>> his game is going to bring people that are not necessarily a traditional audience for messages about refugees. it is going to bring them into the room. they're going to be learning this at a younger age and a game changer. >> i talk to game developers all the time. they want to create better experiences for people. 99.9% of the time those experiences are going on adventures but when you talk to him, he talks about finding food and water for refugees. he can use his unique vision to change the world. >> my hope is i want other refugees that we are not just here to survive but we are here to thrive.

>> remarkable dwronk myoung mano glad he's here in the united states contributing. be sure to watch "champions for change" here on cnn at 10:00 p.m. tomorrow night i will be moderating with former vice president joe biden beginning at 8:00 p.m. chris cuomo is joining us now. >> time with you is always time well-spent. >> you and your pretty words. thank you very much my brother, have a good night. i am chris cuomo, welcome to "primetime". here is the reality. the head of the cdc says the covid-19 vaccine will not be ready for most of us for about a year. your best bet to be saved right now is to wear a mask. this is not a new reckoning. everyone involved with the making of the vaccine are on the task force agreed with the

proposition and told us today and yet the president attacked the head of the cdc for saying so. he must have heard the question wrong and forced an odd clarification from the cdc. why? the cdc's head, dr. redfield said what trump does not want you to hear. and like science, when he says he does not know what he's talking about. trump is getting many of you as he can to get you to believe him. the vaccine is on the way, making covid-19 go away. masks? bad.

trump thinks the economy was or is his key to victory. he says it. he largely ignores masks even though he knows doing so is putting people at risk and arguably caused much pain in this pandemic because that's the real of where we are and who he is. so tonight let's go at the reality in three ways. al gore is here, is trump opposing science working? polls sure are tight. the governor trump took on tonight for trying to save lives in the state is here. and, my and many of your biggest frustrations, our kids not being in school. this government has us believing there is no better way than what's happening right now. they are wrong and i can prove it. mama, happy birthday. let's get after it.

the founder of the climate reality project joins us now, former 2000s democratic nominee experienced the election himself, former vice president al gore. >> thank you, let me add, happy birthday to your mom. >> i will get through this. this will disappear, those fires out west, bad blue states. forget about this science climate, it is getting cold. sounds silly but has been effective with his base. do you think he can win on that message, why or why not? >> well, he should not win on that message, chris, because it is dead wrong and almost 200,000 americans are dead from this coronavirus and most of them died unnecessarily.

the impact of the climate crisis are so much worse. he's trying to gaslight the virus and gaslight the climate system. it is really our only hope to get the best information and protect ourselves and scivil civilizati civilization. look at what's going on with the three biggest fires in california right now. it has not been that long eight or nine months ago of the same thing happening in australia, an area ten times larger than the areas being burned in american west, being burned in siberia where the news cameras can't get

there to show it to us. this climate crisis is entering a new phase. we need leadership. we have the solutions available to us if we can get the politics and misguided messaging from the president. the polls suggest a different reality. he's around 40% first term. but, even with the pandemic, even with national out cry for equality that he opposes largely and even in an economy that's taken a huge hit because of the pandemic, he's doing very well in this race. it is very tight, how do you explain it? >> well, i am not the best political analyst in the world, chris, but i read the numbers a little bit differently. as i look at them and it seems to me that joe biden has a

durable lead or has held up for many mopts now through both parties conventions. we have not seen the president's popularity numbers rise above where they should be for him to be reelected since he's been in this term. people like joe biden, they know him and like him. at least that's the way i read this situation. there is the saying by the fruit juice you will know them. well, we got the worse economic downturn since the great depression, almost 200,000 americans are dead. we are seeing the president in his approach to the climate crisis and the pandemic not only helping to deal with them, he's making both of them worse, spreading the coronavirus and

these maskless rallies with big crowds in doors and promoting the burning of more fossil fuel. the burning of fossil fuel is a precondition of a higher death rate from covid-19. we know that from multiple studies in the u.s., china, and europe -- we see it all over the world. so, we really need leadership and instead we are getting gaslighted. >> the pandemic fires, the fight for equality, there are a lot of con affiliation especially if you look at the same communities being affected and all three. communities are more sick and more likely to have problems with the police and more likely to be where the wildfires are. no coincidence. it is much about class and economics and opportunities as it is about science.

>> both the pandemic and the climate crisis reveals the preexisting in equities and injustices that have been tolerated for way too long and i will count myself among the many who i felt like i understood what we needed to do to fight against this discrimination and inequality and structural racism. my eyes have been opened by this and i know so many others. that's why we have had this awakening in the country. people are not going to tolerate this anymore. you do know this. i am quite sure that the death rate for black americans is more than two times higher than the pandemic than white americans. the highest infection rates are in the navajo nations and hispanic nations are affected more than others. this is unequal in its impact.

that's another reason why we need the kind of steady and stable same leadership from the white house. >> i saw a scary meme. a young black guy in scrubs and he says "horror with a hoodie" and "heroes with a knife." in every day life walking in the streets -- another reason i want you on is that you are a rare bird mr. vice president, why? you were vice president and democratic nominee 2000s and ran against biden in '88. you know the job of vice president and you know the job of what it takes to be president and you had an election where you won the popular vote but did not win the overall and you had a lot of election drama within

your own election. perspective, what do you want people to know about why the gravity of the election matters and how it is conducted, matters. >> we have a lot of challenges in our democracy right now and the president is making the pandemic and the climate crisis worse. he's also making this challenge to our democracy worse by spreading false information and by trying to undermine the confidence and mail-in voting which is never favored either party and may this year because so many older people are vulnerable to the pandemic and are just shocked and outraged of the horrible mishandling of the pandemic by the president. he's trying to show a lack of confidence in the outcome. when i hear him say that we may not even know the election results on election night, i

remember another feature of the 2000s election that it lasted 36 days before the supreme court decision. with all the mail-in ballots, it is going to take some time to count them. one of the possible outcomes is that those who vote in-person on the day of the election make it one way when they count this flood of mail-in ballots, it will reverse. at least that's what some of the analysts are telling us to watch out for. we have to be the president to double down on his attacks on the integrity of american democracy and we all need to be prepared to defend it. i hope our republicans will step up to defend our democracy as well. >> do you still have the concerns that this president may not accept the results?

>> well, it is not up to him to accept it or not. the constitution governs. he can put up a big fight. he's not the decider on this. the constitution is. >> are you concerned of what may happen? >> well, the institutions of our democracy have enough stability and longevity and support among the american people in both parties and independence that'll weather whatever challenge he throws out. i feel pretty confident that we'll get through this. let me say to everyone out there, make a plan to vote. vote early. vote at the earliest possible opportunity and make sure you're

registered and take somebody else to the polls with you. one sure fire way to avoid whatever mess the president wants to make out of it is have a big margin of victory in rejecting the kind of craziness that he's brought to the oval office. this is not normal, chris, you know that, it is nuts what he's doing. the fact that he's been able to get many people of the state's minority for sure. the fact that he's been able to get as many as he has, follow him, if he says jump off the cl cliff, they jump off the cliff. that's troubling. >> he's got people on his side of the line on his side. the republican leadership, the ranking file and they're all behind him. they don't correct him or check him. you got lindsey graham and his

race saying he wants to see his opponent's tax records, he does not think trump has to show his. what do you think biden's best defense? this guy is proof of the problem. trump is fighting the problem. gore runs against him in '88. he's the problem with our culture. he was there for all of it. all with the elections and the cdc, all of it is biden's fall because he's been there all these years. i am the changed ageneral. changed agent. >> i know joe biden to be a man of absolute integrity. he's the nicest guy in the

world. all of that adds up to the kind of experience that'll come in handy and straighten out the huge mess that trump has made here. i think he's the right person for this job at the right time and i think he inspires confidence. there is some people who thinks he's willing to get along with republicans. that's a good thing right now. to promote a bipartisan approach is yet another approach that we need and joe biden represents that kind of spirit in american democracy. >> former vp, al gore, thank you for making your case about science and your comments about the election tonight. >> appreciate it. >> god bless. >> you, too.

the president's other powerful tool in this election is to convince you that the election he hopes to win will be rigged. >> the biggest threat is this election is unsolicited ballots sent out by the millions, controlled by governors like nevada. >> i broke down for you how this is not true, the process is not right and the reality is not right. but is it effective? the nevada governor is here. the man the president just mentioned to tell us what impact trump's be afraid campaign is having. next. non-drowsy "one-on-one" brought to you by clai claritin. live claritin clear. by the struts

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>> this much we know. one, the governor does not run the election in any state let alone nevada. the secretary of state does. the secretary of state in nevada is a republican, okay? and yes, you do have to verify signatures. but, it is very interesting, they do have signature variatiosignature va n signature variation -- verifications. since the president is calling him out. we have the nevada governor to respond. thank you for being with us. i respect you have the mask. >> thank you for having me, chris, i appreciate the opportunity. >> we have learned something in this election, governor. facts have a hard time against feelings. the president is doing a good

job and as you know in your state which has a good partisan mix that people are getting scared about what he's saying about these ballots. what do you want them to know? >> well, first off, his misinformation is dangerous. he can tell lies over and over again. they don't change the fact it is lies. he's working to undermine the integrity of our election. nevada runs the best elections in our country. this election will be run smoothly. i do not handle the ballots or count the ballots or print it out. it is not in my purview. it is the republican secretary of state. i have total confidence that she will run a fair and transparent election. now it is going to be furniture and ballots are not counted over

signatures not matching, sounds like a problem. >> well, if the signatures did not match, they should not come. you got a president, first off can't pronounce the name of the state correctly. he's working to undermine the integrity of this election. then he does not care about the citizens of the state. he does not care when he had his rallies. he only cares about himself. a national out cry for equality and an economy that's gone down south except for the stock market you would think he would be 15 points behind and in terms

of his phonetics -- you think phonics is going to get in his way? >> no, i don't think anything is going to have in his way. he has a group of supporters, when he says he can shoot somebody on fifth avenue and nobody would accused him of a crime, he meant that. he has a certain group of followers as the president says run off a cliff, that's where they'll go. i am confident that the citizens of our country will see what's right or wrong. you can't make a lie a truth. george washington always says never tell a lie and always tell the truth. president trump always tells a lie. >> ultimately, what's your biggest concern?

most of the states are allowing it for covid-19 purposes and not all. you do have states that put it out and you have run elections that way as you point it out. what's the biggest concern? >> my biggest concern someone tries to intimidate voters. no one should have to make that choice. we had an all-mail ballot in the primary in june, it went fine. my concern is he keeps putting this misinformation out there. it is dangerous he does that and his attempt to undermine something ass sacred as our election system is a big problem. >> are you worried that he's attacking you? >> he's attacked me before.

that's what i had to reach out with the vice president. i am worried that people continue to listen to what he says when he's just not speaking the truth. and putting lives at risk. people will die as a result of some of his behaviors. >> that's the concern. why is it taking us so long to get where so many have. governor, thank you so much for weighing in tonight. >> thanks for having me and happy birthday to your mom. >> thank you very much. best news i have had in a long time. be well. >> testing is the key. we have said it here and how? we don't test the right way in the right places. that's why i won't let this kids in school thing go. they should be in school ho. how? you said you don't have the

testing. that should not be a case. we should have found a better way. they keep on telling you and me we got to wait. well, what kind of test? how are they being processed? where are you getting it? and who's helping you? the answers start to fall away. we have them. you have to push for them. i am going to give them to you out of the mouth of the main expert, next. they say carnivorous devourus inhabits these waters. if he's here, this devour white cheddar mac and cheese with bacon will lure him out. ahhhhhhh eat like an animal. devour.

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trump has said many times, schools should be opened. everybody thinks that. the question is how. we have not gotten that right because of lack of guidance. what is stopping schools from reopening completely? why did they shutdown so

quickly? we don't know how to do the testing the right way. we don't know how to kcontact trace and we don't have enough tests for kids. the turn around time for results is too slow. here is why i am doing this tonight. i don't think we are using the right test. the tests used most widely are too sensitive. what does it mean? too accurate or good? no. they are so-called pcr test. fancy acronym scientist. it is about the method you use to extract dna to see what you are dealing with. that's what the real test is. they're looking at the traces of the virus in genetic samples in a series of cycle. i say it slowly because it is

the key. if you have a lot of virus in your system, it is going to find it on fewer cycles because there is more often. but, when they put a higher threshold cycle, that means they're looking longer and deeper into your system which means what? they can catch other things, other than live virus or what else? different derivative materials. the lower the threshold, the more virus you have in your system, the more contagious your likely to be, okay? so what's our problem? the test we use now don't tell us what the viral load is. it is a yes or no on whether you have it. because the cycle threshold is never included in the results sent to doctors and covid patients it is very high like 40

cycles, okay? now, 40 cycles, you're positive does not tell you positive for what? live or dead virus? if you have dead virus, are you really infectious? no. if you have live dead virus, are you infectious? no. 90% of people testing positive carried barely any virus. it is the take away feorget testing? no. you must test the right way and test smart. the "times" reports, if the rates of dangerousness in massachusetts and new york were to apply nationwide, then perhaps only 4,500 of people may

actually need to isolate it. now the whole school/whole grade is home. why? because we don't have enough tests and we are not using the right test and we don't know how to contact trace. we need to be smarter. we need to know how contagious people are when they tested positive. how much of the virus is in their system? live virus. getting it right on those cycle thresholds and knowing how many patients are infectious, that's the key. that's how you stop the slow downs in the system. that's how we get back to school. it is common sense, forget about the acronyms and all these things and the cycles. you isolate those that are more contagious faster. why are we not doing it? cut down on tracing people who

are not putting others at risk. use resources wisely. a single covid case at schools and shutdown the whole thing? the fear of single cases had you and me becoming teing teachers trying to keep kids on a schedule staring on a screen for five hours a day. i am frustrated man, i should not have to be the one figuring this out for you. hear what i just said and -- why are we not doing that? i am saying the same thing. let's bring in someone who knows the risk well and knows why we are not doing it the right way especially for schools. a brilliant medical mind. dr. mina. next. we are the thrivers.

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covid test we have right now. i think they are too slow and sensitive. nine months into this, the federal government does not have them up to scale. there is a better way, there is a faster way. there is a doable way that we have seen in other countries and even in their schools with different results. i want to bring in our top epidemiologist, dr. michael mina. thank you for unionijoining us. >> happy to be here. did i explain the different components of the tests and how it absorbs dna and how the high number of cycles may be over shooting our needs? >> i think in general, i wanted to be clear that it is not showing false positives. what it is showing is those people with high numbers may have been infectious but probably were last week or two or three weeks ago.

they were not infectious at one point. the positives mean something. >> you have the viral material. the way we are measuring it and the number of cycle, another way of sensitivity, how deeply you look into somebody. >> a lot of positives are likely contagious but no longer are. these tests can pick up. >> that has huge impliatiocatio because it would change our schooling. we have one kid tested positive, the whole school or class shuts down. no need for that. >> i agree to an extent, if the child is positive, it is likely there may be more children infected other people a week

ago. sensitivity is good, how is the right person to quarantine at the right time if we want to defeat the virus. what's the better way to do it than we are doing it right now? >> we can either keep going with pcr and if we do that which pcr is a great test, we can use the ct and incorporate the viral load data with all of its caveats into the public health program. there are different ways as well. a different approach is have the country produce large numbers of these rapid tests and test works the best when we get results immediately. >> when i was reading what your

thoughts are about this situation, i was thinking great, i am going to go hard that the administration has to make good on their promise of 150 million rapid tests that they'll deploy for the states. you are saying not so fast. you are not a particular fan of the rapid test the administration was going to buy or started buying with these 150 million they waved over our heads, how so? >> so the test itself is a great test. what i think needs to change though is those tests are going to be for medical purposes. they have a medical diagnostic claims. they have to have somebody to do the test. these are simple to do. what i would like to see is a much larger number of tests say 10 million or 12 million of these used by americans in their home. only when we do in our home, people use the test and if they

are positive, they don't go out. that stops the transmission change before started. every transmission you can stop and potentially stops hundreds of transmissions down the line. we can serve to suppress the virus overall if we get it out to the hot spots and have large fractions of the population. >> so why has it happen? >> i think for the volume of test that we may need to have these programs work. the federal government needs to be manufacturing these tests and take it upon themselves to start producing them and not just by 150 million of them over the next three months but start making 20 million of them a day. and only the federal government i think has the capacity to

really do that and push them out into individual state departments of health and out to the counties to be distributed out. >> what's your bet why this has not happened? you have been arguing this for a long time. i don't want to pitch you against the administration but we got to speak truth to power now. we are so long into this and this is not a new idea. why do you think they have not put their arms around it. >> i don't know. i think it is a good idea. we need more data. we have to show people will behave appropriately. we don't want this to be a certificate that allows people to go party. we need people to keep using masks and social distancing and use it as a another step. i can't say and we need to be treating this virus as though it is a war and we should be putting the types of resources that we would put in any war. that may be billions or trillions of dollars and this could be a fraction of that cost

to get it up and running. i hope they are listening now and this is something they can do and own, and could push out to the american people. i think people want tests that they can take at home because right now it is just most americans still have not tested. if you have a test, you don't get a result back within seven days. it has been a disaster. >> get our kids back in school. other countries have done it this way and they have done it in schools and they have better results. dr. michael mina, thank you very much. i know i am over simplifying and thank you for clarifying it. it is not simple but it is doable. >> thank you, doc. >> thanks a lot. >> we can get the kids back to school sooner than we are doing it this way. that's important to us as anything. to be honest, they're who we want to protect. how are they doing when they are well?

candidate trump pitched to black america was vote for me, what do you have to lose? maybe this? >> well, i hope there is not a risk problem. i can tell you this. there is none with me. >> the pastor who challenged the president maga mindset last night. this is a much nuance situation where he's good or bad. let's talk to the pastor, next. into a smaller life?

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this is the president's clarion call, right? but think about it, in terms of perspective. when have we been greater than we are today? when have we been more free? now, that applies, particularly, to black people. one undecided voter challenged potus on this idea at a town hall, last night. listen. >> you've coined the phrase make america great again. when has america been great for african-americans in the ghetto

of america? are you aware of how tone deaf that comes off to african-american community? >> well, i can say this. we have tremendous african-american support. you've probably seen it, in the polls, we're doing extremely well with african-american, hispanic-american, at levels that you've rarely seen a republican have. >> quite frankly, under your administration, under the obama's administration, under the bush, under the clinton, the very same things happened and the very same systems and cycles continue to ensue. and we need to see, because you say again, we need to see when was that great? because that pushes us back to a time, in which we cannot identify with such greatness. and you've said everything about choking and everything else but you have yet to acknowledge there's a race problem in america. >> so if you go -- well, i hope there's not a race problem. i can tell you, there's none with me because i have great respect for all races. for everybody. this country is great because of it. but when you go back six months, and you take a look at what was happening, you can't even

compare that with past administrations. >> that's pastor carl day, of philadelphia. to be honest, i don't really understand the president's answer but he's with us on prime time. maybe, he can help us explain. pastor, thank you for joining us. love what's behind you. you are the hulk of pastors. i've heard that many times. it's good to have you here. what did you make of the president's answer, in terms of satisfaction? >> thank you for having me, chris. well, i wasn't satisfied, at all. but the one thing that i will say is that he pretty much did what was expected. and he couldn't find an answer because, quite frankly, the honest truth is african-americans here, in america, the situations and our circumstances have never been great. so i expected him to, pretty much, dance around it and he did exactly that. and even admitted that pretty much, about six months before covid hit was when black americans, african-americans,

had that actual experience here. so 2016, to sit there and run with that tag line, he was revealing, in his own answer, it wasn't great until allegedly he made it great six months before the covid. >> certainly, any idea of any time past as being an improved situation for people of color is absurd, on its face. we have a long way to go. we have to have our eyes in the present and going forward. so where does this leave you, as an undecided voter? you just heard the president say to you, i want your vote. i don't think there's a race problem. i really hope there isn't. >> any president that to acknowledge the history of racial atrocities. especially, in this current climate, where african-americans have to prove we matter. we have to rally, we have to

protest, we have to march. buildings maybe have to get burned down just for people's voices to be heard. i would definitely think it's pretty absurd to say we don't have an issue of race. people have to go through such radicalism, just to be heard and seen in america. so it kind of rings back to us almost being -- as a person again. so so he won't acknowledge one. i think it's disastrous. especially, to people of color who are in limbo who live in america -- american ghettos where those areas are very impoverished, underserved. it scares people. >> okay. i hear you. and i appreciate it. and yet, your posture, going into last night, is kind of what the president's banking on. if he can get blacks undecided, maybe not wanting to vote, he's in great shape because, you know, the truth of it is in his suggestion to you about how well

he is doing with black voters and brown voters, latino voters. yeah, in like the low teens. because what he needs is just enough of you to turn on biden, as an alternative. and he may win by attrition, especially as we know, we're all about demographics, these days, with voting. if we voted at 80 to 90% of our country, we wouldn't have to slice into these demographic levels. right now, you look at black women, 45 and over, are the key to democratic wins in big national elections. he is hoping to peel a bit of that off. it may mean the difference for him. you think he can do it? >> i don't think he can do it. and quite frankly, i don't really think -- i think when people say that they're undecided. all i speak for is myself right now but i can speak for my communities because i'm heavily entrenched when i talk about the ghettos specifically, my city, philadelphia, they acknowledge me as a pastor of the hood because i'm legitimately always

fighting for the injustices of the oppressed people. with that being said, the temperature more so is nobody's considering trump to be a candidate. but what they have yet to hear from the other parties and it's no third party but in reality, there's a third party. but the third party may not really count statistically when it comes to the size and magnitude of the election. we get that. but again, most people are still trying to see where is the plan that's set in place for african-americans, in these strategically, systemically, set up, designed areas and pockets in which we live in that were set up for us to fail. what is the plan to help remove us out of those conditions? because, as i stated to the president, to be quite honest, the sense has been, throughout the past 40, 50 years, chris, not much has changed. >> yeah, i hear you. >> in regards to those major, major statistics. the president talks polls and stuff. but one thing he never dropped

on us was actual sources that we can actually cite. you know, but with that, we're trying to hear the plan. you know? and it's like a lot of this can come off as pandering and this is what a lot of people in our community feels like. you know, to a degree, we've been pandered, too. we feel like we have been put in positions where we just have to make a choice. and it's like give us a plan. you know what i'm saying? so, like, i believe that trump is not even an option for people that come from where i come from. but at the same time, when we say undecided, we want people to actually work for this vote. lay something out. we don't want to continue to hear about protests. the trending topics of fund/defund the police. but when do we get back to the sources and root of these issues that have raised these symptoms in our community? >> i hear you. and i understand the frustration. why vote, if things don't change? and, look, just because somebody says something, doesn't mean they're going to do something. but if they don't say anything, nothing's ever going to happen. but, pastor, thank you