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inland. good to have you with us. the u.s. president is once again in a public dispute with america's top health experts over the coronavirus pandemic. this time the issue was over masks and vaccines. after the head of the centers for disease control and prevention testified to congress on wednesday, president trump immediately accused him of being confused and mistaken. here's what dr. robert redfield told lawmakers about the time line for a vaccine. >> i think there will be vaccine that will initially be available sometime between november and december but very limited supply and will have to be prioritized. if you're asking me when will it

be generally available to the american public so we can begin to take advantage of the vaccine to get back to our regular life, i think we're looking at late second quarter, third quarter 2021. >> well, that was not what the president wanted to hear. >> i think he made a mistake when he said that. it's just incorrect information. and i called him, and he didn't tell me that and i think he got the message maybe confused. i saw the statement, i called him, i said, what did you mean by that? and i think he just made a mistake. >> you said that you told him that he had made a mistake. what was his response? >> no, i didn't tell him anything. what happened? i got the impression he didn't realize he said what he might have said. i didn't see him say it. >> the cdc later backed up the president saying in today's hearing dr. redfield was answering a question he thought

was in regard to the time period in which all-americans would have completed their covid vaccination and his estimate was by the second or third quarter of 2021. he was not referring to the time period when covid-19 vaccine doses would be made available to all-americans. well, then there was the cdc director's endorsement of facemasks. take a listen. >> we have clear scientific evidence they work and they are our best defense. i might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take the covid vaccine. >> and, again, president trump was having none of it. >> i called him about that, those were the two things i discussed with him. and i believe that if you ask him, he would probably say that

he didn't understand the question and because i said to him. i asked him those two questions. the one question which we covered and the mask question. when i called up robert today, i said to him, what's with the mask? he said, i think i answered that question incorrectly. i think maybe he misunderstood it. >> and afterwards dr. redfield issued this statement, i 100% believe in the importance of vaccines and the importance in particular of a covid-19 vaccine. a covid-19 vaccine is the thing that will get americans back to normal, everyday life. the best defense we currently have against this virus are the important mitigation efforts of wearing a mask, washing your hands, social distancing and being careful about crowds. meantime, the president's democratic rival is expressing concerns at the approval process of a potential vaccine could be politicized, and while outlining his own vaccine distribution

plan biden says he will follow the science and that the process cannot be rushed. >> we can't allow politics to interfere with the vaccine in any way. americans have had to endure president trump's incompetence and dishonesty when it comes to testing and personal protective equipment. we can't afford to repeat those fiascos. when it comes to a vaccine, when it occurs. the stakes are too high. american families have already suffered and sacrificed too much so let me be clear, i trust vaccines. i trust scientists, but i don't trust donald trump. >> and the jarring disconnect between president trump and the medical experts over the pandemic is bound to cause a lot of unnecessary confusion. earlier i spoke about this with dr. carlos del rio of the emory

medical school here in atlanta. he said the president is just plain wrong. take a listen. >> first of all, i'm very happy that dr. red field spoke the truth. masks are like a vaccine. we have them right now and if we use them appropriately, if 95% or more of americans were using masks, we could stop this virus. in fact, once we have a vaccine we can use the masks for a while. dr. red field is right and president trump is wrong. >> right. dr. redfield said a limited supply of any approved vaccine would be available between november and december and that would need to be prioritized. he said the general public wouldn't get access to the vaccine until mid next year. mr. trump did not like that answer. again, he disputed his cdc director and said he got it wrong. what do you say to that? >> i say, again, dr. red field is absolutely right.

we are going to start -- if everything goes well by november, december, we will have vaccine. middle of nicks year to third quarter of next year for everyone to have a vaccine. the vaccine is not like a switch. not like you're going to turn the lights on and everything will be done. it will be more like opening a faucet slowly and with a drip. it will take a long time to get enough vaccine to people and that's why we need to start using a mask. again, dr. redfield is right and mr. trump is wrong. >> and the white house says that within 24 hours of any fda vaccine approval they will begin distributing doses. how possible is that? and will enough people trust this vaccine and take it? >> well, you know, the distribution of vaccines is very complicated and it's particularly complicated in a vaccine like this one because as far as i'm aware, all of the vaccines require a refrigerator, many require freezing.

you need to have enough freezer capability. many require two doses. not just getting one dose but a second dose. it's not an easy issue to roll out the vaccine. in addition you have the issue of trust, the issue of people willing to come in and get the vaccine. it's not going to be easy. i can guarantee you we'll struggle quite a bit to get this vaccine rolled out to people that use it the most. it's primarily minorities and people in the inner cities, it will be hard to get the vaccine to people who need it. it will take some time. >> well, you might remember the scenes of chaos back in june. officials scrambling to clear peaceful black lives matter protestors from a park near the white house. now we are learning federal officials asked about using a heat raid on the crowds and that is according to written testimony from an army national

major. a heat ray causes a burning sensation on the skin. one was not ultimately used, but as a cnn national security analyst, the very request was highly unusual. >> yes. it's called ads, the active denial system. it's a way of emitting sort of waves that essentially sort of burn your skin, right? so it sounds bad. it is bad. in fact, it's so bad that the military has never really truly adopted it. both for practical reasons, it doesn't always work but also basically for ethical reasons to be used against a crowd. what we know from the story, at least there's one email coming from the federal government, meaning the white house and dod essentially, to the d.c. local national guard. sort of a complicated governance system. asking if they had access to an ads system. the very request is outlandish

but shows you the mind space of a white house that was willing to do anything to clear that plaza. >> meantime, u.s. attorney general william barr is coming under fire for comments he made comparing coronavirus lockdowns to slavery. during a college event barr was asked about the constitutional hurdles involved in imposing measures to restrict the spread of the virus, and this is part of what he had to say. >> you know, putting a national lockdown stay at home orders is like house arrest. other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in history. >> and at the same event barr took aim at his own justice department employees. he slammed junior prosecutors working in his department and compared them to children. take a listen.

>> name one successful organization or institution where the lowest level employees decisions are deemed sacrosanct. they aren't. there aren't any. letting the most junior members set the agenda might be a good idea for a montessori preschool, but it is no way to run a federal agency. >> so let's bring in cnn legal analyst reva martin. good to have you with us. >> hi, rosemary. >> attorney general bill barr equating a nationwide coronavirus lockdown with slavery in this country. what's your reaction to that? >> it's a pretty outrageous statement and really shows the ignorance of this attorney general to even equate a health order, something designed to slow the spread of the coronavirus and to save tens of thousands of lives, to compare that to slavery is really an outrageous statement and it just

goes to show how far this attorney general and his office will go to support the policies of this president, even at the extent of offending, you know, millions of african-americans who are -- you know, who bear the legacy of slavery in this country. and it also shows his insensitivity about this moment that the country is in in terms of reckoning around systemic racism. so at a time when most of america is coming to the realization that systemic racism still plagues this country and trying to find ways to resolve those issues and to work towards anti-racism policies, he sets that movement and those discussions back by making this really gross comparison, a lockdown done to save lives with slavery, which we know took thousands of lives from african-americans.

really outrageous statement. >> and barr's comments about slavery came just minutes after he slammed hundreds of justice department prosecutors calling them preschoolers as he defended his politically charged decision making in the trump administration. what did you make of that? what's he trying to achieve by saying that? >> again, he has made his support of donald trump, he's made his efforts in terms of political patronage more important than a commitment to the rule of law by intervening in the roger stone case as it relates to the sentencing for roger stone, intervening in the michael flynn case, efforts to have that case dismissed even though flynn admitted to lying to the fbi and even going so far as to want to intervene in the civil defamation case of sexual assault of donald trump. he's acting like the personal lawyer for donald trump rather than the attorney for the united

states of america. and rather than upholding his commitment to the rule of law and to the constitution, again, inserting himself as if he's a political operative and really making the justice department, the united states justice department another branch of donald trump's campaign for re-election. >> yeah. i mean, as you've said, we've seen barr take a much more aggressive stance defending trump administration policies in recent weeks, criticizing state governors for their response to covid-19, undermining mail-in voting, attacking the muller investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. have you ever seen this level of political interference from a u.s. attorney general? >> absolutely not. there's absolutely no precedent for the kind of conduct that bill barr has engaged in. when you talk about being critical of governors, again, it's all very partisan, rosemary. he's not critical of governors in texas, governors in florida who are republican governors who have seen some of the highest

death rates as it relates to covid-19, it's all of his attacks are targeted at states where the governors are democratic. and we also have learned that he even has asked his justice department to look into possible criminal charges against the democratic mayor of seattle in terms of how she handles certain protests that woeent on in that city. it's attack democratic governors, attack democratic cities while at the same time offering support for, you know, red states and republican-run states. again, suggesting and acting as if the country is divided and he's only the attorney general for those states that support donald trump and the policies of donald trump rather than being the attorney general for all of the united states. >> ariva martin in los angeles, many thanks. >> thank you. historic and catastrophic flooding left behind by hurricane sally. the storm has now weakened but

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more than 530,000 people will be starting their day without electricity after the storm formally known as hurricane sally swept through. at this hour, sally once a category 2 hurricane, is a tropical depression moving farther inland across the state of georgia. the storm has left behind damaged homes, flooded streets and knocked down trees after making landfall wednesday near gulf shores, alabama. sally continues to drop heavy rain and with that comes the threat of flooding. high water already seen in alabama and in the florida panhandle. the fire chief in pensacola, florida, says the city saw four months of rain in just four hours. and cnn's gary tuchman was in pensacola beach when sally came ashore. he gives us a look now at the destruction it left behind.

>> reporter: here on this barrier island of pensacola beach, florida, hurricane sally brought hurricane force winds for much of wednesday morning. tropical storm force winds from tuesday night into wednesday afternoon, but the winds weren't the story of the hurricane. the winds were scary but it was the rain. torrential rain. 23 straight hours without letup. it caused immense flooding problems on pensacola beach, the alabama gulf coast. thousands of businesses and homes suffered flood damage. the bimany beach bar. the paris restaurant. flood damage. rescues were taking place today. emergency officials in alabama and florida rescuing people who were surrounded by water in their homes, sought shelter. about 400 rescues took place. i'll also tell you about an accident that happened. there is a bridge to get from here to pensacola beach, the city of pensacola which is much

bigger, you have to take a bridge called the three mile bridge. it was damaged by a barge that got loose, maybe two barges. one or two barges hit the bridge, caused damage. that bridge is closed. it could be closed for months. that is the only way to get there quickly to pensacola. it's now a much longer ride to get there. that gives you the idea of damage that can be caused by immense storm. there is concern there will be more flooding tomorrow, thursday. because of that concern there is a curfew in place from dusk to dawn for the next three days. gary tuchman, cnn, in pensacola beach, florida. and meteorologist pedram javaheri joins me now with the latest on sally. >> flooding concerns are going to continue because a lot of this water upstream is eventually going to want to drain back into the gulf of mexico. particular storm still a slow mover now across the state of

georgia. tropical depression sally, 35 mile per hour sustained winds only moving at 9 miles per hour. average tropical storm system moves at 25 to 28 miles an hour. the amount of rainfall translated well. up to 24 plus inches coming down in pensacola. other areas, 10, 15, 20 inches as well. power outages, exceeding 600,000 customers at this hour. the concern remains that it is peak tropical season. a couple areas of interest, one off the coast of africa with a 60% possibility. vying for the w and the final letter of the 21 storm names we have available for us, that will be wilfred. then there's also the secondary area of interest, high probability of formation in the next week in the gulf of mexico. this particular run here, the models really shows you what we have ahead of us. water temperatures into the lower 90s.

keep in mind the lower 80s are all you need to allow a storm to develop, tropical system. at this point, very early in the game so a lot of disparate between where the system will end up within the next few days. general consensus is at least going to make an initial trek towards the north. rosemary, you know where that ends up right along the coast of louisiana, alabama, mississippi. >> pedram javaheri joining us there. firefighters are making some progress in battling the huge wildfires in california and much of the western u.s. and scientists say vast amounts of smoke from these flames have now reached northern europe. the agency in charge of wildfire management says the number of active fires in the western u.s. has gone down from 87 to 79 and that california continues to have the most fires at 22. officials in oregon say at least eight people have been killed

and 12 are missing. cnn's martin savidge has an update. >> reporter: we're on the outskirts of lions, oregon, an hour south of portland, oregon. the beachy creek fire roared through a little over a week ago. this is just an example of some of what it did. you can tell that the fire that burned through here was fierce and just had incredible power. look at the trees, the way they didn't just burn, they exploded. then if you try to look at the house and get an idea what it looked like, there's really no way. there's just sort of the chimney sticking out of the ruins and everything else is completely gone. you can come on over in this direction and you can see the vehicles that were there. recognize those. otherwise, many people often say when they come back into a fire zone, they don't recognize their own home because everything has been consumed unlike a flood

once the waters recede, it pretty much looks the same. the fire didn't burn the same everywhere. here you can tell it crept along the ground by the sign not burned at the top. you can see that the fire burned at the base until it got so weak the sign just toppled on over. and that's another example of how these fires can burn so oddly. this is really an example of that. the house directly across the street, which looks perfect, right down to the manicured yard. so how do you explain it? you can't. the woman who lives here who i've talked to has extreme survivor's guilt. she was in tears when she was talking about how lucky she is and how she knows her neighbors have lost so much. there are 29 fires like this burning still in oregon. martin savidge, cnn, lions, oregon. one of the most revered and respected science publications

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well, after receiving a coronavirus briefing from health experts, democratic presidential nominee joe biden said when it comes to a potential vaccine, he trusts what scientists have to say, not president donald trump. biden's support for science hasn't gone unnoticed. for the first time in its 175

year history, scientific american is endorsing a presidential candidate. the magazine's editor in chief told cnn they felt it was their responsibility to make the endorsement. >> we took the decision very seriously. you don't break 175 year tradition without a really good cause, but when we went around to the editorial staff it was unanimous. it wasn't that long a discussion. we all agreed that, you know, all the evidence shows that trump has just been catastrophic for science and public health and the environment and joe biden has really smart policies that should make the world better. so we felt like it was our duty to speak up. >> and one woman whose father died from the coronavirus has harshly criticized president trump for his handling of the pandemic. here's what she said at the democratic national convention last month. >> donald trump may not have caused the coronavirus, but his dishonesty and irresponsible

actions made it so much worse. we need a leader who has a national coordinated data driven response to stop this pandemic from claiming more lives and to safely reopen the country. >> so let's talk now with kristin urquiza. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you wrote an empassioned obituary for your father. you said his only pre-existing condition was trusting donald trump and for that he paid with his life. when you heard what he said tuesday night denying he downplayed covid-19 and underplaying the wearing of masks, what did you think? >> i mean, what we saw again from the president was a commitment to not actually tackling this pandemic head on. quite frankly, he delivered monologs of incoherent word solid which makes me question

even if he is mentally fit to do the job. he questioned joe biden's ability about mandating a mask ordinance, but that's actually his job as president to do. i have no confidence in president trump's ability to protect humans in the face of this pandemic. >> and, kristin, when you hear president trump's attitude towards people of color, who we know are at higher risk, what's your reaction to that? >> that is infuriating. my dad was mexican-american. we know that this pandemic is disproportionately impacting our community, and we're also aware of folks that have been on the front lines of keeping the skeleton economy going, ensuring that we're in the field picking vegetables in the grocery stores. we've been disrespected time and again by this administration and it makes me so angry.

>> and, kristin, let's just listen to what donald trump's democratic rival joe biden had to say about covid-19 and vaccines on wednesday. >> i'd make the case why it's necessary. i'd have the scientists array to lay out the detail why and i'd go to every governor, republican and democratic governors, and i'd say, we have to have this national mandate. we must do it. at a minimum what i would do, i wouldn't walk around saying masks don't matter. >> so there he's talking about a mask mandate. he also talked at that same address about vaccines and being led by scientists. so, kristin, what is your reaction when you hear joe biden talk about how he would deal with this pandemic? >> what we're seeing from joe biden is a commitment to a coordinated data-driven national

response. we know that if we instituted a mask mandate we would save at least 100,000 lives between now and the end of the year. and what donald trump is doing instead is putting politics over science. he has done this so much that scientific american magazine has endorsed joe biden the first time ever in history. when i hear joe biden talking about the careful process that we need to go through to ensure that the vaccine is safe for people to take, i know that is the scientific method and we need to ensure that these vaccines are safe and not having the snake oil thrown at us on election day as a political stunt. >> kristin, how are you and your family doing and what do you think when you hear the audio of president trump admitting to

downplaying the virus and other revelations related to bob woodward's book? >> it's been a hard week for me and my family, the 600,000 people who have contracted the coronavirus and the 200,000 people who have lost their lives. it is a stab in the back that the president chose to lie and abdicate his central duty, which is to keep americans safe. >> kristin urquiza, thank you so much for talking to us. i wish you and your family the very best through this incredibly difficult time. thank you. >> thank you. well, venezuela is reporting just over 63,000 coronavirus infections, some of the lowest case numbers in latin america. president nicolas maduro says that's because the country is handling the pandemic better than its neighbors. medical workers speaking with cnn have a different

explanation, and those with suspected infections are telling horrific stories about how they're being treated. we have the story from london. she joins us live. good to see you, isa. the government is saying one thing while venezuelans are saying something different. >> reporter: good morning, rosemary. when the numbers started coming out -- the official government numbers started coming out of venezuela, many had raised eyebrows. they simply do not match what we're seeing throughout the continent, throughout south america. that really propelled me to try to find out what was happening on the ground. why venezuela wasn't following that trend that we were seeing in the continent, and i for months have been speaking to doctors, have been speaking to nurses and they are telling me the picture that they are seeing on the ground is far from the picture that nicolas maduro is painting. in fact, it's far, far worse.

in the once oil rich city in venezuela, covid-19 comes hand in hand with fear and repression. this mother of three knows the score too well. so much so, she's still shaken by her experience. like others in the story, she spoke to me on the condition of anonymity on the fear of government reprisals. she was guaranteed against her will after she lost her father to suspected covid-19 and a rapid antibody test came back inconclusive. she said inside there was little food or water and personal hygiene, a luxury.

away from family and unable to leave her room, she said she was held for 23 days despite never testing positive for the virus. doctors tell us this motel is one of many being used by the venezuelan government to house suspected covid patients. in a bid to keep them off venezuela's crumbling hospitals where the situation is similarly desperate. the main hospital here, one doctor tells me, has only 9 icu beds, 6 hours of water a day, intermittent power and one x-ray machine that hasn't worked with for months. details they're not comfortable sharing because of a climate of fear. in this hospital shared on social media, patients protest the shortage of medical staff. asking for help. patients say this man was left

dead, abandoned in his bed for days. to date, venezuela has reported some of the lowest covid-19 numbers in the region, but with testing limited to a small number of government-controlled labs, patients may wait up to 70 days to learn their results. doctors and ngos tell us many cases go unreported and some die without even knowing if they had covid. doctors have been calling for increased testing. the academy of mathematical sciences is reporting a peak of up to 14,000 daily cases. a report was met with physical violence by a government official on tv. they're not just empty threats. doctors on the ground tell me authorities here have arrested

health care workers who speak out publicly. they say it's the government's way of maintaining control over the political narrative. is there pressure also in doctors not to write down who has contracted covid, who has died from covid? so while doctors work under the government radar and patients stay away from the streets, embattled president nicolas maduro tightens his grip on power under the guise of covid-19. now, rosemary, cnn gave the venezuelan government multiple opportunities to respond, not just to the accusations but also to the criticism of the conditions we saw in the motels and hospitals and thus far we have received no response. rosema rosemary? south africa will reopen its

borders for tourism and business at the beginning of october. the south african president says the reopening will be gradual now that infections have gone down, and starting this sunday restrictions will be eased on public gatherings, the nightly curfew and retail alcohol sales. cnn's david mckenzie is in johannesburg. he joins us live. good to see you, david. we have seen other countries open early and see infections surge. how much concern is there that this could very well happen in south africa? >> reporter: rosemary, it is a significant concern from health officials and the president who announced those significant relaxations of covid restrictions. they do worry that there could be another surge of this virus, but it seems they feel comfortable to try and attempt this. also, the economic pressure to open up the borders, to bring tourists and businesses back into the country is very strong at this point.

south africa took a massive hit to its gdp. more than 50% down in the second quarter during the harshest lockdowns. you might remember, rosemary, that south africa really started closing its international borders back in mid march before there were around 100 confirmed cases. we saw in this country a peak of cases several weeks ago. up to 15,000 confirmed cases a day. that's now down to less than 2,000 and less. so really the feeling from health officials here, doctors i've spoken to, is that the public health system weathered the storm. those numbers in hospitals right now are relatively low. they're even closed quarantine facilities and some of those surge field hospitals. so there's a sense that the worst is over at this point. but when people come into this country, they'll have to get a covid-19 test to prove that they had it within 72 hours of

departure. they haven't announced the specific countries that are allowed to come in, but they've hinted that places with surging infections may not be on that list. with all these relaxations there is at least a hope that south africa is getting back to some kind of normal. >> all right. we'll keep a very close eye on that. david mckenzie joining us live from johannesburg. many thanks. you're watching cnn. we'reback in just a moment. a lotta folks are asking me lately how to get their dishes as clean as possible. i tell them, you should try cascade platinum plus the power of oxi.

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a new and curious development to report in the poisoning of russian disso he de -- dissident alexey navalny. his team says lab tests in germany found traces of the nerve agent novichok on a water bottle taken from his hotel room. matthew chance joins us live from moscow. matthew, what more are you able to tell us about this new

development? >> reporter: well, i mean, it's an interesting development because it's the first real indication we've had for some time about the means by which alexey navalny, russia's most vocal opposition figure, was apparently poisoned when he was on that tour of siberia last month. posting on social media, it was a water bottle inside his hotel room inside tonsk that is believed the novichok was found. some video, actually, that the tonsk team of alexey navalny on the ground took shortly after they got it confirmed that he had been poisoned, they went to the hotel room in that city. they recorded everything on video that they saw. they even took pictures of the water bottles that had been left

empty after he had drunk the contents on the desk inside the hotel room. that's really interesting video testimony, if you like, about the circumstances that may have led to the poisoning of alexey navalny. we've all seen the images of navalny writhing in agony aboard the aircraft that was carrying him from the city of tonsk and going to the other siberian city, compelling, awful images, frankly. there was another photograph as well before he got on the plane sipping a cup of tea in the airport cafe. the speculation was that was the point at which he may have ingested some kind of poison, but from what we now know from the navalny team, it was in fact some hours before that in the hotel room in tonsk that he may have actually ingested that

novichok that the german laboratory and other laboratories say was the reason for the sickness. >> matthew chance, many thanks. u.s. federal reserve says the economy is going to need more help. what the central bank is doing while congress remains stalled. back with that in a moment. but others smell this...nd ) (upbeat music) that's why febreze plug has two alternating scents and eliminate odors for 1200 hours. ♪breathe happy febreze... ♪la la la la la.

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today! good news for borrowers. not for savers. it's planning to keep interest rates near zero potentially for years to come to help the u.s. economy recover for the covid crisis. cnn's john defterios with us to explain the situation and what it might mean for investors. this was a clear signal from the federal board chairman. rates stay down for longer, but wall street and overseas markets were not impressed. why is that? >> reporter: well, you know what, there's no simple remedy, that's the reality, rosemary, because we're in the slog here of the second wave. that's why jerome powell signaled more is needed. they're down across the board

down to 1.3%. that matches the losses we saw in asia and currently underway in europe at the same time. jay powell was very clear with his messaging as i was suggesting here. the recession may not be as bad as we expected, negative 4% instead of negative 6.5%. that's predicated on the troika moving and finding common ground on the package. donald trump is even suggesting to the republicans in the senate, don't be so stubborn here. we need to get a deal done and there's a gap between $1.5 trillion and $2.3 trillion in the house. resistance from republicans to provide support to states and cities who are under funded right now. they don't think it's the role of the federal government. we're going to get a snapshot here on the jobless benefits again. this is why jerome powell was worried. 850,000 is the number that's expected in less than 4 hours with constant claims at 13 million. this is something we've never seen in our history.

so improvement. interest rates stay low, but we need more stimulus and, rosemary, that translates into a lot more debt for the next generation. >> all right. it does. john defterios joining us live from abu dhabi, many thanks. just this quick programming note, be sure to catch cnn's town hall with democratic presidential nominee joe biden moderated by anderson cooper, 8 p.m. eastern, 1 a.m. in london, 8 a.m. in hong kong only here on cnn. and thanks so much for your company. i'm rosemary church. "early start" is up next. you're watching cnn. have yourselves a great day.

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late second quarter, third quarter 2021. >> i think he got the message maybe confused. >> the president publicly contradicting his own cdc chief once again creating uncertainty rather than stability. >> and the attorney general with some inflammatory remarks about the pandemic, slavery, and his own prosecutors across the country. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world, this is "early start," i'm laura jarrett. >> good morning. i'm christine romans. 5 a.m. in new york. 47 days to the election if