the cheshire cat analysis in wonderland, if you don't know where you're going, any path will get you there. the fact that one of the president's closest advisers is intimating he doesn't know where he's going and is willing to take any path to get there is scary. >> it's only one of the scary truths in this book. it's -- it was very -- and it's been very unsettling to me to travel this road and stare down what i heard and saw and verified and went back and my wife elsa who edited this book six times and is my counselor and would come to me and say this is a good section, but you're not say iing what you me.

which, of course, is the dreaded verdict to any reader, she was right and she helped me, so we're struggling the two of us with this. not just peering into the white house and trump and so forth. peering into america. >> and i think a lot of people across the country are wrestling with that as well. peering into the country and themselves. and this president. bob woodward, thank you very much. the news continues, i want to hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. >> anderson, to hear bob woodward go through the agonizing of whether or not he should have written what he did at the end of the book, is a little bit of a metaphor for just what a trying time this is. for journalists and everybody processing, our politics and frankly our culture. all that he told you tonight, i listened every moment. what shocks you most about this dynamic of this book, and what

was said and what was heard. >> i'm not sure that -- to me, the -- it confirms a lot of stuff that we have been covering for a great deal of time in a very, to hear the president's own voice, confirming all this stuff that we have been covering. the downplaying of the virus, and tonight to have him on a town hall at abc i think it was, saying, oh, no, i never downplayed the virus, if anything i upplayed it. these are things we've all reported on and seen in realtime, to have the kind of level of detail that bob has in the book from all these different people but from the president itself that to me is what's most compelling. >> compelling is a good word. i wonder how compelling woodward's book is.

the question is going to have two premise. can anyone be compelled? and if you have people with open minds, is what they heard come out of the president's own mouth going to be suggestive of something different than they thought going into it? >> i don't know the answer to that. i think -- you know, the lines seem pretty clearly drawn for a lot of people in this country. so i'm not sure how many people there are on a fence to be swayed one way or another. it's fascinating to have the information out there, and look, we're in this business, we believe in getting as much -- as many facts out there and on all sides of an issue, and letting viewers make up their own minds about what they want to do with those facts. >> he mentioned carl bernstein obviously, we were going through our own reporting exercise once. i was saying to him, we have all the facts here, carl, but i don't know whether or not this

is going to be enough for people when they're hearing this, he said, that's not the job, you can tell people it's true, you cannot make them believe what is true. people will believe what they want to believe, and that's exactly what this president is banking on. i got to tell you, anderson, this was helpful tonight. you did a job. >> sorry i ran over a minute into your show. >> you should have taken the whole show. what matters more than this. we now have two hard truths to deal with, the first, we just heard anderson with bob woodward. he made it clear, the president is aware and has always been aware of what is going on with this pandemic, the danger. how quickly it could spread. and he is only really concerned with his own political fate, not yours. he wants credit for a situation

that was made worse by his inaction, he upplayed it, he just said, he didn't downplay it. it matters that he screwed up even the language. there is no upplaying. there is playing it up, also what? he can't even make up an answer that makes sense, that's why i point out the distinction. stopping travel to trial still allowed over 40,000 people into this country from china. the point is, the virus had already moved to europe by then. and was coming here by then, okay? by the time he made the move. now, look. if you need to hear this, hear it. doing the restriction with china, doing the restriction with europe, by most metrics and most people involved made sense. they were good moves. some on the left didn't like it. saw it as xeno phobia, i don't think that's fair criticism of biden. i don't think he was speaking

about the moves when you look at the record. he'll have to explain that for himselves. they were good moves, they did not mean -- he didn't have to do what was needed here. specifically with testing. it's the only way we know what's happening with the virus. it did not make it okay, the china and europe move for him to tell people, forget the masks, go out, eat, live your life, reject your governors. all their pleas to stay home for a while, forget it, he knew better. his inaction and action helped make cases increase. his job is to protect us. he's protecting himself. how? how does that protect him -- he didn't want the pandemic to be a reality to push down the economy. you really think the pandemic supersedes the economy? that's your answer. he will play down a pandemic because he wants to keep what is

good for him in your mind. even though it had already been brought down by it, they're connected. a little bit, no more than a little bit. yeah, you're right, that's trump. yeah, you're right. he knows it's right. he wants 200,000 dead to be seen as a success. my simple suggestion is the same every time he says that. tell the victims families that 200,000 dead is a success. here's our second hard truth. we got to see the real picture of what's happening. and where this virus is and where it isn't. we all talk about the virus all the time, you probably have a pretty decent sense of how many cases there are, maybe even a good ballpark on deaths. you don't know where it is and where it isn't and who and why, this matters. we don't deal with the reality. you want the reality, here it

is, look, look at the map. it's not all red any more. what does that mean? it means that only a handful of states are getting worse. good. reality is good. no. no, it's not good, and here's why. this is what isn't told to you enough. it's not burning around because it has mostly leveled out. but think about what that means, plateauing at a certain case flow. if water is still coming into a boat, but it is slowing down at the rate it's coming in, are you not sinking any more? we're still sinking. you'll notice on this map, keep it up, please. only a few states are actually coming down. that's what has to happen cases have to come down for us to be able to live the way we want to. how much? i'll get to that in a second.

the idea that almost 35,000 people testing positive since yesterday. you hear that, that's pretty good news, it's less than it was. i'm telling you that's more about us getting tired of the reaimty than the reality getting better. in late july we were up around 60,000 a day. is that better? yeah, but we're still sinking. would we ever say that about death? 772 american deaths a day? that's better. better than it was. tell the families. they died of a virus that you can control by staying home and with a mask? all these other countries that have none of our resources, none of our supposed national reso e resolve. our strength, our character. they did it better? the reality is, we've just hit another plateau. we're not actually bringing

cases down. that's the reality. and why? trump. no. this is not going to be settled by left and right, it's going to be about what's reasonable. the real area. here's the hard truth. the reason we plateau is you. and me. depending on where we live, depending on what we've been asked. too many of us are not doing what we were asked as long as we were asked to do it. we're still around 60% of those asked to mask up complying. if you're only at 60%, what do you think is going to happen. you're only going to get at best 60% of what you wanted, right? it's not apples to apples, it's more complicated. you would have to be at 100% to help yourself in any real way for cases to go down. and none of these moves were ever meant to be permanent. nobody would stand for that, if communities stepped up, cases came down, they got to start

doing things again. in the places where restrictions have lingered, it's because the percentage of positive cases has stayed up, that's what i want you to think about, i used to tell you, hospitalizations, yes, obviously, you're in the hospital, i mean, you're sick. how sick do you have to be to get to the hospital. i was pretty sick, i never had to go to the hospital, thank god. the percentage of positive cases. that's what you have to pay attention to. that's the main metric that ez going to control our future. how low does it have to be, we're never going to get to zero, right? what makes sense? we don't really know. the w.h.o. sets the threshold at 5%. can you do that slower or do it again? okay, it moves at one speed. these are the rates for positive test percentages, we're at 8%. all those other countries were much lower, right? percentage of the tests that you do that are positive. what will they do? they play with the testing.

that's why they've always messed with the testing, i've always been all over the testing. that's the way to keep the truth from you. that's the way to control the reality. on a state by state basis, only half of our country is below the mark we need to meet. four states are triple that benchmark. i'm telling you they are lying to you about the reality in this country and they're doing it for political advantage. the whole way we talk about where this disease is needs to change. we used to do it in an easy and obvious way, regions. they were on fire one by one. it was in the northwest, california, oregon, washington, then it flew to the northeast, new york, new jersey. in the summer, the midwest, now it's hitting the south. once it bounces around everywhere, good. no. no. now that the virus has done what

it does is spread anywhere, anyway it's less about regions, it's more about specific communities or events that are going to exacerbate the situation and cause problems for a community like what? like sturgis. come on, i love it, i love the cultural event of it, i love everything about it. what do you think is going to happen when you have something like this. he is the mascot for disobeying what you're told to do about this virus. large indoor campaign rally. i mean, masks socially distance, wash your hands, don't do anything you don't need to. trump. college campuses, kids will be kids. if you put them there they're going to do what they do, that's why we call them minors. but the reality is, from ohio

state to south carolina, iowa, texas tech, university of wisconsin we're talking about 60,000 new cases since august, that's only looking at a quarter of all colleges, who knows how honest they're going to be. we rely on it, but institutions protect themselves. power protects itself. let's look at just kids, okay? this is another one i think we're getting played on. it woung wound up with a school situation i personally find unacceptable. kids, what's the good news? they do not die like the rest of us in this virus. thankfully, we don't know why, but it's not happening. we know of 377 deaths for those 24 and younger. my heart goes out in ways i can't even tell you for any family who's had a kid suffer with this let alone pass for it. i'm in no way trying to minimize your pain, one is too many.

in parent that sees a child go, i don't know how you survive. but we take way too much solace in the number. death is not the measure of the problem, a lot of kids are getting sick, kids can be asymptomatic and still transfer, be contagious to other people who are in danger. i was never near death thank god, nor my wife for real thank god. nor my son. he was really sick on and off for a long time. weird days of sleeping, we thought, it's just because he's a teen. doctors can't give us any answers, there's no medicine, nothing to do for him. he didn't feel right, he was an odd color. with time he's gotten better, how do you look at these things, that's not the way you want to see your kid. you saw that parent last night with the genius, the kid has a 100 fever for weeks.

so now where do we get it, we're afraid of our kids, you and i would go back to work. i came back to work, i've been sick, i have the antibodies, i don't believe the antibodies mean i can't get sick again. i don't believe it, the science is not completely there, it's suggestive, but not despositive. the job matters, i'm an adult i'll make my own decisions my kids, i'm not letting them do anything i think is risky. i can't in good conscience have my kids go to school when i know they don't know what they're doing. they don't have enough cases to test. they can't really monitor, they can't control, and i don't trust them to be honest. we can't trust anybody to be honest in this situation it seems. they keep lying to us. because we didn't jump on testing, we didn't do what we needed to do, now our kids are screwed. some of the kids are back in school, but not enough.

a single case of covid in a school is going to send this ripple effect of disruption. why? because they don't really know how to measure it in realtime. k to 12, i can't give you accurate numbers of what's going on. how with the kids, it's all about the kids, kids are other future. we do everything for them. no, we didn't. here's one thing everybody agrees with. >> i'd like to see the schools open, they have to open. yeah, i think schools have to open. >> every time our president said this, i said the same thing, one word, how? show them how? give them the help with the testing. you have the cdc, you have the defense production act emergency power. you have the pocket. you have the power. no, schools a local thing. this is an emergency. but they don't know how to track

how many schools are having to close because of kids or teachers testing positive. we don't even know how to measure the failure. how did we get to here? this isn't two weeks, all these big shots, all this money, all this talking, all this media, we can't even get our kids back in school. i don't even know as a matter of science that the kids shouldn't all be back in school? i could show you data and research from people around the world who say look, you know what, based on this study and this and this, the kids are in there, they'll get sick, but it's not that bad. you have to be careful about who's at home and how that works. you can figure it out. i don't know that i believe that. but they're not giving us anything better here and you know it. there's no way our kids can get back in school and we can get back to anything close to normal if we can't tell who has this damn thing in any kind of small window of time. even when you account for population differences, and the

realtime infection rates in each state. as a nation we're only doing a little over 60% of the number of tests we need. and we both know, you're never going to be able to test everybody all the time. we have to test smart, but we're not doing that either. only 11 states meet the target for how many tests they need to be doing. 11. most of them are in the northeast, you have michigan, new mexico and alaska in there. just so happens to line up pretty neatly with the places where the harvard global health institute says it's safe to start reopening schools. you compare the united states to the rest of the world, the best we can say, and this is so embarrassing, we're not the worst. yeah, we got the most cases, we got the most dearths, but when you adjust that number for population, there are ten countries in worse shape than us. you see them there? is that who you see yourself? when you talk about american

excellence? america first? is that the group you want to be in. a lot are in better shape pan we are. no disrespect to those countries, i'm talking about resources, capabilities, we have the best health care system capabilities in the world, not how much we charge for it. not how much you get for your buck, not access, but our mortality rate is around middle of the pack, in large part because we have extraordinary ability with our first responders to keep people alive here who would die somewhere else. our positivity rate has had 14. that's the response. we're not all in. the next part of the equation is medicine. let's bring in chief doctor sanjay gupta with us. the president said something tonight that is correct. he has pushed the vaccine at a rate of acceleration we have

never seen. you and i both have sources on operation warp speed. they say, this is the all-star team, we couldn't ask for better than this. they threw money at us to go into product with this. that's a fair assessment, is it not? >> yeah, no, no question, i think the pace of medical innovation around this has been faster than anything i've seen before. >> he is probably wrong according to my sources about when the people working on the vaccine will feel good about it getting out of phase three, especially with this little set back they just had, i don't know that it's a little set back, they have people that are getting sick in a way that they have to figure out why. let's see if he's wrong. he wants everything about this to be geared to his advantage. a vaccine doesn't stop this virus for us, even if we got the vaccine today, give me a hypothetical, we all have access to the vaccine today.

all of us, have access, what's the time line look like? >> well, first of all, that hypothetical is not -- that's not going to happen. >> that's why it's called a hypothetical. >> i understand, but tens of millions of doses maybe by the end of the year. >> but i'm giving him the best case. >> if you had a single shot that you were given today and then probably need another shot in a month. you would start to develop significant immunity a few months after that, we don't know, as you pointed out earlier, how long that immunity lasts. it's not going to be the flip of a switch when people get this vaccine. for a period of time people are going to need to wear masks physically distance, there may be a sense of opening up things you may not have otherwise opened up. it's not the flip of a switch. i get that it's a hypothetical again. the idea, people say the vaccine

is ready this fall. i think what i've learned just talking to people over the last few weeks, the general public really is not going to have access to this vac seen until the middle of next year. i think it's important to set expectations clearly on this. so many people -- it's like the purple pill add you see on television. i'll take the purple pill, that will take care of all my problems. this is not the purple pill, we understandably should wait for it, and make sure it's safe and effective. it may take time, we may need to get it seasonally, there's a lot that goes into this. 600 million syringes, you're given two shots, 300 million people. we got stymied by nasal swabs in this country. we need to make sure all those various components work as well. >> everything sanjay says is

right. the vaccine is not the answer, it does not end the virus the pandemic will not just go away, this is not a movie. it is not acceptable as an answer for the president, because at the end of the day, i got the biggest thing right, the vaccine. it's not the biggest thing. now where i'm confused is this, masks. i just told people, 60% of those who were asked stepping up and doing it, it's a problem, we've been told by fauci several times that a national mask mandate would help, the ihme says we flat lined at about that 60%. we need to be at 95%. but now, fauci says i don't know that a national mask mandate would work. what's going on here? >> well, you know, i think what he's saying is that -- not questioning the efficacy of masks, he's saying that unless the will of the people is in

lock step with the authorities, it's just not going to work, how are you going to enforce this, how much are you going to fine them. i think that's ultimately what he's saying, there was the belief going back to july, and even more recently, when you say hey look, you get to be a part of a movement that saves 100,000 lives. all you do is put a couple ear loops on, and you save lives. people were surprised that a significant percentage of people said i'm not going to do it, i'm not going to be a part of that movement that saves lives. his point is, you have to have the will of the people and the authoritative action in lock step here. >> sanjay, i love you, thank you for helping us understand the reality. >> i want to wait for sanjay to leave, here's why. we know why people are resistant to masks in this country. it makes no sense for people to be resistant to masks if you

think it can help them and help them help other people. there's one reason. and it's the president telling them it was a joke, it's a hoax, this is the left, this is what they're trying to do. do you remember how it started? they're putting a mask on you to control your freedom of speech. think how stupid an idea that is. and that's what he was pushing. and now all of a sudden we have a country like no other that is fighting masks on the basis of political principle. you think he has nothing to do with that? he's the only one that has something to do with it. why do you think he makes fun of joe biden's mask. the vaccine is not the answer. this show, from now until november is not going to be your daily check of who's going to win and who isn't. a lot of that is bullshit, it just is. it's a prognostication.

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fact, too many of our kids are not in school. too many of us are dealing with this suck of home school zooming, which gives you a chance to be back in school. the second largest school district in america says it has a plan to fix that. what's the plan? what do you think? regular testing and tracing for all 700,000 students and 75,000 employees and their families. that's always been the only way we were going to get back there. if we don't know, we can't trust. if we can't trust, we're not putting our kids in that situation. austin butner is the l.a. superintendent. we have mr. butner and andy slavit here.

gentlemen, thank you. superintendent, just quickly, i am not in anyway trying to be disrespectful here, we've always known if you couldn't test the kids on a regular basis, you weren't going to be able to have any degree of confidence. why didn't that message resonate up to create an urgency to help you scale testing from the top down? >> well, chris, the message has been there since march, the head of the world health organization gave us the answer, test test test as you said so eloquently. and we put together a plan with three parts. the first isle th practices, the cleaning, the social distancing, keeping students in small cohorts and all of the state of the art health practices in schools. we will test for the virus and we'll be able to trace and follow up in the school community. to do that, we put together three research universities. stanford, john's hopkins and ucla. anthem, health net,

cedars-sinai, two innovative labs, tech giant, microsoft. we brought together the best team possible to do this in schools, as you said, we have to be able to provide information to people so that we can control and isolate the virus, that's the only way back to schools, we all want teachers and students back in schools in the safest way possible. >> you've been saying this in one way or another, every time we've been dealing with this. why is it taking so long? >> well, we use the testing capacity we created that we should have been using for schools for people going to bars, for people getting sick, doing the activities they wanted to do over the summer. we didn't make the sacrifice and the task force took about a month and a half off. if we had actually decided we're

going to prioritize schools, do what the superintendent wants to do. and we chose that, we would have been able to have enough testing so we would have been able to open on time much more safely. >> that would have required us to not allow people to get back to places of business which would have forced a lot of economic pain. >> sometimes in a pandemic, you have to chose the least worst option. what are the things that can be open, small businesses can be open, certain offices can be open, certain things like bars create hotspots. and i think there was a tradeoff that we were unable to make or unwilling to discuss. we would get better results for schools. >> or if we had been on the same page from the beginning. you're going to stay home, be hygiene crazy for this amount of

weeks, we would have been in a different case flow situation. a lot of research to suggest just that, what will it mean now for you. if you get all the testing capacity that you want, will kids be able to glow back to school five days a week, full time? >> what we're doing, and we wish at the federal level the tools and resources were provided. we have had to provide for ourselves, testing capacity. we brought in the experts, what this will do is get us back in the safest manner possible, and keep students in school, because we have the ability to isolate a case. we've he all seen the examples, indiana, someone's identified with the virus, no one knows who, where, how. by lunchtime everyone's gone home and it's a haunted house. it's not just a question of how we get back, but how we keep

teachers and students in school as safely as possible. and this program allows us to do that. >> thank you very much. we'll keep up with you. frankly, we're lost on this, this is not a pocketed problem, you're going to have economic opportunity and you're going to have education opportunity because of this. slavit, me, you, we're all in the same bucket with this. no one's kids are where we want them to be. if we don't expand the capacity, if the federal government doesn't do what it could do to coax these companies into doing it, we're going to be stuck, and here we are. gentlemen, thank you for helping us frame the reality. we'll be right back. feel the cool rush of claritin cool mint chewables. powerful 24-hour, non-drowsy, allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation

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tonight about this, the testing isn't there, that's why our kids aren't in school. we have to stay on it, we have to do better, kids are going to lose too much time. i don't know how they get that back. this election, what matters to me, will it be a fair process. the president is hitting you with something that i can disprove to you right now. 80 million unsolicited ballots are going to be sent out. he has warned about it at least 250 times this month. that 80 million number is actually the number of voters across 41 states who must request their ballot by mail and are expected to do so. in several of those states, you still need an acceptable noncovid excuse. that's that number. not what he said. it is the opposite of un

solicited. it must be solicited. nine states plus washington, d.c., do send unsolicited ballots. that adds up to some 43 million voters, half the number potus claims. now, where could the president's campaign of dissituation lead you. who better to ask than ben ginsburg. sound familiar? represented george w. bush in the famous/infamous 2000 florida recount. counselor, good to see you. >> good to see you, chris. you know this stuff, what's your concern of the rhetoric and the reality. >> the rhetoric is the problem. we've never had a president of the united states call our elections rigged and fraudulent. i've been working precincts and

national election day locations for 38 years. the evidence to claim our elections are fraudulent is not there. popular acceptance of the results is a pillar bedrock of the democracy. it's dangerous to make sweeping allegations like that without evidence. >> what step sideways, and then i want to ask you about the concerns of the process specifically. do you think that we will have a prediction of a winner on november 3rd? i say a prediction, because bennos this. we never know the winner on election night, that doesn't happen until a couple weeks after, when the electors go and make their count. we do a prediction. do you think we will have that this election on november 3rd? >> only under some circumstances, the number of

absentee ballots. the 80 will that are going to come in means that the count will be delayed in most states. there are some bellwether states that will get results, have historically gotten results quickly on election night. if joe biden is winning florida, and florida is one of those states that processes their absentee ballots quickly. then you're going to have a clear outcome on election night. if donald trump is winning new hampshire or nevada that's a good indicator of what the final results -- >> it's going to be so tight, i don't think it's going to be good enough. i take your counsel on it, that's why i asked you the question. the process, trump's main salvo and his supporters or surrogates is, man, mail-in ballot, how do you know who even sent it in? it's so easy to cheat, and then you can just show up at the ballot and vote a second time.

and maybe ulene try that because the president told you to, it's hard to secure it this way. >> yeah, it is. but the states have all worked out mechanisms on their votes. we republican and democrats as well have been looking for fraudulent and rigged elections for the last 40 years. and the evidence is simply not there, that absentee balloting isn't accurate. a number of the states that use universal ballots have minimal instances of reported fraud. again, if you're going to make this sweeping allegation, you have to have the evidence and the evidence isn't there for that. >> are you worried that republicans won't vote by mail-in ballot because just like masks, the president has made them taboo? >> yeah, i -- it's sort of a self-defeating strategy, really. i mean, republican voters look to be about a third as likely to

submit absentee ballots. absentee ballots are a political operatives dream, they're votes in the bag. in normal circumstances, you want your people to participate through absentee ballots. then there's less of a turnout operation on election day. it's why you see a number of republican state parties and campaigns sort of counter manneding the president's rhetoric and telling their supporters to vote by absentee. >> ben ginsberg, i'd like to have you back. this has become an issue to watch, if for no other reason, toxic suggestion from the top. thank you very much. stay healthy, i'll speak to you soon. you hear that?

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historic legal settlement in

the wrongful death of breonna taylor. the 26 year-old emt was killed in march you may remember during a botched police raid at her apartment. the city will pay her family $12 million. louisville will also launch sweeping police reform. but the question becomes, what does this mean in terms of what is solve? listen. >> a significant as today is, it's only the beginning of getting full justice. it's time to move forward with the criminal charges because she deserves that and more. her beautiful spirit and personality is working through us on the ground. so please continue to say her name. >> ben krump.

the taylor family attorneys: counsel, good fo see you. counselor baker, does today mean tell the audience this civil settlement doesn't procollude criminal action. what is your concern? >> it's important people know we resolved the wrongful death lawsuit which included sweeping reform. that was important to the family. it's important that the officers are held reliable. and in kentucky there isn't sufficient evidence for the grand jury to return a indictment for second degree manslaughter. there maybe evidence i'm not privy to that warrants a higher charge. minimum the public has had access to there's sufficient evidence for a grand jury to return an indictment of reckless behavior of the officers and that is second degree

manslaughter. >> counselor, we both know, there is nothing in this settlement of any admission of wrong doing. even though it's a wrongful death suit by the police. it is a settlement. we're not going to say we did anything wrong. let's settle it. it's unusual for a civil settlement to come before a prosecution. of any kind. this is a little unusual in terms of timing. what does this mean? >> i think this was a landmark step towards getting justice for breonna taylor. it's not just about the $12 million historic settlement which i believe is one of the highest ever paid out for a black woman in a wrongful death police shooting in america. it helps the precedence to say black women's life matters too.

it's equally important about the reform. her mother really wanted this settlement to be about trying to prevent another breonna taylor happening in the future. because you cannot talk too much about this pandemic that we live in in black america. the police are killing black people unjustifiably. >> reform. reform is a word that on it face means nothingful it's about what it is and how it will be. there's an irony here that police reform led to the type of targeting of different neighborhoods and targets that led police to target where breonna taylor was. so reform isn't always a remedy. what will be reformed here and do you believe it is a remedy? >> it's not sufficient. it's sufficient for what we want to do here today. we recognize additional reform

our criminal justice system is necessary and continue to work on that. the reforms we were able to get in this case included community policing initiative. encouraging police officers to live within communities they patrol. dispatching social workers to mental health crisis. so we don't have police officers responding to situations where professionals are needed. we have accountability reform measures. early warning systems. they expect identify officers with red flags. a detriment to the community and taken action in regard to early warning systems. and we did a sweeping over haul of the way that search warrants are approved and seek traditional judicial approval as well and the way they are executed. so we don't have another

situation on march 13. >> i know you are in a restaurant. you'll be with the family. and i appreciate you taking time out. we're hearing you fine. so thank you. one of them of the reforms is the city must track police use of force incidents and citizen complaint. it is mind boggling that we don't track this activity in so many different places. let alone locally. that may prove to be meaningful. thank you for taking the time. on a historic occasion. in terms of what this may mean for women of color who found themselves at this end of policing. it's not the end. it is unusual to have a civil settlement come before you get resolution on the criminal side. what will that mean about what does or doesn't happen going forward? we'll stay on it. we'll be right back.

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