moderating a town hall with joe biden from scranton, pennsylvania. hope you join me for that. i'll try not to take up too much of chris's time. chris cuomo joins me now. >> time with you is always time well spent. >> you with your pretty words. >> thank you very much, my brother. have a good night. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. here is the reality, the covid vaccine will not be ready for most of us for about a year. and your best bet to be safe right now is to wear a mask. this is not a new reckoning. everyone involved with the making of the vaccine or on the task force agrees with the two propositions told to us today. and yet the president attacked the head of the cdc for saying so. he said, he must have heard the questions wrong. and forced an odd clarification from the cdc, why? the cdc head dr. redfield said

what trump doesn't want you to hear. like his other opponent, science which he says doesn't know what it's talking about, this from the man who says herd mentality when he meant herd immunity. maybe not. after all, trump's not banking on the science of immunity, he's banking on herd mentality. getting as many of you as he can to believe his own experts reject. the vaccine is the magic pill. it's going to be ready before the election and maaco individual-19 go away. masks, bad. why? they're proof we're in a pandemic. pandemic is bad for the economy. trump thinks the economy is the key for his victory. even though he knows the vaccine is not what he says nor when he says, he says it. he largely ignores masks even though he knows doing so is putting people at risk. and is arguably caused much pain

in this pandemic, because that's the reality of where we are and who he is. so tonight, let's go at the reality in three ways. al gore is here, is trump opp e opposing science working? polls sure are tight. also the governor trump took on tonight for trying to save lives in his state is here. and my and many of your biggest frustrations, our kids not being in school. this government has us believing there's no better way than what's happening right now. they are wrong and i can prove it. mama, happy birthday. let's get after it. the founder of the climate reality project joins us now. former 2000 democratic nominee, who experienced unique election drama himself, welcome to prime time. >> thank you, chris. and let me add my happy birthday

to your mom also. >> thank you very much. so the president has an obvious suggestion, don't listen to science, listen to me. this will disappear. those fires out west, bad blue state governors, can't manage their land. forget about this, science, climate, it's getting cold. sounds silly, but has been effective on his base. do you think he can win on that message? why or with why not? >> he shouldn't win on that message, chris, it's dead wrong, and almost 200,000 americans are dead from this coronavirus. and most of them died unnecessarily. the impacts of the climate crisis are so much worse, and instead of lasting for months and years, will last for centuries and perhaps longer. he's trying to gaslight the virus. he's trying to gaslight the climate system and they're

impervious to his words. really, our only hope is to get the best information available, and act to protect ourselves and our civilization in response. just look at what's going on. the biggest fire in the history of california is raging right now. three of the five biggest ever are raging right now. it hasn't been that long since the same thing was happening in australia. eight, nine months ago. there probably is an area ten times larger than the area burned in the american west being burned in siberia and the arctic where the news cameras can't get there to show it to us, but this climate crisis is entering a new phase. we need leadership. we have the solutions available to us if we can get the politics and the misguided propaganda messaging from the president out

of it. >> but the polls suggest a different reality, not only is he around the number of most presidents. somewhere around 40% in the first term, but even with a pandemic, even with national outcry for equality, that he opposes and largely foments, even with an economy that has taken a huge hit because of the pandemic, he's doing very well in this race. it's very tight, how do you explain it. >> i'm not the best political analyst in the world, chris, but i read the numbers a little bit differently. as i look at them, it seems to me that joe biden has a very durable lead, or at least it has held up for many months now, through both party conventions. we haven't seen the president's popularity numbers rise above where they should be for him to

be re-elected since he's been in this term. people like joe biden, they know him, they like him, at least that's the way i read this situation. in my faith, tradition there's the saying that by their fruits you shall know them. well, we've got the worst economic downturn since the great depression, almost 200,000 americans dead. we are seeing the president in his approach both to the climate crisis and to the pandemic not only not helping to deal with them, he's making both of them worse, spreading the coronavirus and these maskless rallies with big crowds indoors promoting the burning of more fossil fuel. by the way, the burning of fossil fuel is a precondition for a higher death rate under -- from covid-19.

we know that from multiple studies in the u.s. and china and in europe, we see it all over the world. so we really need leadership. and instead, we're getting gaslighted. >> also, you know, the pandemic, the fires, the fight for equality. there are a lot of conflation there with the three of them. you look at the same community being affected adversely with all three. brown and black communities more sick, more likely to have problems with the police, more likely to be where the wildfires are. no coincidence, it's as much about class and economic opportunity as it is about science. >> absolutely, both the pandemic and the climate crisis reveal the pre-existing inequities and injustices that have been tolerated for way too long. and i'll tell myself among the many who even though i felt like i understood what we needed to

do to fight against this discrimination and inequality and structural racism. my eyes have been opened by this, and i know of so many others, and that's why we have had this awakening in the country. people are not going to tolerate this any more. you do know this, i'm quite sure, that the death rate for black americans is more than two times higher in the pandemic than for white americans. the highest infection rate is in the navajo nation, hispanic americans are affected more than others. and so yes, this is very unequal in its impact and that's yet another reason why we desperately need the kind of steady stable sane leadership from the white house. >> i saw a scary meme today, or a sad meme. young black guy in scrubs and he says, horror with a hoodie.

hero with a knife. as an essential worker, disproportionately minorities. they're our heroes. but in every day life, walking on the streets, they're a point of suspicion all too often in this country. interesting take on the state of play. another reason i wanted you on, you are a rare bird, mr. vice president. why? you were vice president, you were democratic nominee 2000, ran against biden in '88. obviously you know the job of vice president, you know the job of what it takes to be president and be nominee, you had an election where you won the popular vote but did not win the overall. and you had a lot of election drama within your own election. perspective, what do you want people to know about why the gravity of the election matters? how it is conducted matters? how it is concluded matters? >> well, we have a lot of challenges in our democracy right now, chris. and the president as i said is

making the pandemic and the climate crisis worse. he's also making this challenge to our democracy worse by spreading false information by trying to undermine the confidence in mail-in voting, which is never favored either party. it may this year, because so many older people are more vulnerable to the pandemic and are just shocked and outraged at the horrible mishandling of the pandemic by the president. but he's trying to sow a lack of confidence in the outcome. when i hear him say with mock horror that we might not even know the election results on election night, i remember another feature of the 2000 election, it lasted 36 days before the supreme court decision. and with all these mail-in ballots, it's going to take some time to count them. and as you know, the one of the possible outcomes is that those

who vote in person on the day of the election may feel one way, when they count this flood of mail-in ballots, it will reverse, at least that's what some of the an lifts are telling us to watch out for. we have to be ready for the president to double down on his attacks on the integrity of american democracy. and we all need to be prepared to defend it. and i hope that republicans will step up to defend our democracy as well. >> if the signatures wind up being the hanging chad of this election, do you really still have the concerns that this president may not accept the results? >> well, it's not up to him to accept it or not accept it, the constitution governs. and he can put up a big fight and say all kinds of crazy things as he regularly does.

but he's not the decider on this. the constitution is. >> but, are you concerned about what might happen? >> well, i do believe that the institutions of our democracy have enough stability and longevity and support among the american people in both parties and independents that it will weather whatever challenge he throws at it, i don't want to be pol pollyannaish about it, we'll get through this. let me say to everyone out there, make a plan to vote, vote early, vote at the earliest possible opportunity. and make sure you're registered. take somebody else to the polls with you, because one sure fire way to avoid whatever mess the president wants to make of it is to have a big margin of victory in rejecting the kind of

craziness that he's brought to the oval office. this is not normal, chris, you know that. i think most people know that. it's nuts what he's doing. and the very fact that he has been able to get as many people -- a distinct minority, for sure, but the fact that he's been able to get as many as he has to follow him, if he says jump off a cliff, they jump off a cliff, that's troubling. the overwhelming majority of americans are not in that camp, i hope that will be evident when the votes are counted. >> he has people on his side of the line on his side, the republican leadership, the rank and file, they're all behind him. they don't correct him, they don't check him. lindsey graham says he wants to see his opponent's tax records, but he doesn't think trump had to show his. what do you think biden's best defense is to the main knock against him by trump supporters and trump himself.

which is this guy, proof of the problem. trump is fighting the problem. gore ran against him in '88. this guy has been around forever. he is the problems with our culture. he was there for all of it, all the institutional problems, the problems with the elections, the problems with the cdc, all of it is biden's fault, because he's been there all these years. i'm the change agent. >> well, joe and i both ran in that '88 rice, that much of it is right. we've been close friends for many years. and i know him to be a man of absolute integrity, as everyone will tell you, the nicest guy in the world, super confident. and all of that adds up to the kind of experience that will come in handy in trying to straighten out the huge mess that trump has made here. i think he is running at the

right time. he inspires confidence, there's some people in the democratic party who think he's too willing to get alongwithepublicans. i think that's a good thing, particularly right now. he won't leave his principles. joe biden represents the kind of spirit in america we need right now. >> former vp al gore, a whole list of accolades come your way. thank you for exercising your common sense about the election tonight. god bless, be well. you and the family. as we're discussing there at the end. the president's other powerful tool in my opinion in this election is to convince you that the election he hopes to win will be rigged. >> the biggest threat to this election is these unsolicited balancing otts sent out by the

millions, controlled by governors like in nevada. >> now, i broke down for you already how this is not true. the numbers aren't right, the process isn't right, the reality isn't right. is it effective? the nevada governor is here, the man the president just mentioned to tell us what impact trump's be afraid campaign is having. next. feel the cool rush of claritin cool mint chewables. powerful 24-hour, non-drowsy, allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation for your throat. live claritin clear. for one week only, save up to $34 on select claritin products. check this sunday's newspaper for details. here's to the duers. to all the people who realize they can du more with less asthma thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment

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what is it? all right, the president is spewing more bs about the election. this time, taking direct aim at nevada and it's governor, listen. >> the biggest threat to this election is these unsolicited ballots, sent out by the millions, controlled by

governors like in nevada, who is a political person, very political. but far beyond being governor. in the case of nevada, they don't even want verification of the signature, it's a disgrace. >> now, look, this much we know. one, the governor doesn't run the election in any state, let alone nevada, the secretary of state does. in every state. and the secretary of state in nevada is a republican, okay? and yes you do have to verify signatures. it's very interesting. they do have signature verification in a way that you do not get verified when you go in person for what it's worth. who checks those. the same republican secretary of state will be checking and said they will be checking. since the president is calling him out, we have nevada governor here with us.

thanks for being here. respect you having a mask. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> we have learned something in this election. facts have a hard time against feelings. and the president is doing a good job, as you probably know in your state, which has a pretty good partisan mix, that people are getting scared about what he's saying about ballots, what do you want them to know. >> his information is dangerous. he can tell the lies over and over again, they don't change the fact that they're lies. he's working to undermine the integrity of our election, which is extremely offensive. nevada runs the best elections in the country. we have a republican secretary of state that i have total confidence in, this election will run smoothly. i do not handle the ballots, count the ballots, send out the ballots, print the ballots. it's not my per view, it's the republican secretary of state. i have total faith she will run

a fair and transparent election. >> here's the problem. hanging chads one election, now it's going to be signatures, 6700 ballots weren't counted in nevada's june primary over signatures not matching. >> the signatures didn't match, they shouldn't count. you have a president -- first off, he can't pronounce the name of the state. we run efficient elections here. he can keep spreading lies, he's working to undermine the integrity of this election. it's not good for our people, but then again, he doesn't care about the citizens of this state. he didn't care when he had his rally, he doesn't care when he's saying this information that are just lies to undermine the integrity of the election. >> not only do the polls show something's working for him. first term with a pandemic on your watch, a national outcry.

an economy that's gone down south except for the stock market, you think he'd be 15 points behind where he is. in terms of his phonics pronouncing nevada as nevada. this is a guy who said yo-semite park, who said herd mentality instead of herd immunity. >> i don't think anything is going to get in his way. he has a group of supporters, when he said early on he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and no one would accuse him of a crime, he meant that. and he has a certain group of followers that will follow him right off a cliff if that's where he tells them to go. i am confident that the citizens in our country are going to see what's right and what's wrong. it doesn't matter how many times you tell it. george washington said, you never tell a lie, president

trump is just always telling a lie. >> ultimately. what is your biggest concern about -- you're going to have a lot of ballots, they're expecting 80 million ballots of this form are going to be put out. most of the states are allowing it for covid purposes, not all. you do have states that put them out like yours in a perfunctory manner. what's your biggest concern? >> my biggest concern is that someone tries to intimidate voters that can't exercise their right to vote. you should not have to choose between your health and exercising your right to vote when it comes to this election. no one should have to make that choice. we had an all mail in ballot in the primary in june, it went absolutely fine. this one's going to go fine. my concern is that he keeps putting this misinformation out there, and that's dangerous. it's absolutely dangerous that he does that. and to attempt to undermind

something as sacred as our election system is really problematic. >> are you worried about what it means for you at home, by him attacking you? >> to a certain extent. you get on a conference call, where the vice president and the task force says one thing and does another. i'm worried people continue to listen to what he says when he's just not speaking the truth. >> governor -- >> he puts lives at risk, that's the biggest issue. people will diaz a result of some of his behavior. >> god forbid, but that's the concern, why is it taking us so long in this country to get where so many others have. >> thank you for weighing in tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, and happy birthday to your mom. >> thank you very much, best news i've had in a long time. yes, testing has always been the key, we've said it here, you've heard it plenty of times. how? you've heard that here also, right? not only do we not test enough,

we don't test the right way in the right places, that's part of why i won't let this kids in school thing go. they should be in school. but how? you said you don't have the testing. that shouldn't be the case. we should have found a better way, and there is a better way. see, they keep telling you and me, we have to wait until we get more tests. what kind of tests, how are they being processed. where are you getting them, who's helping you. we have them, and you have to push for them. i'm going to give them to you out of the mouth of the main experts next. ive to see more? at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience

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federal guidance. you heard from the governors, you hear from the experts. we have a hodgepodge of approaches around the country. what is stopping schools from reopening completely? why did they shut down so quickly? because we don't know how to do the testing the right way. we don't know how to contact trace. we don't have a good uniform plan. we don't even have enough tests for kids. the turnaround time for results is too slow. and here's the big point, why i'm doing this tonight. i don't think we're using the right tests. yep, the tests used most widely are too sensitive. what does that mine, too accurate, too good? no, they're so called pcr tests, fancy acronym, polymerized chain reaction. the method you use to extract dna to see what you're dealing with. that's what they're doing here. that's what the real test is

they're seeing here. they look foretraces for the virus in genetic samples in a series of cycles. i say that slowly because it's the key. so basically, how does it work? if you have a lot of virus in your system, it's going toe find it on fewer cycles, because there's more of them. but when they put a higher threshold cycle that means they're looking longer and deeper into your system, which means what? they can catch other things, other than live virus. what else would they -- dead virus. different kinds of derivative material. so the lower the threshold, the more virus you have in your system, the more contagious you're likely to be. so what's our problem. the tests we use now don't tell us what the viral load is, it's

a yes or no. on whether you have it, because the cycle threshold is never included in the results sent to doctors and covid patients, it's usually very high like 40 cycles. now, 40 cycles you're positive, it doesn't tell you you're positive for what, live virus or dead virus. if you have dead virus, are you really infectious? if you have live virus are you really infectious? maybe. that matters. a review last month showed in three sets of testing data compiled by officials in massachusetts, new york and nevada, 90% of people testing positive carried barely any virus. is the takeaway forget testing? no. you must test the right way. and test smart. the times reports, if the rate of contagiousness in massachusetts and new york were to apply nationwide then perhaps

only 4500 of the roughly 46,000 covid positive people may actually need to isolate and submit to contact tracing. you see, the test is too sensitive. think about what that means for schools. how many of you have heard the following scenario? yeah, they went back in, someone popped the case, now the whole class/whole school/whole grade is home. why? because we don't have enough tests, we are not using the right kinds of tests and we don't know how to contact trace. we need to be smarter. we need to have rapid tests, but the right kinds of tests. how much of the virus is in their system, live virus? getting it right on the cycle thresholds and knowing just how many patients are actually infectious, that's the key. that's how you stop the slowdowns in the system. that's how we get back to

school. it's just common sense. forget about the acronyms and the cycles, you isolate those who are more contagious faster, period. why aren't we doing it? cut down on traitsing people who aren't putting others at risk, use the resources more wisely, a single covid cases at a school shuts down the whole thing. the fear of a single case has you and me becoming teachers in addition to our real job, trying to keep kids on a schedule staring at a screen for five hours a day. entire schools and universities less likely to close down if they knew the level of risk. i'm frustrated, man. i shouldn't have to be the one figuring this out for you. you shun the have to be the one figuring it out -- you are thinking, why aren't we doing that? i'm saying the same thing. why not bring in someone who knows the risks well, who has been making this argument and knows why we are not doing it the right way, especially for

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so called pcr tests are the most widely used covid tests that we have right now. as i just argued, i think they're too slow and they're too sensitive, nine months into this, the federal government still doesn't have them up to scale. there is a better way, there is a faster way, there is a doable way that we've seen in other countries, even in their schools with very different results. i want to bring in a top epidemiologist, from harvard school public health, dr. michael mina. thank you for joining us. >> thanks a lot, happy to be here.

>> did i get the printer right, i described the tests correctly, how it absorbs dna and the high range of cycles may be overshooting our needs? >> i think in general. i want it to be clear, it's not necessarily showing false positives, what it's often showing, is those people with the very high numbers might have been infectious, but probably were last week or two or three weeks ago, they were infectious at the right time. >> the positive means something, you have the viral material. but the way that we're measuring it and the number of cycles, which is another way of saying sensitivity, how deeply you look into somebody. you wind up capturing a lot of people as positive who are not necessarily contagious, right? >> that's correct. a lot of the positives that we find are likely people that maybe were contagious last week or a few weeks ago, but no longer are, these tests can pick

up the remnants of the previous infection. >> that has huge implications. because it would change the face of our schooling, would it not? right now we have one kid test positive, and the whole school shuts down. the whole class shuts down, no need for that. >> well, if the child -- i agree to an extent. if the child is positive, there may be more children, there may be other people infected a week ago. sensitivity is good, we have to be really careful about how we're using these very sensitive tests. who is the right person to quarantine at the right time, if we want to be defeating this virus. >> yes, what's the better way to do than we are doing it right now? >> i think we can either keep going with pcr, if we do that, pcr is a great test, we can use the ct values and incorporate the actual viral load data with all of its caveats into the

public health programs, but there's a different way as well. i think that a different approach is to have the country produce large numbers of rapid tests when we get results immediately. they can be produced and deployed with much greater numbers and much greater efficiency for public health use. >> i was reading into what your thoughts were about this situation, covid-dom, i'm going to go hard, the administration has to make good on their promise, these 150 rapid tests they were going to deploy to the states. not so fast, all rapid tests are not the same. you're not a fan that the administration was going to start buying with these 150 million that they waived over our head, how so? >> i think -- the test itself is a great test. what needs to change, though, is those tests are going to be for

medical purposes. they have a medical diagnostic claim, they have to have somebody do the test, these tests are pretty simple to do. what i would like to see is for a much larger number of tests, say 10 million or 20 million of these be used every day by americans in their home. only when we do it in the home, that means people brush their teeth, they put in their contact lenses and use a test. if they're positive, they don't go out. that serves to stop transmission chains before they get started. you can server them in the process. every transmission you can stop, potentially stops hundreds of transmissions down the line. we can actually serve to suppress the virus overall if we get these out into the hotspots, for example. have large fractions of the population, doesn't need to be everyone. but i'll say half of the community where there's a large epidemic, can use these and it can serve in lou of vaccines to suppress the virus in an overall

community. >> why isn't it happening? >> well, i think for the volume of tests we might need to have these programs work, say 10e million a day, 20 million a day, the federal government needs to be manufacturing these tests, needs to take it upon themselves to start profusing them, not just buy 150 million of them over the next three months. start making 20 million of them a day. only the federal government i think has the capacity to really do that, and push them out into individual state departments of health and up to the counties to be distributed to the communities. >> what's your best bet on why this hasn't happened. you have been arguing this for a long time. i don't want the president to come after you, we have to speak truth to power now, we're so long into this, this is not a new idea. why do you think they haven't put their arms around it. >> i honestly, i don't know, i think it's a good idea, we need more data, we have to show that

people will behave appropriately. we don't want this to be a certificate that allows people to go party, we need people to keep using masks, keep social distancing, and also use these as another step. i can't say. i think that we should have -- we need to be treating this virus as though it's a war, we should be putting the type of resources into it that we would put into any war. that may be billions and billions or trillions of dollars, and this could be a fraction of that cost to get these up and running and i hope that they're listening now to hear that this is something they can do. they can own and could push out to the american people. i think people want tests that they can take at home, because right now there's just, most of america has not had a test, if you have a test, you don't get the results back for 7 days. it's been a disaster. >> it will get our kids back in school. other countries have done it this way. they've done it in their schools, better results than

we're seeing early on. dr. michael mina, thank you for putting it into context. i know i'm over simplifying. it's not simple, but it's doable. thank you, doctor. >> thanks a lot. i'm telling, we can get the kids back to school sooner than we are doing it this way. it's not just about whether they get sick, how are they doing when they're well. candidate trump's pitch to black america was vote for me, what do you have to lose? maybe this. >> well, i hope there's not a race problem, i can tem you, there's none with me. >> the pastor who challenged the president's maga mind-set last night isn't happy with the answers he's got. he's not happy with a lot of things. this is a much more new answered situation than he's good, he's bad. let's talk to the pastor next. n. ...a powerful 5g experience for america.

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make america great again. this is the president's call. but think about it in terms of

perspective. when have we been greater than we are today? when have we been more free? now that applies particularly to black people. one undecided voter challenged potus on this idea at a town hall last night. listen. >> you have coined the phrase make america great again. when has american been great for african-americans in the ghetto. how ten deaf that comes off to african-americans community? >> i can say this, we have tremendous african-american support. you have probably seen it in the poll. we're doing extremely well with african-american. and hispanic american. levels you have rarely seen republicans have. >> under your administration and bush and clinton and obama. the same things happen. and systems and cycles continue. we need to see because you say again, we need to see when was

that great. that pushes us back to a time in which we cannot identify with such greatness. you have said everything else about choking but yet to acknowledge a race problem in america. >> i hope there's not a race problem. there's none with me. i have great respect for all races for everybody. this country is great because of it. when you go back six months and look at what was happening you can't compare that with past administrations. >> that's pastor karl day. of philadelphia. to be honest i don't understand the president's answer. he's with us on "prime time." maybe he can explain. pastor, thank you for joining us. love what's behind you. you are the hulk of pastors. i have heard that. what did you make of the president's answer in terms of satisfaction? >> thank you for having me. well, i wasn't satisfied at all. the one thing that i will say is

he pretty much did what was expected. and he couldn't find an answer. because the honest truth is african-americans here in america the situations and circumstances have never been great. so, i expected him to dance around it. and he did exactly that and admitted about six months before covid-19 hit was when black americans had actual great experience here. 2016 to sit there and run with the tag line about making america great again he was revealing in his own answer it wasn't great until allegedly he made it great six months before covid-19. >> any idea of any time past as being an improved situation for people of color. is absurd on it face. we have a long way to go. we have to have eyes on the present and going forward. where does this leave you as undecided? you heard the president say i want your vote.

i don't think there's a race problem. i hope this isn't. can that man get your vote? >> no, he can't. any president that is failing to acknowledge the history of racial atrocity in the america. and the current climate where african-americans have to prove we matter. and rally and protest and march. and express through buildings burned down for voices to be heard. i would think it's absurd to say we don't have an issue of race. people have to go through radicalism to be heard and seen. it rings back to us being valued as three fifths of a person again. the president say that he doesn't think we have a problem with race. he won't acknowledge it. it's a disaster. especially the people of color in limbo. who live in american ghettos and areas are impoverished.

under served. it scares people. it sends a message. >> i hear you. i appreciate it. yet, your posture going into last night is what the president is banking on. if he can get blacks undecided. maybe not wanting to vote. he's in great shape. the truth of it is in his suggestion of how well he's doing with black voters. and latinos. in like the low teens. because what he needs is just enough of you to turn on biden. as an alternative. sp may win by attrition. especially we're all about demographics. we don't have buy in. if we vote 90% of the country we wouldn't have to slice. we look at the black community. black women. 45 and over are the key to the democratic wins in big national elections. he's hoping to peel that off and may mean the difference for him.

can he do it? >> i don't think he can do it. quite frankly i don't think -- what people say undecided. i speak for myself. i can speak for the community. when i talk about the ghetto specifically and the hood. my city. philadelphia. they acknowledge me as a pastor of the hood. i'm fighting for injustices of the oppressed people. the temperature is more so for me saying undecided. nobody is considering trump to be a viable candidate. when they have yet to hear from the other party -- people say it's no third party. in reality there's a third paertd. the third party may not count when it comes to the size and magnitude of the election. we get that. most people are still trying to see where is the plan that set in place for african-americans in these systemically set up

design areas and pockets that we're set up for us to fail. what is the plan to help remove us out of those conditions? as i stated to the president to be honest the sense has been throughout the past 40 years, not much has changed. >> i hear you. >> in regards to the major statistics. the president talks polls. one thing he never dropped was actual sources. with that, we're trying to hear the plan. it's like a will the of this can come off as pandering. this is what people in the community feels like. to a degree we have been pandered to and put in positions we have to make a choice. give us a plan. i believe that trump is not even an option for people where i'm from. at the same time when we say undecided we want people to work for the vote. lay something out. we don't want to hear about

protests. and defund the police. when do we get back to the sources and the root of the issues that raise symptoms in the community. >> i hear you. i understand the frustration. why vote if things don't change. just because somebody says something doesn't mean they'll do something. if they don't say anything, nothing will happen. thaur thank you very much. >> all right. september 16 today very special day in my life. the day that my mom was born. look at her there. she looks better today. i love you, mom. happy birthday. enjoy being 51. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. >> mrs. cuomo. >> she doesn't like you. >> happy birthday. it doesn't matter. i love her. >> she loves you. you know why? you're pretty. >> please. she's a smart lady. talk about