of course we have fema within our department. the people at fema are responsible for tracking things like climate change because it is going to affect flooding and hurricane and etcetera, they would be scared to believe the president and the white house on climate change and climate developments that affect disaster mitigations because they were worried and going to get shooed away. this is a man who could not read unless you brought pictures. this week we are talking about the california's wildfires and hurricanes, i have actually been in the room with the president on both response to california wildfires and hurricanes. let me tell you how he responded in terms of syberspacience.

he denied it was a federal problem. he wanted to cut-off the aids to californians because he was mad because the californian people did not support him politically. when it came to hurricanes t big question he had for us is that the direction of hurricanes always spin, counter clock wise. one last thing. when we tried to convince him he needed to tell the people in carolinas to evacuate, the president said "well, i saw a trump supporter on tv says he's going to hunker down, that's what i want to tell people to do because trump supporters are tough." >> you need to tell them to evacuate.

he saw a guy in the parking lot on television saying i am going to hunker down because i am a trump supporter and that changed his mind. >> governor, i am not sure if miles want me to laugh or cry. this is the part where it starts to become problematic. you want to believe in somebody? fine. miles, it looks like he's right with all of that. politicians distinstink. when he says this is as land management issue and people find out which he did not deny and it is largely federal land that's the problem here which means it could be his problem. it does not move the needle with any of his supporters, why? >> it is extraordinary, chris, i don't understand how you can present people with feedbacacts. they are so bough into the fact that it is only what trump says, not what he does.

it is what he says matters. it is scary. it is causing people their lives. it may be feine for those peopl who go to his rallies. if i get sick and die. you can be a carrier and it is just mind boggling to me that we have reached the stage where you have a man who's promoting c conspiracy theory denying science and looking away from his job. his job is to protect the american people. he's miserable at that. he never done it because he does not care. he only cares about himself and whatever that's going to refleck well to get his voters out. he's running scared now so he's going to become even mo dug in. he says is right and everything else is conspiracy.

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i am going to warn you. this is disturbing. we need to see the reality so we can discuss it. these deputies were ambushed and the gunman still on the loose. you see him walks up and shoots directly into the window before running off. it is incredible. he failed to kill either of those deputies. the extent of what we know that's it. i just showed it to you. anyone who says they know why this happens is pushing androgen an agenda. that guy has a bad mind or soul or brain or a combination of all of them. let's bring in two men who knows how this fits into the big conversation the nation is

having over the police. chuck wesley, thank you both for being here. in a situation like this commissioner dale, where do you want people's heads and hearts go immediately? >> first, i hope everyone would be concerned for the sheriffs that were victims of this attack. an incident like this is home to me. 18 years ago i had a partner killed in an ambush off-duty. it was vital for us to solve the crime and not make it a political game of agenda. the case comes first. so solving this case is the priority. i think it is huge that you are asking your audience to come

forward. you got to focus on this case, make a prosecutorable case and get this person off the streets. that's the focus. >> brother, when you see this and you know what's being said, what do you want to remind people of situations like this. they're rare but not like we have not heard about it. we have one in new york and not that long ago and there was a copy cat not long after that. >> yes. >> my first reaction when i saw this was summer 2014 when two officers were assassinated. very similar to this. it is tragic. this is the only profession that we put on a uniform and to some people you are a target. no other profession like that. this is horrible of an

assassination. hopefully they will identify this. what the motivation was. right now we are praying these officers will be okay. >> amazing that it did not whine up. the way the female got out and making all these rational decisions after being shot like that, phenomenal statement of her character and confidence. commissioner, then it starts. you know why this happens. this guy is black and he's angry. this is what happens and it is all over the internet, what do you say in response? >> i think those in leadership have to stop this wave of jumping to conclusions. and happens time and time again

whether the police are victims or allegedly the problem. there are cases where cops are the problem. we got to be honest, chris. when you have two officers shot, sitting in the vehicle, we need to know all the details. we need to let the homicide detectives, everyone and broward detectives. everyone must get vinvolved. it is out of control in the united states. it is even worse when you got a president that wants to say death penalty. you can't do that. we need to know the max and we don't have them all right now. >> just so people don't think i am pulling this out thin air right now. this would not be brother lewis' definition of trouble. listen to the sheriff. >> actions, words have

consequences. our job is not getting any easier because people don't like law enforcement. >> now, chuck, the reality is a lot of people don't like law enforcement and you have people try to kill cops to get strike with their gain and a reputation because they are unstable and they're angry about something, a lot of reasons. if anything they should have informed us why officers are so on point when they are doing their job because they know this is a reality that can come visit them the way no other job has. the idea that words have consequences. why would the sheriff go there in your opinion? >> well, words do have consequences. that's back in 2014. there was this rhetoric out there and so some people and people who are mentally unstable, they hear some of these rhetorics. >> i think he's talking about what's going on right now and

not 2014. >> we don't know what happened and what this individual did. something to keep in mind, most people like the cops, right? what we are seeing today is we are seeing some very difficult scenes. let's be honest, some of these videos are difficult. we need to learn from it. that's what has to change. every time you see one of these videos, every police chief in the country should take his people and bring them in, how would we do it differently? we have to change how we are thinking about this whole thing. where we are today right now is one side and the other side, you know we have to be the grown ups and have to step back and figure out how can we get cooler heads to prevail. we all have to change. we all have to stop the finger pointing.

>> commissioner, i will give you the last word. >> i agree with the training and tactics. i am happy they will survivor. we have to look at officer safety. when i was a cop in baltimore, if i am riding with a partner, it goes back to training like mr. wexler said. >> we need them and we need our men and women put on their uniform. we need a community of color. the people will tell you that. a lot of stuff are getting mixed up in terms of what people think and what they really believe in their communities and anthony, i know this kills you watching this happen to the people.

chuck, i know it does as well. i am sorry it happens and i appreciate you being on the show to talk about whatmatters. >> thank you. the coronavirus story that we are just not getting to you enough. this long-haul syndrome is not hyped. you are about to meet a father who's been through six months of hard covid and his nine-year-old son has endless symptoms as well. yes, the kids are not supposed to get zit nit and it is not th same. this kid and his father are worth listening to. i learned some things. next. ♪

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science. >> 550,000 children tested positive for covid-19 since the pandemic began. some are learning also are not just getting it, not just asymptomatic , they are hurting and they are becoming long hall. a my next guests with him and his son facing covid-19 for nine months. jonathan lipman writes, i have now been diagnosed with covid-19 for 180 days. you start to wonder whether the world have gone deaf or you just seize to exist. jonathan lipman and his son, eli are here. they are long haulers.

you are going to hear about this because it is real. we have a world renown physician studying long-haulers. jonathan, eli, dr. lee, thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having us. >> jonathan. what's not unusual is you got sick back in march. what's not unusual is testing were all over the place and it is hard the figure out what was going on. the little less usual is your son getting it. now the part that is most relevant is you have not been able to get rid of it and that's a lonely world. not just lonely in terms of what you don't know but what other people insisted what's true about you. jonathan, what did you deal with in terms of the not believing. >> well, we of course got sick in march and it was hard to get tests and our tests came late.

when we got them, it came back negative. once you get a negative covid test in the community, you don't have covid. period, it stops. every time we came back to the doctor to figure out what was going on with us, the explanation kept on changing. maybe it is some other virus or some problem in your gut or anxiety. no one really believed us that we were still sick. when you keep being not belie r believed, you stop believing yourself. >> you got diagnosed with covid and you have been struggling all along and it did not go away. you and i had similar cases in terms of fevers and all that. what happens in term of your experience of what we are calling it long-haul symptoms. >> it is a lot of intense body

aches. i broke my shoulders once on a bike crash. i had shortness of breath and could not make it up the stairs and can't make it more than a few blocks. the worst part is fatigue. i can't get through a regular day and i can't work full-time. eli will tell you that i like to cook dinner. i could not do that anymore. i could not take care of my family. i am falling asleep and passing out on my couch. >> and i have been fairly open of what happened with my family. my 14-years-old, mory, he too had that fatigue and eli, i know you dealt with that also where some days he would be okay and other days he was in bed all day. what was it like for you and what is it still like for you? >> before it felt like getting

the day after you get smashed into a wall. like you are aching and sore and tired. not the tire that you are going to sleep. i meant during the daytime. i wish i could but i could not go to sleep. my body is just like nope, you can't go to sleep. every time i try, i just don't and i don't like it. >> dr. lee, very unusual, first of all to hear a kid as articulate as eli as period. >> with adults are rare but we are starting to get educated. kids, i have not heard about at all. what's your take about that? >> well, chris. thank you for having me on and you know as we have been talking about long-haul symptoms come after covid has struck and it

beats people up but not everybody. some people get better and they go on with their lives. those people who feel nothing and the same way you guys are talking about, we need to take these symptoms seriously. we are trying to understand what's going on. my researchers, we believe that there is going on as well. and so one of the important things is to keep talking to your doctor, and doctors need to keep listening to their patients and listen to shows like this, to really understand there is something unfolding between -- before our eyes. that we need to actually come together, with the patients and with ourselves, as researchers and as doctors, to try to help heal. >> jonathan, what has worked for you? and what do you want to know from the doctor, if anything? >> i think, what's worked seems to be rest and time.

eli and i are both doing acupuncture. and that seemed to have caused some relief. i guess, we've been hearing about things you can do to try to support blood vessel health. that's something a lot of the long haulers have been talking about on places like the support corps facebook group. so i have been trying different supplements and stuff that are supposed to support blood vessel health. but if there's anything the doctor can advise people on for that, we're all ears. >> doc. >> yeah. well, so, one of the important things for blood vessel help is try to get as much sleep and try to get as much regular movement. it may be difficult to exercise but movement keeps blood going through, coursing through our blood vessels. and that can be helpful. also, eating leafy greens. i just came out of a plant-based nutrition conference and i gave a lecture about food and diet and nutrition and covid. there's a lot to be said, now more than ever, about eating to

beat disease. and so, i think this is something that we can talk more about, at any point. but i do think that there's more research to be done. talk to your doctor about nutrition. go work with your survivors groups. >> eli, what do you want kids to know? because this is scary stuff and most of the adults are telling people your age, you'll be okay. you probably won't get this. and if you do, it won't be any big deal. what do you want people to know? >> kids, i'm sorry to say this but it is a big deal. it will hurt. you just got to face the truth. sometimes, you're not okay. and right now is one of these times, if -- if kids have long haul, they're not okay. but the good side is you will get better. before -- after -- before here,

like five months before this, i felt hi felt like i was just going to die, at any moment. but not really die. i just felt supertired. i couldn't get up. i didn't want to do anything. but now, i'm walking around. i'm getting more energy. and i'm feeling better. >> we have started to see some improvement for him, which has been really, really heartening. you know, a month ago, he was still really down at the depths of it. and the last month or so, with the ak puchg chcupuncture and m and starting to admit to ourselves that we're sick and give ourselves the space to rest, he has improved. but, you know, one of the other symptoms, chris, that i wanted to tell people about is eli had a low-grade fever, every day, for months. and that was one of the most maddening things. we would tell the doctors about it and they would say, well, it's only 100-degree fever so we're not worried. but a hundred-degree fever,

every day, for months, you know something's wrong with your kid. and i just kind of wish some of the doctors had listened to us about that. even this morning, he had a fever again. and he was back down by the afternoon. but it really wiped him out this morning. and that's still a thing that we're struggling with. >> doc, any take on the fever? >> well, you know, this -- the fevers are caused by cytokines in our body that are trying to fight disease. and so, hopefully, this is actually something that's going to get better for eli. and i think better for everyone who's actually got long-haul syndrome. eli, i actually have to tell you i haven't heard a 9-year-old actually explain medical symptoms as well as you. so if you ever want to go to medical school, i'll write you a letter of recommendation. >> that's what my grandma says but i'd love to be, either, a zoologist or a vet. so, maybe. >> if you become a vet -- if you become a vet, eli, that's good because then you can be my doctor. jonathan, eli, thank you very

much for being with us. we're family, now. we'll stay in touch. i'll keep listening to you. i'll have you back on the show if there's something that happens, that is relevant to people's understanding. and dr. leie, as always, appreciate the good counsel. >> thanks, chris. >> eli, i will hook you up with mario. take care. keep getting better, guys. >> glitch, though. >> thanks. >> take care. >> all the kids complain about glitching. facing the truth with the pandemic from a 9-year-old than we have from our president. we'll be right back.

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let me just leave you with this bit of perspective. you can't tell me that you look at that father and son, and see somebody who's faking it for you. 180 days, they've been dealing with this. that kid is bright as hell. he's got some future. 100 fever, for days and days and weeks. can you imagine what you would do if that were your kid? and yet, in this country, look what we're doing with our

schools. we're working on an assumption that, yeah, no, they'll be fine. and even when they're playing it too careful because, look, i have been very clear with you. i'm not happy that my kids rntd hadn't in school. and i don't see these ideas as in conflict. two things can be true, at the same time. i want my kids in school. and i get that they screwed up the plan and they don't have the rapid testing and the right mentality to make it happen. but imagine being that father dealing what he is dealing with, himself. and then, your kid. this is going to be the reality for many, in this country. and that is going to wind up being part of science. let me bring in "cnn tonight" with its star, of course, d. lemon. you know, this idea that the president doesn't like science. no, it's what he doesn't like is truth, that is not on the side of what he's selling because when it comes to the vaccine, he's all about that science, isn't he, don lemon? >> yeah, he is. >> he's all about that science with the vaccine, right? >> well, that kid knows more about science than-